Utopia Talk / Politics / Marines posing with Nazi symbol

river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 09:10:28 http://www...azi-symbol-in-afghanistan?bn=1
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 09:19:39 In Afghanistan. We sure are good at winning those hearts and minds.
Disgruntled Member	Fri Feb 10 09:23:40 SIEG HEIL!
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 09:32:59 Poll. What were these marines doing right before this picture was taken? A) raping some women B) murdering some innocent civilians for sport C) shooting up a building with DU so that the occupants end up having flipper babies D) tending some opium crops E) throwing puppies off of cliffs for laughs
Dakyron Member	Fri Feb 10 09:35:34 Probably B, although maybe A. DU is expensive, so hopefully not C. They make too much to be doing manual labor, let the Afghans do D. E is possible, but I dont think there are lots of domestic puppies in rural Afghanistan.
pillz Member	Fri Feb 10 09:36:38 http://www...hread=51855&time=1328858586605
Dakyron Member	Fri Feb 10 09:36:46 Yes, but humor RoB. He doesnt have a lot going for him...
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Fri Feb 10 09:38:07 They're recon. So they were scouting sites to do any of what you mentioned. BTW, thanks for an article with a pic. Shockingly, it was hard to find one. Naive mistake, my ass, and if it was, they are terminally stupid and need to be discharged.
Allahuakbar Member	Fri Feb 10 09:39:18 "In Afghanistan. We sure are good at winning those hearts and minds." Nazis are certainly not worse than Usians, in fact they did a lot more good.
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 09:39:29 I just don't underdstand why the whole world won't warmly accept the beautiful "freedom" we're trying to give them.
Hip Member	Fri Feb 10 09:44:15 I really don't see how this is a story. It's obviously ignorance from a bunch of high school educated products of our American education fail system who have no clue what these symbols mean.
Dickhead UPer Member	Fri Feb 10 09:47:52 Anyone in here like the band KISS?
pillz Member	Fri Feb 10 09:48:51 NaziSS jew killers!
ehcks Member	Fri Feb 10 10:10:25 I also thought of the KISS letters, but the SS is in the middle of the flag. So I really don't get it. What could have possibly made them think that was a good idea?
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 12:51:34 "I really don't see how this is a story. It's obviously ignorance from a bunch of high school educated products of our American education fail system who have no clue what these symbols mean." We're spending trillions of dollars to have a bunch of ignorant, clueless products of a failed system try to defend our nation from terrorist attacks and spread worldwide freedom and democracy but this isn't newsworthy to you? Wow. Ok.
Hip Member	Fri Feb 10 13:01:13 I'm sorry; were they killing innocent Jews- or innocent anybody- or were they rounding people up into concentration camps? Where are the ovens? Where are the mass graves. See, the insinuation is: Ignorant high schooler poses with a symbol which for the Facebook generation is ancient history (70 years ago +/-), therefore said high schooler is a nazi.
Hip Member	Fri Feb 10 13:03:51 I chalk this up to our pathetic education system. Instead of learning reading, writing, and history, these dumbasses were forced to learn how to hug it out, and how to stimulate thier prostates during Gay Pride Awareness training. Instead of studying the wars of our fathers, they were busy learning how to hate Israel and how to love terrorist blockade runners, and how to put a condom on a cucumber. Instead of being aware of these symbols, they were forced to undergo gender neutrality training, and how to use their feelings more. Fucking BLEH!
Hip Member	Fri Feb 10 13:04:35 This is what High School is now that the faggot homos and "open borders" multiculturalists have infiltrated every segment of our society.
Hip Member	Fri Feb 10 13:04:45 God love 'em.
Assclown Vega Member	Fri Feb 10 13:10:24 LOL at the irony.
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 13:26:03 "I'm sorry; were they killing innocent Jews-" "Why would it have to be just jews? The nazis killed all KINDS of people for simply not being of proper arian descent like those pieces of shit in the photo. "or innocent anybody-" Yes, our military kills shitloads of innocent people, sometimes on purpose and sometimes even just for fun. You're not aware of that? "or were they rounding people up into concentration camps?" Yes, our military rounds people up and puts them in camps and sometimes just because of their race, appearance, affiliations, etc. "Where are the ovens?" Well, when you bomb a village or city setting all the buildings ablaze.... those are ovens. "Where are the mass graves." Here: http://www...e=news%5C2010-12-21%5Ckurd.htm And here: http://jafrianews.com/2011/02/13/us-invasion-victims-mass-grave-found-in-iraq/
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 13:26:29 "I really don't see how this is a story. It's obviously ignorance from a bunch of high school educated products of our American education fail system who have no clue what these symbols mean." We're spending trillions of dollars to have a bunch of ignorant, clueless products of a failed system try to defend our nation from terrorist attacks and spread worldwide freedom and democracy but this isn't newsworthy to you? Wow. Ok.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 14:48:56 "thanks for an article with a pic. Shockingly, it was hard to find one." You just aren't part of the right facebook groups :) And as I explained in the other thread: a) They are SS. b) The SS receives funding from Congress. c) They have been called the SS for decades. d) They've been cracking this joke since at least when I was in. e) I'm skeptical of the notion that the formers of that institution weren't aware of, or didn't think of, the other SS when they named it. Everything in the military gets abbreviated. f) "Thu Feb 09 15:15:31 (other thread) RoB will go bonkers. "
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 14:50:27 g) our nation has abolished snipers many times in the past. every war, we brought them back. so after 'nam we just said fuck it, kept 'em, and named them the American SS. wtf have you guys been? this isn't a secret. h) snipers are SUPPOSED to be misanthropic machines of death.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 14:52:08 More nazis: http://3.b...iagmJzcwW8/s1600/kiss_logo.gif
Sam Adams Member	Fri Feb 10 14:52:49 that symbol is pretty retarded though.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Feb 10 14:54:12 It would be one thing to have a german iron cross and deaths head logo, but the SS symbol is strait up nazi.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 14:55:37 Ya but it's taboo. Something Marines, snipers especially, tend to embrace and find hilarious - just because it *is* taboo.
Assclown Vega Member	Fri Feb 10 15:01:41 Sieg Freedom! Sieg Freedom! Sieg Freedom!
TJ Member	Fri Feb 10 15:29:00 A bullet passing the brow. Self inflicted.
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 15:34:46 Yeah, hilarious. See everyone laughing?
Rugian Member	Fri Feb 10 15:41:44 They chose to be publically recorded waving an SS flag around. I don't care what they call themselves within barracks, but the moment it leaked to the general world they deserved whatever punishment they're going to get.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 10 15:45:10 I can only assume your post was to draw my attention. You see, I'm not humored nor angry. Why would I expect laughter? It is what it is and as usual the brazen expose their stupidity. You aren't laughing because they didn't get their shit handed to them. That is fine and perfectly understood. As I said, it seems they've escaped their own bullet. I can see why it angers you.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 15:49:00 Snipers are actually usually pretty smart, on paper. It's a fairly academic skill-set, if we use a loose interpretation of 'academic'. Imagine someone like you, Rugian, but if you presented your UP persona openly to the world and without shame.
Rugian Member	Fri Feb 10 15:50:22 But I don't do that, because I'm not a fucking moron who wants to destroy my life. Apparently these snipers did not share that concern.
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 15:50:34 On a scale of 1-10 for correctness Rugian scores an 11. And I hope the punishment is that they get their asses kicked out of the military for good. Dishonorable discharges and maybe withhold their last checks. Who the hell wants to be represented by trash like this?
TJ Member	Fri Feb 10 15:55:57 Did you read your own link Rob? The Corps said in a statement that using the symbol was not acceptable, but the Marines in the photograph taken in September 2010 will not be disciplined because investigators determined it was a naive mistake. You can bet that it won't be overturned.
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 16:00:23 "Apparently these snipers did not share that concern." - Yeah, and they don't share that concern because they don't care what the hell anyone thinks about them and that's the problem right there. We need to be represented and protected by well-evolved human beings who give a fuck about the relationship between actions and consequences and who respect the people paying their salaries (us) enough to care about what we think about their performance.
Rugian Member	Fri Feb 10 16:01:52 German women were also represented by "SS" units on the Eastern front during WWII. There's a reason why nearly 2 million of them ended up getting raped by Slavic dick.
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 16:04:05 "The Corps said in a statement that using the symbol was not acceptable, but the Marines in the photograph taken in September 2010 will not be disciplined because investigators determined it was a naive mistake." - Well which is it? Earthpig says this was intentional and has been a running joke for decades inside the military. Now it's just a niave mistake?
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 16:07:24 Either way they are either way too stupid to be representing us abroad and charged with defending the US and spreading freedom and democracy, or they are too self-centered and disrespectful of others to be doing the same.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 10 16:10:50 According to the Corps investigation. I should have placed quotes (my bad). Not as bad as not reading it yourself though. chuckle It is the responsibility of EP to defend himself.
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 16:15:29 I read it. I was just going with EP's explanation. Like I said, either way retarded douchbags like this need to have jobs with very very minimum responsibility and exposure ..... like truckstop janitors and fluff boys for homemade gay porn vids.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Fri Feb 10 17:16:00 the hypocrisy is, as always, laughable and a symptom of low intelligence. If some iranian snipers had used this, there wouldnt be any "they're just kids who dont know any better" there would just be, "waaaaa threat to the world! we must use nuclear bombs on large population areas and kill people! killkillkillUSAUSAUSA!!!"
kargen Member	Fri Feb 10 17:35:33 That isn't a nazi symbol any more than the symbol used for a swastika is nazi. Those symbols were around long long before the nazi decided to use them. The sigrune represented the sun and later came to represent victory.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Fri Feb 10 17:36:37 yeah, thats what you'd say if it were brown skinned snipers, you pathetic joke.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 18:42:38 "Well which is it? Earthpig says this was intentional and has been a running joke for decades inside the military. Now it's just a niave mistake?" Exactly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 18:43:30 I don't know if you guys have noticed, but I haven't exactly been running around *defending* the mistaken notion that the MC is the boy scouts for the last several years.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 18:50:08 "Yeah, and they don't share that concern because they don't care what the hell anyone thinks about them and that's the problem right there." They are military snipers. They crossed the giving-a-shit-about-what-others-think-about-them-line the day they raised their hand and volunteered for SS. You can call snipers an unnecessary evil or a necessary evil, if you wish, just as long as you remove the notion of them being boy scouts from your thought process either way.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 18:53:21 "Today's lesson: Stalking. We're going to teach you how to sneak up on and kill someone that does not pose an immediate danger to you or others and to do so without giving them an opportunity to surrender or defend themselves."
TJ Member	Fri Feb 10 18:55:54 Marine turning Politician. Seems about right... chuckle
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 19:31:20 You guys would actually be surprised how UP-like many Marines are, behind closed doors. (none of these posts are mine) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1832211/upMarines.png
TJ Member	Fri Feb 10 19:46:29 There is no surprise.
kargen Member	Fri Feb 10 20:31:52 "yeah, thats what you'd say if it were brown skinned snipers, you pathetic joke." I got nothing against people with brown skin, be it natural or a tan. And yeah, I know my history so no matter who was posing (other than maybe actual nazi) I would say that isn't a nazi symbol. Who is posing with it doesn't change the history any ya fucking doofus.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 20:58:24 "And yeah, I know my history so no matter who was posing (other than maybe actual nazi) I would say that isn't a nazi symbol." Academically, you are absolutely correct. Outside of "it can be articulated that..." world, however, how naive are you?
kargen Member	Fri Feb 10 21:18:21 "Outside of "it can be articulated that..." world, however, how naive are you? " We have got to start educating somewhere. Might as well be here. If every time somebody claimed these symbols were Nazi symbols those who know better corrected them it wouldn't take long for that nonsense to end.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 21:20:26 Pretty sure Indians have been saying that about the swastika for seven decades.
river of blood Member	Fri Feb 10 21:57:13 Yep. And since stones can be used to build houses they cannot also be weapons. What a useless semantics game kargen is playing.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 22:02:00 RoB: I deleted from mah dropbox because I'm pretty sure one of you assholes would download it and use it for purposes I do not approve of, but my link above was a screencap of a whole bunch of Marines saying shit about drones and surveillance of American citizens that you would fiercely nod in agreement with. Marine vets are lots of pogues that lean close to the GOP, and lots of grunts and combat vets and the like that are about one iota away from being Libertarians - both domestically, and on foreign policy. If we conquered like five more countries, maybe we'd have enough combat vets for a Libertarian to take office? :P
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 22:05:13 Well. Hopefully by free and fair elections and not via the route that put Mussolini in power. Probably not worth the blood and treasure cost either way.
kargen Member	Fri Feb 10 23:41:42 "Pretty sure Indians have been saying that about the swastika for seven decades." So jump on in and help. Maybe we can put an end to this particular ignorance. "And since stones can be used to build houses they cannot also be weapons." Oh no, stones make for a very good crude weapon. Like about any other inanimate object it can be used as tool or weapon, up to the person weilding it to decide.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Feb 10 23:56:58 @kargen - the odds of a white dude putting a swastika bumper sticker on his car being motivated by something from India are so ridiculously small that I don't see the value in the endeavor you propose. Smart Americans *already* know not to be pissed off if McDonald's India includes temporary tattoos of a swastika in those happy meals.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Feb 11 00:30:14 http://xkcd.com/984/ (Not my fault! Someone else linked xkcd first)
WilliamTheBastard Member	Sat Feb 11 02:33:45 kargen, go look up the term 'rationalizing'
WilliamTheBastard Member	Sat Feb 11 02:36:35 Since you may not have the faculties for that task, In psychology and logic, rationalization (also known as making excuses[1]) is an unconscious defense mechanism in which perceived controversial behaviors or feelings are logically justified and explained in a rational or logical manner in order to avoid any true explanation, and are made consciously tolerable-- or even admirable and superior-- by plausible means.[2] Rationalization encourages irrational or unacceptable behavior, motives, or feelings and often involves ad hoc hypothesizing. This process ranges from fully conscious (e.g. to present an external defense against ridicule from others) to mostly subconscious (e.g. to create a block against internal feelings of guilt). People rationalize for various reasons. Rationalization may differentiate the original deterministic explanation of the behavior or feeling in question.[3][4] Sometimes rationalization occurs when we think we know ourselves better than we do. It is also an informal fallacy of reasoning.[5]
river of blood Member	Sat Feb 11 09:42:41 It's not a nazi symbol because it is also used for other stuff. Uh.... yeah.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Sat Feb 11 11:33:28 hilarious how kargen frets about "the consequences" of the childish birdie sign in one thread, while simultaneously trying to excuse and make light of any important signals in the SS sign, one of the most murderous organizations in human history
mexicantornado Member	Sat Feb 11 12:58:20 I really fail to see the controversy. They are fighting a war, their humor won't be PC. Unless they are found running execution camps, then I really won't give a shit what pictures they take of themselves. Including but not limited to them posing with dead corpses.
TJ Member	Sat Feb 11 14:01:13 They may as well of simply masturbated with pride. Only the numbers would have changed in this discussion. Yes, even the intentional is unaware of possible repercussions and that is most certainly naive. It is brazen stupidity marked by showing unaffected simplicity and lack of guile or worldly experience. Skilled, yes, in what they are trained. They are young and lack equally important skills. It was a necessary lesson for them and hopefully they will look at sensitive situations differently as they continue in their assigned activities. All military should learn from the example since far too many disregard those they represent without any hesitation. Clowning is a difficult refrain in life.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Feb 11 15:14:16 No one is going to be busy giving a shit about cultural sensitivities when they're in life-or-death situations. If you try to cram this "necessary lesson" down the throats of "all military", you're going to get even more brazen shit that you don't want as soon as the life-or-death sets in and career concerns go by the way-side.
TJ Member	Sat Feb 11 15:54:32 Well, I've never suggested cramming anything. Experiencing an example is not cramming. It isn't all encompassing either. It is a perfect example of career concerns. chuckle You are too close to the subject it appears. The world is no ones alone.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Sat Feb 11 17:01:24 so mehitard wouldnt find pics of AQ pissing on US corpses etc a problem either. or do you have total double standards? Because, y'know, it only takes the tiniest bit of intelligence to work out how pissy you would get, and that they get exactly as pissy, for the exact same reason, meaning if they capture any US troops, those guys are in for a real humdinger of a treat.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Sat Feb 11 17:03:12 oh wait, I forgot that spicface is an EXCEPTIONALIST, meaning that God allows the USA to do anyhthing they want to other people, but if anyone does the exact same thing to americans, then they're PURE EVIL
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Feb 11 17:11:03 "so mehitard wouldnt find pics of AQ pissing on US corpses etc a problem either." He didn't say that it "wasn't a problem", only that it was more-or-less "to be expected." Don't conflate those two things.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Sat Feb 11 17:17:47 incorrect Sat Feb 11 12:58:20
river of blood Member	Sat Feb 11 18:14:52 "....you're going to get even more brazen shit that you don't want as soon as the life-or-death sets in and career concerns go by the way-side." Where is the life or death situation in this photo? http://www...ttachmentid=63537&d=1328818433
FUCK YOU FAG Member	Sat Feb 11 18:18:01 Nazis are cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_IndUbcxc
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Feb 11 18:19:03 "Where is the life or death situation in this photo?" The six months before and after that photo was taken.
kargen Member	Sat Feb 11 18:42:01 "hilarious how kargen frets about "the consequences" of the childish birdie sign in one thread, while simultaneously trying to excuse and make light of any important signals in the SS sign, one of the most murderous organizations in human history" Idiot! I have not posted anything about what the consequences of the Marines posting with the symbol might be. I correctly pointed out it is not a Nazi symbol. I've decided to be less tolerant of ignorance and it is incorrect to say that symbol is a nazi symbol. Now had our resident moron RoB posted that they posed with a symbol often associated with nazi that would have been correct. To say it is a Nazi symbol though is wrong and that is the only thing I have commented on in this thread. I offered no opinion as to whether it was right or wrong for these Marines to pose with the symbol. The other thread I pointed out that while I was not bothered by what happened during the halftime show some people were. That being known it is possable that the FCC could step in and fuck things up even more than they already are. Is it of great importance, no, not compared to many other things. But as that thread was about the superbowl and not wars in the middle east I posted what the possible consequences could be. Ignorant fucks like you needed help in both threads to recognise your ignorance and I provided that assistance. You now know that the SS symbol is not always a Nazi symbol, and people doing mildly offensive things on live tv could lead to new regulations from the FCC. Now instead of spewing forth more dribble you should thank me for pointing out your ignorance so that you may become a better person.
river of blood Member	Sat Feb 11 18:45:57 "You now know that the SS symbol is not always a Nazi symbol" - Wait a minute. You said it wasn't a nazi symbol at all. Now you say sometimes it IS a nazi symbol? Which is it?
FUCK YOU FAG Member	Sat Feb 11 18:46:21 "I correctly pointed out it is not a Nazi symbol." What kind of symbol is it?
kargen Member	Sat Feb 11 18:53:38 You know better than that RoB. "Those symbols were around long long before the nazi decided to use them." That one fucking line tells you that the Nazi did ue the symbols. They just were not the first. dipshit. fag your answer is up above in one of my earlier posts. The lightning bolt S is a sigrune that represented the sun then later represented victory. Many symbols the Nazi party used were runes.
FUCK YOU FAG Member	Sat Feb 11 18:57:24 Yeah runes. But in that combination? Show me an example.
river of blood Member	Sat Feb 11 20:23:58 So wait a minute... Only PART of a nazi symbol was once used by someone else therefore the entire nazi symbol isn't a nazi symbol? I thought kargen meant the entire symbol (double lightening bolt esses) was a rune used to represent the sun. So I guess the symbol for peace (the circle with the upsidedown Y inside of it) isn't a symbol for peace because the circle is also used to represent the sun? Is that how this logic works?
kargen Member	Sat Feb 11 20:56:17 Okay I have changed my mind. What the marines are in front of was never a nazi symbol. THe nazi symbol was two white inverted sigrunes on a black background. The horizontal part of the "S" was lower on the right side than it was on the left. What the marines are in front of is two sigrunes on a blue background with the horizontal part of the "S" going straight across. Obviously not the same thing. So the marines are posing with a symbol that is in no way associated with the nazi party nor has it ever been. To say it is would be like arguing a green M using the Bell MT font is the McDonalds corporate logo. RoB you wanted to use the entire logo so we will, and that means black background and inverted runes neither of which the above marines posed with.
river of blood Member	Sun Feb 12 08:41:18 Let's review: http://www.keepshooting.com/german-nazi-ss-flag.html http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2012/02/marines-nazi-flag.png Now Kargen's position is that the symbol in second photo isn't an ss nazi logo because it's on a blue background instead of a black background like the one in the first photo. Everyone ok with that? Let's run that blue one up every flag pole in the country and surely the whole world will be ok with it ..... because the background is blue instead of black.
river of blood Member	Sun Feb 12 20:51:18 ttt
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Feb 12 20:53:11 2004 picture, obviously not forward deployed. :) http://www...1012/022012mc_ss_logo1_800.JPG
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Feb 12 20:53:59 Amos sorry for Marine use of Nazi SS logo By Dan Lamothe - Staff writer Posted : Friday Feb 10, 2012 15:15:03 EST Commandant Gen. Jim Amos has ordered an investigation of the scout sniper community’s usage of the notorious Nazi SS organization’s logo after a platoon in Afghanistan displayed it with the U.S. flag. The logo was depicted on a flag in a photograph of a scout sniper platoon taken in September 2010 in Helmand province’s Sangin district. The Marines were with Charlie Company, 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, out of Camp Pendleton, Calif., and are shown sitting in combat gear with the U.S. flag and a blue flag with the stylized letters in the “SS” logo hanging behind them. “On behalf of the Marine Corps and all Marines, I apologize to all offended by this regrettable incident,” Amos said. The incident has brought scrutiny to a longtime practice in the scout sniper community. Its members have used the “lightning bolt” SS logo for years on patches, posters and tattoos, a nod toward their title. The position is exclusive to the Corps; the Army has scouts and snipers, but separates their duties into two occupations. The commandant said Friday that he has directed commanders to investigate the prevalence of the SS logo and other unauthorized symbols within the reconnaissance and sniper communities and for Training and Education Command, out of Quantico, Va., to review scout sniper school training to ensure it is clear the logo’s use is banned. Sgt. Maj. Mike Barrett, the Corps’ top enlisted Marine, will meet personally with every senior staff noncommissioned officer in the sniper community in coming days to “reinforce my message and expectations,” Amos said. Barrett served as a scout sniper during the Gulf War, and later designed sniper training for Marine units in Iraq. The controversy erupted Thursday after the Military Religious Freedom Foundation distributed the flag photograph and another image from 2004 showing a Marine posing with a 7.62mm M40 sniper rifle inscribed with an “SS,” leading to widespread media coverage. The Corps acknowledged that the inspector general at Pendleton’s I Marine Expeditionary Force was made aware of the “SS” flag photograph in November. The incident was found not to be racially motivated, and the Marines depicted later acknowledged the symbol could be misinterpreted and “is not in keeping with our Marine Corps ethos and values,” said Lt. Col. Stewart Upton, a Marine spokesman. The Marines’ chain of command determined that disciplinary action was not warranted. They were ordered not to use the symbol anymore, and told that further use of it could result in punishment. A full investigation is necessary, said Mikey Weinstein, president of the MRFF, an organization that says it’s devoted to religious freedom in the military. The SS, or Schutzstaffel, was a military organization that committed a variety of war crimes, including killing U.S. prisoners of war. It was outlawed by Germany after World War II. “We don’t have all the information, but we know enough to know the Marine Corps needs to open a full investigation,” Weinstein said. “If these guys just get a non-judicial punishment, it’s absolutely absurd.” The SS logo has been worn by scout snipers going back to at least the 1980s, said Earl Catagnus Jr., who served as a scout sniper in Iraq and now teaches military history at Valley Forge Military Academy and College in Pennsylvania and other institutions. Catagnus never got an “SS” tattoo, he said, but he knows Marines of many races who did. “This symbol has taken on a myth of its own with scout snipers,” he said, adding that he does not condone its use. “They’re sporting it like it’s nothing because they have no idea what it means.” A Marine official, speaking on background due to the sensitivity of the issue, said Marine leadership does not believe the Marines depicted with the SS flag understood the significance of the logo. That seems possible, said Allen Falk, national commander of the Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America. “We believe that these young men likely did not understand the significance of this symbol, and we call on the Marine Corps to increase education on American history,” said Falk, who served in Vietnam as a Marine captain. “This issue goes beyond one of racism or anti-Semitism. Our fellow Americans fought and died to stop the Nazis, and it is shameful for any member of the military to display the symbols of Nazi Germany.” The Corps has addressed the use of the SS logo before, however. A PowerPoint presentation posted on a Marine Corps website said it should not be used in any tattoos. The logo was used by German special police during World War II and is still used by neo-Nazis and graffiti to characterize anti-Semitism, white supremacy and fascism, according to the presentation. It also has been included in previous scout sniper training at Quantico, Catagnus said. MRFF’s action was prompted by 45-active duty Marines expressing concern about the logo’s use, the organization said in a letter to Amos, Panetta and other top Pentagon officials.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Feb 12 20:55:55 TLDR: 1) The SS logo has been worn by scout snipers going back to at least the 1980s, said Earl Catagnus Jr., who served as a scout sniper in Iraq and now teaches military history at Valley Forge Military Academy and College in Pennsylvania and other institutions. Catagnus never got an “SS” tattoo, he said, but he knows Marines of many races who did. 2) EP was right.
river of blood Member	Sun Feb 12 21:03:18 "Commandant Gen. Jim Amos has ordered an investigation of the scout sniper community’s usage of the notorious Nazi SS organization’s logo" - But according to Kargen no such usage ever occured. Confused.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Feb 12 21:08:35 Nah it's cool. SS will just start using this: http://ima.../20120121162455!SS_Skull_2.png Which is more or less the only possible result of this fake controversy: increased controversy, cynicism, and misanthropy.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Feb 12 21:09:31 Our country wants snipers, and our country wants them to simultaneously be boy scouts. Dumbasses.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Feb 12 21:11:34 haha they beat me to it http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/yc4f34ad80.jpg
river of blood Member	Sun Feb 12 21:12:49 Not adopting the nazi SS logo as your own is being a "boy scout"?
river of blood Member	Sun Feb 12 21:14:49 Cool. Now they are nazis AND demonic. God damn, that is sooo fucking cooooool. Cool dude! Coooool! Let's worship death! Heh heh... heh heh heh...
river of blood Member	Sun Feb 12 21:16:44 Yeah, real honorable and dignified there. I love being represented by lost, sociopathic 14-year-old virgins.
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Feb 12 21:17:24 They are welfare suckling babykillers. You can't expect much.
river of blood Member	Sun Feb 12 21:17:44 It's like they think they're in a video game or something.
kargen Member	Sun Feb 12 21:21:28 "Let's review: http://www.keepshooting.com/german-nazi-ss-flag.html " If you bought that thinking it was the nazi symbol you got screwed. Go look at the officiall SS. You will se a distinct rise from right to left in the horizontal part of the S. That link the SS has no inclination from right to left.
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