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Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Aug 23 22:41:59 Lance Armstrong to lose Tour de France titles, be banned for life after ending defense Published 1 hour and 37 minutes ago Last updated 23 minutes and 39 seconds ago AUSTIN, Texas—U.S. Anti-Doping Agency chief executive Travis Tygart says the agency will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling for life and strip him of his seven Tour de France titles for doping. MUCH MORE: http://aol...-could-lose-tour-de-france-tit
WilliamTheBastard Member	Thu Aug 23 22:43:25 You are indeed. Nothing turns people off from america as people like you. Youre a walking PR disaster for the USA.
Aeros Member	Thu Aug 23 22:51:09 How can the United States Anti-Doping agency be Anti-American? or, are they self hating liberals?
Aeros Member	Thu Aug 23 22:53:24 Did Rod even read the article? "The agency's decision puts the question of Armstrong's titles in the hands of the International Cycling Union, which has disputed USADA's authority to pursue the investigation and Tour de France officials, who have had a prickly relationship with Armstrong over the years." Apparently the French are more American then then the Americans.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Thu Aug 23 22:53:25 Ill explain, aeros. I think I know the argument by now: Uggg. grrr obumaobumaobuma arrrggh. you librals fkkgbbklt uggg mooslums roarrr kil urrghh.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Aug 23 23:14:53 "Corrupt Practices The USADA has pursued investigations into sports figures "... acting according to less noble motives" according to US District Court Judge Sam Sparks. [5] One victim of this zealotry is Lance Armstrong, seven-time champion of the Tour de France. Although retired from the sport with a history of hundreds of passed drug tests, Armstrong is now subject to an investigation by the USADA lacking due process and where the USADA refuses to disclose the names of Armstrong's accusers. By contrast, United States Attorney AndrDe Birotte Jr. announced in a press release that his office "is closing an investigation into allegations of federal criminal conduct by members and associates of a professional bicycle racing team owned in part by Lance Armstrong."[6]" WIKI Who the fuck do you think "Armstrong's accusers" are? If the USADA would disclose their names I bet there would be zero Americans on the list with the possible exception of Floyd Landis, who was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France title after a positive drug test. He passed hundreds of tests and survived a two tear Federal Investigation. The USADA just have their panties in a bunch because he was not a drug user and they could not pin anything on him. NUFF SAID
Aeros Member	Thu Aug 23 23:41:29 How are they anti-American though?
jergul Member	Fri Aug 24 00:03:31 I think he means sportsmanship and accountability is anti american. I refer you to the ongoing anti terrorism campaigns and the "warrior code" for details.
Forwyn Member	Fri Aug 24 01:50:01 "I think he means sportsmanship and accountability is anti american. I refer you to the ongoing anti terrorism campaigns and the "warrior code" for details." I refer you to the hundreds of tests Armstrong already passed. Fuck them, the ICU supports him, and the USADA is overstepping their bounds.
jergul Member	Fri Aug 24 02:14:52 I refer you to the one he failed.
roland Member	Fri Aug 24 04:46:18 He didnt failed a drug test. There was a person, possibly Floyd Landis claimed Armstrong has taken performance enhancing drugs, so the USADA started this investigation. Armstrong now say F*%@ it, he has enough and said he is not going to testify to defend himself anymore. So as a result, USADA banned him, and stipped his tour wins from him. Not sure where the anti-Americanism fit into this though.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Aug 24 04:56:34 jergul - I refer you to the one he failed. Which one was that? The one performed by the witnesses they refuse to produce?
Nekran Member	Fri Aug 24 05:36:57 "The one performed by the witnesses they refuse to produce?" If Armstrong didn't quit, they'd be produced. They claim it's 10 former teammates of his. Me, I don't care jack shit. But I do think any cyclist who has won the tour de france the past 20 years was doped up... that'd make his 7 wins as clean as can be, which is not at all.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Aug 24 05:40:38 So you want to strip the titles from those who won the other 13 years too? Why not just eliminate the sport if it is that far gone or allow all manner of doping so everyon will have an equal chance.
Nekran Member	Fri Aug 24 05:43:08 I'm all for your last sentence. Either way... 2nd one might actually make me watch it a little to see if there's any freak outs or whatnot, but the first one would probably be best. The sport's a joke and I hate its popularity in my country. I don't giva a fuck what happens to those stretchy pantsed clowns' titles.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Aug 24 06:30:46 David Walsh on Armstrong and USADA's charges By: Daniel BensonPublished: August 24, 10:12, Updated: August 24, 10:30 Disappointed that details won't come out in arbitration David Walsh, the author of From Lance to Landis and LA Confidential has welcomed the news that Lance Armstrong will not contest USADA’s charges relating to alleged doping offences during the Texan’s cycling career. Armstrong looks set to be stripped of his seven Tour de France titles, although the UCI may appeal that decision to CAS. “I’m pleased that it’s come to this and that he’s accepted the charges against him. I’m disappointed that it didn’t go to arbitration because that would have given us the details as to why this process was so necessary,” Walsh told Cyclingnews. “For me it’s a good day in at least that some guy who has been incredibly cynical has his just desserts. But the investigation should really be much deeper than Lance Armstrong. Who are the people who protected him? Are they still in cycling, are they still controlling cycling? Even the most neutral observer would say that cycling has been incredibly badly served by its leadership.” Walsh, who was sued by Armstrong in relation to his book LA Confidential, went on to explain that he feels no sense of vindication. Armstrong still denies doping during his career and despite a US court ruling otherwise, believes that the UCI should hold jurisdiction over the results management of sport. According to Armstrong, the actions of USADA amount to a ‘witch hunt’. “People have been saying to me for a number of years now, because it was perfectly clear to most intelligent people that Armstrong had been doping, and they asked if I felt vindication because I was accusing him for many years. I’ve never felt vindicated because I’ve never needed vindication in my life. I was never sure of anything more in my life than that this guy and his team were doping and that was form the very first Tour in 1999.” “It’s just wrong that guys who were riding the race clean and never appeared in the top 20 were screwed by a corrupt system and in my view a system that couldn’t not have remained corrupt without the complicity of the people who run the sport, the race organisers, the sponsors, the cycling journalists. Too many people turned a blind eye to something that was obviously wrong and they did it for all the wrong reasons.” Although Walsh has refrained from covering the Tour de France in recent years he was a permanent figure on the race circuit throughout the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. However, as his suspicions and stance became more and resolute he didn’t just find enemies in Armstrong’s camp, as even sections of the press corps turned their backs on him. “In 2004 I was meant to travel in a car that had an American writer, a British writer and an Australian writer and I had travelled with them many times. I first travelled with the English journalist back in 1984, if memory serves me. They didn’t want me in the car because Armstrong’s team had made it known to them that they wouldn’t get a lot of cooperation if I was in the car. And rather than stand by journalism they chose to do what was expedient but that’s what people did. Pretty much every English speaking journalist on the Tour in those early Armstrong years was in one way or another trying to defend Armstrong.” “When you think of all the nonsense we had to listen to about Armstrong being faster than Pantani in '98. Armstrong goes and rides a faster Tour a year later and you have all these idiot journalists saying, well the roads and the bikes are better, it’s logical. It was all completely illogical and if they were being honest they would have known this.” “You still see it today. There are still some journalists going out from England to cover the Tour who half believe that Armstrong is innocent, who have been defending him. Complete buffoons.” So what of the Tour de France and its murky history book? If Armstrong is finally stripped of his Tour victories it’s unlikely that the sport will rejoice in handed down celebrations for Jan Ullrich, Alex Zülle, Andreas Klöden and Ivan Basso. “The history of the Tour de France, over the last 20 years, since EPO and blood boosting drugs were big, the history of the Tour de France has been bunkum. It’s hasn’t been a story of triumph and great achievement, it’s been a story of corruption and innocent people who rode the race clean being screwed. They were the people we always needed to stand up for. The spiritual leader of that peloton was Christophe Bassons and we all remember what happened to him in 1999.” http://www...n-armstrong-and-usadas-charges
WilliamTheBastard Member	Fri Aug 24 06:47:30 The reason this became anti americanism to pedo is because of the american superhero name, "Armstrong," and because of his anti-French bigotry which caused him to leap to false accusations against the French without checking a single detail
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 24 06:59:14 I don't care if he passed or failed any tests. What matters is that an American has had his medals taken away from him and that an American is banned for life. ROFL!
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 24 06:59:20 OWNED
The Children Member	Fri Aug 24 07:05:57 aye that is pretty hilarious.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Fri Aug 24 07:09:02 Ironically, it would be a lot more correct to title this thread: Anti-France At It's Worst
asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa Member	Fri Aug 24 09:51:11 He is an American: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hincapie "In May 2011, it was reported that Hincapie, along with Tyler Hamilton, joined others accusing Lance Armstrong of doping by testifying to a federal grand jury in 2010 about their own cheating, as well as that of Lance Armstrong. The CBS News channel program 60 Minutes said Hincapie had told officials he and Armstrong had supplied each other with EPO before races and discussed using testosterone. 60 Minutes claimed Hincapie had testified to a US federal investigation into doping that he and Armstrong had taken EPO together."
Forwyn Member	Fri Aug 24 10:02:00 If he had been using EPO/HGH he wouldn't have continued to pass tests. For blood doping, its really all hearsay unless they have a doctor or someone who actually stored blood for an autologous transfusion. David Welsh is a petty fraud gaining fame on the shoulders of a giant. "The Sunday Times has settled with Lance Armstrong after he sued the paper for libel over a 2004 article which referred to a book, LA Confidential - The Secrets of Lance Armstrong. In a high-court hearing, Mr Justice Gray ruled that the meaning of the article as a whole implied that Armstrong had taken drugs to enhance his performance. He rejected arguments for the paper that the words conveyed no more than the existence of reasonable grounds to suspect. "The Sunday Times has confirmed to Mr Armstrong that it never intended to accuse him of being guilty of taking any performance-enhancing drugs and sincerely apologised for any such impression," the paper's lawyers said." http://www...ul/01/cycling.tourdefrance2006
asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa Member	Fri Aug 24 10:18:32 "its really all hearsay" You have several testimonies of people who did doped together with Armstrong, that is not hearsay. The case is closed, Armstrong is guilty.
Forwyn Member	Fri Aug 24 10:26:58 Several testimonies that the USADA won't release, so how the fuck do you know? Speak out of your ass more.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Aug 24 10:29:46 asdas, " The 40-year-old Armstrong walked away from the sport in 2011 without being charged following a two-year federal criminal investigation into many of the same accusations he faces from USADA. The federal probe was closed in February, but USADA announced in June it had evidence Armstrong used banned substances and methods — and encouraged their use by teammates. The agency also said it had blood tests from 2009 and 2010 that were "fully consistent" with blood doping." If they had blood tests from 2009 and 2010 that were "fully consistent" with blood doping why weren't they made public then.
asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa Member	Fri Aug 24 10:33:10 I guess they would have been made public in what was to follow. Armstrong knew that he was fucked and so he stopped the whole process by ending his defense. He can now portray himself as a victim.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Aug 24 18:24:11 The blood tests were from two and three years ago. Why weren't they made public then? Wgy wasn't he disqualified then?
asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa Member	Thu Apr 19 18:24:48 http://www...-armstrong-postal-service.html Lance Armstrong Settles Federal Fraud Case for $5 Million Lance Armstrong agreed on Thursday to pay $5 million to settle claims that he defrauded the federal government by using performance-enhancing drugs when the United States Postal Service sponsored his cycling team. The settlement ended years of legal wrangling between Armstrong and the government over whether the Postal Service had actually sustained harm because of Armstrong’s doping. After years of vehement denials, Armstrong admitted in 2013 that he had used banned substances while winning a record seven Tour de France titles from 1999 to 2005. He wore a Postal Service jersey during the first six of those victories, but he was stripped of all his Tour titles in 2012 after an investigation by the United States Anti-Doping Agency determined that he and many of his teammates had been doping. “We’ve had exactly the same view of this case forever, which was that it was a bogus case because the Postal Service was never harmed,” Elliot Peters, Armstrong’s lead lawyer, said in a telephone interview. He added that the Postal Service had boasted that sponsoring Armstrong’s cycling team for $32.3 million was a marketing boon. That was the value of the second deal between the Postal Service and the team. That contract, unlike its predecessor, contained an antidoping clause. If he had lost in court, Armstrong faced the possibility of paying treble damages under the terms of the False Claims Act, which is aimed at recovering government money obtained by fraud. The government could have demanded nearly $100 million. The settlement averted a trial scheduled to begin with jury selection in about two weeks in Federal District Court in Washington. “I am particularly glad to have made peace with the Postal Service,” Armstrong said in a statement issued by Peters’s law firm. “While I believe that their lawsuit against me was without merit and unfair, I have since 2013 tried to take full responsibility for my mistakes, and make amends wherever possible. I rode my heart out for the Postal cycling team, and was always especially proud to wear the red, white and blue eagle on my chest when competing in the Tour de France. Those memories are very real and mean a lot to me.” The prospect of losing his fortune had loomed over Armstrong, 46, since the case was filed in 2010. It was the most daunting of the legal woes that have dogged him since he confessed. A statement from Peters’s law firm said the settlement had ended “all litigation against Armstrong related to his 2013 admission that during his career as a professional cyclist he had used performance-enhancing substances.” Floyd Landis, a former teammate of Armstrong’s, was the original plaintiff in the case, acting as a whistle-blower with a chance to receive a share of any money recovered by the government. The government chose to join the case after Armstrong’s confession in 2013, and the Postal Service claimed it would not have sponsored the team if it had known Armstrong was doping. Landis, who also doped during his cycling career and was stripped of the 2006 Tour de France title, will receive $1.1 million of the government’s $5 million. In addition to the $5 million settlement, Armstrong will pay $1.65 million to cover Landis’s legal costs, according to lawyers for both Landis and Armstrong. “It has been a difficult ordeal, and public opinion was not always on my side,” Landis said in a statement from his lawyer’s office. “But it was the right thing to do and I am hopeful that some positive changes for cycling and sport in general will be the result.” The government considered pursuing criminal fraud charges against Armstrong almost a year before he confessed, but it dropped the case. “No one is above the law,” Chad A. Readler, the acting assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s civil division, said Thursday in a statement. “A competitor who intentionally uses illegal P.E.D.s not only deceives fellow competitors and fans, but also sponsors, who help make sporting competitions possible. This settlement demonstrates that those who cheat the government will be held accountable.”
smart dude Member	Thu Apr 19 20:59:07 The dude admitted it. What on earth are people debating?
smart dude Member	Thu Apr 19 20:59:48 FFS this is an ancient thread. Pretty hilarious to see how wrong Hot Rod was (as usual).
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