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CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 16:09:44
Today's news about the former GOP Senator who fucked a daughter of his colleague, another Republican Senator and got her pregnant.

"Former New Mexico Sen. Pete Domenici told the Journal on Tuesday he fathered a son outside of his marriage over 30 years ago, revealing a secret kept for decades.

Statements given to the Journal by Domenici and the son’s mother, Michelle Laxalt of Alexandria, Va., identified the son as Adam Paul Laxalt, a Nevada lawyer. Michelle Laxalt formerly was a prominent government relations consultant and television political commentator in Washington, D.C. She is a daughter of former U.S. senator and Nevada Gov. Paul Laxalt."

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And this is Domenici's speech, calling for Clinton impeachment in the Senate.

"I have concluded that President Clinton's actions do, indeed, rise to the level of impeachable offenses that the Founding Fathers envisioned.

How can anyone, after conceding that the President lied under oath and obstructed justice, listen to this quotation and not conclude that this President has committed acts which are clearly serious, which corrupt or subvert the political and government process, and which are plainly wrong to any honorable person or to a good citizen?
[...]
Truthfulness is the first pillar of good character in the Character Counts program of which I have been part of establishing in New Mexico. Many of you in this chamber have joined me in declaring the annual "Character Counts Weeks." This program teaches grade school youngsters throughout America about six pillars of good character. Public and private schools in every corner of my state teach children that character counts; character makes a difference; indeed, character makes all the difference.

Guess which one of these pillars comes first? Trustworthiness. Trustworthiness.

So what do I say to the children in my state when they ask, "Didn't the President lie? Doesn't that mean he isn't trustworthy? Then, Senator, why didn't the Senate punish him?"
[...]
In this day and age of public yearning for heroes, we criticize basketball, football and baseball players, and actors and singers who commit crimes or otherwise fail to be "good role models." One of those celebrities said a few years ago that he was only a basketball player, not a role model. He said in essence: "Want a role model, look to the President."

Do not underestimate, my friends, the corrupting and cynical signal we will send if we fail to enforce the highest standards of conduct on the most powerful man in the nation.
[...]
The President has committed high crimes and misde meanors, in violation of his oath of office. He lied under oath. He obstructed justice. His behavior was unworthy of the Presidency of the United States.

Thus, I sadly conclude that the President is guilty of the charges made against him by the House of Representatives and I will vote to convict him on both counts before the Senate.

http://edi...enate.statements/domenici.html

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 16:38:29
If you bang a daughter of a fellow Senator, is this a breach of Senate decorum?

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 16:40:43
http://m.y...uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-RvNS7JfcMM

Greatest response about sex at work.

Dakyron
Member Wed Feb 20 16:42:09
Remember, Clinton was being impeached for perjury and corruption, not for getting a blowjob.

Regardless, yeah, another example of a piece of shit.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 16:47:51
Clinton perjured himself by lying about Lewinsky when unexpectedly asked, during unrelated testimony. Pretty much what every married man would have done, if suddenly confronted. So yeah, he was impeached for lying about a blow job. Not exactly a high crime.

Renzo Marquez
Member Wed Feb 20 16:49:48
There are plenty of people in prison for perjury.

Dakyron
Member Wed Feb 20 16:50:13
No, that is completely false. Its not surprising that you wouldnt know the details. It was a sexual harassment trial, where Clinton was the accused, and they were establishing a pattern of behavior, which would be a key to their case against him. He lied both to avoid public ridicule and to help his own defense.

No one believes that Hillary thought him a faithful husband at that point. No one.

Dakyron
Member Wed Feb 20 16:50:30
Last post @ CR

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 16:53:52
"No, that is completely false. Its not surprising that you wouldnt know the details. It was a sexual harassment trial, where Clinton was the accused, and they were establishing a pattern of behavior, which would be a key to their case against him"

So what part did I get wrong, I said it was unrelated testimony.

Dakyron
Member Wed Feb 20 16:55:24
It wasnt unrelated. It wasnt a sudden confrontation, and it wasnt an impeachment for lying about a blowjob.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 16:59:24
"It wasnt a sudden confrontation"

"On Friday, January 16, 1998, Starr's investigators had Tripp lure Lewinsky to a Washington hotel where Lewinsky was intercepted by FBI agents, brought to a hotel room, and pressured for hours by Starr's deputies toward cooperating with their Clinton probe. Tripp then departed the hotel and went home where she secretly met with one of Jones's lawyers and briefed him on the entire Clinton-Lewinsky affair.

The next morning, Saturday, January 17, President Clinton, in compliance with the U.S. Supreme Court ruling, arrived at his lawyer's office two blocks from the White House to give a pretrial deposition in the Jones case, with the procedure also videotaped. Sitting across the table from Paula Jones, the President was questioned for six hours by her lawyers and was quite surprised when they asked whether he ever had "sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky along with other detailed questions. Clinton, somber and hesitant, denied under oath having sexual relations with Lewinsky, according to the definition provided by Jones's lawyers. Clinton also said he could not recall ever being alone with her in the White House. The President's denials would later be used as the basis of an article of impeachment. (Deposition Excerpts)"

http://www...tates/impeachments/clinton.htm

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 17:00:46
"the President was questioned for six hours by her lawyers and was quite surprised when they asked whether he ever had "sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky along with other detailed questions"

The relevant part about "not sudden"

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 17:05:03
"Renzo Marquez
Member Wed Feb 20 16:49:48
There are plenty of people in prison for perjury."

Theoretically, high crime is what Congress decides it is. And I am not trying to say that perjury is not a serious crime. I am saying that particular perjury wasn't a high crime, an impeachable offense. Especially seeing how name GOPers who voted to impeach and convict fucked around themselves. Ensign, Sanford, now this dude.

Renzo Marquez
Member Wed Feb 20 18:08:18
CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 17:05:03
"Especially seeing how name GOPers who voted to impeach and convict fucked around themselves. Ensign, Sanford, now this dude."

Did they perjure themselves during depositions?

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 18:25:54
What deposition?

Domenici - "Do not underestimate, my friends, the corrupting and cynical signal we will send if we fail to enforce the highest standards of conduct on the most powerful man in the nation. "

I don't think that empregnating a daughter of another Senator meets the highest standards of conduct, and the guy who did the empregnating shouldn't be enforsing those standards.

Renzo Marquez
Member Wed Feb 20 18:28:07
CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 18:25:54
"What deposition?"

Clinton perjured himself during a deposition.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 18:28:43
What deposition were those guys giving?

Renzo Marquez
Member Wed Feb 20 18:30:06
CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 18:28:43
"What deposition were those guys giving?"

I don't know if they have been deposed or not.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 20 18:30:47
Me neither.

earthpig
GTFO HOer Wed Feb 20 19:50:20
Can we moveon.org yet?

Dakyron
Member Thu Feb 21 16:22:51
No, not if retards still claim Clinton was impeached over a blowjob. That is blatantly incorrect and I will defend the impeachment until my grave.

Clinton was one of the most corrupt pieces of shit ever to "grace" the oval office. Sure, he didnt have summary executions of US citizens, but short of that, no one has been more of a douche while president.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 16:33:25
"No, not if retards still claim Clinton was impeached over a blowjob. That is blatantly incorrect and I will defend the impeachment until my grave. "

Yeah, you do it. You know, its not surprising that you wouldnt know the details. Glad I could educate you. And yes, Clinton was impeached over lying under oath about a blowjob.

Dakyron
Member Thu Feb 21 16:36:49
"Clinton was impeached over lying under oath "

Correct.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 16:38:06
Then stfu with your whining.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 16:39:01
"Clinton was impeached over corruption" - Dumbass

Dakyron
Member Thu Feb 21 16:40:22
"Clinton was impeached for getting a blowjob" - Retard

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 16:45:33
when did I said that?

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 16:47:32
A fat ugly guy, with no money and the most miserable personality you can imagine, hates Clinton for getting some. Shocker.

Dakyron
Member Thu Feb 21 16:48:58
Heh... here comes CR, losing the argument, and desperately trying to take the focus off his incredible stupidity by lying about other people.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 16:49:32
"It wasnt a sudden confrontation"

LOL, really? How is that you never bothered to know the details? You, the tard who accused me of not knowing the details.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 16:50:54
"by lying about other people."

I quoted you, dumbass.

Dakyron - "Remember, Clinton was being impeached for perjury and corruption, not for getting a blowjob. "

Show me the corruption charge, imbecile.

Dakyron
Member Thu Feb 21 16:53:07
"LOL, really? How is that you never bothered to know the details? You, the tard who accused me of not knowing the details. "

The deposition was scheduled. What the fuck did he think they were going to talk about? His golf game?

Dakyron
Member Thu Feb 21 16:54:05
"Show me the corruption charge, imbecile. "

Corruption was never a formal charge, but it certainly existed during his administration.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 16:55:15
"The deposition was scheduled. What the fuck did he think they were going to talk about? His golf game? "

LOL@ lazy, uneducated tard. I said they surprised Clinton with Lewinsky questions, you said "Completely false". Get a clue, dumbo.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 16:56:50
"Corruption was never a formal charge,"

Exactly. It wasn't. You, the retard, claimed that Clinton was impeached over corruption. Defend that lie until your grave.

Dakyron
Member Thu Feb 21 16:59:52
"I said they surprised Clinton with Lewinsky questions, you said "Completely false". Get a clue, dumbo. "

If he was "surprised" then it was only due to arrogance and his own stupidity. He should have seen the questions coming. It was a sexual harassment trial and he thought they wouldnt ask him about his relationship with the current female interns? Give me a break, retard.

"Exactly. It wasn't. You, the retard, claimed that Clinton was impeached over corruption. Defend that lie until your grave."

You think Clinton's corruption wasnt a factor in the impeachment charges?

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 17:01:24
Rare breed. I always marvel at idiots who are not really aware of their idiocy. Its not enough that Dak was wrong, but no, he had to get personal. " Its not surprising that you wouldnt know the details." ROFL, it is you, fucktard, who don't know the details.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 21 17:06:13
"If he was "surprised" then it was only due to arrogance and his own stupidity. He should have seen the questions coming."

You moron, even Paula jones lawyers only had the Lewinsky info for less than 24 hours, prior to the disposition. Starr, who was investigating others stuff (none of which he was able to prove) fed it to them.

"It was a sexual harassment trial and he thought they wouldnt ask him about his relationship with the current female interns? "

Yes. That is EXACTLY what would have happened if not for Starr. Jones' lawyers had no clue about Clinton- Lewinsky affair.

"You think Clinton's corruption wasnt a factor in the impeachment charges?"

Is this your attempt to sound like a lawyer? there was no corruption charge, you made it up. You are stupid.

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CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 16:09:44 Today's news about the former GOP Senator who fucked a daughter of his colleague, another Republican Senator and got her pregnant. "Former New Mexico Sen. Pete Domenici told the Journal on Tuesday he fathered a son outside of his marriage over 30 years ago, revealing a secret kept for decades. Statements given to the Journal by Domenici and the son’s mother, Michelle Laxalt of Alexandria, Va., identified the son as Adam Paul Laxalt, a Nevada lawyer. Michelle Laxalt formerly was a prominent government relations consultant and television political commentator in Washington, D.C. She is a daughter of former U.S. senator and Nevada Gov. Paul Laxalt." -------------- And this is Domenici's speech, calling for Clinton impeachment in the Senate. "I have concluded that President Clinton's actions do, indeed, rise to the level of impeachable offenses that the Founding Fathers envisioned. How can anyone, after conceding that the President lied under oath and obstructed justice, listen to this quotation and not conclude that this President has committed acts which are clearly serious, which corrupt or subvert the political and government process, and which are plainly wrong to any honorable person or to a good citizen? [...] Truthfulness is the first pillar of good character in the Character Counts program of which I have been part of establishing in New Mexico. Many of you in this chamber have joined me in declaring the annual "Character Counts Weeks." This program teaches grade school youngsters throughout America about six pillars of good character. Public and private schools in every corner of my state teach children that character counts; character makes a difference; indeed, character makes all the difference. Guess which one of these pillars comes first? Trustworthiness. Trustworthiness. So what do I say to the children in my state when they ask, "Didn't the President lie? Doesn't that mean he isn't trustworthy? Then, Senator, why didn't the Senate punish him?" [...] In this day and age of public yearning for heroes, we criticize basketball, football and baseball players, and actors and singers who commit crimes or otherwise fail to be "good role models." One of those celebrities said a few years ago that he was only a basketball player, not a role model. He said in essence: "Want a role model, look to the President." Do not underestimate, my friends, the corrupting and cynical signal we will send if we fail to enforce the highest standards of conduct on the most powerful man in the nation. [...] The President has committed high crimes and misde meanors, in violation of his oath of office. He lied under oath. He obstructed justice. His behavior was unworthy of the Presidency of the United States. Thus, I sadly conclude that the President is guilty of the charges made against him by the House of Representatives and I will vote to convict him on both counts before the Senate. http://edi...enate.statements/domenici.html
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 16:38:29 If you bang a daughter of a fellow Senator, is this a breach of Senate decorum?
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 16:40:43 http://m.y...uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-RvNS7JfcMM Greatest response about sex at work.
Dakyron Member	Wed Feb 20 16:42:09 Remember, Clinton was being impeached for perjury and corruption, not for getting a blowjob. Regardless, yeah, another example of a piece of shit.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 16:47:51 Clinton perjured himself by lying about Lewinsky when unexpectedly asked, during unrelated testimony. Pretty much what every married man would have done, if suddenly confronted. So yeah, he was impeached for lying about a blow job. Not exactly a high crime.
Renzo Marquez Member	Wed Feb 20 16:49:48 There are plenty of people in prison for perjury.
Dakyron Member	Wed Feb 20 16:50:13 No, that is completely false. Its not surprising that you wouldnt know the details. It was a sexual harassment trial, where Clinton was the accused, and they were establishing a pattern of behavior, which would be a key to their case against him. He lied both to avoid public ridicule and to help his own defense. No one believes that Hillary thought him a faithful husband at that point. No one.
Dakyron Member	Wed Feb 20 16:50:30 Last post @ CR
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 16:53:52 "No, that is completely false. Its not surprising that you wouldnt know the details. It was a sexual harassment trial, where Clinton was the accused, and they were establishing a pattern of behavior, which would be a key to their case against him" So what part did I get wrong, I said it was unrelated testimony.
Dakyron Member	Wed Feb 20 16:55:24 It wasnt unrelated. It wasnt a sudden confrontation, and it wasnt an impeachment for lying about a blowjob.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 16:59:24 "It wasnt a sudden confrontation" "On Friday, January 16, 1998, Starr's investigators had Tripp lure Lewinsky to a Washington hotel where Lewinsky was intercepted by FBI agents, brought to a hotel room, and pressured for hours by Starr's deputies toward cooperating with their Clinton probe. Tripp then departed the hotel and went home where she secretly met with one of Jones's lawyers and briefed him on the entire Clinton-Lewinsky affair. The next morning, Saturday, January 17, President Clinton, in compliance with the U.S. Supreme Court ruling, arrived at his lawyer's office two blocks from the White House to give a pretrial deposition in the Jones case, with the procedure also videotaped. Sitting across the table from Paula Jones, the President was questioned for six hours by her lawyers and was quite surprised when they asked whether he ever had "sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky along with other detailed questions. Clinton, somber and hesitant, denied under oath having sexual relations with Lewinsky, according to the definition provided by Jones's lawyers. Clinton also said he could not recall ever being alone with her in the White House. The President's denials would later be used as the basis of an article of impeachment. (Deposition Excerpts)" http://www...tates/impeachments/clinton.htm
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 17:00:46 "the President was questioned for six hours by her lawyers and was quite surprised when they asked whether he ever had "sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky along with other detailed questions" The relevant part about "not sudden"
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 17:05:03 "Renzo Marquez Member Wed Feb 20 16:49:48 There are plenty of people in prison for perjury." Theoretically, high crime is what Congress decides it is. And I am not trying to say that perjury is not a serious crime. I am saying that particular perjury wasn't a high crime, an impeachable offense. Especially seeing how name GOPers who voted to impeach and convict fucked around themselves. Ensign, Sanford, now this dude.
Renzo Marquez Member	Wed Feb 20 18:08:18 CrownRoyal Member Wed Feb 20 17:05:03 "Especially seeing how name GOPers who voted to impeach and convict fucked around themselves. Ensign, Sanford, now this dude." Did they perjure themselves during depositions?
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 18:25:54 What deposition? Domenici - "Do not underestimate, my friends, the corrupting and cynical signal we will send if we fail to enforce the highest standards of conduct on the most powerful man in the nation. " I don't think that empregnating a daughter of another Senator meets the highest standards of conduct, and the guy who did the empregnating shouldn't be enforsing those standards.
Renzo Marquez Member	Wed Feb 20 18:28:07 CrownRoyal Member Wed Feb 20 18:25:54 "What deposition?" Clinton perjured himself during a deposition.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 18:28:43 What deposition were those guys giving?
Renzo Marquez Member	Wed Feb 20 18:30:06 CrownRoyal Member Wed Feb 20 18:28:43 "What deposition were those guys giving?" I don't know if they have been deposed or not.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 20 18:30:47 Me neither.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Feb 20 19:50:20 Can we moveon.org yet?
Dakyron Member	Thu Feb 21 16:22:51 No, not if retards still claim Clinton was impeached over a blowjob. That is blatantly incorrect and I will defend the impeachment until my grave. Clinton was one of the most corrupt pieces of shit ever to "grace" the oval office. Sure, he didnt have summary executions of US citizens, but short of that, no one has been more of a douche while president.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 16:33:25 "No, not if retards still claim Clinton was impeached over a blowjob. That is blatantly incorrect and I will defend the impeachment until my grave. " Yeah, you do it. You know, its not surprising that you wouldnt know the details. Glad I could educate you. And yes, Clinton was impeached over lying under oath about a blowjob.
Dakyron Member	Thu Feb 21 16:36:49 "Clinton was impeached over lying under oath " Correct.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 16:38:06 Then stfu with your whining.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 16:39:01 "Clinton was impeached over corruption" - Dumbass
Dakyron Member	Thu Feb 21 16:40:22 "Clinton was impeached for getting a blowjob" - Retard
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 16:45:33 when did I said that?
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 16:47:32 A fat ugly guy, with no money and the most miserable personality you can imagine, hates Clinton for getting some. Shocker.
Dakyron Member	Thu Feb 21 16:48:58 Heh... here comes CR, losing the argument, and desperately trying to take the focus off his incredible stupidity by lying about other people.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 16:49:32 "It wasnt a sudden confrontation" LOL, really? How is that you never bothered to know the details? You, the tard who accused me of not knowing the details.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 16:50:54 "by lying about other people." I quoted you, dumbass. Dakyron - "Remember, Clinton was being impeached for perjury and corruption, not for getting a blowjob. " Show me the corruption charge, imbecile.
Dakyron Member	Thu Feb 21 16:53:07 "LOL, really? How is that you never bothered to know the details? You, the tard who accused me of not knowing the details. " The deposition was scheduled. What the fuck did he think they were going to talk about? His golf game?
Dakyron Member	Thu Feb 21 16:54:05 "Show me the corruption charge, imbecile. " Corruption was never a formal charge, but it certainly existed during his administration.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 16:55:15 "The deposition was scheduled. What the fuck did he think they were going to talk about? His golf game? " LOL@ lazy, uneducated tard. I said they surprised Clinton with Lewinsky questions, you said "Completely false". Get a clue, dumbo.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 16:56:50 "Corruption was never a formal charge," Exactly. It wasn't. You, the retard, claimed that Clinton was impeached over corruption. Defend that lie until your grave.
Dakyron Member	Thu Feb 21 16:59:52 "I said they surprised Clinton with Lewinsky questions, you said "Completely false". Get a clue, dumbo. " If he was "surprised" then it was only due to arrogance and his own stupidity. He should have seen the questions coming. It was a sexual harassment trial and he thought they wouldnt ask him about his relationship with the current female interns? Give me a break, retard. "Exactly. It wasn't. You, the retard, claimed that Clinton was impeached over corruption. Defend that lie until your grave." You think Clinton's corruption wasnt a factor in the impeachment charges?
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 17:01:24 Rare breed. I always marvel at idiots who are not really aware of their idiocy. Its not enough that Dak was wrong, but no, he had to get personal. " Its not surprising that you wouldnt know the details." ROFL, it is you, fucktard, who don't know the details.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 21 17:06:13 "If he was "surprised" then it was only due to arrogance and his own stupidity. He should have seen the questions coming." You moron, even Paula jones lawyers only had the Lewinsky info for less than 24 hours, prior to the disposition. Starr, who was investigating others stuff (none of which he was able to prove) fed it to them. "It was a sexual harassment trial and he thought they wouldnt ask him about his relationship with the current female interns? " Yes. That is EXACTLY what would have happened if not for Starr. Jones' lawyers had no clue about Clinton- Lewinsky affair. "You think Clinton's corruption wasnt a factor in the impeachment charges?" Is this your attempt to sound like a lawyer? there was no corruption charge, you made it up. You are stupid.
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