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Hot Rod
Member Tue Oct 18 06:08:49

Great news: OWS now endorsed by both Communist and Nazi Parties

posted at 8:45 am on October 17, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Just yesterday, Barack Obama asserted that Martin Luther King, Jr would have supported the Occupy Movement. If so, he would have found himself in the midst of some strange bedfellows:

In a move that may redefine the term “strange bedfellows,” the American Nazi Party issued an official endorsement of the Occupy Wall Street protest movement on Sunday afternoon. The announcement put the organization, a self-described “National Socialist” political party, in company with the Socialist Party USA, which explained its own support for the left-wing protesters in a nationwide conference call last Tuesday night, crediting organized labor with the protests’ strength and sophistication to date.

The American Nazi Party is the most politically sophisticated U.S. remnant — but by no means the only one — of white supremacist Adolph Hitler’s murderous 20th century movement. The party calls Hitler’s Mein Kampf “an ideological blueprint for healthy Aryan survival.”

In its statement on Sunday, the Westland, Mich.-based Nazi party wrote that the Occupy Wall Street protests are “TAYLOR [sic] MADE for National Socialists, as well as WN [White Nationalists] who are serious about DOING SOMETHING.”

“I urgently URGE all of you,” the statement’s unnamed author added, “to TAKE PART and JOIN IN when these protests hit your neck of the woods. Produce some flyers EXPLAINING the ‘JEW BANKER’ influence — DON’T wear anything marking you as an ‘evil racist’ — and GET OUT THERE and SPREAD the WORD!”

Hey, they’re way ahead of you Nazis on that score. Just check out the pics from Zombie and Ringo from Occupy LA to see just why the Nazis might be cheering these protests from the sidelines — or maybe even closer to the action. We posted it before, but this video from Reason also shows why the Nazis think they can find fertile recruiting ground at Occupy rallies:

Interviewer: “Name and affiliation?”

Occupy Los Angeles protester: “Patricia McAllister, I’m here representing myself but I do work for the Los Angeles Unified School District. I think that the Zionist Jews who are running these big banks and our Federal Reserve — which is not run by the federal government — they need to be run out of this country.”

Now the White House has apparently decided to align itself with Communists and Nazis, at least for the political benefit:

President Obama and his team have decided to turn public anger at Wall Street into a central tenet of their reelection strategy.

The move comes as the Occupy Wall Street protests gain momentum across the country and as polls show deep public distrust of the nation’s major financial institutions.

And it sets up what strategists see as a potent line of attack against Republican front-runner Mitt Romney, a former investment executive whom Obama aides plan to portray as a wealthy Wall Street sympathizer.

Perhaps Obama should start with an explanation of how MLK Jr would have found himself on the same side as Nazis in any public issue, especially after yesterday’s explicit suck-up to the movement during the dedication ceremony for King’s monument. I’d love to hear him connect King’s exhortation to judge men by the content of their character with the rampant anti-Semitism displayed at the Occupy rallies to such an extent that it has Nazis cheering.

http://hot...th-communist-and-nazi-parties/

Hot Rod
Member Tue Oct 18 06:11:29

Just think, three key endorsements of their movement.

Oddfish
Member Tue Oct 18 06:42:06
stfu you stupid fucking troll cunt

Oddfish
Member Tue Oct 18 06:44:54

hey guess what!
KKK, AQ, OBL, Hamas, The nazis, they all hate obama just like you! it must be great news for you to get such key endorsements!

Aeros
Member Tue Oct 18 06:47:02
KKK is also solidly Republican.

Oddfish
Member Tue Oct 18 06:54:17
Lets have a look at david dukes site and see who he sounds the most like. Heres the headlines for today:

Montana Tea Party at Least Trying
Naturally the liberal media goes into fits of panic at the thought of White people actually getting the sort of government that a majority would like. According to the mainstream media, every law we get needs to be approved by liberals first, regardless of how small a minority liberals may become.
_______________________

Liberals oppose policies that work and are committed to policies that fail.
_______________________

Liberals decide: If you can’t change things, cheat.
________________________

Extremely arrogant and obnoxious liberal Congressman sunk by sex scandal.
________________________

Liberals continue to push immorality on society.
________________________

Big Setback for the Left in Wisconsin
________________________

Lying Liberals May Lose a Propaganda Outlet
Liberals are liars and they insist that everyone else believe their lies or face social ostracism. If anyone needs proof that liberals are liars, keep reading.

Etcetera. Wow, david duke sounds almost like a poster at UP! You know, whatshisname...uhmm...

roland
Member Tue Oct 18 06:55:43
Hamas Rod didnt get this nickname from nothing, lol.

Oddfish
Member Tue Oct 18 06:57:48
Awwww, look at that. david duke defending the tea party. What a great endorsement for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDeNBsD8iRc

Hot Rod
Member Tue Oct 18 07:02:22

As usual you people are diving into the shallow end of the pool.

The subject of this thread is the three key endorsements for QWS.

Obama, The Nazis, and The Communists.

Please stay on topic or go drown yourself.

Hot Rod
Member Tue Oct 18 07:04:01

If you are incapable of staying on topic please go start your own thread.

roland
Member Tue Oct 18 07:04:47
What? You dont think Hamas, AQ, KKK etc endorse your hatred of Obama?

Oddfish
Member Tue Oct 18 07:05:36
"That doesnt mean he doesnt like liberals, it just means they disagree on one or two points, apart from that they actually really like each other, in fact I know a guy in the next town who is a liberal KKK member who voted for obama" -kargen

Oddfish
Member Tue Oct 18 07:06:21
If you are incapable of debating on topic please leave this thread, you fucking cunt.

miltonfriedman
Member Tue Oct 18 10:58:25

saiko
Member Tue Oct 18 11:10:42
"The subject of this thread is the three key endorsements for QWS."

How are they 'key'?

earthpig
GTFO HOer Tue Oct 18 11:47:33
It's a false flag endorsement, obviously.

Didn't left-funded "Klansmen" endorse McCain to ensure the Obama victory? Karma's a bitch.

sstrickland
New Member Tue Oct 18 11:49:47
^ this

kargen
Member Tue Oct 18 12:58:46
Oddfish, what is your fasination with me? Are you just so awed by my presense that you have to try and drag me into every thread?

Get a fucking life.

Oh and a little tidbit of knowledge for your silly ignorant self.

"" is for putting around a quote. A quote is something a person actually said or in this case typed. What you posted isn't a quote, but something you pulled out your ass along with as it turns out most your other dribble.

There I paid you a little bit of attention, you can bask in the glory of being recognised as existing. Worthless but existing non the less. Your daily affirmation.

But from now on just sit in front of the mirror and say three times "kargen does know I am alive" and you won't have to post inane shit here just to get my attention.

so what
Member Tue Oct 18 13:09:13
This is not a leftwing vs rightwing thing, heck most "leftwing" and "rightwing" politicians, commentators, other media are owned/paid by the same group of people and companies.

These are people who are tired of the status quo, who refuse to accept the republicrat hegemony, to be given the choice to vote for the lesser moron as puppet president. They are following just the money. The financial institutions have been amongst the biggest sponsors of republicat and democrat politicians. These people want change, they just aren't clear on the goals and methods. It's a pure display of lack of trust in the current ruling system.

kargen
Member Tue Oct 18 13:39:23
so what, it seems many of them just want a free ride and to never work.

Demands include a living wage even if you do not work, and free college for everybody.

The free college seems like a good idea for about half a second. Then for those with two brain cells or more reality settles in and we realize there is no such thing as free college. Somebody somewhere is paying for it.

Others in the group might actually have some legitimate gripes, but those seem to mostly be lost.

so what
Member Tue Oct 18 13:43:31
kargen
Member Tue Oct 18 13:39:23
so what, it seems many of them just want a free ride and to never work.

------------

Yeah, it seems like that if you watch the mainstream media.

Oddfish
Member Tue Oct 18 14:42:54
*curtains*

kargen
Member Tue Oct 18 14:57:32
"Yeah, it seems like that if you watch the mainstream media."

Yeah, and it also seems like that if you actually listen to what the protesters are saying, and asking for.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/

Not everything there is coming from people taking the time to protest, but you can wade through the garbage and find some of what the protesters are demanding.

so what
Member Tue Oct 18 15:03:21
The participants are mainly protesting social and economic inequality, corporate greed, as well as the power and influence of corporations, particularly from the financial service sector, and lobbyists over government.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9Q4CNR81.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-lessig/occupywallst-then-occupyk_b_995547.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/08/occupy-america-protests-financial-crisis

kargen
Member Tue Oct 18 15:06:39
"The participants are mainly protesting social and economic inequality, corporate greed, as well as the power and influence of corporations, particularly from the financial service sector, and lobbyists over government."

Translation. Corporations have to much money, so take the money away from them and give us cool benefits we have not earned.

Go look at their site and quit relying on 3rd party rhetoric.

so what
Member Tue Oct 18 15:28:44
Is that your translation?

My translation would be; Corporations and other special interest groups have too much say in the policymaking of the US, lawmaking, lawspeaking and lawenforcement in the US to the detriment of the people of the US.

Their site is full of people like you, Dakyron and HR spouting their views. And indeed plenty of hippies, rednecks, trailer people. There is no real hierarchal organisation and no clear set goals and plans. But the main theme is that people are disgusted by the growing social and economic inequality. Many needing to do several jobs to make ends meet, many only a paycheck away from ending up on the street, many relying on coupons, despite them working hard. They see financial institutions fail, executives making costly farreaching misstakes, but at the same time they see the government bailing them out, those failed executives rewarded with millions for their failure due to legal contractual obligations and the government needing to cut on plans to help the weaker members of society and rewarding the rich and powerful with the excuse that eventually it will trickle down. They see a government no longer for the people, but a government in service of corporations and special interest groups.

NeverWoods
Member Tue Oct 18 16:21:57
"Translation. Corporations have to much money, so take the money away from them and give us cool benefits we have not earned. "

Worst translation ever.
It's not even about that.

Hot Rod
Member Tue Oct 18 16:22:50

What is it about?

NeverWoods
Member Tue Oct 18 16:23:20
http://i.imgur.com/wDOu1.png

so what
Member Tue Oct 18 16:41:39
Head Rot...

NeverWoods
Member Tue Oct 18 17:23:22
Foxnews viewers, can't expect them to know what's in the news and why.

Oddfish
Member Tue Oct 18 17:30:51
well, they have been proven to be less knowledgeable, after all

kargen
Member Tue Oct 18 17:38:28
Ya know if it were simply about the government bailouts and other corporate welfare they would have my full support.

The bailouts and corporate welfare was never really the agenda for the majority of those people though. Their agenda is taking from the one percent and distributing it to the 99%.

When the protesters are being interviewed all they seem to talk about is look at the divercity and look at the unity aint this great. Maybe they say they are there for a better future, but that is about as close to a real agenda as they get.

A few "organisers" have stepped in and tried to claim an agenda.

They are akin to when Palin, Hannity and others jumped on board the Tea Party then tried to identify it.

Most those people couldn't give a fuck one way or the other about real campaign finance reform. I will go a step farther and say most probably couldn't give you any real details about current campaign finance laws.

They think they are down there protesting inequality, but they don't know what that inequality is.

NeverWoods
Member Tue Oct 18 18:47:09
I think you are very clueless on the whole OWS.

NeverWoods
Member Tue Oct 18 18:47:10
I think you are very clueless on the whole OWS.

kargen
Member Wed Oct 19 02:31:10
Twas their site and their words I used to reach the above conclusion.

Oddfish
Member Wed Oct 19 03:08:00
try to put this shitty troll thread to some use, at least.

Don’t tell Occupy Wall Street: Cain’s 9-9-9 plan would be boon for private equity titans
By Zachary Roth

Under Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan, the managers of private equity funds--one of the most lucrative financial structures on Wall Street--would pay, on average, an income tax rate of just around 6 percent.

That's less than the 9 percent rate most workers would pay, and it's a huge dropoff from the best assessment of the tax rate for private-equity fund managers under the existing tax code, which is around 29 percent.

An accountant with the American Institute of CPAs prepared an analysis on Friday, at the request of Yahoo News, that found that Warren Buffett would likely pay no income taxes under Cain's 9-9-9 plan. But the plan would be almost as kind to those who run private equity funds. They would pay "a very, very small effective rate," Robert Willens, a tax adviser to financial firms and a former managing director at Lehman Brothers, told The Lookout.

Private-equity funds like The Carlyle Group and The Blackstone Group--whose billionaire manager, Stephen Schwarzman, threw himself a $3 million 60th birthday bash in 2007 that made him a poster boy for Wall Street excess--have boomed over the last decade, generating huge profits. They've been helped by a quirk of the tax code.

In a typical private-equity fund, the managers are paid about 2 percent of the firm's assets as a managing fee, plus 20 percent of the fund's profits--the "2 and 20" standard. But they pay income tax only on the 2 percent managing fee. The fund's profits are reported as "carried interest," which count as long-term capital gains. Under the current tax system, those gains are taxed at a rate of just 15 percent.

Under Cain's 9-9-9 plan, which has helped push him to the top of several polls of the 2012 Republican presidential field, long-term capital gains would not be taxed at all.

President Barack Obama and others have argued, amid concern over the deficit and widespread popular anger at the financial sector, that private-equity fund managers should be paying more, not less, in taxes.

When Obama floated the idea of closing the carried-interest loophole last year, Blackstone Group's Schwarzman likened the move to Hitler's invasion of Poland. (Schwarzman later apologized for the analogy.)

A careful and well-regarded academic study of 250 private-equity funds, conducted last year by the business school professors Andrew Metrick of Yale and Ayako Yasuda of the University of California, Davis, estimated that private equity managers, on average, claim one-third of their personal income as carried interest on their tax returns.

So under Cain's plan, which imposes a flat 9 percent income tax on everyone, private-equity managers would pay a 9 percent rate on the 66.7 percent share of their earnings that are subject to income tax. That comes to 6 percent of their total income, a reduction of almost 80 percent from the roughly 29 percent rate that Metrick and Kasuda's finding indicates they're currently paying.

Cain's plan lacks specifics, so it conceivably could involve closing the carried interest loophole. Asked by The Lookout whether Cain would continue to treat carried interest as a capital gain, a spokesman for the campaign pledged to respond, but did not do so before deadline.

"Will get back to you on carried interest," Rich Lowrie, Cain's top economic adviser and the man who helped devise the 9-9-9 plan, wrote in a subsequent e-mail to The Lookout.

Like private equity funds, hedge funds can report much of their profits as capital gains. But a larger share of their profits are short-term capital gains, which unlike long-term capital gains are taxed as regular income. So hedge funds don't benefit as much as do private equity funds from the carried-interest loophole, Robert Willens said.

Cain has not said whether his plan would change the tax treatment of short-term capital gains.

http://new...l-street-cain-9-225053818.html

so what
Member Thu Oct 20 12:16:02
Both the tea party as the ows movement have the same theme. Basically expressing discontent towards the current ruling political hegemony and the huge say of corporations and special interest groups.

The tea party movement also started with protests against the financial system in America, the huge government bail-outs of banks and other corporations causing some banks to make money with bets gone bad, bank executives who got millions despite their failing due to contractual obligations; with the american people having to foot the bill.

But then people like Palin and republicrat hacks hijacked the movement and made it into a left and right thing. No wonder the democrat and republican hacks tagteamed to discredit subsequently the tea party and ows movements with charges of racism and anti-semitism.

Everything to diffuse, discredit and wrongly polarise the main theme of protest against the government being corrupted by money of special interest groups to do things to the detriment of the American people.

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Hot Rod Member	Tue Oct 18 06:08:49 Great news: OWS now endorsed by both Communist and Nazi Parties posted at 8:45 am on October 17, 2011 by Ed Morrissey Just yesterday, Barack Obama asserted that Martin Luther King, Jr would have supported the Occupy Movement. If so, he would have found himself in the midst of some strange bedfellows: In a move that may redefine the term “strange bedfellows,” the American Nazi Party issued an official endorsement of the Occupy Wall Street protest movement on Sunday afternoon. The announcement put the organization, a self-described “National Socialist” political party, in company with the Socialist Party USA, which explained its own support for the left-wing protesters in a nationwide conference call last Tuesday night, crediting organized labor with the protests’ strength and sophistication to date. The American Nazi Party is the most politically sophisticated U.S. remnant — but by no means the only one — of white supremacist Adolph Hitler’s murderous 20th century movement. The party calls Hitler’s Mein Kampf “an ideological blueprint for healthy Aryan survival.” In its statement on Sunday, the Westland, Mich.-based Nazi party wrote that the Occupy Wall Street protests are “TAYLOR [sic] MADE for National Socialists, as well as WN [White Nationalists] who are serious about DOING SOMETHING.” “I urgently URGE all of you,” the statement’s unnamed author added, “to TAKE PART and JOIN IN when these protests hit your neck of the woods. Produce some flyers EXPLAINING the ‘JEW BANKER’ influence — DON’T wear anything marking you as an ‘evil racist’ — and GET OUT THERE and SPREAD the WORD!” Hey, they’re way ahead of you Nazis on that score. Just check out the pics from Zombie and Ringo from Occupy LA to see just why the Nazis might be cheering these protests from the sidelines — or maybe even closer to the action. We posted it before, but this video from Reason also shows why the Nazis think they can find fertile recruiting ground at Occupy rallies: Interviewer: “Name and affiliation?” Occupy Los Angeles protester: “Patricia McAllister, I’m here representing myself but I do work for the Los Angeles Unified School District. I think that the Zionist Jews who are running these big banks and our Federal Reserve — which is not run by the federal government — they need to be run out of this country.” Now the White House has apparently decided to align itself with Communists and Nazis, at least for the political benefit: President Obama and his team have decided to turn public anger at Wall Street into a central tenet of their reelection strategy. The move comes as the Occupy Wall Street protests gain momentum across the country and as polls show deep public distrust of the nation’s major financial institutions. And it sets up what strategists see as a potent line of attack against Republican front-runner Mitt Romney, a former investment executive whom Obama aides plan to portray as a wealthy Wall Street sympathizer. Perhaps Obama should start with an explanation of how MLK Jr would have found himself on the same side as Nazis in any public issue, especially after yesterday’s explicit suck-up to the movement during the dedication ceremony for King’s monument. I’d love to hear him connect King’s exhortation to judge men by the content of their character with the rampant anti-Semitism displayed at the Occupy rallies to such an extent that it has Nazis cheering. http://hot...th-communist-and-nazi-parties/
Hot Rod Member	Tue Oct 18 06:11:29 Just think, three key endorsements of their movement.
Oddfish Member	Tue Oct 18 06:42:06 stfu you stupid fucking troll cunt
Oddfish Member	Tue Oct 18 06:44:54 hey guess what! KKK, AQ, OBL, Hamas, The nazis, they all hate obama just like you! it must be great news for you to get such key endorsements!
Aeros Member	Tue Oct 18 06:47:02 KKK is also solidly Republican.
Oddfish Member	Tue Oct 18 06:54:17 Lets have a look at david dukes site and see who he sounds the most like. Heres the headlines for today: Montana Tea Party at Least Trying Naturally the liberal media goes into fits of panic at the thought of White people actually getting the sort of government that a majority would like. According to the mainstream media, every law we get needs to be approved by liberals first, regardless of how small a minority liberals may become. _______________________ Liberals oppose policies that work and are committed to policies that fail. _______________________ Liberals decide: If you can’t change things, cheat. ________________________ Extremely arrogant and obnoxious liberal Congressman sunk by sex scandal. ________________________ Liberals continue to push immorality on society. ________________________ Big Setback for the Left in Wisconsin ________________________ Lying Liberals May Lose a Propaganda Outlet Liberals are liars and they insist that everyone else believe their lies or face social ostracism. If anyone needs proof that liberals are liars, keep reading. Etcetera. Wow, david duke sounds almost like a poster at UP! You know, whatshisname...uhmm...
roland Member	Tue Oct 18 06:55:43 Hamas Rod didnt get this nickname from nothing, lol.
Oddfish Member	Tue Oct 18 06:57:48 Awwww, look at that. david duke defending the tea party. What a great endorsement for you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDeNBsD8iRc
Hot Rod Member	Tue Oct 18 07:02:22 As usual you people are diving into the shallow end of the pool. The subject of this thread is the three key endorsements for QWS. Obama, The Nazis, and The Communists. Please stay on topic or go drown yourself.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Oct 18 07:04:01 If you are incapable of staying on topic please go start your own thread.
roland Member	Tue Oct 18 07:04:47 What? You dont think Hamas, AQ, KKK etc endorse your hatred of Obama?
Oddfish Member	Tue Oct 18 07:05:36 "That doesnt mean he doesnt like liberals, it just means they disagree on one or two points, apart from that they actually really like each other, in fact I know a guy in the next town who is a liberal KKK member who voted for obama" -kargen
Oddfish Member	Tue Oct 18 07:06:21 If you are incapable of debating on topic please leave this thread, you fucking cunt.
miltonfriedman Member	Tue Oct 18 10:58:25
saiko Member	Tue Oct 18 11:10:42 "The subject of this thread is the three key endorsements for QWS." How are they 'key'?
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Oct 18 11:47:33 It's a false flag endorsement, obviously. Didn't left-funded "Klansmen" endorse McCain to ensure the Obama victory? Karma's a bitch.
sstrickland New Member	Tue Oct 18 11:49:47 ^ this
kargen Member	Tue Oct 18 12:58:46 Oddfish, what is your fasination with me? Are you just so awed by my presense that you have to try and drag me into every thread? Get a fucking life. Oh and a little tidbit of knowledge for your silly ignorant self. "" is for putting around a quote. A quote is something a person actually said or in this case typed. What you posted isn't a quote, but something you pulled out your ass along with as it turns out most your other dribble. There I paid you a little bit of attention, you can bask in the glory of being recognised as existing. Worthless but existing non the less. Your daily affirmation. But from now on just sit in front of the mirror and say three times "kargen does know I am alive" and you won't have to post inane shit here just to get my attention.
so what Member	Tue Oct 18 13:09:13 This is not a leftwing vs rightwing thing, heck most "leftwing" and "rightwing" politicians, commentators, other media are owned/paid by the same group of people and companies. These are people who are tired of the status quo, who refuse to accept the republicrat hegemony, to be given the choice to vote for the lesser moron as puppet president. They are following just the money. The financial institutions have been amongst the biggest sponsors of republicat and democrat politicians. These people want change, they just aren't clear on the goals and methods. It's a pure display of lack of trust in the current ruling system.
kargen Member	Tue Oct 18 13:39:23 so what, it seems many of them just want a free ride and to never work. Demands include a living wage even if you do not work, and free college for everybody. The free college seems like a good idea for about half a second. Then for those with two brain cells or more reality settles in and we realize there is no such thing as free college. Somebody somewhere is paying for it. Others in the group might actually have some legitimate gripes, but those seem to mostly be lost.
so what Member	Tue Oct 18 13:43:31 kargen Member Tue Oct 18 13:39:23 so what, it seems many of them just want a free ride and to never work. ------------ Yeah, it seems like that if you watch the mainstream media.
Oddfish Member	Tue Oct 18 14:42:54 *curtains*
kargen Member	Tue Oct 18 14:57:32 "Yeah, it seems like that if you watch the mainstream media." Yeah, and it also seems like that if you actually listen to what the protesters are saying, and asking for. http://occupywallst.org/forum/ Not everything there is coming from people taking the time to protest, but you can wade through the garbage and find some of what the protesters are demanding.
so what Member	Tue Oct 18 15:03:21 The participants are mainly protesting social and economic inequality, corporate greed, as well as the power and influence of corporations, particularly from the financial service sector, and lobbyists over government. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9Q4CNR81.htm http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-lessig/occupywallst-then-occupyk_b_995547.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/08/occupy-america-protests-financial-crisis
kargen Member	Tue Oct 18 15:06:39 "The participants are mainly protesting social and economic inequality, corporate greed, as well as the power and influence of corporations, particularly from the financial service sector, and lobbyists over government." Translation. Corporations have to much money, so take the money away from them and give us cool benefits we have not earned. Go look at their site and quit relying on 3rd party rhetoric.
so what Member	Tue Oct 18 15:28:44 Is that your translation? My translation would be; Corporations and other special interest groups have too much say in the policymaking of the US, lawmaking, lawspeaking and lawenforcement in the US to the detriment of the people of the US. Their site is full of people like you, Dakyron and HR spouting their views. And indeed plenty of hippies, rednecks, trailer people. There is no real hierarchal organisation and no clear set goals and plans. But the main theme is that people are disgusted by the growing social and economic inequality. Many needing to do several jobs to make ends meet, many only a paycheck away from ending up on the street, many relying on coupons, despite them working hard. They see financial institutions fail, executives making costly farreaching misstakes, but at the same time they see the government bailing them out, those failed executives rewarded with millions for their failure due to legal contractual obligations and the government needing to cut on plans to help the weaker members of society and rewarding the rich and powerful with the excuse that eventually it will trickle down. They see a government no longer for the people, but a government in service of corporations and special interest groups.
NeverWoods Member	Tue Oct 18 16:21:57 "Translation. Corporations have to much money, so take the money away from them and give us cool benefits we have not earned. " Worst translation ever. It's not even about that.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Oct 18 16:22:50 What is it about?
NeverWoods Member	Tue Oct 18 16:23:20 http://i.imgur.com/wDOu1.png
so what Member	Tue Oct 18 16:41:39 Head Rot...
NeverWoods Member	Tue Oct 18 17:23:22 Foxnews viewers, can't expect them to know what's in the news and why.
Oddfish Member	Tue Oct 18 17:30:51 well, they have been proven to be less knowledgeable, after all
kargen Member	Tue Oct 18 17:38:28 Ya know if it were simply about the government bailouts and other corporate welfare they would have my full support. The bailouts and corporate welfare was never really the agenda for the majority of those people though. Their agenda is taking from the one percent and distributing it to the 99%. When the protesters are being interviewed all they seem to talk about is look at the divercity and look at the unity aint this great. Maybe they say they are there for a better future, but that is about as close to a real agenda as they get. A few "organisers" have stepped in and tried to claim an agenda. They are akin to when Palin, Hannity and others jumped on board the Tea Party then tried to identify it. Most those people couldn't give a fuck one way or the other about real campaign finance reform. I will go a step farther and say most probably couldn't give you any real details about current campaign finance laws. They think they are down there protesting inequality, but they don't know what that inequality is.
NeverWoods Member	Tue Oct 18 18:47:09 I think you are very clueless on the whole OWS.
NeverWoods Member	Tue Oct 18 18:47:10 I think you are very clueless on the whole OWS.
kargen Member	Wed Oct 19 02:31:10 Twas their site and their words I used to reach the above conclusion.
Oddfish Member	Wed Oct 19 03:08:00 try to put this shitty troll thread to some use, at least. Don’t tell Occupy Wall Street: Cain’s 9-9-9 plan would be boon for private equity titans By Zachary Roth Under Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan, the managers of private equity funds--one of the most lucrative financial structures on Wall Street--would pay, on average, an income tax rate of just around 6 percent. That's less than the 9 percent rate most workers would pay, and it's a huge dropoff from the best assessment of the tax rate for private-equity fund managers under the existing tax code, which is around 29 percent. An accountant with the American Institute of CPAs prepared an analysis on Friday, at the request of Yahoo News, that found that Warren Buffett would likely pay no income taxes under Cain's 9-9-9 plan. But the plan would be almost as kind to those who run private equity funds. They would pay "a very, very small effective rate," Robert Willens, a tax adviser to financial firms and a former managing director at Lehman Brothers, told The Lookout. Private-equity funds like The Carlyle Group and The Blackstone Group--whose billionaire manager, Stephen Schwarzman, threw himself a $3 million 60th birthday bash in 2007 that made him a poster boy for Wall Street excess--have boomed over the last decade, generating huge profits. They've been helped by a quirk of the tax code. In a typical private-equity fund, the managers are paid about 2 percent of the firm's assets as a managing fee, plus 20 percent of the fund's profits--the "2 and 20" standard. But they pay income tax only on the 2 percent managing fee. The fund's profits are reported as "carried interest," which count as long-term capital gains. Under the current tax system, those gains are taxed at a rate of just 15 percent. Under Cain's 9-9-9 plan, which has helped push him to the top of several polls of the 2012 Republican presidential field, long-term capital gains would not be taxed at all. President Barack Obama and others have argued, amid concern over the deficit and widespread popular anger at the financial sector, that private-equity fund managers should be paying more, not less, in taxes. When Obama floated the idea of closing the carried-interest loophole last year, Blackstone Group's Schwarzman likened the move to Hitler's invasion of Poland. (Schwarzman later apologized for the analogy.) A careful and well-regarded academic study of 250 private-equity funds, conducted last year by the business school professors Andrew Metrick of Yale and Ayako Yasuda of the University of California, Davis, estimated that private equity managers, on average, claim one-third of their personal income as carried interest on their tax returns. So under Cain's plan, which imposes a flat 9 percent income tax on everyone, private-equity managers would pay a 9 percent rate on the 66.7 percent share of their earnings that are subject to income tax. That comes to 6 percent of their total income, a reduction of almost 80 percent from the roughly 29 percent rate that Metrick and Kasuda's finding indicates they're currently paying. Cain's plan lacks specifics, so it conceivably could involve closing the carried interest loophole. Asked by The Lookout whether Cain would continue to treat carried interest as a capital gain, a spokesman for the campaign pledged to respond, but did not do so before deadline. "Will get back to you on carried interest," Rich Lowrie, Cain's top economic adviser and the man who helped devise the 9-9-9 plan, wrote in a subsequent e-mail to The Lookout. Like private equity funds, hedge funds can report much of their profits as capital gains. But a larger share of their profits are short-term capital gains, which unlike long-term capital gains are taxed as regular income. So hedge funds don't benefit as much as do private equity funds from the carried-interest loophole, Robert Willens said. Cain has not said whether his plan would change the tax treatment of short-term capital gains. http://new...l-street-cain-9-225053818.html
so what Member	Thu Oct 20 12:16:02 Both the tea party as the ows movement have the same theme. Basically expressing discontent towards the current ruling political hegemony and the huge say of corporations and special interest groups. The tea party movement also started with protests against the financial system in America, the huge government bail-outs of banks and other corporations causing some banks to make money with bets gone bad, bank executives who got millions despite their failing due to contractual obligations; with the american people having to foot the bill. But then people like Palin and republicrat hacks hijacked the movement and made it into a left and right thing. No wonder the democrat and republican hacks tagteamed to discredit subsequently the tea party and ows movements with charges of racism and anti-semitism. Everything to diffuse, discredit and wrongly polarise the main theme of protest against the government being corrupted by money of special interest groups to do things to the detriment of the American people.
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