Utopia Talk / Politics / Water and Carrots Cures Minor Dehydratio

earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 20 15:23:55 Let's continue here, RoB, so the other thread (about preventing dehydration) can continue. Thread about preventing dehydration: http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=49645 Thread about treating dehydration: Here.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 20 15:26:29 is EP trying to say that water is not used in the treatment of dehydration? That there is a significant difference between preventing and treating the 2?
river of blood Member	Sun Nov 20 15:30:00 YES. Go to the other thread. His position is that water does not treat dehydration. You need "medical treatment" for that. Jergul says you have have some special sponge they dab in your mouth.... THEN maybe you can have some water and that might help..... with your dehydration.
river of blood Member	Sun Nov 20 15:30:42 This is the kind of mindless shit I have to sift through in order to have intelligent discussions about health with some UPers here.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 20 15:31:24 No, not at all. RoB's position seems to be that water alone both prevents and treats dehydration regardless of severity. Mine: You prevent dehydration with water and carrots. And you can indeed treat minor dehydration with water and carrots. Short of dehydration, at the "I'm a bit thirsty" level, you can drink water and then continue about your normal day (which includes eating) and be fine.
river of blood Member	Sun Nov 20 15:31:29 And the thread itself shows the EU claiming that water doesn't even PREVENT dehydration.
river of blood Member	Sun Nov 20 15:32:36 "RoB's position seems to be that water alone both prevents and treats dehydration regardless of severity." - Nowhere have I said that or even come close to saying that, and you know it, ep. Wow, you're totally pathetic.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 20 15:33:56 "the thread itself shows the EU claiming that water doesn't even PREVENT dehydration." Yes, which is retarded. Consensus has been achieved on that.
river of blood Member	Sun Nov 20 15:35:20 "Because water does not treat dehydration. Water is for PRVENTING dehydration." - earthpig http://www...hread=49645&time=1321824796901
river of rofls Member	Sun Nov 20 15:37:11 If you puree carrots and mix them with water but then mix 10x the same amount of water into the mixture, the water naturally has a memory of what it was like to be filled with carrots. The new mixture will provide all the medical benefits of the original mixture. As an added plus, you won't have flecks of carrots clogging up the bottle's nozzle as often. That's science, cum-chuggers. Slap slap.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 20 15:37:17 "RoB's position seems to be that water alone both prevents and treats dehydration regardless of severity. " and 99% of time he would be right. Only when you are incapacitated and dieing would something more serious, like IVs, be required.
river of blood Member	Sun Nov 20 15:37:46 "And to clarify, the "I'm a bit thirsty" feeling after a short 10 mile run is NOT dehydration." - earthpig WOW
river of blood Member	Sun Nov 20 15:39:14 I've posted NIH's defintion of dehydration and their recommendations (water) and earthpig is still refuting it. He has his own wierd idea about this and he's sticking with it.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 20 15:39:22 " "Because water does not treat dehydration. Water is for PREVENTING dehydration." - earthpig " Aside from very minor dehydration, and assuming you are otherwise doing all the normal things folks typically do every day, this is a correct statement. Plan to put a bunch of weight on your back and walk long distances uphill? Eat a slightly larger breakfast than normal consisting of food that stays down well, and drink shit tons of water.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 20 15:41:50 "I've posted NIH's defintion of dehydration and their recommendations (water)" You posted their recommendation for "oh, I'm a bit parched, perhaps I should drink some water" level of dehydration. From your own link, RoB: " Electrolyte solutions or freezer pops are very effective. These are available at pharmacies. Sports drinks contain a lot of sugar and can cause or worsen diarrhea. In infants and children, avoid using water as the primary replacement fluid. Intravenous fluids and a hospital stay may be needed for moderate to severe dehydration. The health care provider will try to identify and then treat the cause of the dehydration. "
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 20 15:43:41 a large breakfast that stays down well... dunno if such a thing exists. besides at high altitude you can't eat anything. The real key to a longass summit day is to have extra muscle mass that can be burned away.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 20 15:47:16 Bananas where always my go-to. Never did the high altitude climbing thing. Just lots of walking uphill, downhill, uphill, downhill. http://map...San+Diego,+California&t=h&z=12
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 20 15:49:09 And yeah, I've seen dudes collapse from dehydration that had PLENTY of water both before and during the various events.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 20 15:52:14 the thin air SUCKS. Its awful. It really is.
Billah Member	Sun Nov 20 16:17:55 Thin air only sucks if you try to exert yourself too hard. I was once in Colorado at 12,500 feet and I chased a herd of bighorn sheep maybe a quarter mile and then I realized I was descending down the opposite side of the ridge I'd climbed and that I'd have to climb all the way back and over. I ended up getting a headache pretty quick and had to sit on a rock for a few minutes. I like how sound is so deadened at higher altitude you can yell and its like it doesn't go anywhere.
Mr Kennedy Member	Sun Nov 20 16:20:28 So you were chasing sheep on a mountain?
Billah Member	Sun Nov 20 16:21:50 Yeah, why not?
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 20 16:21:56 "I ended up getting a headache pretty quick and had to sit on a rock for a few minutes." Drink water, and include carrots, bananas, or similar in your next meal - especially if you plan on sheep-chasing the next day.
Billah Member	Sun Nov 20 16:22:33 I've chased deer before that's a lot of fun. If the trees are thick they don't move too fast and it's easy to follow the noise they make and their footprints and broken branches.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 20 16:27:16 "Thin air only sucks if you try to exert yourself too hard." how do you intend to climb a mountain without exerting yourself?
Billah Member	Sun Nov 20 16:27:18 My camping food is usually the same every time, something like: tortillas (or bread), cheese, hot dogs, avocados. When I'm out in the boonies I try to bring really fatty foods with me, and I always gotta have bread.
Billah Member	Sun Nov 20 16:28:43 What I'm saying is if you pace yourself and go steadily and keep conscious about your breathing and take short water breaks, it's a lot easier than if you wind yourself because it takes a lot longer to regain your breath at a high altitude.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 20 16:32:23 pacing yourself at 19,000 still leaves you out of breath :P Short water breaks are also not a good idea. You want to stay in a steady rhythm for hours if possible. Also on some peaks its not safe to stop unless you are in certain spots, so then your break-schedule is forced.
Billah Member	Sun Nov 20 16:32:30 I might have it a little easier than you, I live at more than 5000 feet.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 20 16:40:37 ya, that certainly helps. Although 19,000 feet is brutal no matter where you come from.
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