Utopia Talk / Politics / Political Quote of The Day

Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 29 10:13:16 The spammers ruined the other threads as I am quite sure they will ruin this one. That is the nature of those who do not believe in Free Speech. ~ On December 28, 1945, Congress made the Pledge of Allegiance the offical national pledge to the US flag. noted clergyman Henry Ward Beecher (1813-87) reminded us what our flag means: If one asks the meaning of our flag, I say it means just what Concord and Lexington meant, what Bunker Hill meant. It means the whole glorious Revolutionary War. It means all that the Declaration of Independence meant. It means all that the Constitution of our people, organizing for justice, for liberty, and for happiness, meant. Under this banner rode Washington and his armies....It waved on the highlands at West Point.....This banner streamed in light over the soldiers' heads at Valley Forge....It crossed the waters rolling with ice at Trenton.... Our flag carries American ideas, American history, and American feelings. Beginning with the colonies, and coming down to our time, in its scared heraldry, in it glorious insigna, it has gathered and stored chiefly this supreme idea: Divine right of liberty in man. Every color means liberty. Every thread means liberty. Every form of star and beam or stripe of light means liberty. Not lawlessness, not license, but organized, institutional liberty-liberty through law, and laws for liberty. The American flag was the safeguard of liberty. Not an atom of crown was allowed to go into its insigna. Not a symbol of authority in the ruler was permitted to go into it. It was an ordiance of liberty by the people, for the people. That it meant, that it means, and, by blessing of God, that it shall mean to the end of time.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 29 10:13:43 Red Skelton and The Pledge of Allegiance. http://www...iOnI&feature=player_embedded#!
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 29 10:14:22 If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader. ~ John Quincy Adams
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 10:30:14 lmfao now hes started fucking quote threads in the sports forum...just to try to annoy people...
NeverWoods Member	Wed Dec 29 11:07:44 Need attention more? My last post in HR's quote topics.
river of blood Member	Wed Dec 29 12:20:35 "It means all that the Constitution of our people, organizing for justice, for liberty, and for happiness, meant." Which means the right not to recite the pledge, stand at attention with your hand over your heart and all that gay shit. But I'm sure hot rod probably thinks everyone should be forced at gun point to pledge allegiance to the flag since he has such a poor understanding of what freedom means.
Rugian Member	Wed Dec 29 12:55:21 The Pledge of Allegiance was created more than 100 years after the creation of America, as part of a marketing pitch to sell American flags to schools. Not to mention the whole travesty of the "Under God" addition. I will never recite the Pledge again for the remainder of my life, and if (God forbid) I have any children, I will encourage them to not recite it as well.
Dakyron Member	Wed Dec 29 13:00:47 As an adult, forcing kids to recite the pledge of allegiance is a little mortifying. I wont tell my kids not to recite it, just to save them the pain of public exposure, but I will defend them forever if they choose to not recite it themselves.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Dec 30 00:47:32 Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. ~ Will Rogers
Paramount Member	Thu Dec 30 07:33:14 "The court today stated two clear and unequivocal messages about the equality of all before the law and about a woman's right concerning her own body. This is a sad day for the state of Israel and its residents" - Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
Milton bradley Member	Thu Dec 30 07:44:19 I suck baby cocks - hot rod
Hot Rod Member	Thu Dec 30 09:03:27 If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last. ~Ronald Reagan
Hot Rod Member	Thu Dec 30 20:57:13 Each nation feels superior to other nations. That breeds patriotism - and wars. ~ Dale Carnegie
milton bradley Member	Fri Dec 31 05:53:20 the OP is of course a lie. What happened was that jergul deleted 2 spam quote threads so HR immediately reposted this thread and a spam quote Thread at Sports in the hope that sam would delete that too so he could throw another pre-teen girlie tantrum
Hot Rod Member	Sat Jan 01 07:15:06 A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him. ~ Winston Churchill
milton bradley Member	Sat Jan 01 07:34:25 plAsE kiLl mE - Lil Davey
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jan 02 08:14:09 Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. ~ John F. Kennedy
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sun Jan 02 08:46:55 'That is the nature of those who do not believe in Free Speech. ' So the fact that they are exercising their freedom of speech means they do not believe in it?
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jan 02 09:12:42 Cthulhu, do you honestly think that your free speech allows you the right to deny my free speech? Speech is not free unless everyone has the equal right to exercise it. Some of the most gratifying moments I have received from these threads was when Rugian posted quotes that said the exact opposite of the quotes I had just posted. That, or opening another thread for discussion, is the proper way to oppose a viewpoint you disagree with. The purpose of my threads are to teach others my POV. Of course you have a right to think differently, but flaming and spamming my threads amounts to standing next to me and screaming insults as I am trying to say my piece. Show a little pride in yourselves folks. Oppose my POV, but don't shout me down. When you do, you deny my right to freedom of speech.
milton bradley Member	Sun Jan 02 10:47:25 ^ The hypocrisy is stifling
ehcks Member	Sun Jan 02 10:49:52 You don't have free speech on an internet forum that you do not own. If you go too far outside the bounds, as you have, you get posts deleted, and there's nothing you can do about it. Free speech doesn't apply to this place.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jan 02 12:33:19 ehcks - You don't have free speech on an internet forum that you do not own. Yes we don't.
Canadian Member	Sun Jan 02 12:45:43 This is an interesting study in human nature, but one that continues the idea of whether or not one can teach an old dog new tricks.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Jan 03 07:04:26 "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first." ~ ~ Thomas Jefferson
milton bradley Member	Mon Jan 03 08:28:18 I am the biggest liar ever to post at UP and I am proud of this one achievment in my life - Hot Rod
Hot Rod Member	Tue Jan 04 07:24:51 Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. ~ George Washington
Hot Rod Member	Wed Jan 05 08:37:58 Today, if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. ~Ronald Reagan
Paramount Member	Wed Jan 05 08:47:01 You shall suck the milk of nations, you shall suck the breast of kings; and you shall know that I, the LORD, am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob. Isaiah 60:16
milton bradley Member	Wed Jan 05 16:10:38 "a real Socialist is one who wishes â?? not merely conceives it as desirable, but actively wishes â?? to see tyranny overthrown. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it." ~ George Orwell
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Wed Jan 05 21:19:54 'Cthulhu, do you honestly think that your free speech allows you the right to deny my free speech? Speech is not free unless everyone has the equal right to exercise it. ' I'm not the one spamming your threads anyways. I just like to point out the hypocrisy of you stating that your freedom of speech has been violated as an excuse to violate someone elses freedom of speech. Either speech is free or it's not. You can't have it both ways.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Jan 05 21:28:57 So, trying to protect my Freedom of Speech is violating he Free Speech of the spammer? Are you sure you want to go with that logic? I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ~ Voltaire
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Wed Jan 05 21:52:07 If you understood that saying, you would understand that not only do you have the right to say whatever you want, but the spammer also has the right to say whatever he wants. What you are asking for is selective freedom of speech.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Jan 05 22:05:04 No, what Voltaire is saying is that no one has a right to deny *your* freedom of speech and that is what the spammer is doing. By spamming he is making the threads unreadable and that means some folks will probably not read my message because they don't want to wade through the spam to find it. If the spammer cared about freedom of speech he would post a counter quote by someone rather than post smut and spam or he would open a new thread to discuss what I am posting. He certainly has every right to not open my threads.
ehcks Member	Wed Jan 05 22:54:33 The spammer isn't preventing you from typing, or us from reading what you've typed.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Jan 05 23:34:42 "By spamming he is making the threads unreadable and that means some folks will probably not read my message because they don't want to wade through the spam to find it."
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 06 06:54:16 Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can. ~ Samuel Adams
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Jan 06 07:50:50 Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can. ~ Samuel Adams butbutbut it was just a few hours ago you said there are no rights without the right to own property, so this is quote is incorrect according to you. idiot
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 06 08:03:21 That is what I consider the fundamental purpose of this thread, we can all learn from it. Even me.
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Jan 06 08:08:47 Liar. The purpose of your never ending threads are either to spam them yourself to garner sympathy through fraud or to war a childish private battle with the spammer (if he's hypothetically not you)
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 06 09:48:43 "We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power.. the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.â?? ~ Patrick Henry
ehcks Member	Thu Jan 06 12:36:02 "By spamming he is making the threads unreadable" Maybe if you visit this site on a phone, or without a horizontal scrollbar.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 06 13:25:01 You are right, I should have said *very difficult to read*.
milton bradley Member	Thu Jan 06 13:33:45 I'd rather read the spam than hotrods monstrous hypocrisy in posting quote after fucking quote that represent the opposite of what he demonstratives he actually believes in, day after day. Its like a loooong fucking thread with hotrod boasting about how much he believes in libertarianism when everybody here knows he's completely, genocidically authoritarian
Rugian Member	Thu Jan 06 16:25:12 "During the assault many soldiers, according to the immutable law, must fall. But bear in mind that it is written: He who falls fighting for the faith will enter directly into Paradise. They who survive after the conquest of the city will for life receive double pay. If the city is taken, you will have licence to pillage it for three days. All its wealth, its silver, gold, silk, cloth, and women, all will be yours; only the buildings and the walls will be reserved for the Sultan." -Manifest distrubted to the Turkish soldiers outside Constantinople, May 28, 1453
Hot Rod Member	Fri Jan 07 05:14:08 Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can? ~ Sun Tzu
Hot Rod Member	Sat Jan 08 06:01:31 "Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light." ~ George Washington
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jan 09 07:26:20 A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. ~ Dwight D. Eisenhower
Hot Rod Member	Mon Jan 10 06:58:51 Gun bans disarm victims, putting them at the mercy of murderers or terrorists who think nothing of breaking the gun laws. ~ Michael Badnarik
Hot Rod Member	Mon Jan 10 09:10:40 "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." ~ Thomas Jefferson Sorry for posting two, but they are closely related and are from two different eras of history.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Jan 11 04:55:03 Eisenhower is my choice as the American of the 20th Century. Of all the men I've studied and written about, he is the brightest and the best. ~ Stephen Ambrose
Hot Rod Member	Wed Jan 12 07:24:01 "We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions." ~ Ronald Reagan
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Jan 12 19:00:27 fuck hes been doing this quotes spam shit for years http://hos...sp?thread=1022066&spec=6680416
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Jan 12 19:01:27 i enjoy 'em.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 13 06:16:46 The disappearance of a sense of responsibility is the most far-reaching consequence of submission to authority. ~ Stanley Milgram
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Jan 13 07:54:28 I know I shouldnt bother asking, but why are you posting quotes of which half of them are in direct contradiction with your own beliefs?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 13 07:56:51 Correct, you shouldn't bother.
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Jan 13 07:58:19 I knew it. Its what youre famous for lol
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 13 08:01:38 You are trolling. You may think I am contradicting myself, but that is your short suit.
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Jan 13 08:05:06 No, its your hypocrisy. I actually was wondering whether you were purposefully posting quotes you dont support for purposes of debate, but that was having a little too high expectations of you, low though I try to keep them lol
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 13 08:08:40 Care to post a tr... Err an example?
Hot Rod Member	Fri Jan 14 05:37:13 Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
Hot Rod Member	Fri Jan 14 05:43:41 I knew it was you milton bradley.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Jan 15 06:56:30 "Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions." ~ James Madison
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jan 16 14:22:28 â??There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.â?? ~ President Ronald Reagan
Hot Rod Member	Mon Jan 17 07:41:19 The ultimate meaure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. ~ Martin Luthur King, Jr (Strength to Love, 1963)
Hot Rod Member	Tue Jan 18 03:19:12 After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. ~ Calvin Coolidge
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Jan 18 03:26:43 "We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.â?? ~ President Ronald Reagan " Like what? Selling missiles to Iran ayatollahs?
Hot Rod Member	Wed Jan 19 07:35:36 "Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry." ~ Thomas Jefferson
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jan 19 08:28:15 Is it legal for a citizen to own a nuclear submarine, for example?
Rugian Member	Wed Jan 19 08:41:01 CrownRoyal Member Wed Jan 19 08:28:15 Is it legal for a citizen to own a nuclear submarine, for example? Not sure. The price tag alone probably ensures that virtually no citizen will ever own one though.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Jan 19 08:54:24 Submarine, probably. Nuclear missiles, doubtful.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jan 19 10:00:55 So, this is tyranny?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 20 04:33:36 "...when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing...you may know that your society is doomed." ~ Ayn Rand
gravitas Member	Thu Jan 20 05:02:38 Im not too familiar with her writings, but from what i do know she was genius.
Hot Rod Member	Fri Jan 21 03:51:51 "An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens." ~ ~ Thomas Jefferson
Hot Rod Member	Sat Jan 22 09:37:01 He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man. ~ Samuel Adams
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jan 23 01:48:22 "If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except for the State." ~ Harry S. Truman
Hot Rod Member	Mon Jan 24 03:28:47 Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism. ~ Barry Goldwater
so what Member	Mon Jan 24 04:30:16 â??How can a president not be an actor?" Ronald Reagan
Hot Rod Member	Tue Jan 25 03:33:07 "Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory" ~ General George S. Patton
Honest Politician Member	Tue Jan 25 04:33:30 "You misunderestimate me." ~ G. W. Bush Jr.
so what Member	Tue Jan 25 16:11:49 "I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself." Ronald Reagan
Hot Rod Member	Wed Jan 26 05:45:44 If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand ~ Milton Friedman
so what Member	Wed Jan 26 08:04:54 ''We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.'' â??Ann Coulter
Rugian Member	Wed Jan 26 09:56:41 "Finally, Mr. Roosevelt demands the readiness to give him an assurance that the German fighting forces will not attack the territory or possessions of the following independent nations and, above all, that they will not march into them. And he goes on to name the following as the countries in question: Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Esthonia, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Great Britain, Ireland, France, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, Hungary, Roumania, Yugoslavia, Russia, Bulgaria, Turkey, Iraq, Arabia, Syria, Palestine, Egypt and Iran. A. I started off by taking the trouble to find out in the case of the countries listed, firstly, whether they feel themselves threatened, and secondly and particularly, whether this question Mr. Roosevelt has asked us was put as the result of a demarche by them or at least with their consent. The answer was a general negative, which in some cases took the form of a blunt rejection. Actually this counter-question of mine could not be conveyed to some of the States and nations listed, since they are not at present in possession of their liberty (as for instance Syria), but are occupied by the military forces of democratic States, and therefore, deprived of all their rights." -Adolf Hitler in a speech to the Reichstag, early 1939
Hot Rod Member	Thu Jan 27 05:33:10 "...but sound principles will not justify our taxing the industry of our fellow citizens to accumulate treasure for wars to happen we know not when, and which might not, perhaps, happen but from the temptations offered by that treasure." ~ Thomas Jefferson (First Annual Message to Congress, December 8, 1801)
so what Member	Thu Jan 27 12:44:49 Bring'em on! George W Bush
Hot Rod Member	Fri Jan 28 03:34:21 Once I said, “This is a wonderful time to be alive.” And I meant that. I meant that we’re lucky not to live in pale and timid times. We’ve been bless with the opportunity to stand for something. We have good reason to be hopeful and optimistic. We’ve made much progress already. So, let us go forth with good cheer and stout hearts – happy warriors out to seize back a country and a world to freedom.” ~ Ronald Regan
Milton Bradley Member	Fri Jan 28 03:36:33 The stupider lies you tell your congregation, the more they will suck 'em up and the richer you will get - Ayatollah Beck
Milton Bradley Member	Fri Jan 28 03:38:13 "Education is dangerous - Every educated person is a future enemy" - Palin
Hot Rod Member	Sat Jan 29 03:24:04 If history could teach us anything, it would be that private property is inextricably linked with civilization. ~ Ludwig von Mises
Milton Bradley Member	Sat Jan 29 03:29:49 "We know he's out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda organization." ~ Dick Cheney
Milton Bradley Member	Sat Jan 29 03:38:35 VICE PRES. CHENEY: from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. MR. RUSSERT: If your analysis is not correct, and weâ??re not treated as liberators, but as conquerors, and the Iraqis begin to resist, particularly in Baghdad, do you think the American people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle with significant American casualties? VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I donâ??t think itâ??s likely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators. MR. RUSSERT: The armyâ??s top general said that we would have to have several hundred thousand troops there for several years in order to maintain stability. VICE PRES. CHENEY: I disagree. We need, obviously, a large force and weâ??ve deployed a large force. To prevail, from a military standpoint, to achieve our objectives, we will need a significant presence there until such time as we can turn things over to the Iraqis themselves. But to suggest that we need several hundred thousand troops there after military operations cease, after the conflict ends, I donâ??t think is accurate. I think thatâ??s an overstatement.
so what Member	Sat Jan 29 10:00:52 "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Reagan
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jan 30 02:06:34 I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That "all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people." [10th Amendment] To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specifically drawn around the powers of Congress is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition. ~ Thomas Jefferson: National Bank Opinion, 1791.
Hot Muslim Rod Member	Sun Jan 30 07:01:52 I can't say it outright on Fox, but the truth is I would like to sit on a school roof shooting fags, foreigners and people that aren't millionaires - Glenn Beck
Hot Rod Member	Mon Jan 31 08:14:45 A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellowman, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. ~ G. Gordon Liddy
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jan 31 08:19:13 G. Gordon Liddy (1930 - ) "A former Treasury and FBI agent, Liddy fell in with the group that became known as the Plumbers and took part in the burglary of the office of Dr. Lewis Fielding, Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist. As the 1972 election drew near, Liddy became legal counsel to the CRP and proposed a plan to its management, code-named "Gemstone." By use of kidnapping, burglary, electronic surveillance, and the use of prostitutes, intelligence could be gleaned on political opponents. John Mitchell, director of CRP, balked at the plan's extravagance and its high million-dollar price tag and ordered it scaled back. One part that survived the trimming was a break-in at the DNC headquarters in the Watergate complex. Liddy and E. Howard Hunt oversaw the operation and were arrested along with those who actually broke into the office. Eventually, Liddy stood trial for that offense, for conspiracy in the Fielding case, and for refusing to testify before the Watergate Committee. The courts handed him a stiff fine, and he served about 4 and a half years in prison, the most of any of the conspirators." What a guy.
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Jan 31 10:36:40 AND JUST EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS DOING IN THE POLITICAL FORUM? AS SOON AS I DELETE IT TAKE IT BACK TO SPORTS WHERE IT BELONGS. - hot tod
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Jan 31 10:42:03 I'm not a cretin - hot tod lol...
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