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Hot Rod Member	Fri Jan 14 07:58:50 Pope John Paul II will be beatified after Easter Current pontiff Benedict XVI certifies that a miracle healing attributed to John Paul is genuine. The finding puts John Paul closer to sainthood, for which a second miracle is required. Reporting from Manchester, England â?? The late Pope John Paul II will be beatified this spring, the Vatican announced Friday after the current pontiff, Benedict XVI, certified that his predecessor had met the requirements. The move puts the former pope a step closer to sainthood on what is already an unusually accelerated timetable that Benedict launched within weeks of John Paul's death almost six years ago. The Vatican said Benedict had approved findings by the church that John Paul had performed a miracle after his death, a prerequisite for beatification. A nun who suffered from Parkinson's disease, as did the late pope, said she was healed of her affliction after praying to John Paul shortly after he died. Get dispatches from Times correspondents around the globe delivered to your inbox with our daily World newsletter. Sign up » The beatification is to take place May 1, the first Sunday after Easter, the Vatican said. The decision to elevate John Paul, who inspired millions worldwide with his tough stance against Communism and his resilience after a 1981 assassination attempt, is a spot of good news for the Roman Catholic Church, which has been battered by countless allegations of sexual abuse by priests, nuns and other religious workers. Many of those acts of abuse were alleged to have occurred during John Paul's 27-year papacy. But much of the blame for the church's slow and largely defensive response to the complaints has now shifted to today's Vatican. After John Paul's death on April 2, 2005, mourners and pilgrims at his funeral in St. Peter's Square waved signs calling for "sainthood right now," in a mark of their devotion. Weeks later, Benedict said he would immediately open the process leading to canonization, overriding rules that dictate a five-year wait after a person dies. At the end of 2009, Benedict gave formal recognition of John Paul's "heroic virtues" and granted him the title of "venerable." After his beatification, the late pontiff will be known as "blessed." For sainthood, a second confirmed miracle is required. Reports surfaced last year that at least some church investigators were doubtful of claims by Sister Marie Simon-Pierre, a French nun, to have been cured of Parkinson's through John Paul's intercession. But the panel overseeing such investigations concluded that the nun's recovery from the degenerative disease had no other explanation -- in other words, that it was a genuine miracle. Although accelerated procedures toward sainthood are unusual, they are not without precedent. John Paul himself put Mother Teresa on the "fast track" to beatification after her death in 1997. She was beatified in 2003. http://www...atify-20110115,0,1088918.story
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Jan 14 13:46:32 I think Poland missed the memo, they were calling him Saint back in 2006 when I was there.
Dakyron Member	Fri Jan 14 13:50:41 Politicization of "miracles" is so sad its not even funny. I almost feel bad for the blasphemous old pedophiles.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 14 13:51:54 We need another Reformation to rectify this.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Jan 14 13:54:34 Can the political event itself be the miracle, daky?
Dakyron Member	Fri Jan 14 14:10:27 A miracle has to come from God, with no earthly explanation. And it has to be attributed to the "saint".
Dakyron Member	Fri Jan 14 14:11:31 At least, thats my interpretation. I'm not catholic though, so they can be as blasphemous and vain as they wish.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 14 14:13:07 wtf is this religious bullshit thread?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 14 14:14:18 the nun claimed she prayed to the dead pope & was cured, and the new pope said ok
Dakyron Member	Fri Jan 14 14:15:23 Thats even more blasphemous, tw, as it assumes the pope himself has godlike powers to heal.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 14 14:44:13 well then the Catholic church is blasphemous, because that seems to be the process dead pope has to perform 1 miracle after death to get 'beatified' & 2 miracles to be a saint with current pope as the judge
kargen Member	Fri Jan 14 15:53:49 Father Guido Sarducci: You know, you don't have-a a patron saint for the United States, but there are some American saints. Just the last couple of years they made-a some. The first was-a about-a two years ago. Her name was-a Saint Elizabeth Ann Seton. Mother Seton-is-a what they call her. And she's got-a these nuns of her own order who lobby-they're real heavy-they came to Rome and everything. And it's amazing, you see. To be made a saint in-a the catholic church, you have to have-a four miracles. That's-a the rules, you know. It's-a always been that-a. Four miracles, and-a to prove it. Well, this-a Mother Seton-now they could only prove-a three miracles. But the Pope-he just waved the fourth one. He just waved it! And do you know why? It's-a because she was American. It's all-a politics. We got-a some Italian-a people, they got-a forty, fifty, sixty miracles to their name. They can't-a get in just cause they say there's already too many Italian saints, and this woman comes along with-a three lousy miracles. I understand that-a two of them was-a card tricks. Next thing you know, they're gonna be making Kreskin a saint. Saint Kreskin-they'll probably call him. It's a good one.
Canadian Member	Sat Jan 15 16:46:56 "Father Guido" - Can I get an Ehhhhhhhhh-men?
mexicantornado Member	Sat Jan 15 16:50:01 Catholic church is pretty shitty. But Pope John Paul definitely did more good than evil while he was king of the Catholics or whatever the fuck a Pope is exactly.
river of blood Member	Sat Jan 15 16:55:13 I thought catholic sainthood was based on how many 6-year-old male butt holes you've ripped open in a given period of time. What a fucking joke this is. Sad. All of catholicism needs to be destroyed for the good of humanity.
yankeessuck123 Member	Sat Jan 15 17:37:49 I find the Catholic Church to be so amusingly backward.
river of blood Member	Sat Jan 15 17:46:56 The trophy for catholic sainthood should be a young boy's taxidermied ass split wide open with a dildo shaped crucifix.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Jan 15 18:26:38 river speaks the truth
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