Utopia Talk / Politics / Tiananmen Square Style

McKobb Member	Sun Jan 20 01:49:14 Venezuelan students ready to do it Tiananmen Square style. "His face looked deformed, his lips swollen. The blows to his face had weakened his upper gum so much that he felt pain with every word. Even so, Saleh said that he and his comrades are ready to continue to protest the installation of an “illegitimate” regime in Venezuela. “We’re getting ready to strengthen the protests even more. We’re getting ready to go national. The government knows this, which is why it is acting the way it is,” he said." http://www...nt-protester-in-venezuela.html
Cloud Strife Member	Sun Jan 20 01:49:56 Wup Wup Wup Wup Wup Tianmenan Square Style!
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Jan 20 02:00:53 " Miami Herald " ... " ...which is seen by the opposition as an aberration of the country’s laws orchestrated from Havana. " lulz
McKobb Member	Sun Jan 20 02:18:42 "" Miami Herald " ..." ?
Dakyron Member	Sun Jan 20 20:51:51 A little worried about my venezuelan bonds, but oh well.
McKobb Member	Sun Jan 20 20:59:55 Mister vice president has already started more nationalizations including a Pepsi franchise.
Y2A Member	Sun Jan 20 21:00:16 "Even so, Saleh said that he and his comrades are ready to continue to protest the installation of an “illegitimate” regime in Venezuela." an "illegitimate regime" that just defeated a unified opposition in democratic elections.
Y2A Member	Sun Jan 20 21:04:06 http://en....an_presidential_election,_2012
McKobb Member	Sun Jan 20 21:08:11 Illegitimate because chavez missed his inauguration and hasn't been seen or heard for almost six weeks since going to Havana for his forth cancer surgery. From what I've gathered he's been forced into a coma while on a breathing apparatus because of pulmonary problems. Their constitution does not allow the vp to just take over.
McKobb Member	Sun Jan 20 21:11:09 Hell, he could be dead as far as can be proven, making the vp's control a coup.
Y2A Member	Sun Jan 20 21:23:51 http://www...ezuela/constitucion_ingles.pdf Article 233: The President of the Republic shall become permanently unavailable to serve by reason of any of the following events: death; resignation; removal from office by decision of the Supreme Tribunal of Justice; permanent physical or mental disability certified by a medical board designated by the Supreme Tribunal of Justice with the approval of the National Assembly; abandonment of his position, duly declared by the National Assembly; and recall by popular vote. When an elected President becomes permanently unavailable to serve prior to his inauguration, a new election by universal suffrage and direct ballot shall be held within 30 consecutive days. Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the President of the National Assembly shall take charge of the Presidency of the Republic. When the President of the Republic becomes permanently unavailable to serve during the first four years of this constitutional term of office, a new election by universal suffrage and direct ballot shall be held within 30 consecutive days. Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the Executive Vice-President shall take charge of the Presidency of the Republic. In the cases describes above, the new President shall complete the current constitutional term of office. If the President becomes permanently unavailable to serve during the last two years of his constitutional term of office, the Executive Vice-President shall take over the Presidency of the Republic until such term is completed Article 234: A President of the Republic who becomes temporarily unavailable to serve shall be replaced by the Executive Vice-President for a period of up to 90 days, which may be extended by resolution of the National Assembly for an additional 90 days. If the temporarily unavailability continues for more than 90 consecutive days, the National Assembly shall have the power to decide by a majority vote of its members whether the unavailability to serve should be considered permanent.
Y2A Member	Sun Jan 20 21:26:18 more readable ---- Article 233: The President of the Republic shall become permanently unavailable to serve by reason of any of the following events: death; resignation; removal from office by decision of the Supreme Tribunal of Justice; permanent physical or mental disability certified by a medical board designated by the Supreme Tribunal of Justice with the approval of the National Assembly; abandonment of his position, duly declared by the National Assembly; and recall by popular vote. When an elected President becomes permanently unavailable to serve prior to his inauguration, a new election by universal suffrage and direct ballot shall be held within 30 consecutive days. Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the President of the National Assembly shall take charge of the Presidency of the Republic. When the President of the Republic becomes permanently unavailable to serve during the first four years of this constitutional term of office, a new election by universal suffrage and direct ballot shall be held within 30 consecutive days. Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the Executive Vice-President shall take charge of the Presidency of the Republic. In the cases describes above, the new President shall complete the current constitutional term of office. If the President becomes permanently unavailable to serve during the last two years of his constitutional term of office, the Executive Vice-President shall take over the Presidency of the Republic until such term is completed Article 234: A President of the Republic who becomes temporarily unavailable to serve shall be replaced by the Executive Vice-President for a period of up to 90 days, which may be extended by resolution of the National Assembly for an additional 90 days. If the temporarily unavailability continues for more than 90 consecutive days, the National Assembly shall have the power to decide by a majority vote of its members whether the unavailability to serve should be considered permanent.
Y2A Member	Sun Jan 20 21:27:10 once again... ---- Article 233: The President of the Republic shall become permanently unavailable to serve by reason of any of the following events: death; resignation; removal from office by decision of the Supreme Tribunal of Justice; permanent physical or mental disability certified by a medical board designated by the Supreme Tribunal of Justice with the approval of the National Assembly; abandonment of his position, duly declared by the National Assembly; and recall by popular vote. When an elected President becomes permanently unavailable to serve prior to his inauguration, a new election by universal suffrage and direct ballot shall be held within 30 consecutive days. Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the President of the National Assembly shall take charge of the Presidency of the Republic. When the President of the Republic becomes permanently unavailable to serve during the first four years of this constitutional term of office, a new election by universal suffrage and direct ballot shall be held within 30 consecutive days. Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the Executive Vice-President shall take charge of the Presidency of the Republic. In the cases describes above, the new President shall complete the current constitutional term of office. If the President becomes permanently unavailable to serve during the last two years of his constitutional term of office, the Executive Vice-President shall take over the Presidency of the Republic until such term is completed Article 234: A President of the Republic who becomes temporarily unavailable to serve shall be replaced by the Executive Vice-President for a period of up to 90 days, which may be extended by resolution of the National Assembly for an additional 90 days. If the temporarily unavailability continues for more than 90 consecutive days, the National Assembly shall have the power to decide by a majority vote of its members whether the unavailability to serve should be considered permanent.
Y2A Member	Sun Jan 20 21:29:04 link again: http://www...ezuela/constitucion_ingles.pdf
McKobb Member	Sun Jan 20 21:29:57 Right now the opposition wants the president of the assembly to take power and for an election to be called for, instead the vice president has taken power. And no word from the media hungry chavez.
Y2A Member	Sun Jan 20 21:34:35 no, it depends on whether he was considered inaugurated or not. Article 231: The candidate elected shall take office as President of the Republic on January 10 of the first year of his constitutional term, by taking an oath before the National Assembly. If for any supervening reason, the person elected President of the Republic cannot be sworn in before the National Assembly, he shall take the oath of office before the Supreme Tribunal of Justice.
Y2A Member	Sun Jan 20 21:35:21 http://www...as/venezuela-chavez/index.html Venezuela's Supreme Court ruled that Chavez will begin a new term on Thursday, even though health problems will prevent him from attending an inauguration before the National Assembly.
McKobb Member	Sun Jan 20 21:39:23 So what you're saying is that he could be 'in ill health' in cuba without any contact for his whole six year term. Makes sense, what are those students worrying about.
Y2A Member	Sun Jan 20 21:48:11 i'm saying that the opposition is trying to exploit a technicality in the constitution for all it is worth and it will inevitability blow up in their face. instead of focusing on winning elections they pick petty fights like this one.
McKobb Member	Sun Jan 20 22:02:13 Petty fights? If an American president elect left the nation before inauguration for surgery without any proof that he was still alive for more than month without even a sound clip or photograph from the hospital do you think there would be no concern? Especially if no one would allow you to visit?
McKobb Member	Sun Jan 20 22:09:28 Something is rotten in the state of Denmark is all I'm saying.
Dakyron Member	Mon Jan 21 09:40:26 Its pretty obvious that unless it can be proven that Chavez is going to be capable of taking office within 90 days of his inaugeration date that there needs to be a new election. If the VP and the rest of the party are indeed the people's choice, then they would be elected again. I've no idea why Y2A would argue otherwise. Abiding by the rules of succession in the constitution is not a "technicality".
Y2A Member	Thu Jan 24 20:54:27 el pais just published a fake photo from a youtube clip on the frontpage of their paper claiming that it was chavez during an operation. to put this in a better context, el pais is like the new york times of spain. man, when it comes to chavez some people just can't use their better judgement and latch on to anything to delegitimize him.
OsamaIsDaWorstPresid Member	Thu Jan 24 21:06:37 Y2A jsut cant acept da fact dat his commie hero is ded
Y2A Member	Thu Jan 24 21:14:09 "his commie hero" incorrect. “¿Publicaría El País una foto semejante de algún líder europeo? ¿De su director? Amarillismo válido si la víctima es un revolucionario sudaca. El País tiene un hermoso Manual de Estilo, que omite sistemáticamente para atacar a Venezuela ” - Venezuelan information minister response lol
McKobb Member	Thu Jan 24 23:25:43 Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf agrees that Chavez will soon be back in power and that he is joking and smiling in post-op.
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