Utopia Talk / Politics / UK-stylefar right assassination finland?

williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 11:05:02 2 journalists and social democrat mayor shot as they exit restaurant, local 23 year old lays down gun and awaits police; "PC-Assassination"? Smells political UUTISET NEWS News 4.12.2016 10:21 | updated 4.12.2016 16:19 Three dead in Imatra shooting A deadly shooting has occurred in the city of Imatra in South-East Finland. Police say that three women are confirmed dead from gunshot wounds from a rifle. A local man has been apprehended. http://yle...ead_in_imatra_shooting/9333761
Paramount Member	Sun Dec 04 11:19:03 Why is it always leftist politicians who are being murdered and slaughtered. For an example, Olof Palme, Anna Lindh, Utøya, Jo Cox, etc and so on. The left needs to retaliate.
Seb Member	Sun Dec 04 11:25:16 Er, plenty of centre right politicians have been assassinated. Look at the IRA for example. I think the better question is "Are there any liberal assassins?"
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 04 11:26:53 Liberals are more likely to be mass murderers than assassins. That's a matter of purpose. There are exceptions, of course. re: Lee Harvey Oswald
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Dec 04 11:36:24 The left assassinates the public by holding office.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 11:43:10 Certainly the left has its assassinations too, but not in our era - today belongs to the right and far right who are massively stronger and massively more angry than the left and far left
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 11:46:52 Only the center right wing liberals are as powerful as them, and not half as angry or activist. Thank god none of these parties have managed to do what Hitler did: actually also have a couple of good ideas like autobahn, volksvagn etc. The minute one of our current far right parties actually manages to think of a good idea that most of the population can get on board with, that country will fold. So far, they all seem too dumb for that, lets hope Trump isnt the first one.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 11:47:18 Only the center to right wing liberals
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 04 11:55:59 the far left is just as angry. they are just pussies.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:02:13 I think everyone agrees that this far right movement is largely being fueled by "angry white men" - this is one reason theyve gained so much traction: theyre much more activist because they are, as everyone agrees, the angry segment.
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 04 12:05:58 "they are, as everyone agrees, the angry segment." Black males aren't angry? Middle Eastern males aren't angry? Laughable. Again, the question is a matter of focus.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:07:15 "Black males aren't angry?" No where near as powerful, as you know, as the international far right wave. But certainly they exist. " Middle Eastern males aren't angry? " No where near as powerful, as you know, in the West, as the international far right wave. But certainly they exist.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 12:07:34 Men are not as big a pussies as women, generally. Sams theory makes perfect sense!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 12:17:37 The degree of power is rooted in resources, not in how angry they are. Violence and political violence are widespread in the black community and the ME.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:19:07 Its ridiculous to argue that a minority can wield the same level of oporession against a hegemony and the state as vice versa, goes against all pol sci.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:20:20 The alt right with Trump at the top is infinitely more powerful than the black panthers. The end.
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 04 12:21:39 It's ridiculous to argue that a "racial hegemony" is relevant in a discussion of individual violence.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:22:48 Its not worth the time debating such naivity that these acts are merely individual acts. Sorry.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 12:24:46 minorities exist within minorities so you can view it as such and study it in relation to whatever minorities exist in those groups.
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 04 12:25:35 If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, is it still the white man's fault?
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 04 12:29:06 Power is not the same as anger. Wtb is confused again, and tries to change the subject the moment when he sees his narrative slipping away.
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 04 12:32:22 All groups have violence, and power may be an impetus worthy of discussion, but when discussing the targets of that violence, as we were, "fukken white males" is not a worthy contribution.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:34:54 The alt right as it is sometimes called is, of course, international and largely driven by dissaffected western whites. Everyone knows this, not worth debating.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:36:07 And they are having a comically far more significant impact on the world than the black panthers who some would laughably try to equate with them.
pillz Member	Sun Dec 04 12:36:22 "" Middle Eastern males aren't angry? " No where near as powerful, as you know, in the West, as the international far right wave. But certainly they exist. Nimatzo iChihuaha Sun Dec 04 12:07:34" &&& "Its not worth the time debating such naivity that these acts are merely individual acts. Sorry. " 10/10 golden great work wtb Spend all year telling us muslim attacks are all individual, aint got nothing to do with islam. Then on the first politically motivated attack by a white man all year, flipflop like Hillary Clinton and announce it's 'naive' to consider it individually. roflmao. Oh and the 300? people killed in France this year are excellent proof of your point that white males are so much bigger a threat.
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williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:42:55 ^its worth pointing that for all we know it could be. Looks political to me, though.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 12:43:26 >>And they are having a comically far more significant impact on the world than the black panthers who some would laughably try to equate with them.<< Most likely, but it has nothing to do with anger. We are dealing with different things here. Anger, power and how groups treat minorities within themselves.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:45:01 It certainly has to do with anger. I mean, its consensus for gods sake, its just not allowed to openly attribute the higher level of violence in their discourse that we openly saw in, f.ex., the differende between both the dem primaries and election race compared to the angry alt right and their electee.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:49:38 We saw the same mistake in the way the liberal media focused as much on hillary's lies as trumps, in the name of liberal fairness which was completely misguided since he was lying at a far greater rate. You dont spend as much time on 12% lies as you do on 50% lies if youre going to give a fair picture. The whole election from primaries to finish was a clear display of the difference in levels of anger and rhetoric. Its concensus even among liberals that this international wave is driven by anger and frustration and fear. It would be naive to ignore that this will likely be reflected in their rhetoric.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:50:05 and actions.
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 04 12:53:36 And this is reflected by the focus of anger. That angry white man "hegemony" realizes that the majority of post-WWII problems have been caused by government, and that's why their anger, both political and violent, is directed there. Black violence targets corner stores, and Arab violence targets comics.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:54:42 "That angry white man "hegemony" realizes that the majority of post-WWII problems have been caused by government, and that's why their anger, both political and violent, is directed there. " Im glad you agree. They of course have targeted something incredibly more powerful thqn liquor store robbers.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 12:55:08 * Im glad you agree that there is a white hegemony, which there is of course, in the West.
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 04 12:56:30 Nonsense, simply a demographic majority. White racial culture is much less cohesive than other national majorities. See: Asian, African, South American, Middle Eastern nations - virtually anywhere in the world, really.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 12:58:37 The part I quoted, where you say this thing has less of an impact than the other, how is that related to anger? If your pint is that angry powerful people can hurt you while angry powerless people can't, obviously there is no denying that.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 13:00:02 simply a demographic majority that just elected a representative of this ideology to the most powerful job in the world. Im not wasting any more time on what youre pretending you dont get.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 13:01:47 ...because I know you get that trump and the group he represents is infinitely more powerful than liqor stores robbers and the black panthers, which means youre not debating seriously.
Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 04 13:10:20 Barely. Is 47.xx% a hegemony now?
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 13:19:34 Im surprised that once again, much like darwins and dawkins robot vessels qoutes, youve never heard of such widespread theories of basically concensus value such as this: ""There is an animosity, a racism, an upheaval that has grown and developed within this last year... and the alt-right is capitalising on that anger." "They feel that white identity and white privilege is at risk,"" http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37899026
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 13:24:30 I remember when Swedens version of the BBC shut down their commentary functions because it had been ovverridden with racism, death threats, rape threats, the normal public discourse of our era and statistics later showed that a huge amount came from a small amount of very active far right activists. This anger and high level of activism was very important in making this movement strong and still is.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 13:51:28 "infinitely more powerful than liqor stores robbers and the black panthers" Indeed, we have agreed on this since the beginning, I am just saying that it has to do with the resources whites/Trump have accumulated, not how angry they are. Your point is that an angry powerful groups actions carry bigger consequences, which is an obvious fact. With all that said, none of this has any relevance to how justified any anger we are talking about is, which is really where the disagreements start. Any way you should be happy to know that the Swedish security apparatus views Islamic extremist as the nr 1 threat to society, it does not view far right movements as a threat to democracy. And he BBC links, proves that extremists when they vote, vote for their side of the political spectrum? I mean could a far right group ever vote for a left wing president?
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 13:56:50 Again, its not a controversial argument that this is largely driven by anger, nor that this was reflected recently in the level of discourse during the gop and alt right election campaign which was decidedly less civil, more violent, contained more lies than the dem side, nor that when they analyze offensive posts as SVT they find a small number of very active right wing trolls behind a significant amount of all offensive posts, nor that the entire liberal world is currently very worried not about a Ghandi-hippy wave sweeping the world but a far right wave, etc etc etc, no , this is not all coincidence
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:02:23 "its not a controversial argument that this is largely driven by anger" Not controversial in which circles? You are making a a quantifiable claim, but I have no idea in how you are measuring it. Largely driven, by anger. I am here to be convinced.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:05:54 In your circles just like mine. Not interested in games.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:07:27 I agree that this election in the USA was the most turbulent in recent memory, I have not seen any numbers to give a good overview of the violence and trouble, but I have seen it come from both sides.
Pillz Member	Sun Dec 04 14:08:19 "during the gop and alt right election campaign which was decidedly less civil, more violent," Large scale violence was always initiated by dems at trump events. And even at their own events. You can't have been paying any attention to the news this summer if you think the gop was the violent side. There were more violent BLM protests then there were assaults by trump supporters.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:08:53 Just like you pretended you'd never heard the darwin to dawkins robot vessel stuff, you are perfectly aware that its a very commonplace argument, not in the slightest controversial, that a far right wave is rumbling over the west and is largely being drvien by a white group that is angered at what it perceives an elite class that has let them donw etc etc etc. Youve heard all that a million times, and you máy not accept it, but you know its a valid, uncontroversial argument.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:15:56 "In your circles just like mine. Not interested in games." My circle have a more nuanced view on why people voted for Trump/Brexit/SD and so on. You want to tie this to white anger, then show me. There are polls out there that asks people why they vote the way they vote, hundreds of them. And since your claim is not controversial, it should be an easy task.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:17:21 I just did.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:18:03 You may deny it, very few serious analysis will deny it, if any - probably the most common analysis.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:19:07 But of course you'll deny it, I keep forgetting you're Hanif Bali who recently got shut off by the moderates for his internet raging.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:28:23 "Just like you pretended you'd never heard the darwin to dawkins robot vessel stuff" This only vaguely means anything to me, it sounds like a fraction of a thread where we disagreed on things, but now you are saying I am liar? Seems unfair and childish. "uncontroversial argument." Obviously not as uncontroversial as you thought?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:29:10 "williamthebastard Member Sun Dec 04 14:17:21 I just did." Sorry I must have missed it. Or are we talking about the BBC story?
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:31:02 How would you rate Gellert Tamas? Left wing?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:34:53 So no evidence? Ok, well I will be here when you find anything. Until then I will be skeptical to your claim, but will not dismiss it completely since I have not read all the polls and analysis out there.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:35:51 Dismiss whatever you want my friend, invent whatever you want. Meanwhile, how would you rate Gellert Tamas? Left wing?
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:39:54 Because he just wrote an award winning study, as you know, about the SweDems. He uses a stronger word than me in his book "The Swedish Hatred." He explains that he thought long and hard about that word hatred, but in the final analysis had to admit that that was the most honest description of what he found in the SweDems. Me, I'll stick the the more common and somewhat more benign terms "anger/fear etc"
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:40:25 I just said, that I will NOT dismiss your claim, it would stupid. I will remain skeptical, until such a date where I see convincing evidence for your claim. I actually have never heard the name before.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:41:29 He wrote Lasermannen etc. Very well known. Afaik not considered left, but I dont really keep up.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:41:40 "anger/fear etc" lol So it is more than anger, it now includes fear and etc. << how many more things are behind those 3 letters?
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:42:50 You should know about him, because a book signing was recently cancelled due to fears of far right wing terrorism.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:43:47 Xenophobic anger certainly generally is borne from among other things fear - the more frear the more violence, often. I wont let you try to dumb complex issues down to 1/0 logic.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:44:51 And his book is about hate. So now we are up 3 + etc. We are getting closer to my model of reality. It turns out that things are more complicated than "this is largely driven by anger".
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:46:18 No we're not, sadly, my friend. Your lofic is off. its significant. The causes of it are more complex.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:46:25 logic
McKobb Member	Sun Dec 04 14:47:35 The man was probably a muslim.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:48:03 Here, a review of gellert in liberal right wing svd http://www...edemokraterna/om/gellert-tamas
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:48:53 "You should know about him, because a book signing was recently cancelled due to fears of far right wing terrorism." You should now about SÄPO security assessments. "Xenophobic anger certainly generally is borne from among other things fear - the more frear the more violence, often. I wont let you try to dumb complex issues down to 1/0 logic." 1/0 logic (which I have not argued) is 100% more diverse than "this is largely driven by anger". Anyway, we are in agreement finally, this is driven by many different things, the reality is more nuanced, as usual.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:50:56 Well, Im glad we're in agreement that this is significantly fueled and driven by an angy activism that taps into fears and anger in a class that feels "the elite" has forgotten it, and that the causes of this are a complex affair.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:51:22 ""You should know about him, because a book signing was recently cancelled due to fears of far right wing terrorism." You should now about SÄPO security assessments. " i dont understand?
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 14:53:26 You see, in places like f.ex the topic of this thread, the level of refugees in their country (this particular town has 0% foreigners ccording to its statistics) compared ot f.ex. places with actual refugee problems like Jordan is a complete and fucking joke. To connect the xenophobia in Finland to actual threats to society posed by immigration is a joke, it has no reasonable defence.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 14:58:40 "that the causes of this are a complex affair." I will settle with that :) SÄPO security assessments have over the past years. Nr 1 threat to social order and democracy has been "far left groups" but recently Islamic extremism has taken that spot. Far right groups are not viewed as a threat to society or democracy. Doesn't mean it will always stay like this, just that right now in the here and now, the people who are paid to worry about national security threats, this is there view.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 15:00:56 "To connect the xenophobia in Finland to actual threats to society posed by immigration is a joke, it has no reasonable defence." This sounds a lot like something I have never claimed. Which begs the question, WTF?
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:02:04 What did that have to do with the irony of gellert recently cancelling an appearance due to far right terrorism? Säpo largely is interested in the fact that the far right groups aren't aimed at "Swedes", and they show what seems to be a natural biasness in not viewing f.ex. arson against buildings with sleeping families as terrorism. You know as well as I that there is always a risk of right wing authoritarianism state violence authorities, just as there was well documented hatred among the same group for Palme.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 15:02:25 Sorry nvm the OP :)
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:02:38 * that there is always a risk of right wing authoritarianism in state violence authorities,
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:03:33 Anyway, you wanted a source, I referred you to a respected author who goes further and calls it hatred.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:05:46 "To connect the xenophobia in Finland to actual threats to society posed by immigration is a joke, it has no reasonable defence." it meansits coming from somehwere else other than physical reality. Its coming from the Internet. The usual -angry - sources on the Internet. Which is happening all over the west.
McKobb Member	Sun Dec 04 15:06:44 Muslims hate westeners. Muslims hate women. Muslims hate journalists. It had to be a Muslim!
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:07:20 You might have noticed a small event recently in which social media have been blamed by everyone for disseminating false articles, and that this was largely spread among the right. Go read some of those articles. The rhetoric is not peaceful.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 15:09:16 "What did that have to do with the irony of gellert recently cancelling an appearance due to far right terrorism?" There was actual terrorism? Or did some make a bomb threat? Because these are different things. >>Säpo largely is interested in the fact that the far right groups aren't aimed at "Swedes"<< Threat to democracy, not Swedes, but the order in the country. "f.ex. arson against buildings with sleeping families as terrorism" Because even I understand that the burning of a refugee centers is generally NIMBY in action and not aimed at bringing down civil society, unlike say Jihadism.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 15:11:54 "disseminating false articles, and that this was largely spread among the right." Is there any evidence that the spreading of fake information on social media, is largely a right wing phenomena?
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:12:14 Society has been freaking out about burning empty cars at ten times the rate than burning homes with sleeping families. I have no idea what nimby is. I think youre totally wrong and that all serious analysts - because hanif ali is an idiot, not a serious analyst -agree that white disaffection - a word I also used earlier - is a very large factor in the current far right wave, that really, actually does exist, you know. Lets leave it at that.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:13:54 You wanted a source. That requirement is supposed to be used to go study up and verify the point, not just a knee reflex method of trying to catch people up. So go read it.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 15:25:51 nimby = not in my back yard. People associate problem/nuances with something and in this case burn the problem down. The goal is different than wanting to wreck havoc on society and bring about a new order. "white disaffection" So disaffection could take more forms, an obvious one would be disappointment with, let's call it "the establishment". We can add that to our growing list of reasons and another one that doesn't sound sinister and meant to induce fear in our electorate, like say "angry white powerful men".
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:27:48 "ecause even I understand that the burning of a refugee centers is generally NIMBY in action and not aimed at bringing down civil society, unlike say Jihadism." But that would be terrifying and dfinitely branded as terrorism if this was regularly being done to ethnic swedes by muslim gangs.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:30:53 Jihadism cant bring down western society at all. Far right idiocy can easily take over control of society and bring it down.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:36:28 Oh, he even calls it a "besinningslöst hat" lol "Först tyckte jag att ”hat” var ett för starkt ord, men det är precis vad det handlar om. – Ju mer jag har jobbat med det här och sett de rasistiska sajterna och bloggarna inser jag att det är ett besinningslöst hat det handlar om, säger Gellert Tamas." http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article23507609.ab
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:52:53 Here's swedens most respected center right newspaper raving over how good the report is on the "boundless hatred" behind the rise of the SweDems. Interestingly, the book also notes the international internet propaganda link to the same international sources and well known hate mongers that I mention: http://www.dn.se/dnbok/bokrecensioner/hatets-svenska-botten/
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 15:53:13 "not just a knee reflex method of trying to catch people up." I have no idea how I am coming off to you, but I am not trying to catch you up. You are making claims that we can actually measure and they are not rocket science to measure. This is not a matter of opinion (it shouldn't be), either you are correct or you are not. I am interested in a complete picture and if you or anyone else can help me gain that, I am game. So far we have a book, that presumably analysis data. I will be honest with you, I can't imagine reading an entire book, just so that we can have this discussion, it seems unreasonable. I did not ask you to read up on Industrial engineering so that we may have a discussion in the other thread, I tried to explain it to you, it was not a very difficult task because I have an expertise in that field and I had done it numerous times in my professional life as an educator in different circumstances, and some of them were of highly questionable intellectual capacity, which I do not think you are. I am just slightly surprised that whenever we discuss something that you seem to think you are an expert in or have knowledge about, you lose your patience, insult my understanding, call me Hanif Bali (I have no idea the significance of this) and so and so forth. Again, it seems a bit unfair and childish. Want to know a funny thing? About 5 minutes after I posted my Foucault thread, I knew I had committed a mistake, I knew you would take it personally. So much so that my response when you finally even acknowledge my OP was actually authored in my head the night before I posted it. We have to be able to talk about these things, two people living in the same country at least, with somewhat similar views, without emulating all the worst things about UP and political discourse on social media!
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:55:47 I admit to skimming only through the beginning of your posts due to you previously having used fairly vulgar ad hominem about me, maybe I miss serious arguments in there. But seriously, I have a hard time believing you when you pull these arguemtns about never having heard of darwinian/dawkins vessels or that Trump et al have harnessed what among other things is often termed as anger.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:57:14 Maybe you should find a good summary of the book and read it. Its certainly a reputable source that goes even further than me.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 15:58:09 Swedens most respected center right newspaper DN says it should be compulsory school literature.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 16:17:36 This is from your first link and not some minor detail in his analysis. --- Här finns också ett problem med källor. De flesta är anonyma, och de tillmäts stor betydelse oavsett om deras påståenden går att belägga eller ej. En nyckelkälla, Daniel Assai, som varit tjänsteman på Sverigedemokraternas kansli, framträder å andra sidan med namn. Han är en fantastisk källa som avslöjar spelet bakom kulisserna under exempelvis järnrörsskandalen. Frågan är bara om han är en för fantastisk källa. Flera journalister, som hör till de främsta granskarna av SD, säger till mig att de skulle akta sig för att förlita sig alltför tungt på Assais utsagor. Gellert Tamas tycks inte dela deras försiktiga hållning, istället friskriver han sig ansvar i efterordet, där han hävdar att han med boken vill ”ge läsaren en möjlighet att – utifrån en kritisk läsning – själv dra sina slutsatser”. Det är inte befriande ödmjukhet, utan ett fegt sätt att inte stå upp för den bild han just ägnat 500 sidor åt att måla upp. Genom att fokusera så starkt på Ekeroth och Sverigedemokraternas ledning – tämligen extrema typer – underlåter Tamas också att genomlysa det samhällsklimat som format en grupp så stor som 20 procent av befolkningen, som är måttligt intresserad av politik men som kan tänka sig att rösta på Sverigedemokraterna. Hur främlingsfientligheten fått så starkt fäste i vårt land är en viktig berättelse om samhällsutvecklingen under de snart 25 år som gått sedan John Ausonius framfart. Den återstår fortfarande att berätta.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 16:20:19 Yes, Svd, probably the paper that agrees with your political views does think its a very good study but agrees with you. DN, f.ex., does not. But now I think Ive wasted enough time on establishing what Im sure you knew all along: this is a well known standpoint within serious literature on the matter, and this respected study uses much more extrme language than I do about the phenomenon.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 16:21:04 * Yes, Svd, probably the paper that agrees with your political views the most (maybe GP)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 16:25:50 "probably the paper that agrees with your political views" This is really not about trying to fit me into a folder WTB. So we have a book that analysis the rise of SD (specifically Ekeroth and Åkesson) to power, and draws conclusions based on weak and questionable sources. And does not provide any answers as to why people actually voted for them. This is the conclusion of an otherwise positive review. So perhaps the book does have a point, white anger plays a role. I don't deny that, but most likely it is not of the importance you or the author thinks it is. I remain open and skeptical.
williamthebastard Member	Sun Dec 04 16:26:51 Whatever, Hanif ;)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 04 16:27:59 <3
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