Utopia Talk / Politics / Obama Was Not In The Situation Room

Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 03 08:23:09 Don't you think he should have been? With demonstrations going on throughout the Middle East and an attack on Benghazi was not in The Situation Room. That is where he should have been in order to make necessary decisions, that evidently no one else took the responsibility to make. Posted on May 1, 2014 Fmr. NSC Spokesman Tommy Vietor: Obama Was Not In The Situation Room During Benghazi Attack (VIDEO) BRET BAIER: People on the ground testified that they knew where the ambassador was, that they were military in their precision. It was not guys coming to protest. They had mortars and heavy weapons. TOMMY VIETOR: Bret, a couple of things. I was in the Situation Room that night, okay. We didn't know where the ambassador was definitively. BAIER: Was the president in the Situation Room? VIETOR: No. And the fact that your network at one time reported that he watched video feed of the attack as it was ongoing is part of what I think is a pattern of inaccurate -- BAIER: Where was the president? VIETOR: In the White House. Let me finish my initial statement. The notion that we could, you know, divine motives from a drone feed I think is wrong. And I also think this idea that the military had the capability to rescue those individuals but chose not to is I think extremely unfair to the military. And Admiral Mullen said basically the opposite. BAIER: In the ARB report. VIETOR: Right. BAIER: Where was the president? VIETOR: In the White House. BAIER: He wasn't in the Situation Room? VIETOR: At what point in the evening? BAIER: Any point in the evening. VIETOR: It's well known that when the attack was first briefed to him it was in the Oval Office and he was updated constantly. And during that briefing he told Tom Donilon and his Joint Chiefs and Sec Def to begin moving all military assets into the region. BAIER: So when Hillary Clinton talks to him at 10:00 p.m., he's where? VIETOR: I don't know. I don't have a tracking device on him in the residence. BAIER: But you were in the Situation Room and he wasn't there. VIETOR: Yes, I was in the White House. BAIER: And the president wasn't in the Situation Room? VIETOR: Not in the room I was in. Let's just be clear. You don't have to be in the Situation Room to monitor an intelligence situation. The PDB is in the Oval Office. http://www...om_during_benghazi_attack.html
roland Member	Sat May 03 08:30:15 Benghazi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chuck Member	Sat May 03 08:36:27 This just gets my blood boiling. How dare he?
roland Member	Sat May 03 08:39:26 Do you know he doesnt always sleep on his bed, sometime he likes to sleep on the soda?
TJ Member	Sat May 03 08:45:18 Plausible deniability is a term coined by the CIA in the early 1960s to describe the withholding of information from senior officials in order to protect. ;)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 03 09:30:02 seems like Baier had a one track mind in that questioning... or just had a stroke maybe
murder Member	Sat May 03 09:36:35 "Don't you think he should have been?" I can't decide. I'm not in the situation room.
Fred Felcher Member	Sat May 03 09:45:26 "Don't you think he should have been?" Yes, just like Bush and Cheney during 9/11. Oh wait..........
Fred Felcher Member	Sat May 03 09:48:03 From the OP. "You don't have to be in the Situation Room to monitor an intelligence situation." pwnt
CrownRoyal Member	Sat May 03 09:51:18 http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3246847 GWB was in Situation Room during each of the 13 Benghazis on his watch. And Fox was ON IT.
chuck Member	Sat May 03 10:04:38 ^LOL
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 03 13:18:46 roland, are you saying he sleeps with his coke? TJ, he was being briefed about the situation. tumbleweed, that was about one minute of the interview, which was indeed about Benghazi. murder, men were dying. There were wide spread demonstrations that could have blown up at any tim, plus on full scale attack. There were two drones feeding images to the situation room. Eyes on the screen is more important than a briefing. Fred, Bush went to straight to The White House even though his aides wanted him to go to Colorado. Fred, see above about eyes on the screen. cr, I don't have time to research that. Are you saying Bush did not give those incidents a though? I will never understand why you people will never, ever, never admit that Obama could do no wrong. The little boys was correct, the emperor wore no clothes.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 03 13:23:04 *-boy
CrownRoyal Member	Sat May 03 13:25:28 "cr, I don't have time to research that. Are you saying Bush did not give those incidents a though? " You haven't seen Fox News discussing these 13 incidents, and Bush presence in the Situation Room during them in length? Now, this is just weird.
TJ Member	Sat May 03 14:25:28 "TJ, he was being briefed about the situation." HR, If the government was concerned about deaths the world would be much different. Stripes on the same zebra doesn't change what the zebra is or does. The government use suicide soldiers daily. It is all perspective and we the people really don't count in the equation of past and current administrations. They have their agenda and nothing will change the action. You are a pastime, we are a pastime, all of us are a pastime excuse and not a reason. Don't stroke out over things beyond your control. Plausible deniability
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 03 14:34:48 TJ, isn't this the first time we have had a suicide ambassador? cr, OK. Now show us the Bush coverups of those attacks. As for FOX News, those attacks were years ago. I'm not sure if FOX covered them or not.
Average Ameriacn Member	Sat May 03 14:36:44 Obama is no Reagan: http://www...hotographs/large/c34348-20.jpg "C34348-20, President Reagan being briefed by the National Security Council staff on the Libya air strike in the White House Situation Room (left to right) President, George Shultz, William Casey, Don Regan, General Charles Gabriel. 4/15/86."
CrownRoyal Member	Sat May 03 14:49:11 "cr, OK. Now show us the Bush coverups of those attacks." What? Blasphemy. I never thought for a second that Bush covered up those attacks. What is to cover up? There is an attack and that is that.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat May 03 14:51:28 "As for FOX News, those attacks were years ago. I'm not sure if FOX covered them or not. " Of course they covered it, how could you not be sure? They report, you decide. They probably suspected Bush coverup too, because they are fair. And balanced
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 03 16:31:54 cr, if there is no coverup, why are we just now finding out that Obama was not in the situation room when that has been one of the prime questions for the last 20 months.?
CrownRoyal Member	Sat May 03 16:58:12 I am pretty sure there was a cover up. I am with Fox on this one. 13 coverups during the W years and another one during Benghazi. I don't know why we have to ask of Bush was in the Situation Room 13 times. So many years, and no clear answers.
roland Member	Sat May 03 17:31:53 " roland, are you saying he sleeps with his coke? " Benghazi???
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 03 17:39:03 "that has been one of the prime questions for the last 20 months." not for normal people
kargen Member	Sat May 03 18:47:10 The question is would he or anyone else done anything different even if he had been in the room. My guess is the answer to that is no, so it doesn't matter where he was.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 03 20:49:34 Good point.
TJ Member	Sat May 03 22:42:36 HR, I don't place any higher value on an Ambassador than any other American doing his duty to Country. The U.S. isn't short on Ambassador bodies. Everyone knows the risks involved.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 03 23:00:51 I don't either, but the title is symbolic.
TJ Member	Sat May 03 23:30:52 Every American is symbolic to our County. I just don't agree with the importance of title deserving more respect in the argument. Clearly you do for whatever reasoning and that is your privilege even though I believe you error in doing. It doesn't provide leverage to persuade me on the situation simply because Stevens had the title of Ambassador.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 03 23:54:02 By your reasoning the assassination of a President would not be symbolic,
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun May 04 00:01:38 You ever heard of the "Boy who cried wolf"?
kargen Member	Sun May 04 02:31:39 "You ever heard of the "Boy who cried wolf"?" Yeah, and eventually the wolf showed up.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 05:09:43 They are saying now that The President was in *debate prep* and that he was the only one who could have given the order for the military to move in. I have not verified this though.
TJ Member	Sun May 04 09:20:50 "By your reasoning the assassination of a President would not be symbolic" Sure it would be symbolic, below my quote from post. "Every American is symbolic to our Country." All killing is symbolic. As for the assassination of our President the Constitution has provisions to not miss a step replacing. Really no different than the soldier in the heat as far as I'm concerned as stated. The enemy hits the hardest it is capable of or allowed. What is considered the importance of a target creates the highest degree of hysterics. Mob dynamics are primitive. Wars are perpetual, you ever noticed. It has become so prevalent that we don't even considered it as an option of naming so, and yet, the so called important ones are admired and held in high esteem. Phooeymantics... I find it disgusting how the masses are directed to think and respond to what leaders deem important, therefore raising themselves as the most valued target when those hands never touch the blood spilling of their own creation. People are violent creatures waiting to be manipulated and I find such antics despicable. It is time for the masses to develop a new mindset as far as I'm concerned.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 04 09:51:15 "They are saying now that The President was in *debate prep* and that he was the only one who could have given the order for the military to move in. " an unbiased source, i'm sure
jergul large member	Sun May 04 09:53:33 Congress is the only one that can authorize the military to "move in" to a foreign country without that country's permission.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 13:46:33 tw, they are basing that on The White House visitor log.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 04 13:53:04 i don't doubt it's possible he met for debate prep that day, i'm doubting how your sources will characterize it as him being too busy to listen to his military advisors
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 14:38:31 Obviously something caused him not to issue the orders. That's what they are trying to find out.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 14:39:58 Why is The White House hiding information?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 04 14:48:10 issue what orders? the 'hey, save those people from dying' order he had available?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 04 14:56:47 also should be noted the logs merely show 3 people coming to the white house on that day with the reason of debate prep... doesn't say what time or who they met with, could've been Biden or someone else... kinda makes all these headlines about it questionable here's my favorite "Obama to Blame Romney Debate for Benghazi"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 04 15:02:50 here's info on the 3 people: Mike Donilon - Counselor to the *Vice* President of the United States David Ginsberg - took time off to help lead Vice President Joe Biden’s debate preparation team.” Ron Klain - Joe Biden’s former chief of staff Oops... i guess running with baseless assumptions may turn out to be false, not that anyone cares...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 15:06:30 tw - issue what orders? the 'hey, save those people from dying' order he had available? Brig. Gen. Robert Lovell said it quite well, you send troops toward the sound of the guns. Or words to that effect. tw, I said at the beginning I had not verified the report, but I doubt they were coming to tutor Jay Carney, and if they were going to tutor Biden it would probably be in his offices at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 04 15:11:20 great battle plan
CrownRoyal Member	Sun May 04 16:01:20 BENGHAZIB E E N O N G B G H A H A M A Z A Z I BENGHAZI
CrownRoyal Member	Sun May 04 16:01:37 Didn't work out
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 16:49:01 tw, it is a battle cry of sorts. You plan as you move towards the guns based on Intel coming from the battle.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 17:08:50 Have you ever seen 'The Longest Day'? There is a scene there where Richard Beymer, a paratrooper, tells Richard Burton, a shot down English pilot, "I keep hearing shootin', but by the time I get there everyone's gone." That's what soldiers do, that's their job.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 04 17:14:35 do you have anyone testifying they urged the president to do X, but he just said "go away, batin'"? also, the ambassador was on the way to the hospital ~3 hrs after the start of the attack & the other diplomat was already dead... so let's quit pretending there was any options to save those two (and drone video surveillance didn't even start til the embassy attack was almost over)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 04 17:33:28 and the main point is it took me about 3 minutes to investigate this white house log claim and find that all 3 people have obvious connections to Biden, not Obama, including debate prep specifically... plus the fact there's no time info on the visits and Benghazi didn't start til late afternoon EST, so easily could've been earlier it's simply shameful all the numerous blogs and crap news sites writing "Obama prepping for debate while Americans died" style headlines
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 18:53:59 What part of, "I have not verified this though" has gone completely over your head to the point where you keep accusing me as if I had stated it as fact knowing it to be untrue? If it is? What part?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun May 04 19:18:25 i'm not accusing you, i'm accusing the world you live in your main fault is continuing to believe these places
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 19:59:21 What part of, "I have not verified this though" has gone completely over your head to the point where you keep accusing me as if I had stated it as fact knowing it to be untrue? If it is? What part? Jesus!
chuck Member	Sun May 04 22:09:31 Hey that's a pretty cool trick. Claim something but also disclaim it. That way you can peddle bullshit until somebody calls it for what it is, at which point you can throw up your hands. "How was I to know the bullshit I was peddling was bullshit?!?"
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 22:33:09 No chuckie, why do you get everything wrong, as usual you are making a fool of yourself. I reported what I heard on the news, but I did not verify it by web news. It is as simple as that. Why do you *ALWAYS* falsely accuse me of something without a smidgeon of truth? Are you a bully by nature? Did you pick on the little kids at school and steal their lunch money? Do you pull the wings off butterflies? Do you put kittens in the microwave and cook them live? You are just a mean person without value to the human race.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun May 04 22:42:34 Hopefully The Select Committee will get to the bottom of this issue and if there was any wrongdoing it will come out for The American Public to see it all.
jergul large member	Mon May 05 01:43:18 Within the framework of a comprehensive review of all embassy attacks since 2000 I hope.
chuck Member	Mon May 05 11:56:29 Here I thought I was one of the gentler, more civil UPers. Do you feel like I've bullied you, Hot Rod?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 05 11:58:37 Always. Either that or you are just plain stupid.
chuck Member	Mon May 05 12:05:00 This is clearly a monumental misunderstanding. What steps can I take to remedy this situation in your eyes?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 05 12:07:09 Promise to vote republican. :)
chuck Member	Mon May 05 12:09:01 I was asking how I can get out of the bully column, not how I can get into the plain stupid column.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 05 12:14:21 Stupid is forgivable, bulling is not.
chuck Member	Mon May 05 12:22:28 That wasn't bullying. I was just clarifying. Hi.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 05 16:06:09 You were wrong. Greg Gutfeld just made a comment, *when we catch you red handed, we are the ones that are wrong*. (paraphrased) It's called the liberal spin. You do it all of the time.
chuck Member	Mon May 05 17:26:21 Is it the same steps as the Blitzkrieg Bop? Now THAT I do all the time.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 05 18:09:20 Personally I Be-Bop-A-Lula.
chuck Member	Mon May 05 18:56:41 It has a lot of spinning to the right I bet.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 05 21:03:27 You Can't Handle The Moves To The Right.
chuck Member	Tue May 06 05:16:21 Was that the name of a book? Why have you gone and capitalized every word? Where's the sense in that?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue May 06 06:22:57 Haven't you ever seen 'A Few Good Men'? I am paraphrasing Jack Nicholson's response to Tom Cruise.
chuck Member	Tue May 06 07:08:34 Was he speaking in Title Case? It's so hard to tell sometimes.
chuck Member	Tue May 06 07:13:14 I think that's one thing you really gain by reading the screenplay itself. It's a very subtle thing for an actor to try to convey, Title Case. Not that I'm casting aspersions on Mr. Nicholson. There are no aspersions being cast in this thread.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue May 06 11:57:27 I concur.
chuck Member	Tue May 06 12:17:55 In which case I disavow my previous statement entirely and disagree wholeheartedly.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue May 06 13:07:54 Me too. I am with you till the end my friend.
chuck Member	Tue May 06 14:02:03 Personally, I find your bullying behavior reprehensible. Furthermore, I am disappointed in how you have derailed the Important Discussion in this thread.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue May 06 17:44:44 Then let's get back to it and I'll let you keep your lunch money.
chuck Member	Tue May 06 19:06:11 Well I was ready to go back to talking about Obama in the simulation room. But look at you with your parting shots. Some people. Personally, I think if Obama had been in the simulation room it would have looked something like this: http://i.h...47/slide_22847_273024_huge.jpg Furthermore, I think he would have definitely been an asset.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue May 06 19:21:54 Well evidently he was not there and the question is, where was he and what was he doing? An asset is someone who takes charge or follows orders to get the job done, which asset was he.
chuck Member	Tue May 06 19:41:27 Personally? You're asking me personally? I don't know where he was OR what he was doing. Furthermore I think we need a dictionary definition of an asset if that is your personal definition of an asset.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 06 19:43:38 how did John Lithgow get into the situation room?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue May 06 20:25:59 "I don't know where he was OR what he was doing." People were dying, don't you want to know? I'm talking about human assets, not humvees.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 06 20:30:09 people are dying all the time a team flew in and rescued over 30 people... seems a pretty successful response given 100+ attackers
chuck Member	Tue May 06 22:20:30 Don't I want to know what? That people were dying? This has been established. I want to know what you want to know. What do you want to know? What information do we need to have before we are happy? Oh. Also, I meant to ask. Now that we are no longer casting aspersions, we need a team name. Can we call ourselves Team ChuckRod?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue May 06 22:30:45 Try Team Chuck/CrownRoyal. If your going to dance your way through a conversation I will say goodby now.
chuck Member	Tue May 06 22:39:27 Woah woah woah. Let's slow this down, eh? Maybe I came on too strong with Team ChuckRod. Let's put that on the shelf for now. I'm not saying let's throw it out, but let's just put it on the shelf for now. We'll come back to it some other day and take it off that shelf. When you are ready. Personally, I'd appreciate it if you would explain this to me from the very beginning. So start from the beginning. Obama wasn't in the simulation room. Why does that matter? Furthermore, what would you have done differently in that situation.
Wrath of Orion Member	Tue May 06 22:50:48 For starters, Pedo Rod definitely would have been bombing more brown people since he's a warmongering racist. But he wouldn't have bothered to be in the Situation Room for that.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 07 00:07:13 chuckie - Why does that matter? Give it up sonny. You won't answer my questions, I certainly am not going to answer your. woo, you are a liar and a very poor one. I guess that is the way you were brought up.
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed May 07 00:54:40 What, you think you'd have gone to the Situation Room? That's the only part of my post that could be wrong.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 07 06:43:22 If I were President you bet that is where I would be. That would be my job to be there and to do what I could to protect those people. The President is the most powerful man on earth, do *NOT* tell me there was nothing that could have been done to help those people. I might have pissed off some people and caused an international incident, but I would have had boots on the ground long before that attack was over.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed May 07 07:32:33 "If I were President you bet that is where I would be. " I'd be in my ranch, in Crawford. You see, modern technology allows a president to be in control even if he is a thousand miles away.
Cloud Strife Member	Wed May 07 07:34:18 `I'd be in my ranch, in Crawford. You see, modern technology allows a president to be in control even if he is a thousand miles away.' I hire competent subordinates and then maintain a non-micromanagement approach.
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed May 07 09:35:48 "I might have pissed off some people and caused an international incident, but I would have had boots on the ground long before that attack was over." Not unless you have some kind of Star Trek beaming pad... http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/benghazi2014/benghazi.pdf Specifically, Finding #7 on page 28.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 07 10:51:37 looking at all facts is not important... we need to continue investigating for months cherry-picking every tid-bit that sounds bad and make it look like a huge scandal
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed May 07 11:38:45 I guess I just don't fit in with the Fox News crowd, which avoids evidence and facts like the plague.
Average European Member	Wed May 07 12:00:39 He was taking a dump in the Shituation room.
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed May 07 13:05:09 Pedo Rod has fled after being humiliated and is hoping this thread fills up and drops away.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 07 13:17:24 tw - we need to continue investigating for months cherry-picking every tid-bit that sounds bad and make it look like a huge scandal You mean like the Ben Rhodes, personal assistant to The President, email that was sent to top White House personnel? "The email from Mr. Rhodes includes goals for Ms. Rice’s appearances on the shows and advice on how to discuss the subject of the protests that were raging in Libya and at other American diplomatic posts in the Middle East." http://www...ouse-strategy-on-benghazi.html Nice "tid-bit" there.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 07 13:27:20 Average European, yes. He was taking a dump and Wrath of Orion came out. Wrath of Orion, you are so smart. Exactly where was Obama during the attack? You seem to think you know everything, answer up.
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