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mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 13:07:59
Do you believe Kagan should recuse herself from the Obamacare ruling due to her position as solicitor general in the Obama administration?

Do you believe Thomas should recuse himself because his wife has taken at least $150,000 in speaker fees from various anti-obamacare groups?
Clitoral Hood
The Bloody Scourge
Wed Nov 16 13:11:05
mt do you believe that glen beck had 500k people at his rally?
mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 13:11:53
Spamming much?
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 16 13:13:01
Why should she recuse herself, I don't understand? She was paid to be a solicitor general and did her job, and now she is paid to be a justice, and will do her job. What's the problem?
Clitoral Hood
The Bloody Scourge
Wed Nov 16 13:13:57
only as much as you.
mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 13:20:02
I am just asking the question, my opinion on either side isn't stated yet. I just want to see if Aeros and EP are as hackish as they appear.
Clitoral Hood
The Bloody Scourge
Wed Nov 16 13:21:07
and I wanted to see if you are still as hackish as you have been.
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 16 13:25:20
http://www...homas-20111114,0,7978224.story

This should not be happening though.
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Nov 16 15:03:49
An independent judiciary is critical. Almost as critical is avoiding the very appearance of impropriety.

I haven't followed Obamacare's judicial current events very closely, but IMO the threshold shouldn't be "can it be proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt that there is a conflict of interest?" but "could a reasonable person believe there may be a conflict of interest?"

So, based only on the information you provided MT, it sounds like a "yes".


I also think the individual mandate without a public option is folly.
mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 15:04:21
Yes to both?
mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 15:04:31
The correct answer is no to both, btw.
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Nov 16 15:05:52
"
The day the Supreme Court gathered behind closed doors to consider the politically divisive question of whether it would hear a challenge to President Obama’s healthcare law, two of its justices, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, were feted at a dinner sponsored by the law firm that will argue the case before the high court.
"

Any supreme court justice voluntarily exposing himself to fucking lobbyists ought to recuse himself. FFS.
mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 15:08:14
Why?
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Nov 16 15:11:13
The decision will be viewed by many in the public as a result of the normal political process, wherein laws are purchased. Or in this case, wherein legal precedent is purchased.
Clitoral Hood
The Bloody Scourge
Wed Nov 16 15:15:12
mt likes the prospect of corruption.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Wed Nov 16 15:37:08
"The day the Supreme Court gathered behind closed doors to consider the politically divisive question of whether it would hear a challenge to President Obama’s healthcare law, two of its justices, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, were feted at a dinner sponsored by the law firm that will argue the case before the high court. "

wow. Notice how the hack has nothing to say about that. What a hack
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Wed Nov 16 15:38:17
In fact, and even worse, he asks why that should be questioned...jesus wept, these US creationist cons are simply unbelievable
mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 16:20:28
"The decision will be viewed by many in the public as a result of the normal political process, wherein laws are purchased. Or in this case, wherein legal precedent is purchased. "

So perception is the reason for a justice to recuse themselves from a ruling?
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Nov 16 16:23:54
"So perception is the reason for a justice to recuse themselves from a ruling? "

Wiki'd to ensure what was in my head matched up with what appears to be the case. The answer to your question appears to be "yes".

"
Section 455, captioned "Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge," provides that a federal judge "shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned."
"

Compare with what I pulled out of my brain earlier: "could a reasonable person believe there may be a conflict of interest?"


It looks like what was in my brain matches at least wikipedia's version of the actual rule quite well.
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Nov 16 16:24:40
Chalk that one up to ~4 years of 8-hour night shifts spent on wikipedia.
mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 16:25:47
Why, precisely, would a reasonable person assume a supreme court judge would base a ruling around a dinner conversation?
Rugian
Member
Wed Nov 16 16:26:27
earthpig
GTFO HOer Wed Nov 16 16:24:40
Chalk that one up to ~4 years of 8-hour night shifts spent on wikipedia.

Way to earn that paycheck.
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Nov 16 16:30:51
Who said anything about "basing a ruling"?

Stop thinking in black and white.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Wed Nov 16 16:46:52
jesus what a piece of shit you and your colleagues are, mexitard. If this was the other way around, you'd be screaming blue murder and you know it.
mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 16:55:08
@EP - You want Thomas and Scalia to recuse themselves from the obamacare case, correct? All because you believe there's some sort of perception that because they had dinner with an anti-obamacare lobbying group their judgement is in question.

You have any idea how absurd that is? Or how blatantly bias it is?

For example, I do not believe any justice should recuse themselves on this ruling because it is unjust to believe any of the justices will not be able to put aside their personal beliefs/beliefs of their friends when deciding a case.
Clitoral Hood
The Bloody Scourge
Wed Nov 16 17:07:11
mt doesn't think people ever accept bribes.
mexicantornado
Member
Wed Nov 16 17:08:07
Where did I say that?
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Wed Nov 16 17:08:28
oh he would if they had had dinner with the other side, believe me.

WilliamtheBastard
Member
Wed Nov 16 17:09:28
Sometimes I wish UP had never made me aware of how stupid and fake people there are out there. Its seriously depressing.
Clitoral Hood
The Bloody Scourge
Wed Nov 16 17:14:01
it wasn't a quote, it was a logical assumption based on the fact that you are ok with judges meeting with influential people with a specific slant concerning a subject that those judges are about to rule on.

it is just asking for corruption.
Aeros
Member
Wed Nov 16 18:23:09
I would like to think Supreme Court justices should be above this sort of nonsense.
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:35:52
"oh he would if they had had dinner with the other side, believe me. "

Why would anyone believe you? You are a serial liar who has made a half dozen new handles after all previous ones have been discredited.

The fact that I do not think any justice should recuse himself or herself fairly illustrates that I wouldn't be jumping up and down for Sotomayor to step down if she had dinner with some O-care lobbyist.

The fact that liberals think a justice's opinion can be bought through a three course meal is laughable.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:38:09
"You are a serial liar "

You find one single lie from me at UP, verified by an independent judge, and Ill leave for ever. I find one lie by you and you leave for ever. Deal, you slime?

mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:41:50
You won't leave forever, you will make a new handle. You are practically JB in that regard.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:42:45
So you dont dare accept the challenge, you lying, unintelligent slime. what a shock, dumbcunt lol...
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:44:37
I already pointed out your lie, you claimed I would call for a liberal judge to recuse themselves if they met with an O-care lobbyist. I said that was untrue, pointed to my position that no justice should recuse themselves.

So, I have proven you are a liar. Will you leave now? Or at least make a new handle?
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:46:44
You havent proven thats a lie, stupid slime, youre just claiming something that everyone knows youre lying about. This is the point of an independent judge, unintelligent slime. I, however, have your lie ready and waiting for you to dare to accept the challenge...when you accept, I'll post it, slime puddle.
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:48:32
^ about a month from becoming JB jr
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:50:16
what a shocker that you dont dare to accept, unintelligent slime puddle, what a shocker lol
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:53:21
its also much mirthful that slime puddle shares about 95% of JBs beliefs and I share 0%...yes, this is amusing
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:55:36
Alas fagfish, you are mistaking personal actions for political ideology. When I say you are becoming the new JB I say this because you are routinely rejected by everyone (even people who would normally agree with you) and have already admitted to making dozens/hundreds of fake accounts to support your arguments.

WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 11:59:21
"because you are routinely rejected by everyone "

another lie from the guy famous for being rejected by the entire board, who shares nearly all JB's beliefs but thinks people who share not a single one is much closer to JB...this is too funny lmao

Enough waffling, put your money where your mouth is, slime puddle of unintelligence, or be exposed for not daring to because you know you'll lose
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:00:01
Are you really this delusional?
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:00:43
^ this is too much lmfao!

Enough waffling, put your money where your mouth is, slime puddle of unintelligence, or be exposed for not daring to because you know you'll lose
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:02:39
I already pointed out your lie in this thread buddy. and I am far too lazy to look at the multitude of threads you have been spamming in but I imagine I can find one where you claim you don't make multis or one where you make up fake quotes, etc.

WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:02:51
sudden silence rofl...
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:02:55
Also, why aren't you using the oddfish handle?
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:03:26
If you avoid the challenge once more, you lose on default, slime puddle of unintelligence

Enough waffling, put your money where your mouth is, slime puddle of unintelligence, or be exposed for not daring to because you know you'll lose
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:04:40
Okay, you must be stupid. I ~already~ pointed out your lie.
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:04:59
So will you go away or make a new handle?
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:06:54
Actually, I don't like that lie. Let's play this game instead.

Answer the question fagfish, "Do you make multis to agree with your arguments?"

Remember, if you lie you must be gone from these boards.
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:08:18
Mental break down much?
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:10:49
"So, I have proven you are a liar."

I dont even have to leave this thread to win lol...

you have now lost on default, because you didnt dare to accept the challenge. So what we have is you losing the challenge of who's a liar after calling me a liar, you being routinely rejected for years by the board after claiming I was, you sharing 95% of JB's views after claiming I, who share 0% of his views, was almost JB, and finally, you, utterly delusional as proven here, aksing if I was delusional...amazing stuff! Only the rejected collective of you, JB, grryd and pedorod could selfown themselves so historically, unintelligent slime puddle rofl
Hot Rod
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:12:02

I have no problem giving him a permaBAN.

mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:13:51
Let's see.... Fagfish makes this big "challenge".

I respond and point out one easy lie and ask him an embarassing question. Suddenly the thread gets spammed, fagfish doesn't respond at all during the spamfest despite responding once every few seconds prior. In his response fagfish claims I never accepted his challenge despite already showing his lies.

Yep, he is the new JB
Clitoral Hood
The Bloody Scourge
Fri Nov 18 12:21:02
opinions are not lies, baby cakes. his opinion that you would have a specific reaction to something can not be considered a lie. your adherence to such a blatant misrepresentation COULD be considered a lie, but I know most of us would just assume you're too stupid to realize the difference.
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:23:00
"oh he would if they had had dinner with the other side, believe me"

He states this as a fact, does he not?
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:23:23
You should really leave for ever anyway puddle of mexitardation after this savage destruction of yourself. but, then, youve been told that many times before...
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:25:31
And actually Hood you've been the one perpetually lying throughout this thread.
Clitoral Hood
The Bloody Scourge
Fri Nov 18 12:39:22
if you call the technique of exaggeration to ridiculous outcomes to point out the ridiculousness of a stance a lie, then yes. I have been lying. intelligent people can tell the difference though, so I'm not bothered.

"He states this as a fact, does he not?"

no. he is very sure of himself no doubt. but it is still just an opinion. I could list countless reasons why baldur's gate 2 is the greatest game ever made and make it sound incredibly factual. but it is still just an opinion.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:47:11
So, I guess mexitardations claim that he proved that was a lie is, hilariously enough, a lie...as well as being famous for being rejected, for having the same opinions as JB and for being delusional...I think this is why I enjoy UP, you just cant find these people outside of comedy channel lol
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:54:44
I like UP because some level of conversation and debate can be had without any PC bullshit to limit where the debate goes. Unfortunately some people with obvious mental issues also come here and tend to go crazy from time to time.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:56:15
true. I would ask you to stop that, but I know you cant help it. The good thing is, it always ends with you running away and lurking for a month until you think everyones forgotten.
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:57:50
Fagfish - Do you make multis to agree with your arguments? Do you make up quotes?

WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 12:59:23
It will cost me $1000 to replace my bulbs with cfl's because they cost $50 each - mexisphincter

lol
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:02:36
"Fagfish - Do you make multis to agree with your arguments? Do you make up quotes? "

Why are you afraid to answer these questions?
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:05:29
Why are you afraid of acceoting my challenge? When you do Ill answer. Meantime, maximumrectum, do you gurgle when JB fills you up or do you swallow straight away?
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:06:22
Fagfish - Do you make multis to agree with your arguments? Do you make up quotes?
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:07:45
do you gurgle when JB fills you up or do you swallow straight away?
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:10:21
Difference between you and I: I am asking valid questions which actually demolish your credibility as a poster while you are just asking a spam question intent on shielding yourself from the painful reality that you are one of the more mistrusted posters on this forum.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:12:02
Im taking your spam to your thread, since thats much fairer than having you spam Ep's.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:18:09
oh wait - this is your thread too. Lol

"Difference between you and I: I am asking valid questions which actually demolish your credibility as a poster while you are just asking a spam question intent on shielding yourself from the painful reality that you are one of the more mistrusted posters on this forum."

No, difference between you and I: I am challenging you to a valid challenge which will confirm your already utterly destroyed credibility as one of the most laughed at and rejected retards and also that you dont dare to be contest being a liar. I already explained that Im happy to answer once you accept the challenge. Ill make it much easier for you, since you will never dare to accept the challenge to disprove you are a liar; answer this question:

maximumrectum, do you gurgle when JB fills you up or do you swallow straight away?
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:19:05
Where am I spamming any thread? You are the only spammer here you delusional prat.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:20:45
so you dont dare accept the challenge and you dont dare answer the question. Man, youre gonna have to lurk for more than your usual month of shame this time, lol
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:29:53
yupp, there we have it. lol
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 13:50:45
Wow, what a disappointment, he really surrendered into lurk mode quick this time...I think I'll just bury mexisphincter's rotting carcass before supper by showing just who does and doesnt dare to accept challenges lol

mexisphincter: "but I imagine I can find one where you claim you don't make multis"

"of course I and at least 2 others spammed hotrod." - WilliamtheBastard

http://www...hread=49538&time=1321644989705

*first shovel of dirt on spicsphincter's grave*
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Fri Nov 18 15:52:07
Whoa, summary of thread to this point?
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Fri Nov 18 16:38:54
tl;dr: spicsphincter burst in with eyes red from crying, threw a tantrum, got destroyed, fled as usual, will hide for the next month as usual, the end.
mexicantornado
Member
Fri Nov 18 22:48:32
fagfish, just because i stop responding to your moronic taunts =/= i am lurking. It means I am no longer on the forum.
WilliamtheBastard
Member
Sat Nov 19 01:58:28
^ deluded, rejected, lying JB clone who like pedorod accuses others of exactly what he is and doesnt dare defend his non existent honor when called out. Another shovel of shit over your lying carcass, I think.
jergul
Member
Sat Nov 19 02:19:59
4 minute 10 second response time aint bad for a guy no longer in the forum.
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