Utopia Talk / Politics / If You Don't Like American Traditions

Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 07:16:22 Get the fuck out. I am sick and tired of the PC bullshit where we are required to give up our traditions for fear of offending some foreigner that hates us anyway. We don't need or want you here. And that goes for you atheists that keep wrecking Christmas too.
roland Member	Thu Oct 13 07:19:17 Lol, American Traditions evolve and change all the time, Ku Klux Klan was one of the most iconic tradition here.
asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa Member	Thu Oct 13 07:22:14 "We don't need or want you here." Who is we?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 07:25:01 That is not what I am talking about, are you really too dense to understand that? A group was holding a meeting at an Olive Gardens restaurant and were told they could not display an American Flag for fear of offending other customers.
Aeros Member	Thu Oct 13 07:25:08 Oh, is it time for the annual war on Christmas again?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 07:25:57 asdas, me and the other Americans.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 07:26:35 Aeros is always looking for a war.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 07:28:25 Is it the War on Christmas time at Fox already? Iirc they usually begin the onslaught in November. OReilly usually had a couple of days wall to wall war on Christmas coverage, the rest of retards followed.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 07:29:03 Lol, aeros already posted it
chuck Member	Thu Oct 13 07:35:18 "A group was holding a meeting at an Olive Gardens restaurant and were told they could not display an American Flag for fear of offending other customers." Was this a group you belonged to or something you got via the news? Maybe they are just tired of seeing people wrap their politics in the American flag. I know I am. "We're not just anti-immigrant, pro-life and anti-evolution, we're also PRO-FLAGS yeehaw America USA USA USA" Without more information, one can only guess.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 07:35:25 Olive Garden apologizes for not allowing U.S. flag 11:45 am October 12, 2011, by George Mathis Olive Garden is apologizing for refusing to allow an 80-year-old Kiwanis Club member to display the U.S. flag at an Alabama restaurant. The City of Oxford website. The Kiwanis Club in the east Alabama city of Oxford had planned a banquet, but Marti Warren, of Anniston, said she wasn’t allowed to bring the flag or a banner into the building. Warren, in a Fox News interview, said, “This is not my country. This is not my country I grew up with.” Warren, a former educator, told Fox she was outraged. “I was so angry. I felt like I had been slapped in the face.” Oxford is located 90 miles west of Atlanta on I-20. Management at the restaurant refused to answer questions concerning the incident, such as the size of the flag. A media contact would not answer specific questions either, but did issue an apology via email. “We are very sorry for any misunderstanding about this issue. We do not have a policy at Olive Garden concerning bringing the American flag into our restaurants. Some members of our team were misinformed about company policy by our corporate office. As a company we take responsibility for that and we regret it. We take pride in how we communicate to our restaurants and we are correcting this so it doesn’t happen again. Like all Americans we have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for the American flag and everything it symbolizes, and we welcome anyone who wishes to bring the flag into our restaurants. In fact, we periodically provide American flag collar pins to our employees to wear while serving guests.” The parent firm of Olive Garden,  Darden restaurants, which also operates the Red Lobster and Longhorn chains, is based in Orlando. ShareThis Print
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 07:40:16 Now, first question - why does Rod despise American businesses so much? These are honest working people, job creating backbone of the once great nation. They just want to work hard and run their business the way they feel is best. Damnit, is this too much to ask? But no, Rod and other republican commies insist on telling American job creators how to run their business. This is outrageous.
chuck Member	Thu Oct 13 07:41:40 Well then, that does sound quite retarded. It also sounds like whoever runs that particular branch is a retard though, not like "we have to give up our traditions for fear of offending some foreigner."
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 07:47:09 "Warren, in a Fox News interview, said, “This is not my country. This is not my country I grew up with.” It sounds like she is the one that should get the fuck out. Since, you know, it's not her country anymore.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 07:49:22 I see. So you guys believe in Political Correctness where everyone in The United States must bend over backwards and give up the ways they have always run their lives in order to accommodate some stranger that thinks different than we do. I find your attitude disgusting and a violation of American Rights.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 07:52:14 Wow, nanny staters think that they should be able to tell hard working American job creators how to run their business. I really find this attitude disgusting.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 07:56:23 Did you read the article you posted? Thought not. Some idiot manager, probably a liberal, denied the display of The American Flag in violation of corporate wishes. Why don't you get on his ass, he is the dipshit that tried to impose his PC bullshit on others, He should have been fired.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 08:05:15 Wow, how else are you planning to hurt entrepreneurs in USA? You fuckin statist commie.
Paramount Member	Thu Oct 13 08:07:08 What traditions have you been required to give up, Hot Rod?
Pissflaps McGee Member	Thu Oct 13 08:07:50 Since when the fuck is taking a flag into an Olive Garden Restaurant a "tradition"?
jergul Member	Thu Oct 13 08:09:35 "A group was holding a meeting at an Olive Gardens restaurant and were told they could not display an American Flag for fear of offending other customers." Why do you hate private property and an owner's right to treat property as an extension of self?
jergul Member	Thu Oct 13 08:12:41 "Some members of our team were misinformed about company policy by our corporate office. As a company we take responsibility for that and we regret it" The extension of self had expressed itself poorly and takes full responsibility. But fact is that the extension did misinform its representatives of its wishes and they were acting on what the extension of self had told them.
Paramount Member	Thu Oct 13 08:15:51 ""A group was holding a meeting at an Olive Gardens restaurant"" What kind of group was that? A terrorist group? Besides, in a restaurant you are supposed to eat, not have a meeting and waving a flag. If they wanted to display a flag they could do it in their own kitchen.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:15:56 It was not the owner dimwits. It was an idiot manager imposing his PC on others. Read CrownRoyal post about the corporate (*THE OWNERS*) response to the incident. Good Grief, have you all taken stupid pills this morning?
Paramount Member	Thu Oct 13 08:17:38 As the manager he runs the place and can decide things.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:18:50 He decided against the owners wishes on how the business should be run. He should have been fired.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 08:19:43 Wtf is this, Cuba? If she doesn't like how the business is run, just leave. "He should have been fired. " Because YOU know better how to run that business and will dictate it to the proprietors? Or maybe that old cunt knows better? Maybe you should tell the owners what they should charge for their food too? I mean, besides who to fire and hire?
Paramount Member	Thu Oct 13 08:23:16 "He decided against the owners wishes on how the business should be run." They told him afterwards what their wishes was, didn't they?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:24:31 "Some members of our team were misinformed about company policy by our corporate office. As a company we take responsibility for that and we regret it" I see that as an attempt to just sooth things over. Corporate taking the blame is the flip side of blaming corporate, just depends on the situation. When I was working customer service I would get on the side of the customer to calm them down by telling them, "I know how you feel sit, but *THEY* won't let me do it that way."
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:26:16 CR, I am obviously expressing my personal opinion as are you.
chuck Member	Thu Oct 13 08:26:42 "probably a liberal," "in the east Alabama city of Oxford" East Alabama is practically the San Fransisco of Alabama, after all. If they weren't a bunch elitists, they wouldn't have named it after a center of so-called elite learning. Real patriots would have named it Wasilla, Alabama. Now there's an American name! Of course it was a liberal and not just some first tier management schmuck from Alabama who misinterpreted the rules.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 08:28:55 Hot Rod Member Thu Oct 13 08:26:16 CR, I am obviously expressing my personal opinion as are you. ----------- Yes, I am pro job creators and you are a commie prick who want to tell people how to run their business.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:29:20 I am quite sure that manager cast the deciding vote to name the city Oxford.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 08:30:20 And you are anti-American and should get the fuck out of the great US of A, Rod.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:32:28 And as a foreigner you should never ever visit my country.
Oddfish Member	Thu Oct 13 08:34:58 rolf stupid fucking bastard
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:35:40 CrownRoyal - Yes, I am pro job creators and you are a commie prick who want to tell people how to run their business. I guess that means you want to turn back the civil rights clock so whites can keep African Americans out of their business'.
chuck Member	Thu Oct 13 08:40:28 "I guess that means you want to turn back the civil rights clock so whites can keep African Americans out of their business'." Why would you bring this up when you know this is one of the most derided opinions you hold? Hot "I can bring flags wherever I want but you can't bring your black friend because THAT'S AMERICA" Rod
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:47:27 chuck, think man, think. Look at what CR posted, I was responding to his claim that business owners should be allowed to run their business as they please. Stands to reason he would oppose the civil rights legislation because it flies against private ownership. That is what he is advocating isn't it. The right for any business to kick people out of their business' for any reason they please.
chuck Member	Thu Oct 13 08:51:36 A) He is trolling you and winning so hard. B) I'm positive I've seen you wistfully wish it were the case that store owners could refuse service to minorities "because it flies against private ownership."
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:51:51 BTW, I do not oppose the civil rights legislation, but I admit I have mixed emotions about it. And no, it is not a question of race. It is a question of initiating force and property rights.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Oct 13 08:53:12 " but I admit I have mixed emotions about it. " because of your raging racism?
Oddfish Member	Thu Oct 13 08:53:30 Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:35:23 You still got that big juicy nigger cock up your ass queer? atarchive.gotdns.org:8080/UtopiaForums/boardthread?id=politics&thread=36586&showdeleted=true
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 08:54:30 CR, learn to read or go play with yourself.
jergul Member	Thu Oct 13 09:01:07 Hot Rod What is wrong with your reading skills. The owner took full responsibility for misinforming the staff.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 09:02:15 jergul, I already responded to that.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Oct 13 09:29:53 let me get this straight... Hamas Rod saw some thing on Fox News and then got mad? Is that the crux of the issue here?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 09:32:18 No.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Oct 13 10:03:14 lulz @ Hamas Rod coming to UP immediately after watching Fox News.
Oddfish Member	Thu Oct 13 10:07:36 indeed. Hannity or someone talked about this morning, apparently.
kilo Member	Thu Oct 13 13:03:13 "I guess that means you want to turn back the civil rights clock so whites can keep African Americans out of their business'." Wow.....did Hot Rod just pull the race card?
yankeessuck123 Member	Thu Oct 13 13:14:34 This thread is awful.
Hellfire Member	Thu Oct 13 13:39:00 "I am sick and tired of the PC bullshit where we are required to give up our traditions for fear of offending some foreigner that hates us anyway. " We're sick of you overbearing assholes trying to crap "patriotism" into every facet of American life. It's a fucking private business, this wasn't about the Flag itself. They "said she wasn’t allowed to bring the flag *****or a banner****** into the building. " This wasn't about the American Flag and offending people you asshole.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 13:48:36 Hf - We're sick of you overbearing assholes trying to crap "patriotism" into every facet of American life. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. Hf - It's a fucking private business, this wasn't about the Flag itself. They "said she wasn’t allowed to bring the flag *****or a banner****** into the building. " Corporate - "We do not have a policy at Olive Garden concerning bringing the American flag into our restaurants." The manager was probably an ass hole that hates America as much as you do.
yankeessuck123 Member	Thu Oct 13 13:54:22 "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT." Or try to change it. That's called progress.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 13:55:16 Hf - This wasn't about the American Flag and offending people you asshole. ""To be fair to everyone and avoid disrupting the dining experience for all other guests, they're unable to accommodate flags or banners of any type in the dining room," according to the statement." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2792083/posts Now, why don't you go lick your wounds. Maybe if you burn an American Flag it will cheer you up.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 13:56:45 yankee, do you really believe that banning The American Flag from being viewed is improving America?
yankeessuck123 Member	Thu Oct 13 14:00:08 I'm speaking in general terms. It is the right of any person in a free country to try to change what they don't like.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 14:03:55 And that is exactly what I want to do by getting rid of all of the PC do gooders.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 14:12:02 This is more of the bullshit that needs to go. ""A Texas student is upset with school officials, saying administrators went too far when they used a permanent marker to fill in lines shaved into his hair. Marshall Junior High student Sheldon Williams has two areas on his head where the shave is closer than the rest of his hair. School officials said it was a violation of the Marshall dress code, which prohibits "designs shaved into hair," KYTX reports. "She said we're not supposed to have two parts, we can only have one," Williams told KYTX. "I was kind of mad cause I don't want no sharpie marker in my hair." Williams tells KSLA that his hair has been styled and shaved like that for a while, and hasn't come across problems at school. Williams' mother says she never received notification of the issue before the educator took a sharpie to her son's head, calling the failure to inform disrespectful." http://www...t_n_1008900.html?ncid=webmail1
Paramount Member	Thu Oct 13 14:13:51 First of all, what does PC mean? Political correctness? My second question is... how do you plan to "get rid of them"?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 14:14:58 By holding them up to ridicule and telling them to leave.
Paramount Member	Thu Oct 13 14:17:16 And if they won't leave?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 14:18:43 Then I keep ridiculing them.
Paramount Member	Thu Oct 13 14:20:53 Ok
kilo Member	Thu Oct 13 15:26:00 "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT." Hot Rod is a fascist?
kilo Member	Thu Oct 13 15:26:23 Hot Rod are you sure you're a libertarian?
Hellfire Member	Thu Oct 13 15:33:15 Hf - This wasn't about the American Flag and offending people you asshole. ""To be fair to everyone and avoid disrupting the dining experience for all other guests, they're unable to accommodate flags or banners of any type in the dining room," according to the statement." Now, why don't you go lick your wounds. Maybe if you burn an American Flag it will cheer you up. ------------------------------------------- You just don't get it. It wasn't about the American flag itself, it was **ANY FLAG OR ANY BANNER**. This is a place of business for dining, not a war memorial or 4H fair.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 15:33:41 Yep.
Oddfish Member	Thu Oct 13 15:35:37 so stfu you cunt
kilo Member	Thu Oct 13 15:36:36 So you're a libertarian fascist......I see now.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 15:37:00 Hf - You just don't get it. It wasn't about the American flag itself, it was **ANY FLAG OR ANY BANNER**. So they won't let you bring your United Nations flag in?
kilo Member	Thu Oct 13 15:37:46 United Nations *FLAG*
kilo Member	Thu Oct 13 15:42:26 I think he likes the blacks.....if Blacks was the last name of a white family.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 15:43:30 kilo, I see you do not understand the concept of force.
Oddfish Member	Thu Oct 13 15:45:15 But not if the Blacks were a black family, huh. Thats strange, because thats not how he sees himself at all. In fact, he sees himself as some sort of hero and defender of the black people...
Rugian Member	Thu Oct 13 15:54:25 N-I-G-G-A-R it's the Niggar Family!
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 15:55:54 kilo, you missed the point entirely. CrownRoyal is the one who wants to get rid of the civil rights laws so you will lose your right to vote and have to ride in the back of the buss.
Oddfish Member	Thu Oct 13 15:57:53 ^ John Birch racist
Hellfire Member	Thu Oct 13 16:09:26 "So they won't let you bring your United Nations flag in? " Is it a banner or a flag? "CrownRoyal is the one who wants to get rid of the civil rights laws so you will lose your right to vote and have to ride in the back of the buss. " Patriotism isn't a protected trait such as race, sexual orientation, etc. stop being a moron.
Dakyron Member	Thu Oct 13 16:14:39 Sexual orientation is also not a protected trait. At least not in all states.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 16:22:34 Hf - stop being a moron. Stop being a communist, hippy, liberal, socialist freak and Pledge Allegiance to your country.
Aeros Member	Thu Oct 13 16:23:10 Implying any of those things makes you inherently disloyal to your country.
Aeros Member	Thu Oct 13 16:23:44 Oh, but I forget. In HR land, loyalty is contingent upon obeying the orthodoxy of The Party.
Hellfire Member	Thu Oct 13 16:25:42 Ah yes, HR yelling about socialism while living on government assistance.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 16:33:26 Loyalty is contingent upon having respect for our country and it's traditions.
Hellfire Member	Thu Oct 13 16:36:22 traditions change as cultural norms change so go die already so we can move on as a society.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 16:39:25 So you consider the destruction of America and her values as 'changing cultural norms?'
Aeros Member	Thu Oct 13 16:41:26 "So you consider the destruction of America and her values as 'changing cultural norms?'" That depends on how you view things. Change is a fact of life. France of the 21st century is hardly culturally akin to France of the 16th century. The same could be said about any country on the planet. The reverse could be said Rod. If the Majority of the United States decided that tomorrow we should be a Communist country instead of a Capitalist country, who would you stay loyal too? The country that no longer exists or the the one that does?
Rugian Member	Thu Oct 13 16:41:43 What are our values, exactly? Vehemently opposing the rights of a religious group to build a place of worship, warrantless wiretaps, kill lists to assassinate American citizens, military tribunals, extraordinary rendition, "enhanced" interrogation, and foreign prison camps? Do we count those as being among our values?
Aeros Member	Thu Oct 13 16:42:55 Hell, the US is not even really culturally akin to the US that existed in 1782. I get this little history lesson every time I ride my bike to school. Culturally, we are completely different from the people who existed when the country was founded.
Aeros Member	Thu Oct 13 16:47:10 In fact Hot Rod, I would posit this desire to constantly reinvent the wheel culturally is what makes America so powerful. We don't get hung up on outmoded thinking like some countries do. Of course, this could be changing, but I doubt it if the trends amongst the rising Generation is any indication.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 16:47:50 Aeros - Hell, the US is not even really culturally akin to the US that existed in 1782. Exactly my point, see what we have lost. What we have turned into is what Rugian describes. "Vehemently opposing the rights of a religious group to build a place of worship, warrantless wiretaps, kill lists to assassinate American citizens, military tribunals, extraordinary rendition, "enhanced" interrogation, and foreign prison camps? Do we count those as being among our values?" I'll take 1782 values any day.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 16:49:17 BTW, I blame the liberals, both democrat and republican, for what we have become.
Hellfire Member	Thu Oct 13 16:57:54 You would take values like slavery and inequality you senile fuck. I blame your generation for fucking up the economy and raising a generation of self-entitled children who have no work ethic.
Hellfire Member	Thu Oct 13 17:01:00 Although you are pretty fucking old, I guess it would be your kids who fucked up the economy and raised a generation of self-entitled children. You were just the assholes who brought up the children thinking they could sue everyone into being nice to their children and that greed was ok.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 17:10:17 ERR... Hf, slavery and inequality are anti-values. BTW, you are one of the self-entitled children.
Hellfire Member	Thu Oct 13 17:15:43 "Hf, slavery and inequality are anti-values. " Sorry, they're all part of the 1782 value set. "BTW, you are one of the self-entitled children." Except I'm one of the ones paying your fucking medicare and social security benefits because I grew up and got an Engineering degree
Rugian Member	Thu Oct 13 17:16:20 "Sorry, they're all part of the 1782 value set." Slavery wasn't a universal value even in 1782.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Oct 13 17:22:01 WASN'T THAT FUN?
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