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Member | Sun Nov 20 11:59:07 EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration Brussels bureaucrats were ridiculed yesterday after banning drink manufacturers from claiming that water can prevent dehydration. By Victoria Ward and Nick Collins 6:20AM GMT 18 Nov 2011 EU officials concluded that, following a three-year investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact. Producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict, which comes into force in the UK next month. Last night, critics claimed the EU was at odds with both science and common sense. Conservative MEP Roger Helmer said: “This is stupidity writ large. “The euro is burning, the EU is falling apart and yet here they are: highly-paid, highly-pensioned officials worrying about the obvious qualities of water and trying to deny us the right to say what is patently true. “If ever there were an episode which demonstrates the folly of the great European project then this is it.” NHS health guidelines state clearly that drinking water helps avoid dehydration, and that Britons should drink at least 1.2 litres per day. The Department for Health disputed the wisdom of the new law. A spokesman said: “Of course water hydrates. While we support the EU in preventing false claims about products, we need to exercise common sense as far as possible." German professors Dr Andreas Hahn and Dr Moritz Hagenmeyer, who advise food manufacturers on how to advertise their products, asked the European Commission if the claim could be made on labels. They compiled what they assumed was an uncontroversial statement in order to test new laws which allow products to claim they can reduce the risk of disease, subject to EU approval. They applied for the right to state that “regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the risk of development of dehydration” as well as preventing a decrease in performance. However, last February, the European Food Standards Authority (EFSA) refused to approve the statement. A meeting of 21 scientists in Parma, Italy, concluded that reduced water content in the body was a symptom of dehydration and not something that drinking water could subsequently control. Now the EFSA verdict has been turned into an EU directive which was issued on Wednesday. Ukip MEP Paul Nuttall said the ruling made the “bendy banana law” look “positively sane”. He said: “I had to read this four or five times before I believed it. It is a perfect example of what Brussels does best. Spend three years, with 20 separate pieces of correspondence before summoning 21 professors to Parma where they decide with great solemnity that drinking water cannot be sold as a way to combat dehydration. “Then they make this judgment law and make it clear that if anybody dares sell water claiming that it is effective against dehydration they could get into serious legal bother. EU regulations, which aim to uphold food standards across member states, are frequently criticised. Rules banning bent bananas and curved cucumbers were scrapped in 2008 after causing international ridicule. Prof Hahn, from the Institute for Food Science and Human Nutrition at Hanover Leibniz University, said the European Commission had made another mistake with its latest ruling. “What is our reaction to the outcome? Let us put it this way: We are neither surprised nor delighted. “The European Commission is wrong; it should have authorised the claim. That should be more than clear to anyone who has consumed water in the past, and who has not? We fear there is something wrong in the state of Europe.” Prof Brian Ratcliffe, spokesman for the Nutrition Society, said dehydration was usually caused by a clinical condition and that one could remain adequately hydrated without drinking water. He said: “The EU is saying that this does not reduce the risk of dehydration and that is correct. “This claim is trying to imply that there is something special about bottled water which is not a reasonable claim.” http://www...r-can-prevent-dehydration.html |
Billah
Member | Sun Nov 20 11:59:49 I put this on my facebook this morning. I don't understand how a government can be this dumb. This is even dumber than calling pizza a vegetable. |
Aeros
Member | Sun Nov 20 12:01:40 I don't know, I think its a close tie. |
jergul
Member | Sun Nov 20 12:07:25 You people do not know of google? Search and you will find. |
werewolf dictator
Member | Sun Nov 20 12:10:33 eating pizza helps significantly reduce risk of malnutrition and death [vs tacit default state of starvation] |
Rugian
Member | Sun Nov 20 12:15:16 I look forward to Oddfish and other Europeans criticizing Europe as heavily as they criticized Republicans for the pizza-vegetable thing. |
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member | Sun Nov 20 12:18:40 That reminds me dude, why didn't you disagree with the repubs pizza vegatable thing? |
Rugian
Member | Sun Nov 20 12:23:00 I felt no need to jump into a conversation where the side I agreed with was acting like rabid assholes. |
Hot Rod
Member | Sun Nov 20 12:29:19 "Water does not cure dehydration" LOL, Now *THAT'S* funny. :) |
Cherub Cow
Member | Sun Nov 20 12:42:11 The Circumlocution Office strikes again! |
tumbleweed
the wanderer | Sun Nov 20 13:42:12 buy stock in Brawndo! |
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member | Sun Nov 20 13:46:20 I thought for sure this would be an Onion article. smh |
jergul
Member | Sun Nov 20 14:32:55 Oh come on. Dehydration is a medical term. Treatment providing water alone is only given when the curative stage of treatment is over and palliative care is taking place. For example using a small sponge to moisten the inner mouth of a terminal patient. For treatment of dehydration - see wikipedia. |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 14:38:10 treating dehydration != preventing dehydration |
Sam Adams
Member | Sun Nov 20 14:46:38 nanny states are so fucking retarded, yet the left wants to increase their power. |
ehcks
Member | Sun Nov 20 14:50:35 The idea is that the companies are labeling their products to scare people into buying them. "Prevents dehydration!" is only one step below "Prevents death!" Should companies be able to label their products with claims that you'll die if you don't use them? |
Rugian
Member | Sun Nov 20 14:54:02 "Should companies be able to label their products with claims that you'll die if you don't use them?" If it's true, then yes, of course. It's retarded that you have to ask that. |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 14:55:41 I've been relentlessly bashed on UP for the last year or two for saying that water cures dehydration and now that the EU comes out and says that it doesn't everyone is saying they're insane? Ok. |
chuck
Member | Sun Nov 20 14:56:52 grumble grumble shrimp on treadmills grumble grumble |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 14:58:35 Because bottled water is not a valid medical treatment for dehydration. Read the thread, read the article, and ignore the thread title. Water is for preventing dehydration. |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:01:06 "Oh come on. Dehydration is a medical term. Treatment providing water alone is only given when the curative stage of treatment is over and palliative care is taking place." So if I go on a ten mile jog and get dehydrated then I can't just drink some water? I have to get "medical treatment" first that invloves, for example, using a small sponge to moisten my inner mouth? Did you really just say this? Do tell, what exactly would this sponge be moistened with? |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:03:00 "Water is for preventing dehydration." Uhh.... yeah. It's also for getting rid of your dehydration.... for HYDRATING you. Do you really not know this? (most amazingly stupid thread in UP history) |
Aer0s
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:06:03 If I was dehydrated I would pay a doctor 5k to cut my stomach open me and pour some water in it. Don't want to take any risks. Better to leave it to the professionals. |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:06:21 "The treatment for minor dehydration often considered the most effective, is drinking water and stopping fluid loss. Plain water restores only the volume of the blood plasma, inhibiting the thirst mechanism before solute levels can be replenished." But if it is minor enough, it's all good and you are fine. To paraphrase a USMC saying: "If you're really thirsty, you've already fucked up and done something wrong." |
Garyd
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:06:38 Ah the wonders of bureaucracy. Bureacracy like any other mob get dumber as it gets bigger. |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:06:48 I'd love to find morons like earthpig and jergul dying of thirst in the middle of the desert and begging me for help so I can say "sorry dudes, I don't have sponges or medical supplies with me. I've got this jug of water here, but since that won't help you then there's no point wasting it on you. Ok, see you later. Good luck." |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:07:47 And to clarify, the "I'm a bit thirsty" feeling after a short 10 mile run is NOT dehydration. Put 80 lbs on your back, drink only one glass of water in the morning, and walk 20 miles. That is dehydration. |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:08:02 "If I was dehydrated I would pay a doctor 5k to cut my stomach open me and pour some water in it. Don't want to take any risks. Better to leave it to the professionals." <--- rofl |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:09:04 "And to clarify, the "I'm a bit thirsty" feeling after a short 10 mile run is NOT dehydration." Yes it is, dumbshit. Wow!!! |
chuck
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:09:20 ^rofls at his own multis |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:11:57 http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000982.htm "Dehydration means your body does not have as much water and fluids as it should. Dehydration can be mild, moderate, or severe based on how much of the body's fluid is lost or not replenished." |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:13:00 lol, god almighty, how the fuck do you get through a day without caretakers, earthpig? |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:14:01 From the same NIH link: "Drinking fluids is usually enough for mild dehydration." |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:14:41 But of course MOST of us know basic simple shit like this without the NIH telling us. |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:17:38 Minor dehydration isn't really what is relevant here. Of course doing what your body tells you (which will include pigging the fuck out, btw) will address that. |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:19:02 From your own link, RoB: Electrolyte solutions or freezer pops are very effective. These are available at pharmacies. Sports drinks contain a lot of sugar and can cause or worsen diarrhea. In infants and children, avoid using water as the primary replacement fluid. Intravenous fluids and a hospital stay may be needed for moderate to severe dehydration. The health care provider will try to identify and then treat the cause of the dehydration. |
river of rofls
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:19:13 LOL EP so you're saying water and carrots would cure dehydration??? God it's just so easy with you people. |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:20:09 "Minor dehydration isn't really what is relevant here." lol, what? Says who? |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:20:09 "Minor dehydration isn't really what is relevant here." lol, what? Says who? |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:20:32 The article in OP isn't about treating dehydration, but if you think you're going to fix someone that just collapsed from dehydration by merely pouring water down their throat, I'm afraid you are mistaken. |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:21:05 "From your own link, RoB:" - Where does any of that say that water doesn't cure dehydration, idiot? |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:22:18 "EP so you're saying water and carrots would cure dehydration???" Minor dehydration? Absolutely. http://www..._foods-high-electrolytes_.html "Which Foods Are High in Electrolytes? ... Fruit and vegetables, even canned or frozen vegetables, such as corn, carrots and green beans, are high in electrolytes, as are bread, milk and fruit. Water with a small pinch of salt, sugar and flour added to it will provide lots of electrolytes for your body. Tap water or spring water does not contain electrolytes." |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:23:00 "Electrolyte solutions or freezer pops are very effective." So? And? "In infants and children, avoid using water as the primary replacement fluid." So? And? |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:24:03 "Minor dehydration? Absolutely." The ruling says IT DOESN'T. So you're disagreeing with the ruling now? Which is it? |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:24:15 Go here: http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=49648 |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:26:23 "the article in OP isn't about treating dehydration" Yeah, it says you can't even PREVENT dehydration!! Wow! And you agree with this too? |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:27:39 Go here --> http://www.stewarthome.com/disabled/ |
Truther
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:28:34 So let me see if I understand. If i'm jogging with my bottle of water and I have a drink every few minutes, i'm not preventing dehydration? |
werewolf dictator
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:32:19 [advertisement] eat extenz pizza eating our pizza stops you from dying it also increases male libido and makes the male organs larger for love making [/advertisement] ^okay advertisements in usian view |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:33:16 "If i'm jogging with my bottle of water and I have a drink every few minutes, i'm not preventing dehydration?" Of course you are. Presumably, you've eaten in the last 24 hours - correct? |
Truther
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:34:47 So how is water not preventing my dehydration? |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:35:30 Eh? Water is a critical component in preventing dehydration. |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 15:52:30 Weeellll.... only for preventing that little "I'm thirsty" feeling, but not anything beyond that. - earthpig MD, makes up his own reality which ignores common sense |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 15:57:33 lol, you still don't understand causal relationships. |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 19:30:47 Sure I do. I'm having a casual relationship with your mom right now. |
earthpig
GTFO HOer | Sun Nov 20 19:33:39 When you are 13 and the moms in question can be early 30s, that kind of joke works. When we're all in our late 20s or older, placing our mothers in their late 40s or older, it kind of stops being an insult to the other person. |
river of blood
Member | Sun Nov 20 19:35:11 Not when it's a bukake relationship. |
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