Utopia Talk / Politics / Scalia is dead!

tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 13 16:10:30 woohoo!! Antonin Scalia dead at 79
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Feb 13 16:16:08 wowza
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Feb 13 16:16:25 thats gonna be nasty.
patom Member	Sat Feb 13 16:16:26 So we will have a vacancy on the court until the next President is elected.
Cloud strife Member	Sat Feb 13 16:17:09 Why? Why not Obama appointed?
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Feb 13 16:20:28 This election season has been crazy already, now it is gonna be total apeshit
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 13 16:23:53 congress can stall the appointment until next president
Cloud strife Member	Sat Feb 13 16:25:35 Which they will certainly do, but they should always be made to look like the uncooperative asses they are
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Feb 13 16:27:18 GOP will try to run out the clock, not confirming anyone Obama appoints. Another thing is, Obama is going to be president for about two weeks with a new Senate in session. If Dems have 50 seats after November, with Biden VP vote they can throw out filibuster rule completely and confirm a new justice during that time. So maybe GOP has to play ball a little.
roland Member	Sat Feb 13 16:33:12 it must be Obama's fault
Average Ameriacn Member	Sat Feb 13 16:35:21 Sarah Palin!
Renzo Marquez Member	Sat Feb 13 16:52:46 Richard Dawkins had a stroke too.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sat Feb 13 17:00:33 Hopefully the piece of shit burns in hell.
Aeros Member	Sat Feb 13 17:01:10 What cr said. This can be done the easy way or the dick way. Republicans can have a seat at the table if they want.
Forwyn Member	Sat Feb 13 17:07:43 "So maybe GOP has to play ball a little." Nah. Bork em.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 13 17:08:23 "Justice Scalia was an American hero. We owe it to him, & the Nation, for the Senate to ensure that the next President names his replacement." ~Ted Cruz what if Hillary won & made Obama the replacement :p
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sat Feb 13 17:36:19 Unless Thomas follows Scalia to the grave. Having 8 Justices for two sessions serves would be bad for both sides.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 13 18:29:03 cloud Strife - Why? Why not Obama appointed? If Mitch McConnell has any balls he will table the selection until the next President is in office. Cloud Strife - Which they will certainly do, but they should always be made to look like the uncooperative asses they are You do know that is exactly what Harry Reid did for the last four years don't you. He tabled at least 90% of everything that the Republican House sent to the Senate no matter how good it was for the country. Including almost 40 jobs bills.
ork Member	Sat Feb 13 18:31:27 Obama should make a recess appointment. Eisenhower did it before so there is precedent. Fuck the Republicans if they think they can stall this for over a year.
Forwyn Member	Sat Feb 13 18:36:08 That would actually be ideal, because it takes the heat off the GOP. Then they can promptly reject them when the come back from recess, and put someone else in.
Hood Member	Sat Feb 13 18:36:28 In the face of the impending cluster fuck, we really should have 9 justices and 1-2 backups. In case a retarded congress has trouble doing its job or if a justice or two must recuse themselves. Backups will only be used if one of the 9 main justices cannot perform their duty. In the case of stepping down, or more likely death, the first backup takes the vacated seat and a new backup is what becomes voted on.
State Department Member	Sat Feb 13 18:38:06 Shillary is going to be president anyway.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Feb 13 18:41:37 "That would actually be ideal, because it takes the heat off the GOP. Then they can promptly reject them when the come back from recess, and put someone else in." Put someone else in? As in Congress is going to appoint a SC justice?
Rugian Member	Sat Feb 13 18:46:15 Oh, awesome. It wasn't bad enough that the current Supreme Court thinks that the federal government should be able to control 99% of society and trample over 99% of states' rights, now we're going to get a court that thinks those percentages should be 100% instead. The nightmare of a resurrected Warren Court is back, people.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sat Feb 13 18:48:34 -Hot Rod "If Mitch McConnell has any balls he will table the selection until the next President is in office." I don't know what your definition of "having balls" but mine doesn't involve running away from a political fight. The Republicans are still in the majority right and Obama was elected to a four year term.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 13 18:50:57 Having balls is what the political fight is. I mean if Mitch stands up to the Dems and not roll over and give them what they want.
Forwyn Member	Sat Feb 13 18:51:17 "Put someone else in? As in Congress is going to appoint a SC justice?" No. If GOP wins the WH and Senate, they can both reject an Obama appointment, and accept a GOP one.
Cloud strife Member	Sat Feb 13 18:56:21 Gop can't win wh, so mostly a moot point.
Forwyn Member	Sat Feb 13 19:01:56 Not with Trump, that's for sure. Cruz, even Rubio, can beat Hillary. Sanders is a wild card.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 13 19:05:23 You wish. Trump will be President.
Forwyn Member	Sat Feb 13 19:07:26 Trump has the highest unfavorability rating, even higher than Hillary. 56% won't vote for him, no matter what. How can he win?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 13 19:10:44 Go back and check, I bet most presidents had high unfavorability rating before they were elected.
Forwyn Member	Sat Feb 13 19:21:37 Obama 2008: RCP Average 02/17 - 03/01 69.0 23.0 +46.0 McCain: RCP Average 10/31 - 11/2 52.3 41.5 +10.8 Obama 2012: RCP Average 10/23 - 11/5 50.3 46.1 +4.2 Romney: RCP Average 10/23 - 11/5 49.4 44.6 +4.8 Trump: RCP Average 12/3 - 1/10 34.4 57.8 -23.4 Cruz: RCP Average 12/3 - 1/10 34.6 40.0 -5.4 Clinton: RCP Average 12/3 - 1/19 42.2 51.4 -9.2 Sanders: RCP Average12/3 - 1/19 38.4 38.2 +0.2
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 13 20:11:29 That tells me nothing unless you want to include what column means what.
Forwyn Member	Sat Feb 13 20:17:25 First column is favorability. Second is unfavorability. Trump and Clinton have the lowest +/- of any of them, but Trump is by far the worst.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 13 22:02:55 A Gallup poll, taken on November 19–21, 2010, asked Americans to say, based on what they know or remember about the nine most recent former presidents, whether they approve or disapprove of how each handled his job in office.[31] John F. Kennedy (85% approval/10% disapproval) Ronald Reagan (74% approval/24% disapproval) Bill Clinton (69% approval/30% disapproval) George H. W. Bush (64% approval/34% disapproval) Gerald Ford (61% approval/26% disapproval) Jimmy Carter (52% approval/42% disapproval) Lyndon B. Johnson (49% approval/36% disapproval) George W. Bush (47% approval/51% disapproval) Richard Nixon (29% approval/65% disapproval)
Aeros Member	Sat Feb 13 22:10:00 Back on topic. Obama could choose to role the dice. Like CR said, the New Senate gets sworn in during a period where for 2 weeks Obama will still be President. He could very well make a go for the strong possibility the voters will return a Democrat controlled Senate, or at the very least a Democratic Presidency. And if he loses the bet, its not like he really lost anything. We'd just be back at square one.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 13 22:12:31 The only problem with that is the republicans will increase their Senate seats this year.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 13 22:14:13 And even if the dems win enough seats to regain control the lame duck Senate will still be republicans.
Aeros Member	Sat Feb 13 22:45:03 Rod, you are very wrong. The Next congress, the 115th Congress, is sworn into service on January 3rd. The Next US President is sworn into service on January 21'st. That means for a full 2 weeks, Obama will be Constitutionally the US President for the 115th Congress. Furthermore, if the Democrats return a Majority in the US Senate for the 115th Congress, they can use the rules of a new session at the discretion of the President of the Senate (Vice President Biden) to suspend the filibuster and proceed to a floor vote on Obama's nominee by simply majority. Should the vote pass, then Obama's Supreme Court nominee would be granted his post.
Garyd Member	Sat Feb 13 22:46:24 No one is voting for any of these pieces of dog excrement because they like them or against them because they hate them. This is the first election in my life time in which favorability doesn't mean jack. Hell half the people on Hillary's payroll like her to the extent that she pays them and not much if any beyond.
Aeros Member	Sat Feb 13 22:52:21 This is huge for the Democrats. People won't just be electing a President, they will be electing a Supreme Court Justice, and that Supreme Court Justice will be voted by proxy via the Senate candidates who say they will support him/her. No way in fucking hell Obama plays ball. The Dems are absolutely going to cast this as a Supreme Court Election at the Senate level, and a vote for or against the nominee will be the number 1 demand. And every voter will know whether or not their Senator choice supports or opposes said nominee. Its a political wonks dream. Senate votes now matter massively. And every Senator will come under scrutiny.
Garyd Member	Sat Feb 13 22:55:34 And most senators come from red states...
Aeros Member	Sat Feb 13 23:01:36 Red States is subjective Garyd. The Senate is not, and cannot be Gerrymandered. Which means that even the reddest of States is no guarantee if the people in that State decide to buck the trend. Take for example my own State of Virginia. Our Congressional delegation to the house is Republican. Our Legislature is Republican. Our Governor, Attorney General, Lt. Governor and Both Senators are Democrats. In Virginia, every political office subject to redistricting is dominated by the Republican Party. EVERY State office subject to state wide referendum is held by the Democrats. Rather strange, don't you think?
kargen Member	Sun Feb 14 01:07:54 Even early in a term it can take six months or more to get a Supreme Court Justice confirmed. There is little chance President Obama will pick the next justice unless he somehow manages to pick a conservative. A recess appointment will not happen. When President Bush was going to appoint some federal judges during a congressional recess the Democrats had a freshman call roll each day so technically congress wasn't at recess. You can expect Republicans to do the same.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 01:10:58 pedowoo - Hopefully the piece of shit burns in hell. A man as good as him will not go to hell. Your mother is so fat there probably would not be room for him anyway.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 01:13:10 kargen - A recess appointment will not happen. When President Bush was going to appoint some federal judges during a congressional recess the Democrats had a freshman call roll each day so technically congress wasn't at recess. You can expect Republicans to do the same. I was thinking the same thing.
Aeros Member	Sun Feb 14 12:59:25 "Even early in a term it can take six months or more to get a Supreme Court Justice confirmed." He will have his nominee picked well in advance. They will then spend the next few months fighting over it. The Republicans will block every single time. Election happens, hopefully Democrats regain the Senate. Rule change invoked at the start of the new Senate term on January 3rd. Supreme Court nominee voted for on January 17th. Obama leaves office on the 21'st. Done.
Forwyn Member	Sun Feb 14 15:00:58 "whether they approve or disapprove of how each handled his job in office" There's a huge difference between post-Presidency polls and Primary approval polling. "This is huge for the Democrats. People won't just be electing a President, they will be electing a Supreme Court Justice," 3-4. Oldest 3 justices now are 77, 79, and 82. Next President will shape the court for decades to come. It will probably be disastrous for the GOP to try to drag one nominee out for 11 months. 2, though? If the first one takes 6 months to get Borked, it could happen.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Feb 14 16:54:49 lmfao, did Hack Rod really just toss out a "yo momma so fat" slam?
Garyd Member	Sun Feb 14 17:05:18 The Dems stalled for nearly a year on Bushes first SS Nomination. The likelihood of the Senate going back Democrat is low. Congress always has shitty approval numbers. And their approval numbers are bad not because they stalled Obama but because they've scarcely bothered to try. We did not elect these people to work with the Democrats, working with Democrats is why we are where we are today, we elected them to defeat them and throw their sad miserable asses on the ash heap of history where they belong and about half the bureaucracy with them.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 17:34:26 R.I.P. Justice Scalia.
John Adams Member	Sun Feb 14 17:43:45 Finally. You showed respect without spamming.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 18:01:05 And you have not.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sun Feb 14 18:03:50 Trump hasnt either. Why are you ok with Trump disrespecting the dead Rod?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 18:12:30 As I said before, everyone has a right to show respect or not, even ja. And I have the right to form my opinion of those who do not show respect. The only difference is ja is a schmuck and always has been and I can tell him so in this forum. Plus he hides behind a multi to show his disrespect which is about as low as you can get.
John Adams Member	Sun Feb 14 20:15:21 Who faked their death to draw attention? Oh that's right. You just hate being put in your place since your first post.
Garyd Member	Sun Feb 14 21:54:20 Somebody whose initials are JA has a really poor memory. As I recall it was done to try to ditch all the pedo crap not to get attention dipstick.
smart dude Member	Sun Feb 14 22:11:49 He could have just walked away. Or (shocking!) could have simply been honest. Instead he fakes his death? Pathetic. I remember people having some nice things to say about Rod after the learned he was dead. Not anymore.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 22:25:07 dumb dud you sure don't know much about this forum do you? Or are you really that stupid? Why don't you walk away, you are of no consequence here.
John Adams Member	Sun Feb 14 22:33:07 "Somebody whose initials are JA has a really poor memory. As I recall it was done to try to ditch all the pedo crap not to get attention dipstick." Yeah, that worked well didn't it?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 22:45:07 I finally grew a thicker skin so now I no longer have to fake my death or hide behind a multi like the sniveling coward I was back then or like you are now. BTW,If you were going to use a name from The Revolution you should have picked on more apropos such as Benedict Arnold. You can look his name up in Wikipedia.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 22:56:07 *-one
smart dude Member	Mon Feb 15 00:13:31 Benedict Arnold, from Wikipedia: "Despite Arnold's successes, he was passed over for promotion by the Continental Congress while other officers claimed credit for some of his accomplishments.[3] Adversaries in military and political circles brought charges of corruption or other malfeasance, but most often he was acquitted in formal inquiries. Congress investigated his accounts and found he was indebted to Congress after spending much of his own money on the war effort. Frustrated and bitter at this, as well the alliance with France and failure of Congress to accept Britain's 1778 proposal to grant full self-governance in the colonies, Arnold decided to change sides and opened secret negotiations with the British." Contrary to grade school accounts of Arnold as a disloyal traitor, he was actually a valuable and heroic American General who sacrificed a great deal only to be betrayed the Congress. Anyone who studied US revolutionary history beyond primary school knows this.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Feb 15 00:47:23 His wife, Peggy Shippen Arnold came from a Tory family in Philadelphia and had much to do with Arnold's becoming a traitor. "Peggy Shippen, or Margaret Shippen (also Peggy Shippen Arnold or just Peggy Arnold, June 11, 1760 – August 24, 1804), was the second wife of General Benedict Arnold. Born into a prominent Philadelphia family with Loyalist tendencies, she met Arnold during his tenure as military commander of the city following the British withdrawal in 1778. They were married in the Shippen townhouse on Fourth Street on April 8, 1779. Not long after, Arnold began conspiring with the British to change sides. Peggy played a role in the conspiracy, which was exposed after British Major John André was arrested in September 1780 carrying documents concerning the planned surrender of the critical Continental Army base at West Point. After Arnold's flight to New York City, Peggy Shippen Arnold followed. They traveled together to London at the end of 1781, where she established a splendid home as Arnold rebuilt a trading business. In 1787 she joined Arnold in Saint John, New Brunswick, where Arnold's difficulties with local businessmen eventually prompted their return to London in December 1791. Arnold died in 1801, after which she had to settle his business affairs and pay off his debts. Peggy Shippen Arnold died in 1804, having borne him five children who survived infancy." He always had debt problems even before he met her and he always thought his military achievement were greater than what they really were. Washington himself never thought too much of him and when Arnold expressed an interest in commanding West Point he thought that would be a great way to get him out of the way. I just finished reading all about him in 'George Washington's Secret Six: The Spy Ring That Saved the American Revolution.' To show you what kind of a sleaze he was, he used Congress' money, which was always in short supply, to repair and provision the fort so it would be in top shape for the British. Hell, he even wanted Washington to be at the fort when the British arrived to take it over so he could get credit for that too. That might even have ended the war right then.
John Adams Member	Mon Feb 15 07:06:41 "I finally grew a thicker skin so now I no longer have to fake my death or hide behind a multi like the sniveling coward I was back then or like you are now." Still a sensitive subject for you. "BTW,If you were going to use a name from The Revolution you should have picked on more apropos such as Benedict Arnold. You can look his name up in Wikipedia." So Wikipedia is useful for you? I remember when you didn't know that PBS News was a new agency. Helpful site isn't it?
John Adams Member	Mon Feb 15 08:50:41 News*
Aeros Member	Mon Feb 15 10:13:11 Hillary said that if she is President and there is still no replacement made, she will nominate Barack Obama. Lol
hood Member	Mon Feb 15 10:19:54 That is almost trolly enough to make me consider voting Hillary. Just to see the rage...
McKobb Member	Mon Feb 15 10:28:40 What a hoe. She wouldn't nominate Clinton first!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 15 10:37:41 she's been hugging Obama close lately... SC has a large black vote... probably a coincidence...
Aeros Member	Mon Feb 15 10:41:08 It would be an almost Shakespearean trolling. Republicans obstruct obama cuz its his last year in office and they want to stick it to him. Lose election. Obama becomes a supreme court justice. Republicans have to live with him for as long as he lives.
hood Member	Mon Feb 15 10:53:05 Like I said. Almost worth voting for Hillary, just for trolls.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Feb 15 11:41:27 Even if Hillary wins and Nominates Obama a republican Congress will never approve him. Never. The reason she has been schmoozing him lately is because his word can keep her from being charged over her emails.
Paramount Member	Mon Feb 15 12:01:11 I would love to see Obama as Supreme Judge.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 15 12:21:42 I would love to see a koala as Supreme Judge.
Garyd Member	Mon Feb 15 12:25:38 Both sides will cast this as a Supreme court election and Aeros your worst nightmare is the fact that gerrymandering plays no part in senate election.They are stat wide elections and every state gets two and as previously stated there are more red states the blue ones. In fact if memory serves Obama never won a majority of the fifty states.
hood Member	Mon Feb 15 12:28:33 "there are more red states the blue ones" The south and Midwest are indeed filled with a bunch of pointless "morans". Don't you live in one of those sisterfucker states?
Garyd Member	Mon Feb 15 12:52:26 Nope. Southwest. That also includes states like Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, North and South Dakota. Oh and that activity still makes the News here because it isn't common so why do you think it's not spoken of in your neck of the woods?
hood Member	Mon Feb 15 13:10:23 I'm not sure what point you were trying to make here. That you can list incredibly useless states that are known for backwards stupidity? Or that such places are predominantly Republican? Kind of makes my point though.
Forwyn Member	Mon Feb 15 13:18:07 For every ounce of stupidity you can find in Arkansas, Kentucky, or Idaho, I can find its equivalent in California, New York, or New Jersey. As usual, stereotypes are usually only cursory. Having lived in both, I can safely say that a large city in the South or Midwest is much more likely to have a healthy balance between conservative and liberal principles than a large city on the coast.
Aeros Member	Mon Feb 15 13:22:09 Also remember that even "red states" return Democratic Senators. Exhibit A: Nevada.
hood Member	Mon Feb 15 13:25:27 "For every ounce of stupidity you can find in Arkansas, Kentucky, or Idaho, I can find its equivalent in California, New York, or New Jersey" Absolutely. But stupidity is not equal. Best case being hot rod. There is nothing that rivals him. Sure, other people in this board might be stupid, but it doesn't even compare to hot rod.
Forwyn Member	Mon Feb 15 13:31:06 It takes a special kind of echo chamber to create a Hot Rod, one that rarely exists in the modern Western World. I'll admit it's much more likely to occur in a rural area.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Feb 15 13:39:13 Obama should nominate Anita Hill for the ultimate trollfest
Hrothgar Member	Mon Feb 15 18:05:17 Saw this meme the other day: "I feel like this is the last season of America and the writers are going completely crazy."
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 15 18:14:07 Antonin Scalia Conspiracy Theories: Top 5 Questions About His Death 1. Why Did He Have a Pillow Over His Head When He Was Found Dead? 2. Why Was His Cause of Death Declared by Phone? 3. Why Did Local Officials & His Family Decline to Have an Autopsy Conducted? 4. Did Obama Have Scalia Killed So He Could Fill His Supreme Court Seat? 5. Was He About to Confess the Bush Family’s Role in 9/11? the details: (yes, Alex Jones is part of some :p) http://hea...bush-family-911-video-twitter/
State Department Member	Mon Feb 15 18:33:53 Appoint Zombie Scalia.
Hood Member	Mon Feb 15 22:21:40 Maybe Scalia went hunting with Cheney... and there was another shotgun accident.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Feb 16 01:00:54 If only X-Files had more time this season! :(
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Feb 16 01:31:42 It's happening!: "Obama Compiles Shortlist Of Gay, Transsexual Abortion Doctors To Replace Scalia" [Onion News in Brief] http://www...ay-transsexual-abortion--52361 "WASHINGTON—Moving quickly to begin the process of filling the unexpected vacancy on the Supreme Court bench, President Obama spent much of the weekend compiling a shortlist of gay, transsexual abortion doctors to replace the late Antonin Scalia, White House sources confirmed Monday. “These are all exemplary candidates with strong homosexual values and proven records of performing partial-birth abortions, but am I missing anyone?” Obama reportedly asked himself while reviewing his list of queer, gender-nonconforming, feminist Planned Parenthood employees, all of whom were also said to be black immigrants. “I definitely have enough post-op transsexuals on the list, but it is a little light on pre-op candidates. And I should probably add a cop killer or two on here just to round out my options.” Sources later confirmed that Obama was attempting to rapidly narrow the list down to the single best nominee to submit to the Senate in hopes of wrapping up confirmation hearings before his choice had to leave to attend the Hajj pilgrimage."
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 16 15:32:05 “I went on the air and said we need the equivalent of a Warren Commission, we need an immediate autopsy before the body is disposed of. What do you think of that?” Savage asked. Trump avoided giving a straight answer, saying he didn’t know enough. “Well I just heard today… you know I just landed and I’m hearing it’s a big topic.” “But they say they found a pillow on his face, which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow,” Trump said. “I can’t tell you– I can’t give you an answer.” -------- c'mon Trump!... bite on the bait, you know you want to!
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Wed Feb 17 13:13:30 R.I.P. to the greatest supreme court justice that ever lived. You will be sorely missed
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Feb 17 13:26:11 Hood - Maybe Scalia went hunting with Cheney... and there was another shotgun accident. They did hunt together recently, not sure if it was on this trip.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 17 13:29:29 Scalia was about to declare Cruz ineligible because of his Canadiannes. Make your own conclusions
hood Member	Wed Feb 17 13:34:39 So Cheney shot scalia, who was mortally wounded. Instead of letting him die a painful death, Cheney agrees to smother scalia with a pillow, but due to old age he forgets to doctor the scene and leaves the pillow on top of scalia's head. Well, that's solved.
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