Utopia Talk / Politics / Looks Like Ted Cruz really Is Crazy.

Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 06 18:59:38 Ted Cruz: Vets Should Sell Cookies For Funding, Like Girl Scouts Posted about 9 months ago During a campaign stop in Iowa on Wednesday, Texas Senator and 2016 GOP Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz made a suggestion that some military veterans may find controversial, if not outright offensive: he believes that the office of Veterans Affairs and the Pentagon should sell cookies to raise funds, a concept he admittedly borrowed from the Girl Scouts of America. Ted Cruz spoke at a town hall event in Des Moines, Iowa Wednesday morning, answering questions from a crowd of approximately 200 to 250 likely voters. One of the attendees, an Iraq War veteran named Dan with a prosthetic leg, asked Senator Cruz what his administration would do to help veterans, while further asking how Cruz’s proposed tax cuts would affect the Department of Veterans Affairs. “We need to be innovative if we want to help veterans. We need to be practical and pragmatic. But we also need to remain vigilant with our government’s out-of-control spending, and find ways of mitigating expenses wherever possible,” Cruz answered. “So we need a president whose willing to tackle the hard issues, and come up with innovative solutions to these problems, head-on.” Unsatisfied with Cruz’s answer, the next attendee to receive the mic, Sally, who also identified herself as a veteran, asked Senator Cruz to clarify his answer, specifically asking what Cruz plans to do, as president, to help veterans while also balancing the Federal budget, to which Cruz replied with the controversial statement. “We need to make spending cuts that not everyone will be happy with, but we need to come up with solutions that make up for those cuts, too. For instance — and I’m just thinking out loud here — but the Girl Scouts make a lot of money selling cookies each year, and it brings attention to their cause. We’re talking billions and billions of dollars here. That’s an innovative idea right there, and I just came up with it on the spot. That’s what I want to bring to the White House.” “Something like that, selling cookies, would generate billions of dollars for veterans while also connecting them with their friends and neighbors in a new and innovative way,” Cruz later continued, responding to yet another question from an attendee. “Think about the opportunities these veterans would be exposed to. Think about the potential of meeting a new employer, for instance. This idea would raise billions of dollars for vets each year, gives veterans the sort of public attention they deserve, and could open new doors for our nation’s bravest fighting men and women. This would be a golden opportunity for veterans, and for America.” Senator Cruz’s claim that the Girl Scouts raise “billions of dollars” selling cookies is inaccurate, however. The Girl Scouts of America raise roughly $700 million per year selling their world-famous cookies, with 75% going to local councils, 25% going toward bakeries, and a small amount of revenue going to their national headquarters. http://nat...l-scouts/#sthash.m7bTqbSC.dpuf
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 06 19:00:28 I know this was 9 months ago, but I missed it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Feb 06 19:02:56 that's one of them fake news sites though
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 06 19:09:32 You're righy. I should have checked snoops, but I really believe he is that crazy.
Aeros Member	Sat Feb 06 20:22:16 Lol
Hood Member	Sat Feb 06 20:38:24 "that's one of them fake news sites though" FOX?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 06 20:40:42 Hood is an idiot that doesn't know how to click a link so he can see what it is.
Hood Member	Sat Feb 06 20:48:20 Hot Rod is the easiest to troll...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 06 21:07:16 No, Cruz really is crazy.
yankeessuck123 Member	Sat Feb 06 21:56:45 And this is what confirmation bias looks like.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 06 22:01:29 No, as I explained in a thread yesterday that a friend of a friend of mine worked for him when he was runn8ing for the Senate and she said he really is bonkers.
yankeessuck123 Member	Sat Feb 06 22:09:48 And since you already believe that he's bonkers, you're willing to also believe that bullshit like this is true, because it matches your pre-existing belief.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 06 22:26:14 Yep, of course you think there is nothing wrong with him because you are a certified doctor, right? Or is he just a close personal friend of yours? Or did you see him on television and that was good enough to form the opinion that there is nothing wrong with him?
Capitalist Member	Sun Feb 07 02:18:27 What would have been wrong with the basic idea though?
Paramount Member	Sun Feb 07 02:32:58 Yes, Cruz is crazy. But, I don't think it is anything wrong with if veterans sold cookies like little girl scouts. If they want to raise funds they've got to work. Nothing is free in this world. Hot Rod. "I should have checked snoops, but I really believe he is that crazy." Yeah, man. Like those sites that says that jews eats children. It is horrible if it is true. One should check the facts but I believe they are that crazy :)
The UP Archives Member	Sun Feb 07 06:22:07 Archived.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 07 06:27:51 The UP Archives, here. Archive this while you are at it. *As I explained in a thread yesterday that a friend of a friend of mine worked for him when he was running for the Senate and she said he really is crazy.*
John Adams Member	Sun Feb 07 06:40:23 Oh this is rich...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 07 07:17:15 I base my opinion on the opinion of a friend of a friend that worked with and for Cruz. What exactly do you base your opinion on? tumbleweeds? "Yep, of course you think there is nothing wrong with him because you are a certified doctor, right? Or is he just a close personal friend of yours? Or did you see him on television and that was good enough to form the opinion that there is nothing wrong with him?" You guys pull this shit out of your ass and expect everyone to believe it. jd, I really do pity you and your ilk.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 07 07:19:14 Furthermore, you have absolutely nothing to contribute except your stupidity.
John Adams Member	Sun Feb 07 16:00:14 ^feelings are hurt.
McKobb Member	Sun Feb 07 16:39:35 Cruz and Trump should enter the thunderdome.
Forwyn Member	Sun Feb 07 18:02:42 So you're basing your voting on personal anecdotes, and not policy platforms? Are you just saying that, or does it simply back up the guy you've been gunning for along? I'm not sure you know for yourself, but if you do, I'm genuinely curious.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 07 19:26:13 Hitler had a pretty good platform for the people at that time. Would you have voted for him?
Forwyn Member	Sun Feb 07 19:36:56 Hitler lost the election. In any case, which of Hitler's positions do you think were pretty good?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 07 19:46:42 He put people back to work and restored national pride, for awhile. That is all the cared about. Of course, that is what we want now. I think Cruz may very well satisfy our wants, but I think he is crazy. The two tricks he pulled in Iowa without firing anyone convinces me.
Garyd Member	Mon Feb 08 14:01:08 Rod you are wrong. He isn't crazy. And the dems do worse shit than that all the time. Can you prove harm or that he gained by it? After all doc got a larger bloc of the vote than the polls said he was supposed to and there are multiple reports that the information didn't get to the floor in multiple locations.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 08 14:09:05 HR buys into everything Trump claims (which is Trump would've won if not for Caron stunt... he's saying it & his surrogates are saying it repeatedly, just heard it again about an hour ago) btw Carson lost 1% from latest polling, but Trump lost Iowa by 4%
Daemon Member	Sun Feb 14 03:19:44 He's an asshole: http://the...orture-might-not-even-qualify/ Ted Cruz’s Definition of Torture Is So Extreme, His Father’s Torture Might Not Even Qualify Feb. 11 2016, 5:29 p.m. Ted Cruz, who has long been an outspoken opponent of torture, reversed himself during Saturday’s Republican presidential debate when he endorsed an extreme and discredited definition of torture: that anything that inflicts less pain than losing an organ doesn’t count. That definition, which Cruz said was “generally recognized,” is anything but. It comes from a 2003 Justice Department memo that the department later rescinded, acknowledging that it was full of slipshod legal arguments, clouded by ideology, and written under pressure from CIA officials who had already begun to torture terror suspects. It’s such an extreme definition that it calls into question whether the treatment Cruz’s father endured in a Cuban prison — which the Texas senator has previously pointed to as his motivation to oppose torture — would qualify. In his 2015 book, A Time for Truth, Cruz tells the story of his father, Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, who, as a teenager, fought in support of Fidel Castro’s revolution. After an informant for the Batista regime turned him in, Rafael was imprisoned. Cruz describes his torture: "They threw him in a rotten cell, acrid with the smell of blood, grim, and urine. Men with clubs beat him. His captors broke his nose when they kicked him in the head with their army boot. They bashed in his front teeth until they dangled from his mouth. In each round of beatings the pain was unbearable." In the book, Cruz quotes his father as saying: “You know, the Cubans weren’t fancy with their torture methods. They would just come into your jail cell every couple of hours and beat the crap out of you.” Cruz has often said that his father’s suffering was a source of inspiration. “When you grow up in the home of an immigrant who’s seen prison and torture, who’s seen freedom stripped away,” Cruz told the Associated Press, “you grow up with an acute appreciation for how precious and fragile our liberty is.” After the release of the Senate torture report in 2014, Cruz told the Heritage Foundation that “Torture is wrong. Unambiguously. Period. The end.” Cruz has said that “America does not need torture to protect itself,” and last June, he voted for an amendment sponsored by Sen. John McCain, which required that overseas interrogations comply with regulations in the U.S. Army Field Manual. Cruz’s stand on torture put him at odds with many of his Republican colleagues. Twenty-two Republican senators opposed the amendment, including rival presidential candidate Marco Rubio. According to a new Pew Survey, a large majority of Republican voters — 73 percent — think torture can be justified against people suspected of terrorism. At Saturday’s Republican debate, when Cruz was asked whether waterboarding is torture, he replied that it is not. “Under the law, torture is excruciating pain equivalent to losing organs and systems,” he said. So waterboarding “does not meet the generally recognized definition of torture.” President George W. Bush adopted a similar position: He admitted that he authorized waterboarding on national television, while maintaining that “The United States does not torture. It’s against our laws, and it’s against our values. I have not authorized it, and I will not authorize it.” During Saturday’s debate, Cruz went on to say that he would bring waterboarding back, but not “in any sort of widespread use.” GOP frontrunner Donald Trump said that he would “bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.” Cruz’s more limited endorsement of torture led Trump, at a rally on Monday, to repeat an insult from the crowd, calling Cruz a “pussy.”
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 14 11:35:02 curious that they just slide in at the end that Trump wants even worse
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 17:18:10 Trump said in the debate that Cruz is doing the same thing to him that he did to Carson. He is making robo calls saying that Trump is dropping out of the race and to vote for Cruz.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 14 17:59:58 the election is over a week out, that wouldn't be effective he's doing push poll robo-calls... giving negative ad style info on a candidate if the person doesn't select Cruz ...and it's not proven to be Cruz, but probably is
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 14 22:27:35 a bit melodramatic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbca-7bc374
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 22:36:33 How many years ago was he pro-choice? I was pro-life once upon a time? I don't know how old you are, but do you think the same way you did 20 years ago or are you still hung up on the same things?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 14 22:39:03 i didn't say i agree w/ the ad claims (although Trump's abortion opposition is pretty shaky, he doesn't like talking about it) pretty sure we won't lose marriage, life, religious liberty or the 2nd amendment no matter who gets the supreme court spot
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 22:47:13 Don't bet on it. That is kind of what I thought about Obamacare until Roberts cast his vote. Twice!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 14 22:52:08 i see you and Trump once again are on the same page "Ted Cruz, along with Jeb Bush, pushed Justice John Roberts onto the Supreme Court. Roberts could have killed ObamaCare twice, but didn't!" (his latest tweet)
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 14 22:59:13 Are you in the habit of denying the truth? Roberts even changed the wording of the governments brief from the bench one of those times.
Forwyn Member	Sun Feb 14 23:14:23 "or the 2nd amendment no matter who gets the supreme court spot" Heller was decided 5-4, and one of those was Scalia. You can fucking bet bootlickers would be cheering a 6-3 anti-2nd decision.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Feb 15 00:08:13 If they replaced Scalia with a liberal wouldn't that be a 5-4 decision the other way?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 15 15:04:57 Trump's statement on Ted http://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10156647104280725 including his threat to sue Ted for being Canadian and with new threats to the RNC about his pledge not to run as independent
Forwyn Member	Mon Feb 15 16:19:25 "If they replaced Scalia with a liberal wouldn't that be a 5-4 decision the other way?" For now. Luckily, the next 3 justices to go are 2 liberals and a swing.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 15 16:28:15 "He apologized to Carson after the event, he should have apologized to me," Trump said. "If Iowa had any guts, the people from the Republican Party, they should disqualify him from winning Iowa. I really mean it. Because what he did was a fraud."
Wrath of Orion Member	Mon Feb 15 16:40:17 lmfao, the absolute terror some of you show over what's going to happen now that Scalia is gone is fucking hilarious.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 15 16:55:04 it's Cruz' main talking point now, what a boon to his candidacy
Wrath of Orion Member	Mon Feb 15 17:02:25 Yeah, it's good for herding the sheeple. We've got a number of them here.
MrPresident07 Member	Tue Feb 16 09:10:34 This looks like a repeat of Iowa. My political friends on the ground say they've never seen an operation like Cruz's.
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Feb 16 09:17:00 unless it is caucus format i dont think organization will help as much
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Feb 16 09:18:25 besides polls was close in iowa while trump is double cruz in south carolina and michigan
MrPresident07 Member	Tue Feb 16 09:48:12 1. Cruz's ground game is unrivaled, both in his campaign and super pac orgs. 2. Bush internal polling showing Cruz down 2-3 points to Trump. 3. Trump would not be savaging Cruz like he did yesterday and over the weekend if he didn't see polls as close. Evidence points to a Cruz surge. We'll find out Saturday.
State Department Member	Tue Feb 16 09:54:59 Everyone is suspending their campaigns except Cruz. Vote for him!
hood Member	Tue Feb 16 10:17:29 "Cruz's ground game is unrivaled, both in his campaign and super pac orgs." Just what every regular person wants to hear. The rich/corporate interests want Cruz! Seriously, this should turn you off of a candidate. And it should be removed from politics.
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Feb 16 10:34:20 ted cruz illegally stole the election in iowa and trump should sue him for banishment to canada
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Feb 16 10:53:43 Looking at latest polls it is unclear to me how Donald is not the nominee. Barring some insane meltdown, of course, which he is more than capable of. Or some state by state delegate math that I am not familiar with
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 16 11:02:51 i'm still hoping for the meltdown, or just people noticing he doesn't actually know much but if he keeps winning only by plurality, seems the others could coalesce against him at the convention too
MrPresident07 Member	Tue Feb 16 11:51:36 "Looking at latest polls it is unclear to me how Donald is not the nominee." I'll be curious to see the SC results. If Cruz wins SC then I will be convinced that Trump's numbers are inflated everywhere. If he wins as convincingly as some of these polls suggest then we have a race on our hands. The issue is Trump has a ceiling. If he doesn't break through some of these numbers, the field will winnow to a 1 on 1 matchup. In that scenario I believe Trump loses.
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Feb 16 13:52:55 This will add to Donald's lead in the polls ----- Trump flirts with suggestion that Scalia was murdered Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump during a radio interview appeared to question the circumstances surrounding Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia’s death. ADVERTISEMENT During a call on Monday with talk show host Michael Savage, Trump said it was “pretty unusual” that Scalia was found dead with a pillow over his head on Saturday. “Donald, I need to come back to the topic we’ve all been screaming about here, which is Scalia, was he murdered?” Savage asked Trump. “I know it’s pretty brutal to say that, and I’m not wanting to drag you into this, but this is going to be bigger and bigger and bigger." “I went on air and said we need the equivalent of a Warren Commission, we need an immediate autopsy before the body is disposed of. What do you think of that?” Savage continued. “I just landed and I’m hearing it’s a big topic,” Trump responded. “But they say they found a pillow on his face, which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow." “I can’t tell you — I can’t give you an answer,” Trump added. Scalia, who was 79, died unexpectedly Saturday during a hunting trip in Texas. http://the...stion-that-scalia-was-murdered
State Department Member	Tue Feb 16 15:42:55 ¡Jeb! on suicide watch: http://twitter.com/JebBush/status/699706718419345408
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Feb 16 15:53:30 Has anyone ever lost with more panache than Jeb? Everything he does or says is the opposite of what a viable candidate should be doing or saying, it is like he is crashing on purpose, like he is inviting all the mockery on purpose. You want to laugh at ho pathetic his campaign is, but pathetic would be an upgrade, I don't even know how to berate Jebs campaign, what words to use. Wtf does this gun tweet supposed to mean? Jeb's ruggedness?
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Feb 16 16:04:16 comments suggestions.. "is this your suicide note" "jeb is going back in tme to kill #babyhitler"
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Feb 16 16:07:27 I was wondering about murder myself. There are certainly a great many liberals that would love to replace him with a liberal.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 16 16:26:09 you're supposed to notice Jeb's name etched on the gun & then think he will defend the 2nd amendment more than anyone
Wrath of Orion Member	Tue Feb 16 16:32:50 rofl, no now Retard Rod is turning into a conspiracy nutter? It's like you gravitate toward the dumbest possible thing in all instances.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Feb 16 16:45:21 I was just agreeing with crownroyal, for a change.
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Feb 16 17:43:18 http://blo...21165806/scalia-and-the-pillow Just to be clear, I don’t believe that Hillary Clinton, the Illuminati, or the Military-Industrial Complex killed Scalia. I think he died of natural causes. I also think Scalia had a great sense of humor and a quick mind. So my hypothesis is that in his final seconds of life, realizing he would not survive, he thought it would be hilarious to put a pillow over his head and make it look like a political murder. That’s dumb, you say. But keep in mind that the next-best hypothesis is that he had a heart attack and so – needing both medical assistance and oxygen – he decided to put a pillow over his head.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Feb 16 17:56:29 Getting back to reality, I think he died of natural causes too.
Wrath of Orion Member	Tue Feb 16 19:45:22 rofl, werewolf dictator's written English just improved by something like 1000%... Oops.
Hood Member	Tue Feb 16 19:53:21 WoO, he copied the last few paragraphs from the article he posted.
Wrath of Orion Member	Tue Feb 16 20:12:59 Ah, makes sense. Thanks.
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Feb 16 21:32:02 http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbYsW-8UEAIMvka.jpg
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 18 22:16:08 Rofl #BREAKING Reports: Chicago court to hear case on Ted Cruz's ballot eligibility Friday http://www...f-white-house-ballot/80586608/
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Feb 18 22:52:51 "CHICAGO -- A judge in Cook County Circuit Court will hear testimony Friday in a lawsuit filed by an Illinois voter that alleges Republican presidential hopeful Ted Cruz should not be allowed to run for president." Cool, maybe this will lay the question to rest.
MrPresident07 Member	Fri Feb 19 08:25:10 There is no question. Only crazy.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Feb 19 20:18:26 Donald's closing statement in SC is all optimism "The standout topic, however, was terrorism and national security. Trump repeated – favorably – an apparent myth about how General John Pershing summarily executed dozens of Muslim prisoners in the Philippines with tainted ammunition during a guerilla war against the occupying United States. “He took fifty bullets, and he dipped them in pig’s blood,” Trump said. “And he had his men load his rifles and he lined up the fifty people, and they shot 49 of those people. And the fiftieth person he said ‘You go back to your people and you tell them what happened.’ And for 25 years there wasn’t a problem, okay?” The story appears to be a hoax spread via e-mail forwards, according to rumor tracker Snopes.com, with no evidence it occurred. " http://www...ss-killings-pigs-blood-ammo-sc
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 19 20:42:16 have i noted yet how Trump knows nothing and buys into fake stories easy? i feel like i have... but... here it is again anyway :p
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 19 21:07:57 here's video of his speech: at ~31:45 we've got foam-finger waving for waterboarding, and him saying he wants to go "much much much further" than waterboarding, then the Pershing story at 33:25 http://youtu.be/Uh_fPsFbgMQ?t=31m46s which he claims is in history books
smart dude Member	Mon Feb 22 09:06:34 If vets started selling girl scout cookies, then they would actually be useful for a change.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Feb 22 14:40:07 Cruz firing communications director after another dirty trick exposed (providing a fake transcript to a Rubio video suggesting Rubio insulted the bible)
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Feb 22 18:21:44 Yeah, and Rubio made no such insult.
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Feb 22 18:24:41 how are girl scouts going to be more useful if veterans sell their cookies
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