Utopia Talk / Politics / North Korea thread #2

Aeros Member	Mon Apr 17 22:33:47 Apparently the US is deploying 2 more carriers. The USS Ronald Reagan, and the USS Nimitz. If true, that is your standard US Battle Fleet for when we intend to fuck shit up. No idea yet if Trump is just posturing or is serious.
murder Member	Mon Apr 17 22:42:48 And I'm still waiting. Pretty soon he's going to have to do "something" just to preserve some credibility.
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 18 01:25:33 Yep
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 18 02:29:27 Three carriers will constitute the bulk of the Pacific fleet. Some trivia, the U.S. has not deployed 3 carriers to the same area since world war 2. Standard operating procedure is two carriers for a shitstorm. Not three. South Korean media is reporting that the fleet will be in position next week.
murder Member	Tue Apr 18 07:03:17 Where they are is irrelevant. That's way too much firepower for a limited strike, and not nearly enough for a full on war. I imagine if Kim Jong-Fool keeps acting up, pretty soon we'll have 20 carriers around Korea ... trying to look menacing.
jergul large member	Tue Apr 18 09:42:27 I wonder if the wargame "NK uses a nuclear device for battlefield demolition to clear a path through the DMZ to Seoul" has suddenly surfaced in the decisionmaking. The VP is pussyfooting on BBC.
murder Member	Tue Apr 18 09:49:02 "NK uses a nuclear device for battlefield demolition to clear a path through the DMZ to Seoul" What the hell would be the point of that? Anyone making it across would get torn to shreds, and the North would get irradiated.
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Apr 18 10:03:24 For all the noise about the 2nd and 3rd carrier group, the first one is still thousands of miles away http://www...witter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 18 10:50:44 Ya, the other 2 reports are from some questionable news sources. If 3 carriers deploy together its huge news... the final step before war... but thats a big if.
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 18 12:04:26 "Some trivia, the U.S. has not deployed 3 carriers to the same area since world war 2. Standard operating procedure is two carriers for a shitstorm. Not three." But you just said: "that is your standard US Battle Fleet for when we intend to fuck shit up"
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 18 13:09:40 two carriers are standard. three is a major war.
Seb Member	Tue Apr 18 13:13:25 I thought US doctrine was two up front one in the rear.
Seb Member	Tue Apr 18 13:15:42 Pretty sure there were loads involved in the Gulf War.
Seb Member	Tue Apr 18 13:16:51 Yeah, six carrier groups involved in the air campaign desert storm.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 18 13:56:04 4 were at gulf war 2.
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 18 14:07:55 I didn't think we could have 4 in the Persian gulf. Wasn't it like two foreword deployed and another two out in the Arabian sea in case the first two got taken out?
jergul large member	Tue Apr 18 14:35:01 murder Nuclear demolition wargame the way to Gagnam nuclear style. 50 km. I don't think a realistic wargame scenario would have the reds overly concerned about the long term effects of radiation on future veteran mortality.
jergul large member	Tue Apr 18 14:38:05 Aeros lulz@in case first two got taken out. 1 in the med. 1 in the Arab. 2 in the Persian. Logistical reasons. I actually thought it was 5. But will take sammy's word for it.
Paramount Member	Tue Apr 18 14:52:29 "another two out in the Arabian sea in case the first two got taken out?" Yup. In case they were destroyed by a scud missile.
murder Member	Tue Apr 18 15:26:05 "For all the noise about the 2nd and 3rd carrier group, the first one is still thousands of miles away" lmfao! :o)
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 18 15:37:23 I remember 4 fleet carriers. Could have been 5, especially if you count marine amphibs as light carriers. I dont know where all 4 were located... point is they within fighting distance of iraq. Iraq didnt much in terms of anti ship ability, so theres no reason to be particularly careful about where they were once you get over the horizon.
LazyCommunist Member	Tue Apr 18 15:37:54 Trump pussies out, communism total victory! http://www...ry.html?utm_term=.619e6d1ef740 A photograph released by the Navy showed the aircraft carrier sailing through the calm waters of Sunda Strait between the Indonesian islands of Sumatra and Java on Saturday, April 15. By later in the day, it was in the Indian Ocean, according to Navy photographs. In other words, on the same day that the world nervously watched North Korea stage a massive military parade to celebrate the birthday of the nation’s founder, Kim Il Sung, and the press speculated about a preemptive U.S. strike, the U.S. Navy put the Carl Vinson, together with its escort of two guided-missile destroyers and a cruiser, more than 3,000 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula — and more than 500 miles southeast of Singapore. Instead of steaming toward the Korea Peninsula, the carrier strike group was actually headed in the opposite direction to take part in “scheduled exercises with Australian forces in the Indian Ocean,” according to Defense News, which first reported the story.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 18 15:39:17 But 3 off korea would be a massing the likes of which we have not seen since the iraq invasion. Carriers only mass together for one reason.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 18 15:40:23 Of course, now we hear that even 1 might not be there.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 18 15:41:09 The nomal japan carrier is actually probably there.
murder Member	Tue Apr 18 16:05:34 Trump making all kinds of noise, and then he's like "wait, you thought I was going to do something?" They're blaming it on "miscommunication" ... or in other words "we're pathological liars".
Aeros Member	Tue Apr 18 22:13:48 Its pretty pathetic. How do you misplace an aircraft carrier. I can see exactly how this happened. Trump made noise, and white house officials talked about sending the Vinson to Korea. But nobody could be arsed to use the evil federal beurocracy to issue official orders to the carriers commanding officer. Or to line up the resupply necessary for the movement. So the Vinson just went about its business awaiting the orders.
jergul large member	Wed Apr 19 03:32:50 Aeros Chain of Command. Not nobody. Trump. And he just has to order the CV to wherever. The rest sorts itself at lower levels of command. How personally embarrassing for you.
zavyx Member	Wed Apr 19 04:15:21 Its so blaringly obvious, that the best time to strike at these worthless gooks, is when they're on parade - with all the military marching down the street, and all the generals standing at the side of the road inspecting and saluting the marching soldiers, followed by trucks carrying missiles - its so much easier to kill them all when they are all in one place. If all those bombs are real, it will double the bang, but Russians used polystyrene replicas for their parades.
zavyx Member	Wed Apr 19 06:54:02 the clock is ticking mother fuckers - do you want to leave this crap as left-overs for the next generation? they're all pussies addicted to their fucking iPhones and nintendoes - KimJongIll will have a grandson who sets off nukes all over the planet, because no one has the balls to finish this here and now, right now; the next generation will be left wondering why their grandparents did fuck all to prevent it. This fucking gook maggot is a bigger threat to civilisation than hittler or the jews ever were. If america is going to stand up and be 'great again' its time to sort this issue once and for all. take out those fucking worthless communist gooks. SHOCK AND AWE - one fly over, every bomber and fighter armed to the teeth. The entire stockpile of MOABS & FOABS and turn that shithole into a dustbowl.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 19 08:19:46 Lols Duped by Trump’: U.S. Taunted Over Carl Vinson Aircraft Carrier Tale Criticism rises after the U.S. Navy says it hadn’t sent the USS Carl Vinson directly to North Korea after all By Chun Han Wong in Beijing, Jonathan Cheng in Seoul and Alastair Gale aboard the USS Ronald Reagan Updated April 19, 2017 3:08 a.m. ET 72 COMMENTS The revelation that the Pentagon didn’t send the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier, as U.S. officials had said, directly toward North Korea as a stern message to Pyongyang over its nuclear and missile programs sparked ridicule in some corners of Asia and wariness in others. In North Korea, the U.S. Navy’s admission that the Carl Vinson was actually thousands of miles away on exercises off Australia’s coast and won’t arrive to the Korean Peninsula until next week prompted the state-run news service to say Washington “now bluffs that it was a ‘warning’ act” against the country. In South Korea, Hong Joon-pyo, the presidential candidate from former​ leader Park Geun-hye’s ruling party, said it was inappropriate to judge before receiving final confirmation of the Carl Vinson’s whereabouts. But, in an interview, he said: “What Mr. Trump said was very important for the national security of South Korea. If that was a lie, then during Trump’s term, South Korea will not trust whatever Trump says.”​ Cont http://www...icits-jeers-in-asia-1492577625
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 19 08:22:28 The chicoms are laughing at this cuckshow ----same WSJ article "In China, the false Carl Vinson narrative prompted some jibes on social and news media. Some were directed at foreign media and others at the Trump administration’s attempt to block Pyongyang from developing the capability of launching a nuclear-armed missile to the U.S. mainland. “If the U.S. announcement on the Carl Vinson’s deployment to the Korean Peninsula is merely bluster and verbal games, then Trump’s approach to North Korea would fade into an Obama rerun,” a user named Wang Yingrun wrote on his verified Weibo microblog. Without the resolve to use military strength, he wrote, “Fatty the Third”—a Chinese nickname for North Korean leader Kim Jong Un—“will never return to dialogue.” Chinese news portal Guancha.cn declared: “Media around the entire world have been duped by Trump again!” The Global Times, a nationalistic tabloid, took that observation a step further, saying American, South Korean and Japanese media had committed a “major screw-up.” Ni Lexiong, a Shanghai-based commentator on military affairs, said Mr. Trump appeared to use claims of the Carl Vinson’s deployment as a feint in trying to dissuade North Korea from conducting a nuclear test. “Trump and the media jointly performed a modern-day ‘Empty Fort Strategy,’” Mr. Ni wrote on his Weibo microblog, referring to a reverse-psychology ploy described in the ancient Chinese military treatise, “Thirty-Six Stratagems.” A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman declined to comment on the Carl Vinson, only saying that Beijing is in close contact with the U.S. and that all sides should de-escalate tensions. “We don’t want to see any conflict,” he said. In Japan, Prof. Narushige Michishita of the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies said regardless of whether the U.S. intended to deceive or the narrative was a miscommunication, it looked bad for the White House. “At a time of emergency, disinformation could be used as a tactic, but if the U.S. president spreads disinformation in peacetime like now, it would hurt the credibility of the U.S.,” he said."
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed Apr 19 08:51:53 US ‘Surprised’ by Volleyball Game at North Korea Nuclear Site Speculation That Game Could Be Intended to Confuse Americans http://new...e-at-north-korea-nuclear-site/
zavyx Member	Wed Apr 19 09:49:39 we're all going to die tomorrow - lets go play some volley ball, afterall that's what Maverick and Goose did in 'TopGun'
zavyx Member	Wed Apr 19 09:59:32 kill kill kill!!!
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Apr 19 21:42:42 Donald's plan to force China to be harder on NK, in exchange for breaking his campaign promise to name China a currency manipulator, was very good. China is indeed took a harder line than they usually do in UN, on Notth Korea. Of course the outcome was the same ----- "UNITED NATIONS -- Russia objected to a Security Council statement proposed by the U.S. on Wednesday that would have condemned North Korea’s missile tests, despite China’s support of the measure, CBS News’ Pamela Falk reports. A Security Council diplomat familiar with the negotiations confirmed that the draft press statement was approved by China, the North’s closest ally, as well as the other permanent members of the Security Council. Russia was the lone dissenter." http://www...korea-despite-chinese-support/
jergul large member	Thu Apr 20 06:18:27 Which is prolly part of what this is about. Russia is pivoting to the east. It forgave Nork debt in 2014 and is making it regular client state moves. Also, Russia dissenting for China certainly takes the pressure off of China. In sum. Everyone thinks the US is run by a child.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Apr 20 09:15:18 You really need to be a top notch leader to piss off an ally of SK caliber so badly ---- "Compounding their anger over the Carl Vinson episode, many South Koreans were also riled at Mr. Trump for his assertion in a Wall Street Journal interview last week that the Korean Peninsula “used to be a part of China.” Although Korea was often invaded by China and forced to pay tributes to its giant neighbor, many Koreans say the notion that they were once Chinese subjects is egregiously insulting. “The 50 million South Koreans, as well as many common-sensical people around the world, cannot help but feel embarrassed and shocked,” said Youn Kwan-suk, spokesman of the main opposition Democratic Party, which is leading in voter surveys before the May 9 presidential election." http://mob...eferer=https://t.co/MXJLTfiaii
The Children Member	Thu Apr 20 09:19:50 whats wrong with the truth. why they feel insulted like as if they so much bettar or something. they were tiny vassals then. just one of many. they r still vassals 2day, just 2 another country. they aint no big boy.
The Children Member	Thu Apr 20 09:21:45 insulted? there country is split in half at the will of supapowers, what the fuck they on about. planet earth says hello, u there or still dreamin in fantasyland?
The Children Member	Thu Apr 20 09:33:45 are there egos that big that they feel insulted... they shuld be proud 2 be named as part of ancient china. proud! whats wrong with them. insulted, what the fuck they eat dogs and live squid and they wanna tell me they r insulted.
CrownRoyal Member	Sun Apr 23 07:29:52 "There has been much discussion in Washington about Pence’s short visit to the demilitarized zone, where he stood outside the Freedom House on the South Korean side of the border and stared into North Korea. Pence wasn’t supposed to walk outside, according to the schedule, but he decided in the moment he wanted to send a message directly to the North Koreans. “I thought it was important that we went outside,” he said. “I thought it was important that people on the other side of the DMZ see our resolve in my face.” hard to that believe fat little Kim hasn't surrendered yet, after seeing Pence resolved face http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C90x6KiXUAQNyX6.jpg
The Children Member	Sun Apr 23 07:52:52 i betcha he looked in2 nkorea and realized nobody even knew he was there.
murder Member	Sun Apr 23 13:29:13 “I thought it was important that people on the other side of the DMZ see our resolve in my face.” This administration says such stupid things.
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