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The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 02:05:35 dunt fight like baby monkeys. this is real men fightin. not that gay ass baby monkey aka homo style on da ground bullshit. this is not gaymma, this aint gayjitsu. this is brutal kung fu. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBKJA4-fZbQ
smart dude Member	Fri Apr 22 02:23:03 Are you retarded?
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 02:45:06 obviously ur the retard here. mmgay is not close 2 real fightin and certainly the fighters r not top fighters. 4 instance, they r usually a little bit of jack of all trades, and with jack of all trades, usually it means bjj, some mauy thai and some wrestlin. even the top champs r not actually real may thai masters or bjj masters. it takes decades 2 get bjj black and red belts dude. even gracies tell u that. they do however hand out blue belts in 3 months lololol. u can get a blue belt in bjj by doing gracie online academy! i kid u not. but they hand out red belt in 20 years of exp after black belt, kid. so ur retarded if u think any mma guy is a pro bjj fighter. muay thai same deal. put any mma fighter in may thai ring against a skinny 25 year old thai. he will wreck ur mma guy. it takes decades 2 master may thai. and nobody in mma has (20+20 years) in both bjj and may thai. so even da 2 most widely used styles in mma r not even mastered. take holly holmes vs ronda. holly is a good striker. but she nowhere near boxin top. her wrestlin and grapplin however...very bad. certainly she had some ground practise but if u think she somehow got red belt bjj or something in 1 years of occasionally grapplin...ur retarded. she is decent striker who completely messed up ronda. ronda is same deal. she was so in that koolaid she literally thought she was da best striker in da world. she doesnt even rank 2 billionth out of all da ppl on da planet but she alrdy thought she was nr1. so delusional. her grapplin sucks 2. sure, she can whoop ass in da mmgay ring. but in actuallity she was a washed up judo girl unable 2 compete in da judo world. kid, u fell 4 ur mmgay lies and pr.
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 02:47:24 rondas grapplin in mma = destroyer of noobs rondas grapplin in da real world and judo = washed up and frustrated. that is da reality of mma
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 02:53:43 there is a reason mma is called da baby monkey style aka homo missionary style that shit is downright wrong. u ever see 2 mma homos huggin it out in da ring. that shit is disgustin.
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 03:01:54 baby monkey, dude. baby monkey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0gDsL247e8 the baby monkey stance consist of a homo man lyin on his back with his legs opened out in missionary position invitin another homo 2 enter. when u see that shit, run away as fast as possible kid!
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 03:04:36 hence why it is also known as da homo missionary style.
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 03:11:22 why it called mantis style. coz the movements in mantis kung fu mimicks the mantis. why it called snake. coz the movements in snake style mimicks snakes. why it called homo missionary style. coz da mmafaggots lay on there backs with there legs wide open invitin u in. 2 homos then proceed 2 hug eachother out in fetish ways. u r what u r, kid.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 06:32:30 You are an imbecile. MMA is suppose to simulate real life conditions, as closely as possible. Although this has eroded to some degree over time because of rules and safety, it is still the foundation of MMA. During the first UFCs where all the different styles came and fought, the first lesson was that pure striking styles were horrible when pit against a grappler. BJJ reigned supreme. As time went on, the domination of BJJ settled in, because we learned that the better wrestler decides where the fight takes place. This again emphasized the the need for good striking, but even more, WRESTLING! A good wrestler who might be the inferior grappler can neutralize the grapplers take down attempts. Striking, wrestling and and grappling are thus the full spectrum of what makes a good fighter. Had you trained any martial arts you would understand this.
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 06:34:55 fagmatzo is our resident up who practises this baby monkey style. or did u give up on it alrdy? lmao the only thing ur baby monkey is superior at is clingin on 2 mommy monkey.
Camaban The Overseer	Fri Apr 22 06:38:31 Just highlighting the irony of someone who's incapable of taking care of himself talking about 'real men'
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 06:48:55 I trained judo briefly as a kid, then I trained Wing Tsun for a couple years during my teens and I have trained BJJ for the last year and a half. Nimatzo 3 The Children 0 You even lift bro? You used to lie about going to the gym, have you stopped?
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 06:52:14 u trained jackshit, kid. u trained mcdojo, fool. nimatzo 0 TC 1 million times infitnity times infinity times a million but always x10 more than u. BITCH
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 06:55:48 go practise ur baby monkey wraps legs around manly monkey, kid. ur blue belt in baby monkey culd be ordered online from gracie online academy.
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 07:06:24 how much they charge u 4 allowin u 2 practise baby monkey. dunt u feel stupid now. 300 bucks for a belt u can order online lol u think u learned 1337 shit or something lololol u fell 4 da koolaid dumb monkey. hook line sinker. they hooked u like a dumb fish.
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 07:18:25 u wanna order ur blue belt, mr monkey? i got the link 4 u. check the story all the way down. __________________ Gracies- Founders of BJJ Mcdojo?!? I have taken taekwondo for more than a year now and have just started learning brazilian jiu jitsu for around one month. What I encountered at several dojos affliated to the Gracie family shocked me. 1. Trial Lesson I don't know anything about brazilian jiu jitsu before. So, when I decided which dojo to join, I automatically turned to a Gracie Barra one, as I thought them dojos were legit. The membership fee was $80 per month which was a tad expensive but still acceptable if I got to learn good techniques. However, the instructor that taught the white belts turned out to be a blue belt who has only reached his second year of learning brazilian jiu jitsu and was just promoted the month before. Worse, he's got the 'my art is best' attitude, and when I told him that I did taekwondo, he sneered at me and started telling me how useless taekwondo was in an "real life", even though I never asked him for his opinion. To add to the mix, the founder and grandmaster of the club is only a purple belt. Now here is the confusing bit. If a taekwondo practitioner gets his black belt in two years then he is going to a mcdojang for sure. If its a brazilian jiu jitsu practitioner, then its fine? I know, blue is not the same colour as black. But don't you agree that they got the same responsiblities? They are both responsible for teaching beginners afterall. Meanwhiles, the dojo I ended up going to charged me $40 a month (I got the 'student' price, but the adult price there is still cheaper than at GB's) who is taught by brown belts and upwards and when asked about the best and worst styles,they simply said what most experienced martial artists say: that there were none as each of them have their pros and cons, taekwondo and brazilian jiu jitsu included. 2. Actual sparring match I am not great shakes at brazilian jiu jitsu. And since I know a senior at my school who does it, I asked her if she could help me out with some basic stuff like escaping from mounts. She agreed. She turned out to be a blue belt and she could demonstrate the techniques properly when I am absolutely still. However, when I tried to resist (she actually told me to do this), she fell off me or when I started to really push into her, she couldn't throw me over or such like. She, herself, was suprised too. When I asked where she learned the art, she told me that she learnt by watching Gracie Combative videos at Gracie University Online. I asked her how long she has been learning. She told me four months. During the entire course of sparring, I did not use any moves taught in taekwondo classes. Again, a question arrises here. Taekwondo is often said to be giving out belts every three to four months in order to gain money. However, isn't Gracie Academy doing the same? They test for stripes too! Belt testing online costs $85 each time round. She was thankful for the 'wake-up call' as she called it afterwards and soon quitted looking at videos and actually coming to real classes. She even told me that before I sparred with her, she was going planning to become an instructor in another three months or so as she holds a blue belt and passed with a mark of 92... Conclusion: I am NOT trying to diss Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OR Taekwondo. Rather, I learn and enjoy both of them immensly. However, this is getting worrying. Does anyone here think that BJJ Mcdojos are soon going to pop up? Does the Gracies, who tried so hard to stress that BJJ is applicable on the streets, failed themselves by lowering the standards? What does everyone think here? Thank you very much :) Update: Here is the Gracie Barra gym: http://www.hongkongkudo.com/home There are actually black belts in the gym, but they only come out to teach when you pay $13 for an hour (and thats still class format). Here is Gracie University: https://www.gracieuniversity.com/LC/faq_... https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100923055730AALISJn _____________________________________________ u know another word for a monkey practitioner who got hooked and lined. a donkey.
Billah Member	Fri Apr 22 07:25:42 MMA does not replicate real life conditions. In real life, you are getting jumped by 3+ guys and BJJ is always nearly useless in any situation besides 1 vs 1, which never happens in the real world. Muay Thai is great for real fights though but you have to really condition your shins. I can like kick trees down with my shins or metal poles. But really in a real life fight, you want to follow the rules of the Book of Five Rings or the internal martial arts philosophy and use devastating leaping attacks going from assailant to assailant and using their bodies against each other. MMA on TV is about as real as WWE.
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 07:36:10 baby monkey wrap leg around manly monkey. another word for it. homo missionary style. best suited 4 dumbass monkeys who think they r learnin some 1337 shit while payin ludicrous moniez 2 fat cats who obtained there belts 3 months before in online gracie course.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 08:04:24 I am talking about a 1v1 fight, it is still in a controlled setting and a spectator sport. >>In real life, you are getting jumped by 3+ guys and BJJ is always nearly useless in any situation besides 1 vs 1, which never happens in the real world.<< This is your experience, growing up almost all the fights I saw or were in, were 1 on 1. There are probably lots of great self-defence styles for dealing multiple opponents, you like Muay Thai, well personally I like Smith and Wesson much better. >>Muay Thai is great for real fights<< It depends as I explained. You, me, after school in the football field, where you do Muay Thai and I do BJJ? Nope. Pure any style for any serious fighter, those days are over. For us mortals how ever, I believe BJJ is the best martial arts, for the following reasons. 1. It is good training, it teaches you to control your body and makes you familiar with the extreme discomfort of having a much stronger and larger person trying to crush and suffocate you with their body. 2. It is safe compared to striking sports, where the risk of serious injury and brain injury is a fact. 3. You can go 100% during sparring. You can not do this with striking, not for long. 4. Because of nr 3, there is little room for doubt over won or who is better. Nobody gets a "lucky" triangle choke and nobody can after a loss go "if I had hit you harder with the first punch, you would be out maaaaan", Your ego is crushed.
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 08:07:08 god damn u stupid monkey, u r as dumb as they come. u r learnin a monkey style and that is classifyin it lightly that has little real use in real life, and u r learnin it from a mcdojo! get that shit through ur thick skull
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 08:09:43 5. It is good selfdefence style and when pitted against striking arts it is brutally effective. Of course most if not all of what I am saying applies to any grappling art.
hood Member	Fri Apr 22 08:09:45 "well personally I like Smith and Wesson much better." You're confusing the art of engineering with martial arts again.
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 08:21:12 sanda is not muay thai. sanda is 1337 strikin and 1337 grapplin. sanda dominates all other sport styles. muay thai got jackshit on sanda. the stance is different in sanda. the moves r different. the attacks r different. the strats r different. it only looks the same but shit aint kickboxin. kickboxin and muay thai r flawed. sanda is brutal. u fkin shittin me. u think 1 on 1 in da streets sanda vs bjj that bjj is somehow win. u nuts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Qq4qjaz0c
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 08:23:23 not any of that baby monkey homo huggin shit on da floor. u wanna watch 2 homos, go 2 a gaybar.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 08:24:24 I have always talked about martial arts, it was Billah who strained into getting jumped by multiple people in what can only be described as a self-defense setting, once we have strayed there, well engineering wins. Which conveniently allows me to mention that I am an engineer. I win, again!
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 08:38:17 http://i2....x-2880-1000.jpg?fit=1200%2C853 real man
The Children Member	Fri Apr 22 08:42:15 u claimed u was quality control of somekind. so now ur an engineer all a sudden. gtfo
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 08:51:11 CR has not been the same since I told him I don't like the guy he voted for. It's not like he is your boyfriend ffs, I would never say such a thing about Hot Rod.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 08:53:34 I also voted for Harper, I was all upset when people were dumping on Stephen in here. He was not a real man like Trudeau, but still, he was mine
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 08:54:47 http://sha..._resized/harper_310_390_90.jpg would trash nim in grappling
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 09:03:40 Ok, sounds a little homoerotic, and while I do not mind two men fondling each others balls and fingering each others ass holes, I worry that your love for Trudeau blinds you to his failings as a leader and his policies.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:05:57 I adore Trudeau's policies, the nation has never seen such sterling leadership. In fact, the whole world should pay attention and at least attempt to emulate
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 22 09:06:22 Anyone with a Y chromosome who voted for Trudeau should be chemically castrated. There, I said it. How fucking embarrassing is Canada right now.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:08:06 I am basking in warm glow of JT's fame
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 09:09:00 You enjoy his attitude towards Islamist organizations?
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:09:51 I have double his attitude
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 09:16:29 How does that work with his brand of feminism?
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 22 09:19:30 You have to prioritize your targets nimatzo. As long as the fucking white male cisgender heteronormative patriarchy continues to exist, feminists and social justice warriors like Trudeau will continue to unite with their fundamentalist Islamic brethren in order to destroy their common enemy. Only when the war is gone can we focus on the minor flaws of Islamists like stoning women and murdering atheists and stuff.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:19:46 I can't be guessing what exactly you are trying to say. Examples por favor, and watch me defend manly Justin. It'll be my honor. I mean, my honour
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:20:28 I am all about islam and religion, have always been
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 22 09:22:57 You are not about Islam and religion, but you find common cause with Islamists over your desire to destroy the white male patriarchy. Once Canadian society is entirely run by black lesbian pre-op tranny immigrants, you'll turn on the muzzies quickly enough.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:24:49 You must live in some real shitholes, friends. Your fears are palpable. You nee to man up, perhaps elect real men, like Harper and JT, and chill. Well, Harper was almost a real man.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 09:25:39 Your guy thinks that Islam is compatible with secular western values apart from this being a lie, he prayed at a Mosque affiliated with the Muslims brotherhood. He also identifies as a feminist. How does that work?
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 22 09:28:15 I am plenty manly, not that there is anything wrong with being unmanly and limp-wristed. I am not so manly as you of course, I am not nearly manly enough to give away half of my country to 20,000 drunken savages and insist that my fellow men should be excluded from office on account of their gender. A true man's man knows how to act like a metaphorical bottom in all situations, am I right gang
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:31:40 It works fine. I fail to observe any problems here, should problems arise, I will observe how manly Justin deals with them. I will be evaluating him, as I try to do with any of our politicians. I am an evaluator like that, adjusting my voting and donation patterns like that.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:33:27 "I am not nearly manly enough to give away half of my country to 20,000 drunken savages and insist that my fellow men should be excluded from office on account of their gender. " Fine with taking refugees, fine with half woman cabinet. Next
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 09:37:41 So basically, you have no idea what Islam is and what feminists want. Ok. “The things we see online, whether it is issues like gamergate or video games misogyny in popular culture, it is something that we need to stand clearly against.” Here is something specific your guy said. Do you know what he is talking about?
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:41:21 "So basically, you have no idea what Islam is and what feminists want. Ok. " Ok indeed. I can't be bothered by every paranoia out there, the world is too big. I'd be always fearful, scared like you guys, if I did. When problems with feminists and muslims arise in canada and when I see manly JT not dealing with them as a competent PM should, I'll discard him like I discarded Stephen. Meanwhile, life is good
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 22 09:47:35 Jobs are literally being closed to you on account of your gender and you have no problem. You are a fucking cuck.
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 22 09:48:45 And by the way, people get called cucks on political boards, because they are the type of people who willingly let things that should be precious to them get fucked and enjoy it. It's not that difficult a definition, you one dimensional tool.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:49:08 Literally must mean something different in your world. http://www...-som/l01/cst01/labr66a-eng.htm
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:51:26 " people get called cucks on political boards, because they are the type of people who willingly let things that should be precious to them get fucked and enjoy it. " THANK YOU. wow, wiki definition is way more complicated. A conservative who became liberal for some reason, and on top of it enjoys his wife being plowed by negroes. i just wasn't able to comprehand that one. Your explanation is significantly better
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 22 09:53:51 I should clarify that I was calling you a straight cuckold, not a cuckservative. You have never been a conservative, nominally or otherwise. But I am glad to have cleared this up for you, I am at your service always
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 09:54:44 You are correct, we should not be paranoid. Worrying about legitimate issues however, is not paranoia. This is not unknown territory, we can assess the risks and consequences based on information available. It is true that we should not let fear guide our every step, but it should inform our path. I would not discard fear, it is essential to survive.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:56:43 " You have never been a conservative, nominally or otherwise." Wait, your explanation did not say anything about conservatives. Now you are switching to wiki's incomprehensible definition. maybe I praise you too soon. Yes, I praised you too soon.
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 22 09:57:34 No, I cleared this up for you. I did it
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:58:08 " Worrying about legitimate issues however, is not paranoia." Go wash your pussy, nim. You are worrying too much. i hope I didn't offend feminists with washing pussy comment. I might be unworthy of JT
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 09:59:35 "No, I cleared this up for you." You did, and then you muddled it. Now the only diff between what you said and wiki, is the the supposed enjoyment in having your wife fucked by blacks
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 10:06:00 Our interaction is limit to this forum, which is primarily about politics. We talk about alot of divisive issues here, for all you know the total sum of my worried, is just the right amount.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 10:08:38 Fair enough. Now you let me worry my right amount, and stop being flabbergasted by my marrow-deep trust in the ability of our terrific manly new PM to deal with any problems that might arise.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 10:22:49 CR, this is a forum, we come here to discuss things. If you are not interested, do not engage. Telling me to leave your opinions alone when you engaged this thread and offered to defend your guy? What conclusions should one draw from this?
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 10:28:44 I am most always interested. I was copying your "right amount of fear" comment. You could not believe how I do not share your concerns about femninists or muslims, and yet when I told you to wash your pussy and stop being scared, you said that I have no idea about total sum of your worries. So I solemnly pledged to respect this lack of knowledge and called on you to do the same.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 10:35:04 You have this confused, I do believe that you believe what you say you believe, why would I seriously engage you otherwise? I question your reasons for holding them. You tried to dismiss me, saying I worry too much and I refuted that with a basic factual statement, you can not possibly know how much I worry. Besides the quantity of my worries, is irrelevant to the topic.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 10:36:42 Excellent, lets stay engaged always.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 10:38:32 going back on topic - http://new...omes-to-a-brooklyn-boxing-ring
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 10:41:58 mans gotta eat, will return later.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 13:20:10 You might have heard that we had a political scandal in Sweden, where one of the governing parties, The green party had to sack a Muslim minister because of his ties to extreme right wing Turkish organizations and other stupid shit he had said. Then another high ranking Muslim member of the same party refused to shake hands with a female reporter, because he is a Muslim. For the past week now, the Green party has had to assure everyone, in writing and on TV that they are a feminist party, they stand for human rights and democracy. It suddenly dawned on them through a hard learned lesson, that Islam is not compatible with their core values, at least not the Islam that is practiced by the vast majority of Muslims today. The worst part of this fars is that, these two people are by every metric fairly moderate Muslims and their transgression benign in comparison. Islam is not compatible with gender equality or secular western democracy. Your apathy and unwillingness to care or educate yourself does not change that. I do understand why you reason this way, I mean you are rich. If the walls that your money can buy fail to protect you, you could pack your shit take the family and move any place in the world. So as a white cis gendered male oil tycoon, I do not expect you to understand the fears of someone who escaped from a religious autocracy, only to find that the same people my parents fled from are "living next door" and sitting in the government. Do I think Canada is about to fall to the Islamic hordes? No, I mean you are taking in 25 000 people, Sweden took in 200 000 last year alone on top of that you have much larger population and country. It seems Canadians are much more cautious and while you stand tall on your pile of money, the rest of Canada seem to share my worries. It is clear though that this type of ruin is brought upon nations by people like JT, who like you are apathetic to the worries of others while perfectly uneducated on the subject.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 13:24:27 http://www...178/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe i was just reading this, amuse yourself
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 13:57:22 It is cute that you think Canada is awesome, however the reason you are saved from almost all of this is called the Atlantic ocean. It allows for far more selectivity and manageable flow of people. The only real way of getting to Canada is to fly. To fly from these countries pretty much anywhere decent, you need a visa. I am quite sure that Canada is not showering visas over the ME. You are forced to go through the proper channels and some sort of vetting process. This USED to be the case for Sweden before Schengen. Sweden has pretty much always had very generous immigration policy, but due to visa restriction and Swedens geographical position the flow of people has always been manageable. You couldn't get a visa unless you went through the proper process and trying to get here on land, you would have to pass several European borders, so chances where very low. The problem is to get there. My parents paid about 20 000 USD (1980s) to a smuggler and he screwed them over, we ended up flying to Sweden with visas that my dad and his friend forged themselves. It was not my intention to have this be about immigration. For the above mentioned reasons, I agree with you, immigration should not be a source of worry for Canadians.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 13:59:21 "It is cute that you think Canada is awesome, however the reason you are saved from almost all of this is called the Atlantic ocean. " One look at US where paranoia is way more prevalent than in Canada is all you need to disprove that theory of yours. Cute theory, but try again
Paramount Member	Fri Apr 22 14:03:09 Instead of shaking hands with a female reporter he greeted her by putting his hand to his heart. "WAAAH! IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH OUR CORE VALUES, HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY!!! IN SWEDEN WE SHAKE HANDS!!!! RESIGN!!!!" ^ the voice of the nutty right and Nimatzo.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 15:11:35 >>One look at US where paranoia is way more prevalent than in Canada is all you need to disprove that theory of yours. Cute theory, but try again<< My theory also relies on the fact that the USA has a history of conflict with Islam, has been the target of several terrorist attacks, a couple of wars and their 3000 km border with a place called Mexico through which the rest of South American tries to trickle through. Canada none of the above. The theory is pretty solid and also fairly obvious and not even mine, put simply, the closer your are the shit, the higher the risk of having shit smeared on your jacket. If there is an ocean between you and the shit, well shit can't float that far.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 15:13:37 >>Instead of shaking hands with a female reporter he greeted her by putting his hand to his heart.<< It is not what he did paramount, but the reason he did it. Intentions matter and in the way we great and socialize intentions matter the most.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 15:14:44 Canada participates in the same conflicts, bombing syria, for example. We have also been the target of terror attacks. US border with mexico is essentially our border, cause crossing from US into canada is way easier. So, no dice again. Theory is cute but useless
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 15:28:18 If you want to be scared and paranoid, you find reasons to be scared and paranoid. "They are not like us" has been used so many times through world history, it would be impossible to list all the instances of this crap. Go at it, if you must. I don't find any of it persuasive and I'm glad that most of my compatriots and fellow voters share my views. None of it means Canada ( or US )should emulate the disaster of European immigration policies of the past half a century btw, but I'm of the opinion that our approach is working for now. We must continuously adapt, of course, and never afraid to change course if we see that something isn't working. Meanwhile, let's admire our brave, extremely smart, popular and very manly PM and every little thing he does.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 15:47:38 >>Canada participates in the same conflicts, bombing syria, for example.<< Nobody blames you though, they see you as the pawn of the USA, the 51st state. >>We have also been the target of terror attacks.<< And everyone else pretty much. My intention was to show that the USA has a history of conflict with the Islamic jihad movement and interference around the world. Canada is on the sidelines cheering, but the USA is the central player. So they act as your Islamic shit magnet. >>US border with mexico is essentially our border<< In essence, but not in reality. In reality you have to traverse another 3-4000 km to get to Canada. Hmm hitchhike as an illegal immigrant in the USA to get to a frozen hellhole ORRR California? Help me Juan it so diffico :/ I am not saying they don't do it, but judging by your RAMPANT illegal alien problem, measured in the 10's of thousand, not a lot of them make it to Canada, do they? It is a well known fact that the USA acts as Canadas shitmagnet. The calculations behind the theory are rock solid. Geography has always mattered for the Americas. I just explained to you how geography mattered for Sweden and did until a legal frame work put it out of use. Listen I will gladly tell you, that the USA and Canada have a much better way of naturalizing new citizens. You have a longer history and tradition with it. I have even said so on many occasions. What I am saying is that geography makes it possible, you are able to control the flow and be selective with much greater efficiency that a country like, Turkey, which borders Syria, or Italy and Greece in the med. sea. If you can not control your borders your immigration and integration policies are irrelevant. To deny that Canadas geographical location isn't a boon in this aspect, is just silly.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 15:50:04 Noted. Do you want to discuss JT now?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Apr 22 16:11:01 >>If you want to be scared and paranoid, you find reasons to be scared and paranoid.<< It is a nonsensical sentence. I don't want to be anything, I just am what I am in the present moment. Equally nonsensical perhaps. You are adding things to my opinions and loading them with negative emotions. Let me put this to rest, I am not scared or paranoid of any of these things. Like you and everyone else, I do risk assessment, in my work, my life and when I think about the challenges we face as a specie. That is the tone of my voice. >>"They are not like us" has been used so many times through world history, it would be impossible to list all the instances of this crap.<< If we go back, I quoted and criticized JT for saying that "Islam is compatible with a secular western democracy". To which I responded, that no it isn't, not as understood and practices by the vast majority of Muslims today, which is true. It is also true, that cultures are different from one and other, sometimes very different. It is not disparaging to make this observation.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 22 16:50:36 "is a nonsensical sentence. I don't want to be anything, I just am what I am in the present moment. " It was not necessarily about you. I don't know if you are predisposed to be scared and paranoid. It was about people in general JT- "“But on the other hand, we need to make sure that we’re working with communities like the Muslim community for example to demonstrate that Islam is not incompatible with free and open Western societies. We have that in Canada." Is this the quote that got you bothered?
Paramount Member	Fri Apr 22 17:28:15 "It is not what he did paramount, but the reason he did it. Intentions matter and in the way we great and socialize intentions matter the most." Yeah I get it. The woman was offended that he declined to shake her outreached hand. If I reached out my hand and offered a handshake and the other person declined to shake my hand I might also think he is ignoring or disrespecting me. But if he then instead greeted me by putting his hand to his heart and nodding/bowing slightly, or if he had raised his hand in a high-five greeting, I would have accepted it. And the reason why he greeted as he did, is because of the way he was brought up. He is used to and accustomed to greet women in that way. Just like I'm accustomed to shake hands or simply to say "hey, wazup?" as a greeting. Some may think he greets in that way because he don't respect women, but really... putting his hand to his heart and nodding/bowing his head slightly...? I think that is a nice way to greet and show respect for any woman. This is just blown out of proportions. They attack him for no other reason than him being a muslim. It was also well known that he did not greet women by shaking hands. The reporter knew this. It was an orchestrated attack on MP.
The Children Member	Sat Apr 23 01:13:15 a baby monkey style is a totally useless and highly homo erotic style. i am therefore rather not surprised that certain peoples of the populations r attracted 2 baby monkey aka homo style. it is a non realistic and totally futile style. what makes it worse is that ur learnin it from mcdojo who charges u outrageous prices for it while he himself obtained his belt by an online course.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 06:28:31 >>It was not necessarily about you. I don't know if you are predisposed to be scared and paranoid. It was about people in general<< Indeed, you do not, I told you this the first time you brought it up. Anyway, I am glad we can let it go now.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 06:51:24 "Yeah I get it." No you don't and you demonstrate this with the rest of your post. He did not shake her hand solely because she was a woman and not directly related to him. He will consistently not shake the hands of women, but shake the hands of men. >>And the reason why he greeted as he did, is because of the way he was brought up.<< The reason he behaved in such a way is because he was brought up a Muslim. Don't be afraid to say it, we all know it. >>I would have accepted it.<< As opposed to what? Forcibly shake their hand? You have filled your post with a lot of nonsense. Nobody cares how you personally great people and you can spin around this topic all you want. The simple truth is that Islam contains views about women that are not compatible with the Swedish concepts of equality. These ideas translate to different behaviors, one of them is not touching women you are not related to. It is relatively benign in comparison to the other things Islamic doctrine details about women, but without a doubt sprung out of and part of the same misogynistic culture. Having said that, there are plenty of Muslims who do not adhere to this principle, but the practice is common enough that I remember it from Iran. So you can either accept these behaviors, make up excuses for it, as you try to do, open the door for increasingly worse behavior, or make it clear that Islam only has a place in Sweden if it leaves the medieval shit behind.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Apr 23 07:08:14 "Indeed, you do not, I told you this the first time you brought it up. Anyway, I am glad we can let it go now. " And the JT quote? Is this the one you keep on mentioning? I need to be sure, as you know I collect everything about that manly leader
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 07:11:52 Such quotes are the reason I am convinced the man is an imbecile.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Apr 23 07:18:26 So this is the quote that you refer to when you claim that JT said "Islam is compatible with a secular western democracy". And you use quotation marks like that, saying that this is not paraphrasing, that you use the actual quote. Is this correct?
Paramount Member	Sat Apr 23 07:26:42 "As opposed to what? Forcibly shake their hand?" Why would I forcibly want to shake someone's hand. If someone instead wants to greet me with a high-five I would greet him that way. If someone doesn't want to shake hands I guess he will tell you why. Like, "sorry, but I have the flu and I don't want to shake your hands", or "sorry my religious belief tells me that I can't shake your shake your hands", and then I would get an explanation and I could respect that and we could greet each other in some other way. It is not that he didn't want to greet her. He just didn't want to shake hands. What would have been outrageous is if he didn't want to greet her at all. "The simple truth is that Islam contains views about women that are not compatible with the Swedish concepts of equality" Sure, and there are a lot conservative and religious views out there that are not compatible with our concept of equality. And I think there are more important issues to concentrate on, like equal pay for equal work, and to get more women into high positions in business (näringslivet).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 07:31:44 I have paraphrased, but I do not think I have misrepresented what he is saying. Islam a set of ideas, concepts and collection of laws, is antithetical to secular democracy.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Apr 23 07:37:21 The fact that you omitted the part where he says there is work to do to prove that Islam is not incompatible and you use quotations show that you want to believe that he said, even though he actually did not. Yeah, that time when I said that I can't be sure if you want to be fearful and paranoid? And that was for people in general, not necessarily for you? It is actually for you, you poor little pussy
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 08:12:20 >>Why would I forcibly want to shake someone's hand. If someone instead wants to greet me with a high-five I would greet him that way.<< Indeed why would you, so it goes without saying that you would accept it. >>I would get an explanation and I could respect that and we could greet each other in some other way.<< The explanation in this case is that you are a woman and Islam dictates certain things about women. If you want to respect misogyny towards women, you will have a difficult time in Sweden. >>It is not that he didn't want to greet her. He just didn't want to shake hands. What would have been outrageous is if he didn't want to greet her at all.<< Because she is a woman, it is not a detail, you know, it is rather central to the issue. >>And I think there are more important issues to concentrate on<< >>Sure, and there are a lot conservative and religious views out there<< Indeed, but we are specifically talking about the Islamic view and treatment of women.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 08:29:59 >>And that was for people in general, not necessarily for you? It is actually for you, you poor little pussy.<< It is your choice to behave the way you have done in this discussion. I have tried to convey to you (within the limitations of our medium) that I am interested in an honest dialogue, opinions are there to be shaped and changed, mine as well. This is not your approach though, you seem to be able to read minds and you confront me as an adversary, emotions and contempt oozing out of every post. If I am wrong about something or have misrepresented someones views I will gladly correct it. This could have been the next issue we talked about, but you are obviously at the end of your patience, so let's leave it there.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Apr 23 08:45:41 Other than making up stuff in quotations so to present your paranoid argument, you did fine. Anyway, you can come back to trying to convince me about manly Justin's "failings as a leader and his policies", when you get something besides the fake quotes, because I am still not fearful. "Such quotes are the reason I am convinced the man is an imbecile." Think about it a little. Quotes that you made up convinced you that someone else is an imbecile. Time for that long look in the mirror, nim
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 09:11:57 >>Other than making up stuff in quotations so to present your paranoid argument<< I have made nothing up, but this shows your approach this. You think you have found something and you immediately jump to the least generous explanation uninterested if your interpretation is accurate or not. It makes conversing with you a constant battle against your predisposed opinions about my intentions. My use of quotation marks is more the signs of my style of speaking than an attempt to deceive you. I told you that I paraphrased when you asked and also added that the context does not change anything, I have not misrepresented his views. Something we could talk about, but I fear there is no use if you have no interest in doing a better job pretending that you are actually interested in a fair reading of what I think. >>Anyway, you can come back to trying to convince me<< I think your ego is getting the best of you, but I have to break your heart. I am not here to convince you, I am quite sure that I could never convince someone like you. I am here to have a discussion with people about topics that interest me.
patom Member	Sat Apr 23 09:18:51 Real Men? Real men treat their family with love. Bust their ass to make a living for their family. Raise their kids to respect others.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 09:20:41 >>there is work to do to prove that Islam is not incompatible<< I think you are the one not getting the point here. He thinks there is work to do to prove to YOU the non muslims and "islamophobes" like me that Islam is not incompatible with secular democracy. You take this to mean that we have work to do reforming Islam?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 09:23:09 Those quotation marks were to display sarcasm, not that I am an islamophobe, btw.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Apr 23 09:26:59 You didn't paraphrase anything, for that you need to see the original, I bet you never read the quote, and you never heard him saying it. What you likely did is read it already changed, from some other paranoid source and you loved it, it felt good to have your paranoia confirmed. Yes, what you made up misrepresents what manly JT said completely, working to make sure Islam is not incompatible is dropped on purpose, with quotation marks around the phrase never said, to underscore the misrepresentation. Funny how your own quote conveyed imbecility to you, too bad for you it is not manly JT's imbecility, but the person's who actually wrote it, be it you or your paranoid source. "I think your ego is getting the best of you, but I have to break your heart. I am not here to convince you," Sure you are. That's why you said - "I worry that your love for Trudeau blinds you to his failings as a leader and his policies." I hate to think that you lied about worrying, and don't want to convince me. Say it ain't so
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Apr 23 09:36:16 "Those quotation marks were to display sarcasm, not that I am an islamophobe, btw." You really ought to learn what quotation marks are used for. And I couldn't give more of a shit about Islam or whether you are islamophobe. Wtf is compatible anyway? Can a Muslim live in secular country ? This is demonstrably true, we got a sizeable block here. Do I need to get into some theological argument with you about Islam or some other fairy tale to understand compatibility better? No, I don't have to do that. If problems with some immigrant group arise, then we need to adjust, change or scrap our immigration policies. And that is where I am going to judge JT, Harper or any other politician, on how they govern. Meanwhile, you worry that I am blind to some JTs failing but failed to come up with anything that would concern me at this point. Did I miss anything?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Apr 23 09:56:13 >>You didn't paraphrase anything, for that you need to see the original, I bet you never read the quote, and you never heard him saying it<< I have heard the interview in full and nothing I have said changes. >>I hate to think that you lied about worrying<< I changed my mind as our discussion went on. Bound to happen since I unlike you am aware that one can not possibly know everything about the other, in fact I know very little about you as a person and your motives. Speculating and painting you with the shitbrush to fit an agenda is not my cup of tea, outside of humor. I think the biggest obstacle is that you are not really interested in what I think. Which is evident by how much time I have spent assuring you that I am mentally sound, that geography matters and that I am not trying to willfully deceive you.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Apr 23 10:08:27 "Bound to happen since I unlike you am aware that one can not possibly know everything about the other" lol, this is from the guy who just said - " He thinks there is work to do to prove to YOU.." You are aware that, unlike me, one can not possibly know everything, but you feel comfortable claiming to know what manly JT thinks. I suppose it is less arrogant than making up words and putting them in quotations", but I feel like I must point out this inconsistency to you. "I changed my mind as our discussion went on." You need to alert me to your mind changes, you can see how this is unfair to me. I am looking at your words, make effort to engage and reply and then it turns out you changed your mind without telling me.
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