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Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 08:26:01 2011
So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to

Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism.

And power corrupts.

communism ignores each one of these completely or almost entirely. Yet aeros, mavl, mountme, etc still support it. And million of other retards. Wow.

Hellfire
rank Wed Nov 16 08:30:23 2011
"Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism. "

Source?

Social pressures aren't the only thing that causes evolution, environmental stresses also trigger natural selection.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 08:31:15 2011
sam, youre just so bad at critical thinking

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 08:32:42 2011
if money pretty much always means increased power, and power corrupts...hmmm.

Samantha Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 08:39:21 2011
but thats the not the same thats a communist belief. I do science and stuff, I do clouds I know what im saying because clouds are science, so im a scientist and not like the uneducated peons I hate.

Next up, how to tell the difference between a cirrus cloud and a cumulus cloud. That sounded so scientific, im so cool.

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 08:39:35 2011
"Social pressures aren't the only thing that causes evolution, environmental stresses"

wow hellfire. You don't know what darwinism even means. Gee, he's only like the 4th most important scientist ever. hellfire = fail.

and then oddfish the fucking retard wants to take the power that is distributed over many companies and put it all in the hands of one goverment.

what a fucking retard.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 08:43:50 2011
see how sam can never argue what someone says, but always has to pretend they said something else, just like pedorod? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Hellfire
rank Wed Nov 16 08:49:59 2011
"You don't know what darwinism even means."

You're using it pretty loosely and in a pretty unscientific manner. Social darwinism is not the only means of evolution you fucking idiot.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 08:54:13 2011
conservatives, picking and choosing which parts of jungle law they like: "greed is natural!"

Guess what: so is theft, murder, rape and pretty much any crime you can think of.

saiko
rank Wed Nov 16 08:56:57 2011
I reject as not in evidence your notion that most humans will not work unless they have to.

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 09:00:35 2011
survival of the fittest is pretty much the only mechanism of evolution. And survival of the fittest is pretty much the same as darwinism.

saiko, you are smarter than that. most humans will not work, especially not the required lower class jobs that suck.

Sure, some of us would take science "jobs" or porn jobs just to avoid boredom, but most required work would not be done and you know it.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 09:07:20 2011
one of the many, many extremely obvious evidences against sams idiotic view of the world through a straw is that inheritance of money and power, the cornerstone of royalty and the inbred elite for centuries completely throws natural evolution out the window. one doesnt even have to argue further than that, sams pov is dead already.

saiko
rank Wed Nov 16 09:11:58 2011
"saiko, you are smarter than that. most humans will not work, especially not the required lower class jobs that suck."

So let's all try to think of some people who don't need to work to get by. What is it they do?

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 09:30:01 2011
oddfish is so fucking retarded he thinks that feudalism is capitalism.

The vast majority of people that don't work in the modern era are on the nanny state welfare teet.

you know this is true saiko.

Hellfire
rank Wed Nov 16 09:30:54 2011
"survival of the fittest is pretty much the only mechanism of evolution."

Fittest is a pretty fluid concept as it depends on what stresses are being placed on a species. What may be advantageous at one point in time isn't necessarily optimal at another.

Next SA is going to be arguing for Eugenics.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 09:37:39 2011
the funny thing is, and this fits exactly in with sams bizzaro opposite world, is that HE is so fucking retarded he thinks that feudalism is capitalism.

"Next SA is going to be arguing for Eugenics. "

Hes been arguing this for years. He just avoids that particular epithet because its not PC.

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 09:38:35 2011
"Fittest is a pretty fluid concept as it depends on what stresses are being placed on a species. What may be advantageous at one point in time isn't necessarily optimal at another. "

true, which makes flexibility the most prized advantage. Intelligence=flexibility. Omnivores=flexibility. No surprise then that the planets dominant species is an intelligent omnivore.

and yes, Eugenics to some degree would be a good idea. You can't force law abiding citizens to now have babies, but you can certainly discourage overbreeding amongst the lower classes(which the world is stupidly not doing).

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 09:39:04 2011
and its feodalism. That'll teach me for copying and pasting someone who only has an education in a mechanical process.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 09:39:50 2011
"and yes, Eugenics to some degree would be a good idea. "

and yet, he thinks he's nothing like a nazi...rofl

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 09:41:31 2011
oddfish is so fucking retarded he thinks all eugenics == nazis.

oddfish I am done with you. You are simply too stupid to be worthy of talking to me.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 09:42:52 2011
^more bizzaro opposite world from the inferior nazi, roughly 15IQ points below me.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 09:45:56 2011
had sam been born in germany, 1935, he would have without any doubt been a Nazi, and though the army would still probably refuse him, the SS would have welcomed him.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 09:46:06 2011
*1925

Nekran
rank Wed Nov 16 10:23:11 2011
How much offspring have you got, Sammy? You do realize that if the answer is 0, this means you are as evolutionary unfit as can be?

Nekran
rank Wed Nov 16 10:25:27 2011
Not to mention that the guy who succeeds in spending very few energy and is still able to produce loads of offspring is pretty much an evolutionary hero.

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 10:26:53 2011
I am not yet to the child-rearing point of life. Although it is coming up soon. The mountain hurricane airplane adventure phase is tapering off a bit. After I get my masters I will be settling down.

jesus I just scared the shit out of myself. my life is about to end. Ok maybe i can put it off for a few more years...

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 10:27:24 2011
"Not to mention that the guy who succeeds in spending very few energy and is still able to produce loads of offspring is pretty much an evolutionary hero. "

not from the point of view of civilized society.

Nekran
rank Wed Nov 16 10:31:15 2011
But from the point of view of darwinism, it is. Which is it you think is more important, darwinism or civilized society?

Because you were arguing the former over the latter before.

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 10:44:11 2011
which is why we add the word social in front of it. survival of the fittest within the capitalist world.

Nekran
rank Wed Nov 16 10:45:39 2011
Which is what these people you so despise are so amazingly succesful at?

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 10:51:46 2011
no. handouts of that type are not capitalist. Thats the whole the point!

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 10:52:02 2011
anyway, bed.

Nekran
rank Wed Nov 16 10:54:17 2011
"So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to"

Also an obviously flawed assumption btw. The vast majority of people will work if there's enough benefit to it. Mere survival doesn't satisfy most people.

Nekran
rank Wed Nov 16 10:55:35 2011
"no. handouts of that type are not capitalist. Thats the whole the point!"

So you think (succesful) thieves are the better people?

ehcks
rank Wed Nov 16 19:08:37 2011
"So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to"

Wrong. A person will work if they feel the value gained from working is greater than the value lost if they were not working. It would be an incredibly sad world if the only value in work was the income. No, the right idea is to find a job you enjoy.

"Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism."

"Social Darwinism" has nothing to do with evolution at any level. It is also simply wrong.

"And power corrupts."

Power tends to corrupt. And money is power, so money tends to corrupt. Getting rid of money would get rid of one tendency towards corruption.

In a communism, no one has power over anyone else anyway, so I'm not sure where you're going with that.

ehcks
rank Wed Nov 16 19:10:48 2011
"No, the right idea is to find a job you enjoy."

Or, more precisely, find something you enjoy, then find a way to get paid to do it.

saiko
rank Wed Nov 16 20:00:21 2011
"The vast majority of people that don't work in the modern era are on the nanny state welfare teet.

you know this is true saiko."

I know this to be true for a limited period per person, unless said person is incapable of work. The people who don't need to work are in that position because, through merit, inheritance, or most often luck, they are independently wealthy. And yet we very often see these people work.

Similarly in countries where welfare is a lot more developed than in the US, and people can choose not to work for years on end, we observe that this option is only used for sensible reasons, such as child rearing, taking care of family or oneself, or to better oneself. And after a while people still get jobs. Whether they choose to do so because of a primal need to contribute or because they can enjoy a higher lifestyle if they do is psychologically interesting but irrelevant to your assertion that they wouldn't do it at all.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 20:01:50 2011
poor sam the scientist, has no capacity for scientific thinking...rather like someone tone deaf who's totally convinced he's a great singer.

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 20:07:46 2011
"can choose not to work for years on end, we observe that this option is only used for sensible reasons"

please take a trip to detroit and new orleans and then say that again.

Rugian
rank Wed Nov 16 20:23:38 2011
"please take a trip to detroit and new orleans and then say that again."

+1

In the case of Detroit especially, it used to be one of the richest cities in all of America. Now look at it.

Mavl
rank Wed Nov 16 20:37:42 2011
"So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to

Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism.

And power corrupts.

communism ignores each one of these completely or almost entirely. Yet aeros, mavl, mountme, etc still support it. And million of other retards. Wow. "

1. How willing one is to work depends solely on one's education and what information he receives from childhood to adulthood.

2. You are applying your own judgement to concepts you know nothing about.

3. This thread is stupid.

Sam Adams
rank Wed Nov 16 20:39:15 2011
^this is your brain on communism.

kill yourself.

Mavl
rank Wed Nov 16 20:40:19 2011
I take it you are too dumb to reply.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Wed Nov 16 20:53:10 2011
so, lets have a look at sam the scientist's list of unquestionable truths.

"So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to"

Incorrect bigotry.

"Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism."

Laughably incorrect bigotry

"And power corrupts."

e.g. wealth, which equals power, sams holy grail.

Wow, this OP should be added to the hotrod list of retardation

WilliamtheBastard
rank Thu Nov 17 10:53:45 2011
ttt

Sam Adams
rank Thu Nov 17 11:01:20 2011
oddfish why do you not like the subject of human evolution? Is it because you are fat and stupid and cannot procreate? You realize that your genes will rapidly be naturally selected against?

WilliamtheBastard
rank Thu Nov 17 11:04:28 2011
^ 160 IQ's genes are trying to commit suicide. Dont let them do it, Super Scientist! Take a sociology class and whip them into shape!

jergul
rank Thu Nov 17 15:24:45 2011
Evolution does not matter from your perspective sammy.

Mankind as a biological species will be extinct within 500 years by your reckoning.

Which is probably a given if we all start to reckon like you.

Sam Adams
rank Thu Nov 17 20:27:21 2011
that might be true jergul. Although it is certainly possible that computer codes still cannot be as adaptable or as flexible as humans, even in 500 years.

WilliamtheBastard
rank Fri Nov 18 07:55:09 2011
ttt

saiko
rank Fri Nov 18 09:43:15 2011
"please take a trip to detroit and new orleans and then say that again"

Yeah, people in Detroit and New Orleans just hang out or watch tv, and dabble in the arts. No you moron, they're working to survive. *They* don't have a choice.

Sam Adams
rank Fri Nov 18 09:44:03 2011
"they're working to survive."

lmfao!

working!

saiko fail.

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Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 08:26:01 2011 So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism. And power corrupts. communism ignores each one of these completely or almost entirely. Yet aeros, mavl, mountme, etc still support it. And million of other retards. Wow.
Hellfire rank	Wed Nov 16 08:30:23 2011 "Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism. " Source? Social pressures aren't the only thing that causes evolution, environmental stresses also trigger natural selection.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 08:31:15 2011 sam, youre just so bad at critical thinking
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 08:32:42 2011 if money pretty much always means increased power, and power corrupts...hmmm.
Samantha Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 08:39:21 2011 but thats the not the same thats a communist belief. I do science and stuff, I do clouds I know what im saying because clouds are science, so im a scientist and not like the uneducated peons I hate. Next up, how to tell the difference between a cirrus cloud and a cumulus cloud. That sounded so scientific, im so cool.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 08:39:35 2011 "Social pressures aren't the only thing that causes evolution, environmental stresses" wow hellfire. You don't know what darwinism even means. Gee, he's only like the 4th most important scientist ever. hellfire = fail. and then oddfish the fucking retard wants to take the power that is distributed over many companies and put it all in the hands of one goverment. what a fucking retard.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 08:43:50 2011 see how sam can never argue what someone says, but always has to pretend they said something else, just like pedorod? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Hellfire rank	Wed Nov 16 08:49:59 2011 "You don't know what darwinism even means." You're using it pretty loosely and in a pretty unscientific manner. Social darwinism is not the only means of evolution you fucking idiot.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 08:54:13 2011 conservatives, picking and choosing which parts of jungle law they like: "greed is natural!" Guess what: so is theft, murder, rape and pretty much any crime you can think of.
saiko rank	Wed Nov 16 08:56:57 2011 I reject as not in evidence your notion that most humans will not work unless they have to.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 09:00:35 2011 survival of the fittest is pretty much the only mechanism of evolution. And survival of the fittest is pretty much the same as darwinism. saiko, you are smarter than that. most humans will not work, especially not the required lower class jobs that suck. Sure, some of us would take science "jobs" or porn jobs just to avoid boredom, but most required work would not be done and you know it.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 09:07:20 2011 one of the many, many extremely obvious evidences against sams idiotic view of the world through a straw is that inheritance of money and power, the cornerstone of royalty and the inbred elite for centuries completely throws natural evolution out the window. one doesnt even have to argue further than that, sams pov is dead already.
saiko rank	Wed Nov 16 09:11:58 2011 "saiko, you are smarter than that. most humans will not work, especially not the required lower class jobs that suck." So let's all try to think of some people who don't need to work to get by. What is it they do?
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 09:30:01 2011 oddfish is so fucking retarded he thinks that feudalism is capitalism. The vast majority of people that don't work in the modern era are on the nanny state welfare teet. you know this is true saiko.
Hellfire rank	Wed Nov 16 09:30:54 2011 "survival of the fittest is pretty much the only mechanism of evolution." Fittest is a pretty fluid concept as it depends on what stresses are being placed on a species. What may be advantageous at one point in time isn't necessarily optimal at another. Next SA is going to be arguing for Eugenics.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 09:37:39 2011 the funny thing is, and this fits exactly in with sams bizzaro opposite world, is that HE is so fucking retarded he thinks that feudalism is capitalism. "Next SA is going to be arguing for Eugenics. " Hes been arguing this for years. He just avoids that particular epithet because its not PC.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 09:38:35 2011 "Fittest is a pretty fluid concept as it depends on what stresses are being placed on a species. What may be advantageous at one point in time isn't necessarily optimal at another. " true, which makes flexibility the most prized advantage. Intelligence=flexibility. Omnivores=flexibility. No surprise then that the planets dominant species is an intelligent omnivore. and yes, Eugenics to some degree would be a good idea. You can't force law abiding citizens to now have babies, but you can certainly discourage overbreeding amongst the lower classes(which the world is stupidly not doing).
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 09:39:04 2011 and its feodalism. That'll teach me for copying and pasting someone who only has an education in a mechanical process.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 09:39:50 2011 "and yes, Eugenics to some degree would be a good idea. " and yet, he thinks he's nothing like a nazi...rofl
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 09:41:31 2011 oddfish is so fucking retarded he thinks all eugenics == nazis. oddfish I am done with you. You are simply too stupid to be worthy of talking to me.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 09:42:52 2011 ^more bizzaro opposite world from the inferior nazi, roughly 15IQ points below me.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 09:45:56 2011 had sam been born in germany, 1935, he would have without any doubt been a Nazi, and though the army would still probably refuse him, the SS would have welcomed him.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 09:46:06 2011 *1925
Nekran rank	Wed Nov 16 10:23:11 2011 How much offspring have you got, Sammy? You do realize that if the answer is 0, this means you are as evolutionary unfit as can be?
Nekran rank	Wed Nov 16 10:25:27 2011 Not to mention that the guy who succeeds in spending very few energy and is still able to produce loads of offspring is pretty much an evolutionary hero.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 10:26:53 2011 I am not yet to the child-rearing point of life. Although it is coming up soon. The mountain hurricane airplane adventure phase is tapering off a bit. After I get my masters I will be settling down. jesus I just scared the shit out of myself. my life is about to end. Ok maybe i can put it off for a few more years...
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 10:27:24 2011 "Not to mention that the guy who succeeds in spending very few energy and is still able to produce loads of offspring is pretty much an evolutionary hero. " not from the point of view of civilized society.
Nekran rank	Wed Nov 16 10:31:15 2011 But from the point of view of darwinism, it is. Which is it you think is more important, darwinism or civilized society? Because you were arguing the former over the latter before.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 10:44:11 2011 which is why we add the word social in front of it. survival of the fittest within the capitalist world.
Nekran rank	Wed Nov 16 10:45:39 2011 Which is what these people you so despise are so amazingly succesful at?
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 10:51:46 2011 no. handouts of that type are not capitalist. Thats the whole the point!
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 10:52:02 2011 anyway, bed.
Nekran rank	Wed Nov 16 10:54:17 2011 "So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to" Also an obviously flawed assumption btw. The vast majority of people will work if there's enough benefit to it. Mere survival doesn't satisfy most people.
Nekran rank	Wed Nov 16 10:55:35 2011 "no. handouts of that type are not capitalist. Thats the whole the point!" So you think (succesful) thieves are the better people?
ehcks rank	Wed Nov 16 19:08:37 2011 "So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to" Wrong. A person will work if they feel the value gained from working is greater than the value lost if they were not working. It would be an incredibly sad world if the only value in work was the income. No, the right idea is to find a job you enjoy. "Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism." "Social Darwinism" has nothing to do with evolution at any level. It is also simply wrong. "And power corrupts." Power tends to corrupt. And money is power, so money tends to corrupt. Getting rid of money would get rid of one tendency towards corruption. In a communism, no one has power over anyone else anyway, so I'm not sure where you're going with that.
ehcks rank	Wed Nov 16 19:10:48 2011 "No, the right idea is to find a job you enjoy." Or, more precisely, find something you enjoy, then find a way to get paid to do it.
saiko rank	Wed Nov 16 20:00:21 2011 "The vast majority of people that don't work in the modern era are on the nanny state welfare teet. you know this is true saiko." I know this to be true for a limited period per person, unless said person is incapable of work. The people who don't need to work are in that position because, through merit, inheritance, or most often luck, they are independently wealthy. And yet we very often see these people work. Similarly in countries where welfare is a lot more developed than in the US, and people can choose not to work for years on end, we observe that this option is only used for sensible reasons, such as child rearing, taking care of family or oneself, or to better oneself. And after a while people still get jobs. Whether they choose to do so because of a primal need to contribute or because they can enjoy a higher lifestyle if they do is psychologically interesting but irrelevant to your assertion that they wouldn't do it at all.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 20:01:50 2011 poor sam the scientist, has no capacity for scientific thinking...rather like someone tone deaf who's totally convinced he's a great singer.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 20:07:46 2011 "can choose not to work for years on end, we observe that this option is only used for sensible reasons" please take a trip to detroit and new orleans and then say that again.
Rugian rank	Wed Nov 16 20:23:38 2011 "please take a trip to detroit and new orleans and then say that again." +1 In the case of Detroit especially, it used to be one of the richest cities in all of America. Now look at it.
Mavl rank	Wed Nov 16 20:37:42 2011 "So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism. And power corrupts. communism ignores each one of these completely or almost entirely. Yet aeros, mavl, mountme, etc still support it. And million of other retards. Wow. " 1. How willing one is to work depends solely on one's education and what information he receives from childhood to adulthood. 2. You are applying your own judgement to concepts you know nothing about. 3. This thread is stupid.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Nov 16 20:39:15 2011 ^this is your brain on communism. kill yourself.
Mavl rank	Wed Nov 16 20:40:19 2011 I take it you are too dumb to reply.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Wed Nov 16 20:53:10 2011 so, lets have a look at sam the scientist's list of unquestionable truths. "So we have determined that most humans will not work unless they have to" Incorrect bigotry. "Also evolution ceases without some sort of social darwinism." Laughably incorrect bigotry "And power corrupts." e.g. wealth, which equals power, sams holy grail. Wow, this OP should be added to the hotrod list of retardation
WilliamtheBastard rank	Thu Nov 17 10:53:45 2011 ttt
Sam Adams rank	Thu Nov 17 11:01:20 2011 oddfish why do you not like the subject of human evolution? Is it because you are fat and stupid and cannot procreate? You realize that your genes will rapidly be naturally selected against?
WilliamtheBastard rank	Thu Nov 17 11:04:28 2011 ^ 160 IQ's genes are trying to commit suicide. Dont let them do it, Super Scientist! Take a sociology class and whip them into shape!
jergul rank	Thu Nov 17 15:24:45 2011 Evolution does not matter from your perspective sammy. Mankind as a biological species will be extinct within 500 years by your reckoning. Which is probably a given if we all start to reckon like you.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Nov 17 20:27:21 2011 that might be true jergul. Although it is certainly possible that computer codes still cannot be as adaptable or as flexible as humans, even in 500 years.
WilliamtheBastard rank	Fri Nov 18 07:55:09 2011 ttt
saiko rank	Fri Nov 18 09:43:15 2011 "please take a trip to detroit and new orleans and then say that again" Yeah, people in Detroit and New Orleans just hang out or watch tv, and dabble in the arts. No you moron, they're working to survive. They don't have a choice.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Nov 18 09:44:03 2011 "they're working to survive." lmfao! working! saiko fail.
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