Utopia Talk / Politics / Who's threatening who?

Forwyn Member	Sun Dec 11 23:13:13 http://a7....90801_10779412_403641272_n.jpg Each star represents a US military base.
McJesus Burger Member	Sun Dec 11 23:14:31 Those are there for our defense. They defend our freedom.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 11 23:28:58 We have a base in Turkmenistan? Holy shit! Well, the things you learn.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Dec 11 23:31:10 I'd want nukes, too.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 11 23:35:05 No, EP. Iran wants nukes for the sole purpose of destroying America and Israel and reestablishing the Muslim Caliphate. It has nothing to do with past campaigns by America to overthrow Iran's government, or with America's supplying of Iraq with WMDs during the 80s which were then used on Iranian civilians, or with the current US military buildup that has Iran totally surrounded by hostile forces. You crazy dawg.
Cloud Strife Member	Sun Dec 11 23:35:36 We are one heck of an empire!
Billah Member	Sun Dec 11 23:37:58 AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 00:34:48 Rugian, you are a traitorous fool. You ability to find excuses for theocracies to demand nuclear weapons, while entirely ignoring the fact that the current Iranian thuggocracy is intent on destroying Israel is both profound and frightening that you aren't alone in your idiocy.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 00:59:26 rugian is so not alone, even top israeli officials agree! If only the israeli defense minister or Mossad Chief knew as much as maximumtardation!!! "I don't think the Iranians, even if they got the bomb, are going to drop it in the neighborhood," Barak said. "They fully understand what might follow -- they are radical but not total 'meshugah.' They have a quite sophisticated decision-making process and they understand realities." "Israel's enemies would not dare even to consider a chemical weapons strike against it, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said on Tuesday. " 'Iran far from posing existential threat' Ex-Mossad Chief Ephraim Halevy warns strike on Iran could have devastating effect for region. 'Ultra-Orthodox radicalization poses bigger threat than Ahmadinejad,' he says
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 01:01:19 the ability of heads of Mossad and Israels defense to find excuses for theocracies to demand nuclear weapons, while entirely ignoring the fact that the current Iranian thuggocracy is intent on destroying Israel is both profound and frightening that they aren't alone in their idiocy, huh maximum?
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 01:32:58 Yes William, it is profoundly stupid to believe Iran doesn't have negative intentions with the nuclear bomb you yourself just admitted they intend on developing. If you were not so fucking stupid you would probably realize that Iran has been waging a proxy war against Israel for the past two decades. Now a couple questions I would love Fagfish to answer. A) Do you believe Iran is run by religious fanatics? (try not to answer the question by including America). B) Any reason to believe those religous fanatics don't seek Israel's destruction? (try not to answer the question by including America) I bet you refuse to answer both.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 01:37:06 wow, you need to get on the phone and tell the head of Israels defense and Mossad this immediately! because so far they agree with rugian and me, but boy are they in for a shock when you phone them and teach them how utterly wrong they are about Israel security and the threat of Iran!
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 01:56:34 Heres a question to maximumtardation. Who do you think knows more about the relationship between Israel and Iran; The head of Israel Defense and the head of Mossad whose viewpoint is "profoundly stupid to believe Iran doesn't have negative intentions with the nuclear bomb and if [they] were not so fucking stupid [they] would probably realize that Iran has been waging a proxy war against Israel for the past two decades," or mexicantornado, anonymous poster at UP with one of the worst reputations for stupidity and being wrong on the board ? I bet you refuse to answer.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 01:58:20 "I bet you refuse to answer both. " Wow fagfish, I must be a fortune teller.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 01:59:29 "I bet you refuse to answer." haha, I knew it!
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 02:00:01 "Who do you think knows more about the relationship between Israel and Iran; The head of Israel Defense and the head of Mossad whose viewpoint is "profoundly stupid to believe Iran doesn't have negative intentions with the nuclear bomb and if [they] were not so fucking stupid [they] would probably realize that Iran has been waging a proxy war against Israel for the past two decades," or mexicantornado, anonymous poster at UP with one of the worst reputations for stupidity and being wrong on the board ?" BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHa You clearly dont know how to quote people.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 02:00:25 "I bet you refuse to answer." haha, I knew it!
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 02:01:55 c'mon lil fellah, explain to the board how you know so much more than the "fucking stupid" opinions of the head of mossad and head of israeli defense? lol...
Sam Adams Member	Mon Dec 12 02:03:32 The western world will not start a war with Iran for no reason. If Iran would only behave like a civilized nation, they would be perfectly safe. Is tardfish running away from questions again?
earthpig GTFO HOer	Mon Dec 12 02:04:37 Pursuit of nuclear weapons is behaving like a civilized nation.
Crownroyal Member	Mon Dec 12 02:08:44 "B) Any reason to believe those religous fanatics don't seek Israel's destruction?(try not to answer the question by including America)" They got long term missiles now (Sejil), and they likely have bio and chem wmds. Why not act? Try not to give me some rational excuses. You are implying here that Iranian religious fanatics are not rational.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 02:09:22 well, maximumtardation? what makes you such an expert on Israel/Iran that you can call the perspectives of the heads of Mossad and Israel defense ministry "fucking stupid"?
Rugian Member	Mon Dec 12 07:44:50 "You ability to find excuses for theocracies to demand nuclear weapons," Who's demanding? Iran is alledgedly building nuclear weapons of their own. If you're saying that they're demanding the RIGHT to build nuclear weapons, that's both true and reasonable of the country. "while entirely ignoring the fact that the current Iranian thuggocracy is intent on destroying Israel" It's not. Please provide proof to back up this claim or it will be ignored henceforth. But hey, let's put all that aside for the moment. Do you at least acknowledge that a country who since 1950 has seen 1) its government overthrown by America, 2) 30 years of authoritarian rule by an American-supported dictator, and 3) multiple WMD attacks committed against it by Iraq, who was using American-supplied weapon, might, just MIGHT, want a way to guarantee its own protection aganist American imperialism? Or do you really refuse to see any of that and continue to blindly believe that it's all about "da Jooz?" Wake up man.
Crownroyal Member	Mon Dec 12 07:55:23 ^ Has ability to find excuses for theocracies to demand nuclear weapons.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 08:18:54 Fagfish, quit hiding behind the arguments of other posters. Rugian, we supplied Iraq with WMDs, Russia supplied Iran with WMDs. Iran used Hezbollah to take over Lebanon, used Hamas to wage an illegal war on Israel and controls Syria. They are intent on building an empire, obviously. And as to proof that they want to destroy Israel. Are you fucking serious? There president wants Israel wiped off the map. They have already committed proxy wars against ISrael. How the fuck can you be so dense/blind. It's entirely like the denial of Hitler's intentions during the 30s. CR, a nuclear weapon is entirely different from a long range missile. Obviously.
Crownroyal Member	Mon Dec 12 08:22:52 "CR, a nuclear weapon is entirely different from a long range missile. Obviously. " Did you even read what I said? bio and chem wmds?
jergul Member	Mon Dec 12 08:26:35 They are clearly so insane that they will not use WMDs do destroy Israel because they will use WMDs to destroy Israel.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 08:27:05 Again, quite different from a nuclear weapon. Do you agree or disagree that a country with a nuclear weapon is exponentially more powerful and influential than a country with mustard gas?
Crownroyal Member	Mon Dec 12 08:30:45 Why mustard? They reportedly have nerve gas, why not try to destroy israel right now? Its not like israel is that big.
jergul Member	Mon Dec 12 08:31:54 Since they are crazy - Why not destroy Israel with what they have?
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Dec 12 08:40:42 'Rugian, we supplied Iraq with WMDs, Russia supplied Iran with WMDs.' well known iraq caused 100k casualties with western supplied wmds so how many casualties did iran cause with russian supplied wmd
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 08:47:15 "Why mustard? They reportedly have nerve gas, why not try to destroy israel right now? Its not like israel is that big. " "Since they are crazy - Why not destroy Israel with what they have? " Crazy =/= Stupid. With a nuclear weapon they will have leverage against the Western world to not respond when they expand their empire into ME states &/or attack Israel.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 08:49:07 I would like to point out that NONE of you have offered any reason to believe that Iran isn't out to do harm to Israel and America as it pursues nuclear weapons. You all simply say they wouldn't do that, cause they haven't destroyed Israel yet. Which is an idiotic line of reasoning considering Iran's recent history with Israel.
Crownroyal Member	Mon Dec 12 08:50:14 "Crazy =/= Stupid" Really? But they are stupid enough not to care about the massive nuclear response from Israel, if they attempt any wmd attack? LOL, without the assumption that crazy = stupid, who cares about Iran's threats? As lond as they are not stupid, as you say, they know that Israel have enough nukes and means to deliever them.
Crownroyal Member	Mon Dec 12 08:52:04 "I would like to point out that NONE of you have offered any reason to believe that Iran isn't out to do harm to Israel and America as it pursues nuclear weapons." Sure they want to harm Israel and America, and Israel and America can take care of themselves. Do you want to compare the defence budgets?
jergul Member	Mon Dec 12 09:10:44 MT Oh, you mean leverage. Why of course they will have leverage and could quite possibly attack Israel with various conventional means. Say attack some weapon production sites, or perhaps try infecting critical computer systems. I can't imagine why you would complain if they did.
ehcks Member	Mon Dec 12 09:25:06 "it is profoundly stupid to believe Iran doesn't have negative intentions" Maybe if we hadn't been assholes screwing with their lives for the past so many decades they wouldn't hate us so much.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Dec 12 09:29:47 so mexicanretardo thinks Iran is not "stupid" enough to use chemical weapons to attack Israel, but Iran is "crazy" enough to use nuclear weapons on Israel? I see. How come you haven't killed yourself yet as you promised you would, mexicancowardo?
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Mon Dec 12 09:49:57 "Are you fucking serious? There president wants Israel wiped off the map." - source?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 12 10:19:40 You know, I want to give people like MT the benefit of doubt and think "naw he is trolling". Why you ask? Well because he has access to the Internet and he evidently frequents it very often, furthermore he has said these things before and been corrected before. Then I realize that no, this guy is for real mentally retarded.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 10:46:07 Indeed. you can post the head of Mossad and the head of the Israeli defense ministry saying Iran would never use that shit because theyre not crazy, and mexitard, the guy who knows far more about israeli security issues than Israel's chief experts on national security, continues to scream about liberal fucking stupidity or something. His brain doesnt work. This is not opinion or trolling, its proven facts. His brain is faulty.
ehcks Member	Mon Dec 12 11:07:07 The prevailing winds in the area mean that any use of nuclear weapon on Israel leads to a complete radioactive wasteland right through Iran. Even without retaliation nuking Israel would destroy themselves.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 11:08:20 Thank christ you idiots can only horde on the internet and not in real life. Would be a very scary world. Oh, and PPS. http://www...6/world/africa/26iht-iran.html
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 11:21:00 Thats right, you hallucinating moron, the head of Mossad and the head of the Israeli defense ministry only horde on the internet and not in real life. Would be a very scary world. You need to be locked up in an asylum.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 11:23:54 You made up a quote and keep asking me to clarify your bullshit quote. What the fuck is wrong with you kid?
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 11:28:14 And then, when theyve been completely destroyed, they start lying. mexitard, take your pathetic trolling elsewhere, this board has written you off as utterly worthless.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 11:36:33 Mexiwhore, if it turns out my quote was a lie, I will ask TC to have "massive liar" under my tag. If it turns out youre lying, we'll ask TC to do the same to your tag. Agree, you lying cunt? Youve run away from a similar challenge before, lets see if you have to run away from this challenge to your honesty and mine once more, you snivelling, lying, stupid fuck.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 11:43:33 You claimed I wrote. "profoundly stupid to believe Iran doesn't have negative intentions with the nuclear bomb and if [they] were not so fucking stupid [they] would probably realize that Iran has been waging a proxy war against Israel for the past two decades" I wrote "it is profoundly stupid to believe Iran doesn't have negative intentions with the nuclear bomb you yourself just admitted they intend on developing. If you were not so fucking stupid you would probably realize that Iran has been waging a proxy war against Israel for the past two decades. " You made up a quote and have been trying to make me defend the quote you created. Now, lets get that Lying cunt tag under your name, bitch.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 11:47:58 But hey, that won't be such a big deal because, ya know, youll just make another account. You have a lot of experience in that, right?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 12 11:48:04 The USA been waging a proxy war against Iran since 1980. Will the USA be nuking Iran anytime soon? Even better. The USA and Soviet Union waged proxy wars at a much much larger scale with each other, for about 40 years. How many times did they nuke each other? Oh and btw mexicanretardo, just because random people on the Internet "admit" to something on behalf of a third party does not make them true. I admit that you are a faggot, how about that? I admit you are a stupid faggot cunt.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 11:56:15 I used your words in a satirical paraphrase, the intent being the same as you said, you fucking fucking fucking fucking lying bastard moron whore.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 11:59:22 So, you changed my quote, right?
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 11:59:42 Square brackets, which I used, means, in correct paraphrasing/quoting, that I have edited the quote, you unbelievable fucking lying bastard maggot, btw.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 12 12:00:30 You know why every western leader thinks Iran is seeking nuclear weapons? Because when put in the same situation they know they would have too. That is what people mean when they "admit" Iran wants nuclear weapons. Yet there is still no evidence to support that claim and considering how difficult it seems to fathom the Iranian regime for everyone the possibility that they actually are not, is very likely.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 12:00:44 I never called it a quote, you lying bastard fucking tard cunt whore, you did, you son of one of Freds $10 mexican sperm bags.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Mon Dec 12 12:03:01 MT - ease read this: http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025 .... "Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote – they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomenei, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office.   The Actual Quote: So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem). So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel." The Proof: The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from)."
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 12 12:03:31 Since Israel already have nuclear weapons it makes other countries in the ME to want nuclear weapons too. I believe Saudi Arabia announced some days (weeks) ago that they want nuclear weapons. Israel's weapons makes a domino effect. To prevent the ME from developing nuclear weapons, the world has to destroy Israel's nuclear weapons first of all.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 12:04:35 You called the views that I share with the Mossad and the Israel defense bosses "profoundly stupid to believe Iran doesn't have negative intentions with the nuclear bomb and if you [they] were not so fucking stupid you [they] would probably realize that Iran has been waging a proxy war against Israel for the past two decades" They say the same thing as me. In fact, its me agreeing with their expertise. Therefore, your ranting applies to the views of the Mossad and the Israel defense bosses. You drooling slob of truck-driving sperm that oozed out of that mexican hellhole known as your whore-moms cunt.
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 12 12:10:10 "If Iran would only behave like a civilized nation, they would be perfectly safe." - Sam Adams You mean, if Iran behaved like Israel?
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Mon Dec 12 12:10:48 Also, it's not about preventing Iran from getting a nuke because of why they might do with it - that's just fear mongering for the retards. What the real issue is, is about preventing Iran from getting a nuke precisely because they won't use it - instead gaining more influence and recognition as a leader in the Islamic world and the dominating nation in the region to compete with the Western-bought Saudis.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 12 12:11:35 PhunkyPhishStyle Member Mon Dec 12 12:03:01 You know how many times that has been explained? On this forum let alone elsewhere in the world? No one cares what really happened.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 12:20:24 "ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!" "What was that?" "mexitard running away as fast as his fat, hairy little mexican legs can move again!"
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 12:30:42 mexicantornado Member Mon Dec 12 02:00:01 ... BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHa You clearly dont know how to quote people. Eng 101: Square Brackets or Brackets square brackets We typically use square brackets when we want to modify another person's words. Here, we want to make it clear that the modification has been made by us, not by the original writer. For example: British English [] = square brackets American English [] = brackets to add clarification: The witness said: "He [the policeman] hit me." http://www...unctuation-square-brackets.htm BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHa You clearly dont know how to quote people, you spic faggot
kargen Member	Mon Dec 12 12:41:20 "or with America's supplying of Iraq with WMDs during the 80s which were then used on Iranian civilians," I can't believe I have to point this out once again but here goes. While the United States did supply Iraq with all kinds of nasty weapons (a Senate report actually lists everything sent) those weapons were not used in the war on Iran. It was a UN investigation that discovered this fact. They had samples of the chemical weapons used in Iran. Those samples do not match the chemical make-up of the US supplied weapons. The samples are an exact match though for weapons that were produced by France and USSR/Russia.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 12 12:45:14 U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record. http://en....ring_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 13:26:49 @PPS - Look into the forum Ahmadinejad was speaking at and then decide what context he meant when he said "wipe Israel off the map". @fagfish - you changed my quote and changed the context. Now let TC add lying cunt under your name, because you are a lying cunt.
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Dec 12 13:31:24 it meant to 'wipe israel off map' if and only if 'wipe off map' is what george bush does to baathist iraq or that soviet union was 'wiped off map'
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 13:32:03 ^forum whore property of UP
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 13:32:33 @tornado of lies
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 12 13:35:11 >>context he meant when he said "wipe Israel off the map"<< lol, do you see what I mean PPS?
mexicantornado Member	Mon Dec 12 14:02:43 For fucks sake. He said it at a program called "the world without zionism" and claimed Palestinian attacks would do it. http://www...6/world/africa/26iht-iran.html What level of stupidity/delusion is it to believe a country which has actively used warfare to harm another state would really only be seeking a peaceful political solution to remove the nation when talking about wiping it off the map. I mean, holy fuck.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 14:14:51 ^ gangraped by UP lol
earthpig GTFO HOer	Mon Dec 12 14:29:05 Goddamn, MT.
MrPresident07 Member	Mon Dec 12 14:31:33 "What the real issue is, is about preventing Iran from getting a nuke precisely because they won't use it - instead gaining more influence and recognition as a leader in the Islamic world and the dominating nation in the region to compete with the Western-bought Saudis." Which is enough to prevent Iran from getting weapons. Nobody thinks Iran is immediately going to start firing nukes at Israel once they get them...however this does not mean they never will in the future. Iran having nukes is unacceptable.
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Dec 12 14:44:27 actual context of 'regime occupying jerusalem vanishing from time' [aka 'wiped off map'] http://www...00&en=26f07fc5b7543417&ei=5070 Text of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Speech Let’s take a step back. We had a hostile regime in this country which was undemocratic, armed to the teeth and, with SAVAK, its security apparatus of SAVAK [the intelligence bureau of the Shah of Iran’s government] watched everyone. An environment of terror existed. When our dear Imam [Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder the Iranian revolution] said that the regime must be removed, many of those who claimed to be politically well-informed said it was not possible. All the corrupt governments were in support of the regime when Imam Khomeini started his movement. All the Western and Eastern countries supported the regime even after the massacre of September 7 [1978] and said the removal of the regime was not possible. But our people resisted and it is 27 years now that we have survived without a regime dependant on the United States. The tyranny of the East and the West over the world must should end, but weak people who can see only what lies in front of them cannot believe this. Who could believe that one day we could witness the collapse of the Eastern Empire? But we have seen its fall during our lives and it collapsed in such a way that we have to refer to libraries because no trace of it is left. Imam [Khomeini] said Saddam must go and he said he would grow weaker than anyone could imagine. Now you see the man who spoke with such arrogance ten years ago that one would have thought he was immortal, is being tried in his own country in handcuffs and shackles by those who he believed supported him and with whose backing he committed his crimes. Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world. But we must be aware of tricks.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Mon Dec 12 14:57:14 "lol, do you see what I mean PPS?" - haha. shit is worse than I thought. mtard lulz.
Garyd Member	Mon Dec 12 15:19:07 One should admit that those bases were for the most part not there prior to 9/11 and even fewer were there prior to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. In other words those bases weren't there until the mad arab kick the sleeping giant and Saddam attacked out oil supply.
chen Member	Mon Dec 12 15:24:44 Look mp, tardo... There's going to come a point where technology evolves. This is what separates humans from animals. We're getting to the point where the atomic bomb is 65+ years old. I don't want questionable administrations to acquire these weapons as much as the next guy, but there will come a point where they find a way to figure out how to advance. Their intentions could be bad or could be for self defense. No one can say that for sure. America certainly isn't clean in this nor are they. Countries tend to act in self preservation first and foremost and with mutually assured destruction we'll have to expect it to continue to work. Not because it's the 'safest' approach for us, but because it's the smartest choice. There comes a point where pushing endless resources will be for nothing. At some point you just need to accept that 65+ year old tech will advance. Even the cavemen in north korea could figure that out.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Mon Dec 12 15:25:59 Put yourself in Iran's shoes. Is any of that relevant? Aside from lending itself to a narrative wherein American Jews engineered 9/11 to justify slaughtering a bunch of Arabs and simultaneously position U.S. forces to be prepared to eradicate Persian civilization and eliminate Iranian sovereignty bla bla bla. Oh, wait. That narrative is already in place in Iran. So, yeah, what you've pointed out has already been observed and used effectively by the regime in Iran.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Mon Dec 12 15:26:07 ^ @ Garyd
WilliamTheBastard Member	Mon Dec 12 15:29:05 "In other words those bases weren't there until the mad arab kick the sleeping giant and Saddam attacked out oil supply. " Someone translate to adult language?
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 12 15:58:25 I have noticed that since I and other freedom lovers started to show a map of Palestine, like this one http://che...l-wiped-palestine-off-map.html and explaining how Israel is wiping Palestine off the map, that Israel has stopped using their false claim that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map. Zionists are hardly claiming it any longer. Lolz. They don't want to hear "wiped off the map" anymore because it is backfiring at them.
MrPresident07 Member	Mon Dec 12 16:29:08 "I don't want questionable administrations to acquire these weapons as much as the next guy, but there will come a point where they find a way to figure out how to advance." Fine, but not before we can counter it.
chen Member	Mon Dec 12 18:55:36 "Fine, but not before we can counter it." The time to counter it is pretty much over. Like I said humans always advance. The cavemen in north korea figured it out. Pakistan, Russia, China, India all have the bomb. The tech is 65 years old. Instead we should work on radiation detection technology and missile defense. Or just expect MAD to continue to work since it got us this far without turning the world into a giant crater. Either way we're at the time where we can no longer stop advancement of this particular tech. We're wasting too much resources to delay what's inevitable.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 12 19:00:48 ^That is probably the best reason I have heard so far.
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Dec 12 19:33:07 Iran is not a threat to the United States.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Dec 12 19:37:51 no, but they are to our imperial trade lines. White man's gotta run the world.
Aeros Member	Mon Dec 12 23:08:58 Someones been playing Empire: Total War
Garyd Member	Mon Dec 12 23:27:22 So RM believes that once Iran has a weapon, it won't immediately begin seeking some way to effectively deploy it against those they conmsider to be their major enemy. The heirs of the ayatollah are at least as vile if not more vile than the Shah. And why was it that the Ayahtollah did not like the shah? Easy question he began almost imediately to implement Mossadiq's policies. To expect the rules of MAD to work in this regard is short sighted foolishness.
chen Member	Tue Dec 13 10:11:21 Yes, yes, they hate us because of our freedom. You check under your bed for muslim terrorists every night. We get it. Now can a person who actually has a brain comment as to what we gain from tying up resources to delay their inevitable advancement to acquire 65 year old technology? Or maybe at least a rational explanation to the how we stop them instead of just saying Iran hates our freedom and we'll be greeted as liberators with rose pedal parades? The how also can't include unilateral military action as we all know that get's us nowhere.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 13 10:38:35 >>So RM believes that once Iran has a weapon, it won't immediately begin seeking some way to effectively deploy it against those they conmsider to be their major enemy.<< Are you for real? I mean yes I call you retarded, but really are this fucking stupid? Do you actually believe this retarded bullshit? You know somewhere in some black and white Utopia 30 years ago, that might have been true. But the people controlling Iran now, they are running some of Irans largest companies, they have power and money. All those economic sanctions against IRGC? Yes the IRGC is the economic powerhouse of Iran. You think those fuck are going to through away all that? For Israel? You are one dumb fuck garyd. All this Israel and Palestine talk in Iran is just another way for the IRGC to expand it's influence in the region, it's ECONOMIC influence. Poor Palestinians serve as a useful tool for Iran. And people like you are the Palestinians of the USA, you serve a useful tool for the USA in it's effort to keep it's position as the economic "go to guy" in the middle east. Did it some how elude anyone that this is about money and wealth? You think otherwise and know this, you are just another useful tool.
WilliamTheBastard Member	Tue Dec 13 15:49:42 grrrd is where the USA begins to resemble africa
MrPresident07 Member	Tue Dec 13 16:14:18 If we cannot counter/deter it then we should prevent it from happening. This is totally different than a NK situation both strategically and threat wise.
Renzo Marquez Member	Tue Dec 13 17:42:38 Nimatzo iChihuaha Tue Dec 13 10:38:35 "Are you for real? I mean yes I call you retarded, but really are this fucking stupid? Do you actually believe this retarded bullshit?" Yes, gayd is in fact retarded.
Y2A Member	Tue Dec 13 20:53:37 dude, he has a point. the soviet union nuked us like twice during ww2.
chen Member	Wed Dec 14 01:20:52 'If we cannot counter/deter it then we should prevent it from happening. This is totally different than a NK situation both strategically and threat wise.' You're right. Iran has a much saner population and government than NK.
Garyd Member	Wed Dec 14 02:40:06 Only marginally if at all. No one in the government of NK believes that if they start to lose a war that the 13th Imam will rise from the whole in the ground he crawled into some centuries back, turn all weapons more modern than a sword into so much steel and plastic of less utility than a spear. That meanwhile is the view of at least a few in the leadership in Iran. How seriously they take it is anyone's guess but hey it's not like there crazy or anything...
Billah Member	Wed Dec 14 02:41:59 AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
Billah Member	Wed Dec 14 02:42:04 AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
Billah Member	Wed Dec 14 02:42:12 AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
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