Utopia Talk / Politics / ISIS takes hostages - in Sydney

Arab Member	Sun Dec 14 17:59:18 http://www.smh.com.au/ This is disgusting, and the fallout on Muslims in Australia is going to be bad.
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Dec 14 18:01:58 Diversity is strength.
Hot Stick Member	Sun Dec 14 18:08:02 "the fallout on Muslims in Australia is going to be bad" Maybe if you Muslims spoke out against your own kind when they commit terrorism and if you people went to Syria to fight terrorists and clean up your own mess then it would be different.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 14 18:31:11 The dudes in Iraq beheading Christian children are probably like "oh come on, stop making us look bad FFS!"
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 14 19:35:31 Nuke mecca.
Aeros Member	Sun Dec 14 21:07:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvzpSvyyZis#t=10 Live feed, but they are not doing anything atm.
Hood Member	Sun Dec 14 21:52:20 I did a double take when I saw that Hot Stick wasn't actually HR.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Dec 14 21:53:03 Arab - This is disgusting, and the fallout on Muslims in Australia is going to be bad. Who gives a shit? Some of your "good" muslims probably were aware of this attack and didn't say a word.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Dec 14 21:55:38 Does that work for you?
Arab Member	Sun Dec 14 22:01:36 You need a bitch slapping, hot rod.
Aeros Member	Sun Dec 14 22:12:50 I've never really understood the logic behind attacks like this. Outrages cause outrage. All they do is encourage the outraged to attack the group you support harder.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Dec 14 22:13:49 You need a terrorist to ram a suicide vest up your ass Arab.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Dec 14 22:16:08 Arab, used to be I was not prejudiced towards peace loving Muslims, but it is getting damned hard to find any.
Arab Member	Sun Dec 14 22:17:10 A severe bitch slapping would do you good, hot rod.
Aeros Member	Sun Dec 14 22:17:30 That is because you are a moron Hot Rod, and you've never actually met a muslim in your life.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Dec 14 22:36:10 I have met a lot of them. More than you probably.
Aeros Member	Sun Dec 14 22:38:50 "More than you probably." Fuck off and die. Unlike you I actually fought a war and didn't play army marching band in Germany while one was on.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 14 23:05:32 Oh snap he just uped your military service, biatch!
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Dec 14 23:06:35 There was no war while I was in the service and I was in ordinance not in a marching band. Hell, I do not know a Fa, La, L from a Do, Re, Mr. BTW, I even have Muslim or two living in my building not to mention all I met in San Francisco and Hawaii. Killing them is not the same as meeting them.
Asgard Member	Sun Dec 14 23:10:46 That's how to get free coffee, 24-7.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Dec 14 23:13:12 If it is any consolation I worked about 50 yards from a 280mm Atomic Cannon and *had* there been a hot war I would have been toast in the first 10 minutes. BTW, what war was in progress from 1956 thru 1959.
Asgard Member	Sun Dec 14 23:13:43 Anyway, to avoid such things from happening again The Australian administration will have to end the occupation of Muslim land and give up Queensland to ISIS. I see a lot of "free queensland" rallies all the time. And news reels of bad Aussie soldiers beating up poor Arab subjects for no reason.
Hot Stick Member	Sun Dec 14 23:21:06 I asked the Muslims in my building to apologize for 9/11, Benghazi and the Boston Marathon bombings and they refused. The Muslims are *NOT* sorry. If they were they would apologize for all of their terrorist attacks and take responsibility for their actions and pay reparations for 9/11
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 14 23:23:04 Arab probably helped plan this (if they find dildoes in the rags house, then we are certain). So the cia should probably interogate him a bit. Although he might volunteer for the anal rehydration.
Aeros Member	Sun Dec 14 23:32:36 "Anyway, to avoid such things from happening again The Australian administration will have to end the occupation of Muslim land and give up Queensland to ISIS." Hilarity aside, all this will probably do is convince Australia its not doing enough to bomb Isis and needs to send more attack fights and special forces.
Asgard Member	Sun Dec 14 23:33:14 Cam, would be cool if you give the Aussie police Arab's IP.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Dec 14 23:38:17 BTW, what war was that again?
Aeros Member	Sun Dec 14 23:55:27 The Fox News one.
obaminated Member	Mon Dec 15 00:48:48 5 hostages have escaped apparently.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 15 02:45:25 Apparently he wants two things at present: 1. A better flag. (ISIS state flag) 2. To speak to the PM.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Dec 15 03:31:50 Aeros, FOX News was at war from 1956 thru 1959? I don't seem to recall that one, must have been on the other side of the world from where I was.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 15 03:40:37 Also apparently only has a shotgun.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Dec 15 03:55:14 CIA: "According to ABC News,[74] former and current CIA officials have come forward to reveal details of interrogation techniques authorized in the CIA. These include: Waterboarding: The prisoner is bound to a declined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Material is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over them, asphyxiating the prisoner. Hypothermia: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees Fahrenheit (10 degrees Celsius), while being regularly doused with cold water in order to increase the rate at which heat is lost from the body. Stress positions: Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor (and/or wall), for more than 40 hours, causing the prisoners' weight to be placed on just one or two muscles. This creates an intense amount of pressure on the legs, leading first to pain and then muscle failure.[75] Abdomen strikes: A hard, open-handed slap is dealt to the prisoner's abdomen. Doctors consulted over the matter advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage. Insult slap: An open-handed slap is delivered to the prisoner's face, aimed at causing pain and triggering fear. Shaking: The interrogator forcefully grabs the front of the prisoner's shirt and shakes them. In December 2007 CIA director Michael Hayden stated that "of about 100 prisoners held to date in the CIA program, the enhanced techniques were used on about 30, and waterboarding used on just three.".[76][77]" MILITARY: The following techniques were being used by the U.S. military:[58][72][89] Yelling Loud music, and light control Environmental manipulation Sleep deprivation/adjustment Stress positions 20-hour interrogations Controlled fear (including use of dogs)"
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Dec 15 03:56:55 Oops, wrong thread. Sorry.
The Children Member	Mon Dec 15 03:58:52 only a shotgun camgaroo? maybe, he wearin a t shirt and a pair of adidas shoes only aswell.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Dec 15 04:12:51 BREAKING: another Siege in Belgium as 4 armed men enter apartment in Ghent - police seal off surrounding area- http://t.co/DnwFXAhHD1
The Children Member	Mon Dec 15 04:33:36 "the fallout on Muslims in Australia is going to be bad. " >> this be true considerin how racists aussies r.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 15 04:38:50 >>only a shotgun camgaroo? << Beats the shit out of an SMG. >> this be true considerin how racists aussies r. << So racist the guy voluntarily went there in the first place.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 15 07:51:46 AN Iranian self-styled sheik who sent offensive letters to the families of dead Diggers and is on bail for accessory to murder was last night holding 15 people hostage in a Sydney cafe. The 49-year-old, who lives in Sydney’s southwest, stormed the Lindt cafe in Martin Place yesterday morning, brandishing a sawn-off shotgun and sparking one of the biggest hostage dramas in the nation’s history. The heart of Australia’s biggest city was locked down and thousands of office workers were evacuated or kept trapped in their buildings after a gunman stormed the Lindt Chocolate Cafe in the CBD about 9.40am. The man, understood to be a fringe Islamist, is understood to have taken about 20 people hostage, a figure that dropped by five after three men and two women fled the cafe into the arms of heavily armed assault police. It is understood they were not released by the gunman but had escaped. One of the remaining hostages was last night identified as an Infosys worker. GALLERY: Sydney siege The gunman, who arrived in Australia as a refugee in 1996, achieved notoriety after he sent letters to the families of Diggers who lost their lives in Afghanistan, accusing them of being murderers. In November last year, he was charged with being an ­accessory before and after the fact to the murder of his ex-wife, who was allegedly stabbed and set alight in her apartment complex. In March, he was charged with sexually and indecently assaulting a young woman in 2002. As police negotiators settled in for a night talking to the man, sources close to the incident urged caution in labelling the attack as one organised or inspired by al-Qa’ida or any similar terrorist group, such as Islamic State. Instead, they painted a picture of an unstable individual well known to NSW Police and the Australian Federal Police and whose moti­vations were not ­entirely clear. TIMELINE: How the siege unfolded NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione last night suggested the siege could last for days. The attack came at the end of a year dominated by terrorism, with the number of Australians seeking to take up arms for terrorist groups overseas, particularly Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, causing concern for security agencies. ASIO recently raised the ­nation’s terror threat level to “high’’, meaning an attack is likely, with police conducting the largest counter-terrorist operation in the country’s history following their discovery of a plot to abduct and behead a member of the public. Increasingly, authorities fear a “lone-wolf” attack by an individual rather than mass casualty event such as the Bali bombings. Yesterday’s incident began when the man wearing a headband inscribed with Arabic script walked into the Martin Place cafe and produced a shotgun. Terrified hostages were forced to hold a black flag bearing the ­inscription of the Shahada — the Muslim profession of faith — against a window, as black-clad teams of assault police and ­horrified members of the public looked on. IN DEPTH: Sydney siege The man is not believed to have any connection to two men ­arrested by counter-terrorism police in Sydney’s northwest yesterday morning. It is understood his main demand was that he be given a platform in the media from which to air his grievances. Several media outlets reported they had been ­approached by hostages for that purpose. The attack nevertheless triggered one of the biggest sieges in the nation’s history, with news and footage of the incident reverberating around the world. NSW Police Deputy Commissioner Catherine Burn said police hoped to resolve the stand-off “peacefully’’. “It might take a bit of time but that is our approach,” Commissioner Burn said. “What we are seeing now is this evolving as a negotiation that the NSW Police is undertaking with the person who is in the premises.” Tony Abbott called on Aus­tralians not to be unnerved by the siege, which NSW Premier Mike Baird admitted had “tested’ the people of Sydney. “The whole point of politically motivated violence is to scare ­people out of being themselves,” the Prime Minister said. “Australia is a peaceful, open, and generous society. Nothing should ever change that, and that’s why I would urge all Australians today to go about their business as usual.” Authorities initially treated the siege as a terrorist attack after two female hostages were forced to hold up an Islamic flag — commonly used by jihadi groups — against the shop’s window shortly after the gunman stormed into the crowded chocolate shop. Television footage shot through the shop window revealed the suspected gunman to be a middle-aged male who appeared to be using a young female employee as a human shield. He was armed with a shotgun and told police he had an improvised explosive device, a claim authorities were unable to verify. PDF: Siege timeline There was confusion over the number of hostages the man held, with early estimates putting the figure at between eight and 13. By nightfall, authorities suspected the true number could be higher, with as many as 20 people initially taken hostage. Journalist Chris Reason, whose Seven Network newsroom is ­located opposite the cafe, said last night he had counted 15 hostages. The Ten Network reported that hostages still inside the cafe had relayed demands from the gunman that an Islamic State of Iraq and Syria flag be brought to the store in exchange for the release of another hostage. The gunman, who demanded to be called “brother”, was also said to be demanding to speak directly to Mr Abbott. Mr Scipione said last night anyone contacted by the gunman or hostages should call the police. The assault on the Lindt store came only hours after police ­arrested a man in the northern Sydney suburb of Beecroft on ­terrorism-related charges, but Mr Scipione said there was no evidence the incidents were linked. The siege brought central Sydney to a halt, forcing businesses to close and causing traffic chaos as rumours swirled that other attacks might be imminent. The Opera House was evacuated and sealed off, although police said there was no threat to the Sydney landmark. http://www...r/story-fnqxbywy-1227157361055
williamthebastard Member	Mon Dec 15 08:03:44 I guess its the new thing now that school shootings are old hat.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Dec 15 08:47:11 Doesn't Sydney have any sharpshooters? He has exposed himself, why not take him out?
The Children Member	Mon Dec 15 09:18:01 noob, i have 2 shotgun classes in modern warfare 3 and in black ops 2. i own ppl with it. always the highests scores bitch.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Dec 15 09:24:31 Looks like it's over, but with injuries. The Aussies went in with guns blazing. About 30 seconds at least of automatic gunfire.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 15 09:28:22 >>noob, i have 2 shotgun classes in modern warfare 3 and in black ops 2. i own ppl with it. always the highests scores bitch. << That's.... Nice... >>Looks like it's over, but with injuries. The Aussies went in with guns blazing. About 30 seconds at least of automatic gunfire. << So they have. Missed that. Watching here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/
Rugian Member	Mon Dec 15 09:30:53 What the fuck TC.
The Children Member	Mon Dec 15 09:34:00 no not wtf bitch. nottin wtf. it simply is the truth. shotguns own. the only thing u cannot do is shoot from afar. camp noobs and snipers will own u. but in close range, none of them can stop u. u aim, they aim, they drop. period.
Rugian Member	Mon Dec 15 09:36:03 I'm honestly at a loss for words. I don't even know what to say to that. I...I'm just going to leave this thread now. Bye bye.
Fred Felcher Member	Mon Dec 15 11:14:04 " BTW, what war was in progress from 1956 thru 1959. " The war on my mothers peehole. My dad was thrashing that shit constantly and I was born in 1957.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Dec 15 11:21:17 The terrorist and one hostage dead. four or five hostages wounded.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 15 11:51:53 From the looks of things, really just a sad loser with delusions of grandeur.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Dec 15 12:08:35 The Aussie Special Forces are the ones that forced entry from what I'm hearing. I still don't understand why the didn't take him out with a sniper.
Aeros Member	Mon Dec 15 12:30:12 This is why everyone who wants to go fight for ISIS should be allowed to leave the country. So they can then be safely droned on the battlefield.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 15 12:33:25 Problem is they might come back. Otherwise no problem.
pillz Member	Mon Dec 15 12:33:53 So your options are 1) Stop fighting in the middle-east and let them emigrate there peacefully or 2) continue bombing the middle-east and drone your own civilians for doing something you dont like
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 15 13:35:55 Why do the ISIS bother with Australia? I don't get it. Why won't they begin the conquest of Jerusalem already?
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 15 13:39:22 "Aeros Member Mon Dec 15 12:30:12 This is why everyone who wants to go fight for ISIS should be allowed to leave the country. So they can then be safely droned on the battlefield." Yeah, I don't know why our Western countries tries to stop our muslim immigrants from going to Syria and fight. Let them go if they really wish. But if they leave to join ISIS we should ban them from returning to Europe.
Dakyron Member	Mon Dec 15 13:41:58 So the guy was on trial for killing his ex-wife and setting her on fire, and was just charged with sexually assaulting another woman, and they STILL granted him bail? WTF Australia? Get your shit together.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 15 13:52:41 >>Yeah, I don't know why our Western countries tries to stop our muslim immigrants from going to Syria and fight. Let them go if they really wish. But if they leave to join ISIS we should ban them from returning to Europe.<< Europe's border controls suck. Just look at the "refugees" who are attempting to run for their lives from France. >>So the guy was on trial for killing his ex-wife and setting her on fire, and was just charged with sexually assaulting another woman, and they STILL granted him bail? WTF Australia? Get your shit together.<< Yeah, pretty much.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 15 14:10:50 'Adam Houda, a well-known Sydney solicitor who had represented Man Haron Monis, is the latest in a long line of people to question the dead gunman's sanity, describing him as "mad as a cut snake".' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-australia-30475711
Sam Adams Member	Mon Dec 15 14:34:17 "and they STILL granted him bail?" Liberal justice system in action. Only the innocent are punished when the guilty are set free.
Rugian Member	Mon Dec 15 15:18:17 And meanwhile, the law-abiding population is not allowed to own most types of firearms. Because, you know, any one of them could use them for nefarious purposes. But if someone DOES commit a crime, then you go super lenient with their punishment. Fantastic.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Dec 15 15:27:50 expect more hostage taking with all the press this is getting
roland Member	Wed Dec 17 00:24:28 "Prome Minister Tony Abbott has suggested that firearm laws may need to be changed as he said that the Martin Place gunman had a gun licence despite having a long criminal history that included being out on bail for being an accessory to murder. As he announced an urgent review into the Martin Place siege that took the lives of two hostages, on Wednesday, Mr Abbott said that while he had great confidence in Australia's police and security agencies, there was a need to reflect on what could have been done better. He said gunman Man Haron Monis had a licence for his gun and questioned existing gun laws, saying: "there are questions to be asked when someone with such a history of infatuation with extremism, violent crime and mental instability should be in possession of a gun licence"."
Arab Member	Wed Dec 17 01:35:14 He had a gun license? WTF???
roland Member	Wed Dec 17 01:49:32 that is what he said.
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