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Aeros Member	Thu Sep 11 16:42:37 http://www...nors-race-a-tale-of-two-states In Kansas Governor's Race, A Tale Of Two States Kansas has become such a reliably red state that when election years roll around, the result seems a foregone conclusion. This is not one of those years. The state's Republican Gov. Sam Brownback is running for reelection. But big tax cuts he championed have left Kansas with a serious budget problem. And for months now, polls have shown Brownback consistently running well behind his democratic challenger. This isn't your typical incumbent-in-trouble story. In office, he's done exactly what he said he would. But many, many voters aren't happy, including a lot of Republicans. Take Hutchinson resident Mark Richardson, who has a long history of supporting Brownback – as a U.S. Senator, and as Governor. But this year: "Who am I going to vote for? I'm not going to say yet." The Democrat in the race is Paul Davis, who is currently the minority leader in the Kansas House of Representatives. Davis is not well known statewide, but polls show him benefiting from widespread disapproval of Brownback. Some of the loudest complaints have come from moderate Republicans. This summer, 104 Republicans — current and former Kansas officials – held a press conference to endorse Davis. Republican Carol Ruppe Linnens, a former state school board member, was there, and she opposes Brownback. "In his very first legislative session he made the largest cut to our schools in state history and then had the nerve to call it a victory for our state," she says. Brownback argues that he has increased total funding to schools, noting that it's 52% of the state budget. But his critics point out that per-pupil spending is down significantly. There've been cuts to programs, larger class sizes, teachers working longer hours, and local school boards are just trying to cope. And in the coming years, projections put state budget shortfalls in the hundreds of millions annually. Jeffrey Jarmon, a political analyst at Wichita State University, says Brownback ran on a platform to cut taxes in the state, and that's what he did. "He got legislators on board with that, put other legislators in place to support that policy. And now the economic issues the state faces are a result of that and that's really what this election is deciding," Jarmon says. Brownback's position is simple: Kansas is doing quite well, thank you, and his critics distort the facts. In the closing line of his latest campaign ad, he tries to drive that home: "The sun is shining in Kansas and don't let anybody tell you any different." In the first gubernatorial debate recently at the Kansas State Fair, Brownback addressed the state's economic issues. "Our unemployment rate is 4.9% We have a record number of Kansans working. We have the fastest growing economy in the region and more new business created than ever in the history of the state," he said. But Democrat Paul Davis countered with a darker view of things under Brownback, saying the deficit is projected to hit $1.3 billion in 5 years: "Our credit rating has been downgraded three times. We're 45th in the nation in new business creation. In 2013, more businesses closed up shop than opened shop. It's because we have an economic experiment that isn't working. Let's return to a proven Kansas model of growing our economy, and that's how we're going to help Kansas." Working in Brownback's favor is the fact that Republicans outnumber Democrats in the state by nearly 2-1. But there are lots of independents. And while they tend to vote overwhelmingly Republican, it's not at all certain they will this time. Leaving Brownback, who got just about everything he wanted in his first term, just 8 weeks convince a wary public that it's what they wanted too.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Sep 11 17:04:09 when democrats raise taxes too much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Sep 11 17:12:02 You can buy a house in Detroit now for $1.00 plus conditions.
Hrothgar Member	Thu Sep 11 17:37:10 There is obviously a line of sanity in either direction that should not be crossed, and is harmful to the economy either way. Raise taxes too much and you drive down the economy by taking all the excess spending money away from citizens. (Health care costs are currently our "too much tax" taking too much money away, but that's another story). Lower the taxes too much and you fall into massive government debt, which shakes confidence in the system and also drives down economic growth when no one dares try to venture into business under an unsustainable government situation. When the government doesn't feel stable, few things will flourish economically.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Sep 11 17:38:34 Taxes were pretty high during WW2 and yet the economy thrived.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Sep 11 19:11:25 That is because we had 16 million in uniform and the women were all building bombs and bullets.
patom Member	Thu Sep 11 19:57:11 Actually they don't cut taxes. They just cut one source of taxes for headlines but force those least equipped to pay higher taxes in other areas. Smoke and mirrors.
Aeros Member	Thu Sep 11 20:51:23 "There is obviously a line of sanity in either direction that should not be crossed" Pretty much this. I don't believe in confiscatory taxation, but I also don't believe in taxation so low that the government can no longer function. This may be news to some people, but business requires a working government to do business. They need educated employees (courtesy of the public schools) to hire, they need good transportation to get said employees to work and their product out to wherever they sell it, they need police to make sure their stuff is protected from theft, they need courts to enforce their trademark protections and contracts, they need utilities to power their offices/factories, and most important of all, they need continuity without radical changes either one way or another. You cut taxes drastically, or raise taxes drastically and both negatively affects business. Doing both will over the long run radically decrease tax revenue, leading to a non-functional government and a climate of uncertainty no business can function in.
Aeros Member	Thu Sep 11 20:55:05 Also, the fall of Detroit is less about economic policy, and more about the fact that it was essentially a company town run by General Motors, and when General Motors left, there was nothing to replace it.
dakyron Member	Thu Sep 11 21:35:39 Fall of Detroit was white flight out of the city.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Sep 11 22:02:56 GM left because of unions and taxes
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Sep 11 23:09:30 GM left because they made shitty cars and slow to react to the changing times.
Aeros Member	Thu Sep 11 23:19:48 ^this^
Cloud Strife Member	Thu Sep 11 23:20:45 GM makes fine cars. Fine cars indeed.
Hrothgar Member	Thu Sep 11 23:28:03 Fine now is not fine in the 80s and 90s.
Cloud Strife Member	Thu Sep 11 23:32:48 you must be thinking of fords
Aeros Member	Thu Sep 11 23:42:45 Any American car in the 80's or 90s honestly
Sam Adams Member	Thu Sep 11 23:45:59 Unions were a large part of the general incompetency at gm. Also, the rise of african crime in detroit vclearly predates the fall of gm
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Sep 11 23:53:23 Brownback was right to call this a "real live experiment in red-state governance". A spectacular bombing. Also lol @ Arthur Laffer. ----------------- "..As he runs for reelection, Brownback is finding that what he once called a “real live experiment” in red-state governance is struggling to produce the benefits he had promised, spurring an increasingly competitive gubernatorial race against state House Minority Leader Paul Davis (D). His troubles also provide a case study of what can happen when single-party control — now the norm in most states — combines with the sharp rightward shift of the Republican Party. After his election, Brownback, who was a U.S. senator for 14 years and a 2008 presidential candidate, quickly moved to consolidate conservative power in the state by successfully challenging more moderate Republicans. Advised by Arthur Laffer, the father of supply-side economics, and supported by special interest groups backed by conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, he pushed through legislation that cut taxes and spending, eliminated state jobs and denied far more applications for welfare assistance — not to mention that he tightened abortion regulations and loosened gun rules. Brownback promised that the efforts would drive economic growth, create jobs and stabilize the Kansas budget. But the state is now reporting a more than $300 million revenue shortfall. The poverty rate increased. The state’s economy expanded a total of 2.3 percent in inflation-adjusted terms over the past two years, half the rate of its four neighbors. And Kansas’s credit rating has been downgraded." http://www...4-8936-26932bcfd6ed_story.html
patom Member	Fri Sep 12 06:07:01 In Maine, the first 2 years of Governor LePage and Republican controlled legislature. They pushed through big income tax cuts totaling $400 million. They then complained that there was a budget shortfall of $400 million. The governor cut all sorts of things including revenue sharing to towns and cities that they depended on to run their schools and community services. They complained and he told them to just cut out services. The result was big increases in property tax in order to maintain essential services.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Sep 29 03:41:00 State of kansas comes up with the idea of auctioning dildos to help balance the books, I guess this is a logical conclusion to the "real live experiment in red-state governance" ------------------------------- What's the matter with Kansas? Sex toys. Posted By David Ramsey on Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:39 PM You might remember that far-right Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback boasted that his state would be a "red-state model." He would slash taxes and prosperity would rain down! Brownback said the cuts would add a "shot of adrenaline" and that Kansas would be a "real, live experiment," showcasing to the rest of the country the economic growth just waiting to happen if only taxes were cut on the rich. Instead: the real, live experiment has been a disaster. The state is in fiscal crisis. Jobs and economic growth went in the tank. Contra the predictions of voodoo-economics gurus like Arthur Laffer, the massive tax cuts led to crippling shortfalls in revenues. Moody's and Standard & Poor's both cut the state's credit rating. The fall in revenue has led to alarming cuts to public schools, with even bigger cuts likely coming as the state has burned through its once-large surplus at alarming speed. Yikes! What's a failed red-state experiment to do? Here's a novel idea: The state has hatched a plan to auction off thousands of sex toys seized for nonpayment of taxes. The Topeka Capital-Journal reports: 'Online shoppers for adult DVDs, novelty items, clothing and other products can participate in a bonanza shopping experience resulting from the four-county raid on a Kansas company known as United Outlets LLC. ... The online site lists about 400 lots — individual lots can contain dozens of items — that include the Pipedream Fantasy Love Swing, books, hundreds of DVDs, sex and drinking games, a wide assortment of sexually oriented equipment, carrying cases for devices, the Glass Pleasure Wand, bundles of lingerie and the Cyberskin Foot Stroker. One of the lots contained 50 “premium” vibrators and a teddy bear. The bidding was at $10. Also available: two sets of sparkling sequin lounge pants, sizes large and small, as well as the Good Girl, Bad Girl Wrist Cuffs. “What is different is the titillation factor of what we're selling,” said Jeannine Koranda, spokeswoman for the Kansas revenue department. “This is an unusual lot of items.”' "Our place, Kansas, will show the path, the difficult path, for America to go in these troubled times," Brownback said back in 2012. He was talking about his massive tax cuts, but maybe the difficult path in these trouble times is the way of the Glass Pleasure Wand. Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. http://www...he-matter-with-kansas-sex-toys
Forwyn Member	Mon Sep 29 10:13:57 "essential services" Things we got by without for decades and centuries, but now bitchy first-worlders can't do without.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Sep 29 10:19:22 Is that bad that we now have central plumbing and don't shit from the window on the street below? if yes, then count me in as a bitchy first-worlder.
Forwyn Member	Mon Sep 29 10:21:50 Your utilities are provided by your municipality? That's news to me, because all my municipality does is give my shitty utility providers an enforced monopoly.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Sep 29 10:23:47 I think refuse collection is an essential service, no?
Forwyn Member	Mon Sep 29 10:49:59 Sure, because when people talk about cuts, they mean the 10 bucks a month they spend to get shit out of their house. CR troll level = Master
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Sep 29 10:52:32 No idea what you are talking about, you started with some essential services cuts. Who knows what you were trying to say
Forwyn Member	Mon Sep 29 11:12:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_services The following may be considered to be essential services: the hospital sector - private electricity services - private water supply services private the telephone service - landlines? who gives a shit? the police and the armed forces - no, police don't need tanks, and no, we don't need over 600 bases in over 150 countries the fire-fighting services hell, you can cut pigs by 50% and increase firefighters, idgaf public or private prison services - you can cut prison services by at least 25% by eliminating victimless crimes the provision of food to pupils of school age and the cleaning of schools - fine by me, but don't fine parents because they didn't stick a stack of ritz crackers in their lunchbox air traffic control - one of the few things I don't mind increasing - you can make sweeping cuts to the TSA to cover those costs
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Sep 29 11:21:06 Well, if shit removal is not an essential service then I was off base with my first worlder complains
Forwyn Member	Mon Sep 29 11:27:04 I, for one, would consider shit removal to be more important than raiding college kids' homes for pot.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 14:12:54 So the "real live experiment in red-state governance" continues and this is how bad it got. Republican governor BLAMES republican legislature for budget-busting tax cuts ------------------------------------------ Gov. Brownback Blames State Legislature For Deep Tax Cuts Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) seemed to blame Kansas' state legislature for the impact of deep tax cuts Brownback signed into law two years ago. "I proposed a flat tax with a small budget accelerator," Brownback said Friday during an address to the Great Topeka Chamber of Commerce, according to The Topeka Capital-Journal. "What I got from the Legislature was a naked tax cut with none of the pay-fors." Brownback added that he "took it because it was the best we were going to get." Brownback's comments are some of the latest acknowledgements Brownback has made that those tax cuts have had a less than idea result —Kansas is projected to have a budget deficit of $280 million this year and $436 million next year. Earlier in the month Brownback announced that he would consider raising taxes in order to fill the budget gap. Brownback's latest budget plan proposes raising taxes on cigarettes and liquor. http://tal...ck-kansas-legislature-tax-cuts
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 14:17:13 "this is how bad it got. Republican governor BLAMES republican legislature for budget-busting tax cuts" Is there a reason why you are implying that this sort of intra-party conflict within a state is somehow unprecedented? I can link some articles about Democratic politicians in Massachusetts going at each other. This sort of thing is common where a single party effectively rules unopposed.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 14:20:38 Also, fuck sin taxes.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 14:23:53 "Is there a reason why you are implying that this sort of intra-party conflict within a state is somehow unprecedented? " Republicans blaming anyone for tax cuts, instead of fighting to take credit is what unprecendented
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 14:27:00 I realize that politics, especially at the national level, is dumbed down to being little more than "X PARTY GOOD, Y PARTY BAD, GRRRRR!!!!," but policy is a bit more nuanced than that, and any philosophy can be taken too far, even if it is generally good.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 14:30:49 Bring on the nuances then, contribute. The party of tax cuts cuts taxes and then faced with budget predictable shortfall, blames tax cutters. I welcome any nuance you can come up with.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 14:36:01 You can reduce taxes - to an extent. The nuance is the latter part. If you're looking for exact numbers, well I don't have those.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Jan 26 14:37:19 Laffer does. You simply draw a curve and when it dips, thats proof that taxes kill.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 14:38:03 Is that the nuance you feel is missing from my post? What about also saying that you can increase taxes - to an extent? I think my post also lacks this particular nuance. What do you think?
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 14:41:08 http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=54353 Prediction of Kansas budget woes posted by Rugian's favorite poster on the day Kansas dumbass governor signed the tax cuts bill. I only hope it was well nuanced
obaminated Member	Mon Jan 26 14:43:06 Whatever happened to Chen?
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 14:44:53 chen was never a frequent poster iirc
patom Member	Mon Jan 26 14:47:42 Keep on cutting. Cut it right to the bone. Cut welfare, hell eliminate it. Except for corporate welfare. Cut infrastructure maintenance we want the bridges to collapse so that we can build new ones with no bid contracts, due to the emergency status. Some serious money can be made there. Hell the Halliburtons of the world will love that. Cut anything that could be construed as improving life better for the majority of Americans. China is more than willing to foot the bill for everything. I wonder what strings they will attach.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 14:48:56 Like I said, when there's no credible opposition to speak of within a state, the ruling party will often descend into infighting when something goes wrong. There's little that's unprecedented about this, at least at the state level. And I miss chen, that slinty-eyed Masshole.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 14:51:13 It is not the infighting that matters, it is the subject of infighting. Can you come up with some instances where contemporary republican party blames anyone for cutting taxes and causing budget deficits?
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 14:52:53 Even in that thread that the fascist piece of shit started, it was made clear that these cuts weren't popular in a major part of the party. The problem wasn't that cuts were suggested, it was that the cutting went too far.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 14:55:18 I think we can all agree that, at a minimum, a state government should generate enough revenue to pay for departments and programs that it plans to maintain, and for employees to staff those departments and programs.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 14:55:35 Budget shortfall was entirely predictable and predicted. The lol part is these clowns trying to blame each other.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 14:59:51 Eh, Kansas experimented with some radical tax reduction scheme, it failed, now they correct it and learn from their mistake. Consequences are limited because Kansas has about 200 people. Such is the joy of states' rights.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 15:02:23 One more thing that needs to be mentioned is that these tax cuts also failed to bring economic growth, in addition to busting Kansas budget, as neighboring states all pretty much outperformed kansas at growth and other indicators. Finally, I have a 100% confidence in saying that this "real live experiment in red-state governance" will have almost zero impact on the republican party. Never discouraged by facts and data, they will continue to insist that all taxes bring more revenues and more economic growth at all times. Well, federal republicans for sure, maybe state GOPers will be more careful
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 15:13:07 Oh, fuck off with that partisan hackery shit. As if the Democrats are these unbiased wise men who objectively analyze all data before arriving at a sensible conclusion. Neither party does this. Both parties are fundamentally driven by philosophy, not facts. One wants a government that is involved in practically every aspect of a person's life in order to ensure their maximum comfort, and the other wants a government that leaves you alone and doesn't lift a finger if you fail on your own merits. Any facts presented by either side are just there to support their respective philosophies.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 15:19:54 Bitch, post examples of modern Dem party disregarding facts and data, we'll laugh at them together.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 15:22:31 Yeah, you're really overestimating the Democrats here. Try their insistence on an assault weapons ban, what are the facts and data to support their strong push for that?
williamthebastard Member	Mon Jan 26 15:25:56 comparing guns from state to state is idiocy. Which state was it that was going to sue its neighbor for allowing cannabis which promptly then engulfed its neighboring states? I have a US buddy who can cross into two other states within an hour. Banning guns in one little area that is surrounded by states with guns is never going to achieve or prove a single thing. Gun control at the national level is a different matter.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 15:28:00 You got any evidence indicating that AWB is making things worse in crime department? At best you can claim that the ban didn't bring benefits and the other side will argue otherwise. The effects of tax cuts on revenues are textbook clear.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 15:37:34 williamthebastard Member Mon Jan 26 15:25:56 "comparing guns from state to state is idiocy. Which state was it that was going to sue its neighbor for allowing cannabis which promptly then engulfed its neighboring states? I have a US buddy who can cross into two other states within an hour. Banning guns in one little area that is surrounded by states with guns is never going to achieve or prove a single thing. Gun control at the national level is a different matter." Oof. First of all, I'm not sure what this has to do with the argument at hand. Second, most states aren't "little areas." Some of them are even larger than a lot of European countries, yet I don't see this same argument that you should dissolve national sovereignty and decision-making in Europe because the countries are too small. Third, I'm not sure why national, in contrast to state, borders are considered to be some magical barrier through which no illegal materials can pass. It's not like California and Mexico are immune from the policies that the other entity implements. Fourth, criminals can get guns or weed regardless of national or state laws. It's law-abiding citizens that are the ones affected by such policies.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 26 15:39:16 CrownRoyal Member Mon Jan 26 15:28:00 At best you can claim that the ban didn't bring benefits So why would a sensible party insist on passing it? Especially when a large segment of the population actively opposes it. And again, what facts do you have to support the constant push the Dems make for this? What makes "assault weapons" so horrendously awful that the Dems incessantly expend significant amounts of political capital and funds to oppose? Being that this is the wise party of rational individuals and all.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 15:41:07 "So why would a sensible party insist on passing it? " Most moved on http://www...ay-from-an-assault-weapons-ban "Especially when a large segment of the population actively opposes it." How large? Not that it has anything to do with anything, I just want to now how large.
Fred Felcher Member	Mon Jan 26 15:42:17 " Also, fuck sin taxes. " File a fucking class action lawsuit with the court since a "sin tax" should only have to be paid by religious fucks since sin is a religious concept. And since religion and state are to be separate, sin taxes should be illegal.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 15:43:26 59% Favor Assault Weapons Ban; 18% Want Handgun Ban, Too Thursday, January 02, 2014 Most voters still favor a ban on semi-automatic and assault-type weapons but strongly oppose outlawing handguns in the United States. Seven-out-of-10 would feel safer living a neighborhood where individuals could own a gun for self-defense. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 59% of Likely U.S. Voters think there should be a ban on the purchase of semi-automatic and assault-type weapons. Thirty-three percent (33%) disagree. (To see survey question wording, click here.) cont http://www...ns_ban_18_want_handgun_ban_too Again, stupid policy is stupid policy, popularity is irrelevant. But it seems to me Dems moved on from ABW.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 26 15:51:48 I am 100% sure that I can find a quote for 100% of republican congressmen and senators saying that tax cuts are great (without any qualifications that often such cuts bust budgets). Just name that fed GoPer, I'll find it. On the other hand, I am pretty confident that a majority of Dem fed legislators are not on record calling for AWB, especially after the first one expired. So, your comparison of Dems also disregarding data is a stretch
williamthebastard Member	Mon Jan 26 16:02:48 Rugian, because when gun control also controls the neighboring countries across a whole continent, you get a hugely different result, as all stats show. However, if Soctoland was surrounded by countries with no gun control, scotland would see (indisputably and obviously) a dramatic increase in guns. One state with gun control surrounded by states swamped in guns is completely pointless and givesd us no information whatsoever on the success or failures of gun control in itself.
williamthebastard Member	Mon Jan 26 16:03:02 Soctoland = scotland
williamthebastard Member	Mon Jan 26 16:18:49 One state with gun control surrounded by states awash in guns will likely give the exact opposite of the desired result, in fact. Criminals who can nip over to the next state to get a gun against unarmed civilians is a recipe for disaster.
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Jan 27 10:10:05 Oh, the shitstorm is full on now.. ------------------------------------------- New Kansas job figures reveal another failure for Sam Brownback’s tax cuts The final Kansas job figures are in for 2014, and Gov. Sam Brownback’s costly income tax cut “experiment” has laid another egg. Total nonfarm employment climbed only 1,700 people in December, according to Tuesday’s release of figures from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Overall, that means Kansas added a meager 12,800 jobs from December 2013 to December 2014, or barely more than 1,000 a month. That’s a puny growth rate of .9 percent, one of the lowest in the BLS data for 2014. For comparison’s sake, take a look at Kansas’ Midwestern neighbors: ▪ Colorado’s total employment was up 2.6 percent for the year. ▪ Oklahoma gained 2.2 percent. ▪ Missouri added 1.6 percent. ▪ Nebraska was up .8 percent. The BLS figures showed that Brownback’s much-trumpeted bid to boost private sector jobs also hasn’t gone nearly as well as hoped. The state added 12,800 private sector jobs from December 2013 to December 2014, the same total as nonfarm employment, because local and state government jobs were flat for the year. The BLS also announced that Kansas’ unemployment rate for December was 4.2 percent, below the national 5.6 percent mark. Brownback allies like to trumpet that fact. However, other nearby states are even lower. Colorado and Oklahoma were both at 4.2 percent and adding jobs far faster than Kansas. Nebraska was at 2.9 percent. So much for Brownback’s promise from 2012 all the way through his re-election campaign last fall,when he said jobs would flock to Kansas after he and the Legislature approved income tax reductions that took effect in January of 2013. Through November, the state’s employment growth rate of 5.5 percent in private sector jobs had trailed 33 other states and Washington, D.C. Even worse, Kansas’ growth rate had fallen behind 37 other states and D.C. in the last two years after Brownback’s income tax cuts took effect in January of 2013. As it turns out, Brownback’s recent promise of 100,000 new private sector jobs in his next four years seems to be unrealistic. That’s because the state would need to create 2,100 jobs a month while it’s been averaging close to 1,300 a month for his first four years in office. In addition, high-tax states have been generating employment at a faster clip than the Sunflower State for the last two years — exactly as long as the tax cuts have been in place. Brownback has had a difficult time in recent days, ever since he proposed tax increases on cigarettes and alcohol, and conceded he wanted to basically halt the decline in income tax rates. The state faces a huge deficit of $280 million that has to be closed by June 30 — and an even larger one of around $650 million in the coming fiscal year that begins July 1. Anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist recently criticized Brownback, saying, “A pack-a-day smoker would end up paying an extra $547.50 in taxes a year. Kansans living along the Missouri border may opt to avoid the tax altogether by purchasing their tobacco products in Missouri — where the tax would be lower. If consumers flock to businesses across state lines, they may make other purchases while shopping for tobacco — hurting the bottom lines of Kansas retailers.” Summed up: Brownback’s getting hit from all sides these days, mostly because the income tax cuts he championed have not worked out as he promised. Read more here: http://www...icle8227599.html#storylink=cpy
williamthebastard Member	Tue Jan 27 10:58:08 Norqvist is completely correct. Brownback hasnt slashed taxes *enough*, THAT'S the problem. I mean, look at him trying to hike up tobacco and liqor taxes! Enough with these tax-loving librals, cheap cigs are way more important than unemployment, social functions, state deficits, paying for roads, bridges, sewers, health etc, because cheap cigs equals *freedom*!!!
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jan 28 18:13:05 Hilarity continues, as Arthur Laffer claims he has no idea why Kansas deficits went up after huge tax cut for the wealthy. Yes, really http://www...steve-rose/article7024256.html
pillz Member	Wed Jan 28 18:18:00 "▪ Colorado’s total employment was up 2.6 percent for the year. " So either a whole lot of people are being hired in grow ops and dispensaries, or weed does not destroy society by making them lazy, unemployed welfare leeches. Can't wait for the federal ban!
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Aug 22 19:28:15 AUGUST 21, 2015 Kansas jobs plummet in latest disaster for Sam Brownback’s tax-cut strategy Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback has been — and waiting — for his 2012 tax cuts to spur a sustained growth in new jobs. This has been a bad week for Gov. Sam Brownback and others who believe his massive income tax cuts are going to dramatically boost employment in the state. ▪ A new report Friday showed that Kansas had lost a whopping 4,300 jobs in July from a month earlier. The unemployment rate climbed for the fourth straight month, up to 4.6 percent, according to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. And look at this disastrous note: The Sunflower State now has 1,700 fewer jobs than it did at the start of 2015. One more fact from the latest report shows that Kansas has added a puny 5,600 total jobs in the last year — from July 2014 to July 2015. The new information shows that the tax cuts that have drained the Kansas treasury of hundreds of millions of dollars the past two years are not working to attract employers and jobs. Meanwhile, Missouri celebrated much better news in the latest BLS report. The Show-Me State gained 11,900 jobs in July, and now has added 30,900 for 2015. Yes, that’s without the huge tax cuts that Brownback and Co. put in place. ▪ Earlier this week, a separate report showed Kansas is missing out on the growth in manufacturing employment, which is happening across much of the rest of America. One key statistic: Kansas lost 39,000 manufacturing jobs during the recession but has added just 4,000 since it ended. So what left-wing, lib group put that news out? Actually, it came from the Governor’s Council of Economic Advisers, established in 2011 by Brownback “to track the health of the state’s economy and advise him on economic policy.” The state lost 39,000 manufacturing jobs during the recession and has gained back only about 4,000. Overall, Kansas has had one of the worst rates of employment growth in the nation in the last year, even as the tax cuts continue to cut into funding available for schools, roads and other basic services in the state. Read more here: http://www...cle31716450.html#storylink=cpy
Aeros Member	Sat Aug 22 20:48:30 Why do so many ostensibly smart people believe the larger curve is anything less then nonsense?
Aeros Member	Sat Aug 22 20:49:01 Laffer. God damn phone.
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