Utopia Talk / Politics / Star Wars

Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 09:07:39 I never understood the hype around SW. A load of sesame, streetesque puppets that look like The Muppets Go Sci-Fi. It cant be that. It cant be something like this whole fascinating, fictional world either, I mean, Tolkien did that decades before SW and far more advanced at that. As far as I can see, its a very standard and unoriginal love story with a little bit of Sci-Fi adapted car chases and background setting. So whats the hype about?
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 09:10:24 The story is very classic and cliché, yes, like most stories out there. But the art is to bring it very well, which the original trilogy did with verve. And back then the special effects were top notch, of course.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 09:15:39 Sucks when you can't use adofl hitler any more huh? Dont bother answering, your OT hijacking flame spam is ignored.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 09:18:21 I cant see how it was brought together very well. I was watching a few re-runs during xmas and they bored me to tears. And the puppets...none of them look like exciting Aliens or anything else titillating, I was bemused to see how they all actually look like Jim Henson made them. If I knew nothing about SW beforehand, I would have guessed their target audience is kids around the age of 10.
The Children Member	Wed Dec 29 09:21:11 It was good back then. You have to watch it during the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. If you watch it now, ya there are a lot of other movies that have surpassed it. And it doesnt help that the later 3 movies are BS kiddie CGI crap.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 09:21:41 And Im hardly the only one who thinks they look like sesame street: Despite assumptions to the contrary, Jim Henson's Creature Shop was not responsible for any of the non-human characters in the Star Wars series Jim Henson and his team, regardless were consultants for the Yoda puppets (and Frank Oz - one of the original Muppeteers - performed it) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Henson%27s_Creature_Shop
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 09:32:59 Yoda is a muppet (but a cool one) and the ewoks are kind of rediculous. That's about it for muppet-like puppets though iirc. But the original movies were done very well. All the charachters are spot on. Darth Vader is still a symbol for evil incarnate, Luke is a real loser kid that makes it big for audiences to connect to, Leia is the tough, yet feminine, leader princess (in a time when the feminist movement was booming), Han Solo as the scoundrel (as he himself so aptly puts it) turning good guy, Obi-Wan is just expertly performed by an extremely sympathetic Alec Guinness,... It's a classic story, bringing something new in its time special effects wise with, once again especially when seen in its timeframe, very engaging charachters.
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 09:33:44 Don't be a baby HR... Star Wars is always on topic on the internet.
freaky boy Member	Wed Dec 29 09:43:25 if you didnt get into it, you were probably too old when it came out, but if you were under 10 the first time you saw it, you'd love it like the rest of us.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 29 09:48:15 Nekran, Political Quotes are always on topic in a political forum, but he disrupts every thread I start on Political Quotes. Here he is in direct violation of forum rules by not labeling this thread 'OT', not to mention it belongs in the Movie Forum and not the Political Forum. He is only posting this to get a reaction from me, I am obliging him so his putrid existence will have a modicum of validation. Surely you believe everyone should follow the rules, especially when it is as simple as adding 'OT' to the thread title. Don't you?
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 09:50:19 'He is only posting this to get a reaction from me' LMAO @ hotturds huge paranoid ego...wow
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 29 09:51:11 freaky boy, I am quite sure that I have seen Episode 4 more often than anyone on this forum, I think it is fantastic. Does not change the fact that this thread violates forum rules. Does it?
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 09:53:17 Actually, the reruns I saw were not the dated ones from the 80's, which I could have understood them belonging to a different era, but the modern ones. I found them really childish.
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 09:54:28 The modern ones plain suck and leeched off the succes of the old ones.
Dakyron Member	Wed Dec 29 09:56:19 Episodes I, II, and III never happened as far as Im concerned. The first three movies are timeless classics. Anything else said about them is just blasphemy.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 29 09:56:35 Nekran, you never answered my question.
Dakyron Member	Wed Dec 29 09:57:10 Hot Rod, STFU.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 09:57:12 Maybe I need to go check the old ones to get what this is about. I never got into them as a kid either though.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 29 09:59:45 Dakron, grow up.
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 10:01:47 I hadn't seen it. But no... rules are made to aid us, not to rule us. Sure it should've had OT in front of it, but the thread title is clear enough and in case you were thinking of the missile defense program, the first two sentences would've corrected your mistake. There's no need for the thread to be deleted. And as I said before, it's an internet rule that Star Wars is always on topic.
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 10:03:16 "Maybe I need to go check the old ones to get what this is about. I never got into them as a kid either though." While that is a disadvantage, I think you still have a good shot to enjoy them... timeless classics, as Daky said.
NeverWoods Member	Wed Dec 29 10:04:24 "Episodes I, II, and III never happened as far as Im concerned." Never happened, gorge lucas has been dead for a while now.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 10:05:42 Why the disadvantage? There are lots of old movies that haven't become dated, despite the technology used in them looking really old these days.
Michael Palin Member	Wed Dec 29 10:06:43 and somehow hot rod can't understand why he has such a bad rep...
NeverWoods Member	Wed Dec 29 10:09:19 I had the original ones not the directors cut/ special editions ones.. They are very hard to find now days, even lucasfilm does not have them any longer... there are like tons of starwars versions now days.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 29 10:09:42 Nekran - But no... rules are made to aid us, not to rule us. There's no need for the thread to be deleted. Then let me ask you this, is there a *NEED* for MB to destroy every one of the legitimate threads I make about Political Quotes? I bring up a legitimate complaint about his violating forum rules and you guys get on my case about it, while you give him a by for destroying perfectly legitimate threads. Just what does that say about your integrity and your sense of fair play? Do you want to answer that, or shall I?
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 10:10:45 The disadvantage is about not seeing it as a kid first... I don't think the movies are badly dated at all. But as a kid you just get immersed into a good story much more easily.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 10:10:47 What quote threads?
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 10:11:57 "The disadvantage is about not seeing it as a kid first" I did see them as a kid though...just didnt get interested in them then. Now as an adult, I was curious to see what all the hype was that I didnt get back then.
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 10:13:46 "Then let me ask you this, is there a *NEED* for MB to destroy every one of the legitimate threads I make about Political Quotes?" No. "while you give him a by for destroying perfectly legitimate threads." I never participate in those threads, so I've obviously never felt a need to interfere in whatever goes on in them. "Just what does that say about your integrity and your sense of fair play?" Nothing at all.
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 10:15:15 "I did see them as a kid though...just didnt get interested in them then. Now as an adult, I was curious to see what all the hype was that I didnt get back then." Surprising... well I'd say try it and let us know what you thought. Reading that you didn't get into them as a kid makes me think you'd have an even harder time getting into them now though.
Average European Member	Wed Dec 29 10:15:49 The puppets own the shit out the shitty CGI.
Nekran Member	Wed Dec 29 10:16:57 True that... Yoda should've remained a puppet apart from the combat scene. Puppets are way more real.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Dec 29 10:18:45 is HR throwing another hissy fit?
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 10:20:00 Apparently.
mexicantornado Member	Wed Dec 29 13:15:45 yoda should never have been in a combat scene. The prequels are horrible on every level.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Dec 29 13:54:39 ewoks defeating imperial troops was fucking homosexual
jergul Member	Wed Dec 29 14:01:31 Its like mudhutters forcing US military withdrawal from like Vietnam or something.
Milton bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 14:25:38 mextard actually said something correct. That cute lil teddy bear puppet yoda in what is apparently supposed to be an exciting fight scene was like a joke.
Madc0w Member	Wed Dec 29 14:38:40 I liked Star Wars when I was really young, but I can't see the big deal about it now. Seems cheesy.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 29 14:42:57 May the force be with you jedi madc0w. Don't forget the jedi way even when you grow up. Be like peter pan and forever believe
Sam Adams Member	Wed Dec 29 14:53:50 like mudhutters forcing the russians out of afganistan even though the russians had no internal descent
Rugian Member	Wed Dec 29 15:08:56 "An entire legion of my BEST troops awaits them." Lucas really fucked up by including that word in there.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Dec 29 15:23:20 ya, movies where stone age people defeat interstellar species have homo plots. good graphics though.
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Wed Dec 29 16:45:03 only HR could ruin such a great topic.
Dakyron Member	Wed Dec 29 17:30:52 Return of the Jedi was the worst of the three. Its entertaining in the same way that Avatar is entertaining. You enjoy the spectacle while turning off your brain.
MrPresident07 Member	Wed Dec 29 17:31:12 I liked all the movies.
Rugian Member	Wed Dec 29 17:32:15 Define "all."
mexicantornado Member	Wed Dec 29 18:07:48 it was originally supposed to be wookies instead of ewoks but lucas thought he could make more money with ewoks. fucker.
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Dec 29 18:20:56 Wookies would have been epic.
mexicantornado Member	Wed Dec 29 18:22:26 you sure? they did it in revenge of the sith and it was super shitty.
mexicantornado Member	Wed Dec 29 18:24:25 its crazy how 26 years before yoda dies a hermit's life on degobath the little guy was able to do somersaults and backflips with his tiny little light saber because every jedi has to have a light saber even though yoda teaches luke in the 2nd film our irrelevant physical power is. Ah fuck, now i am angry.
mexicantornado Member	Wed Dec 29 18:25:48 its also crazy how much obi wan aged in 20 years, he went from 40ish ewan mcgregor to 80ish alec guinness.
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Dec 29 18:27:24 Yeah, I dunno about other mods, but I'm not going to be deleting a Star Wars thread. Star Wars is always on-topic. >>you sure? they did it in revenge of the sith and it was super shitty. << Compare them with Ewoks. I mean, seriously. Ewoks. Three foot tall teddy bears with spears. I mean... Fucking Ewoks.
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Wed Dec 29 19:09:39 "you sure? they did it in revenge of the sith and it was super shitty." yeah, because the pre-trilogy was a shitty series. I think wookies in return of the jedi could have worked very well.
Atma01 Member	Wed Dec 29 19:19:00 I always found that the obsession with the original trilogy was that you saw it when you were young. The fancy gizmos and cool star ships drew you in. It was less about the story and more about all that cool stuff. Once you get older you have seen more and more cool sci-fi stuff so you actually start to pay attention to the story. Then it is sort of WTF. The thing that made SW what it was, was the Expanded Universe which Lucas took a huge dump on. The smarter move would have been not to do the prequel trilogy, and instead do the Thrawn trilogy. The only problem being not a lot of lightsaber fights from memory. But then again it has Thrawn, so who gives a shit.
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Dec 29 19:26:01 The universe was epic. Particularly the X-Wing series.
Rugian Member	Wed Dec 29 20:13:52 The problem with turning Thrawn trilogy into a movie series is that all the principal characters from the original trilogy are in the Thrawn books. Which, given from what we've seen from in Eps I-III, would mean horribly rendered CGI attempts at 1970s Mark Hamills and Carrie Fischers.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Wed Dec 29 21:46:55 'RULES VIOLATION: "Please label ALL off topic threads as "OT"..." PLEASE DELETE.' You really have nothing better to do than cry about a thread that is clearly active to be deleted simply becayse it's not listed as ot?
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Wed Dec 29 22:00:52 Also, I will readily admit that I was under the age of 12 when I first saw the original star wars. I have avoided watching it as an adult to not destroy my childhood memeories. It would probably be as bad as when a buddy of mine got me to watch an episode of the original ninja turtles when I was eighteen. I still regret not killing him for that.
MrPresident07 Member	Thu Dec 30 03:44:56 You know Rugian, 1-6.
Atma01 Member	Thu Dec 30 04:13:31 Yeah that was the one thing that was holding back a movie for the Thrawn trilogy. Everyone is old. That being said I could live with a re-cast if it meant Thrawn. Or just Anime. Cheap as shit. And Lucas could secure a general release at the theaters. Either way, Thrawn. And Cthulhu, I feel your pain. Nostalgia is nostalgia for a reason.
Nekran Member	Thu Dec 30 11:40:26 I still like to watch the original Star Wars movies... maybe I can still enjoy the nostalgia because I've watched them regularly throughout my life. All the cheesiness is easily forgiven by the nostalgic eye... in fact I find being able to see all the faults now is an extra layer of enjoyment.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Dec 30 11:55:34 i still like the originals... special edition has some very bad decisions though (having greedo shoot first was about as criminal as Highlander 2... & i didn't care for some of the cgi-muppetty characters added to Jabba's Palace)
Dakyron Member	Thu Dec 30 12:03:51 The Thrawn trilogy would make for terrible movies. Better off just using the same universe, but with a completely new storyline. Could make a never ending series of movies with the same universe, but with different stories and actors.
Dakyron Member	Thu Dec 30 12:04:37 And of course George Lucas is banned from the set, screenplay, or anything else related to the movie. In fact, he cant even be interviewed about it.
mexicantornado Member	Thu Dec 30 12:25:29 wtf are you talking about? Thrawn is in that universe. Definitely would have made for an awesome trilogy. Still can be, just recast the principled characters with unknowns and don't rely on CGI backgrounds/characters/ships/sets/every fucking thing. Obviously we will need to wait for Lucas to die before something good like that happens.
Dakyron Member	Thu Dec 30 12:47:32 No. Any storyline involving the original characters would suck. And yes, Tardo, I know that Thrawn is set in that universe. It would still suck.
mexicantornado Member	Thu Dec 30 12:51:26 Which is why you said for them to stay in the same universe? lol dak you contradict yourself a lot. And why would any storyline involving the original characters suck? The only actor who "made" the character was Ford and he can be replaced with an unknown guy with some charisma.
Nekran Member	Thu Dec 30 12:57:37 "The only actor who "made" the character was Ford" Dude... Mark Hamill IS Luke Skywalker!
Dakyron Member	Thu Dec 30 12:59:07 "Which is why you said for them to stay in the same universe? lol dak you contradict yourself a lot. " Damnit tardo, how stupid are you? Same universe, different characters. I said that twice in two paragraphs and yet you missed it. We are talking about an entire universe you dumbshit. There are an infinite number of characters and storylines that do not involve Han Solo, Leia Organa, Luke Skywalker, or Chewbacca. "And why would any storyline involving the original characters suck? " Because you would have to use different actors, and then either invent some ridiculously shitty story(see Episode I) to integrate them into your plot or just rearrange events that already happened(see Episode I, II, and III). Either way, it would suck. "The only actor who "made" the character was Ford and he can be replaced with an unknown guy with some charisma. " Yep, I'm sure Freddie Prinze Jr or Ryan Renolds or whatever idiot they cast will do just as good of a job. So what exactly is with your reluctance to come up with an original story?
mexicantornado Member	Thu Dec 30 14:12:40 wow dakyron, there honestly isn't a word to accurately describe how fucking retarded you are. I'll actually spend the time and break down your fucking idiotic ramblings which is a rare thing for me to do. "Yep, I'm sure Freddie Prinze Jr or Ryan Renolds or whatever idiot they cast will do just as good of a job. " Are either of these actors unknowns? That is what I wrote numerous times. Yet you seem to be arguing with yourself, why? I have no idea, I am not dumb enough to understand why you would make up an argument to argue against. the success of the first star wars, of just about any major franchise, is to hire unknown actors that the public can see as those characters. As the actors in the original star wars haven't played those roles in nearly 30 years it is fair to say hiring new actors to fill in their shoes would be acceptable to most audiences. "So what exactly is with your reluctance to come up with an original story? " What the fuck do you think the prequels are? Those are original stories used to work with the starting trilogy. Thrawn is an original story that departs significantly from the original trilogy and has great new characters, story-lines and elements. "Because you would have to use different actors, and then either invent some ridiculously shitty story(see Episode I) to integrate them into your plot or just rearrange events that already happened(see Episode I, II, and III). " I am beginning to suspect you have no idea what the Thrawn trilogy is. Which is what I am arguing to be adapted into a film trilogy. Yet you seem to think the original character's arent connected to that book trilogy. Do you not know what the Thrawn trilogy is? "Same universe, different characters. I said that twice in two paragraphs and yet you missed it. " No, you wrote: "The Thrawn trilogy would make for terrible movies. Better off just using the same universe, but with a completely new storyline." Which heavily implies you think the Thrawn story-line is both unoriginal and not part of the accepted star wars universe. "There are an infinite number of characters and storylines that do not involve Han Solo, Leia Organa, Luke Skywalker, or Chewbacca. " Yes, most involve their children which fucking suck or are about C3po and R2d2 in shitty droid rebellion story-lines. Dakyron, please stop talking, you clearly are out of your depth here.
Dakyron Member	Thu Dec 30 14:38:40 "What the fuck do you think the prequels are? Those are original stories used to work with the starting trilogy. Thrawn is an original story that departs significantly from the original trilogy and has great new characters, story-lines and elements. " They were not prequels. Unless you think they arbitrarily started at episode 4, then obviously the story was already written, and they just chose to use episode 4 because it had the best chance of being a success. Let me ask you this, tardo. When does the Thrawn trilogy take place? "I am beginning to suspect you have no idea what the Thrawn trilogy is. Which is what I am arguing to be adapted into a film trilogy. Yet you seem to think the original character's arent connected to that book trilogy. Do you not know what the Thrawn trilogy is? " My god, your idiocy knows no bounds. I object to the thrawn trilogy BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS ARE CONNECTED TO IT. If they were not connected to it, I wouldnt mind seeing it become a movie. What did I say at any time that made you think I *wanted* the original characters in any future star wars movies? Are you literate? Can you read english above a 3rd grade level? "Which heavily implies you think the Thrawn story-line is both unoriginal and not part of the accepted star wars universe. " No, it does not. It quite obviously implies that I would prefer a new story NOT CONNECTED TO THE ORIGINAL MOVIES. I dont understand where you are getting your retarded ideas from. Just read what I write, ponder it until it makes sense, and then respond. Perhaps someone more intelligent can read it to you and explain what it means? Is there someone around you that can do that? Like a librarian or roommate or something? "Yes, most involve their children which fucking suck or are about C3po and R2d2 in shitty droid rebellion story-lines. " Exactly. Which is why I want an *ORIGINAL STORY NOT INVOLVING THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS* because other it would suck. "Dakyron, please stop talking, you clearly are out of your depth here." You are clearly a product of the well respected southern California public education system.
Dakyron Member	Thu Dec 30 14:44:21 Its sad that I consider mTardo's questioning of my knowledge of Star Wars to be one of the more severe flames to be thrown my way here at UP.
mexicantornado Member	Thu Dec 30 14:51:58 "They were not prequels. Unless you think they arbitrarily started at episode 4, then obviously the story was already written, and they just chose to use episode 4 because it had the best chance of being a success. " the prequel storylines were not written before the original star wars were written. it is a common myth by morons that george lucas had the whole 6 movie storyline already written down, in fact he ended up writing most of it after Jedi which is why they are so horrible and make no logical sense. "When does the Thrawn trilogy take place? " 7 years after the endor battle or so. Why? "I object to the thrawn trilogy BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS ARE CONNECTED TO IT." Again, why? "If they were not connected to it, I wouldnt mind seeing it become a movie. " Articulate why them not being in it would make you want to see it. Because I don't think anyone here gives a shit what you want to see or not see. "It quite obviously implies that I would prefer a new story NOT CONNECTED TO THE ORIGINAL MOVIES. " No you dumbshit, when you say you want something in the same universe it implies you didn't know Thrawn was in the same universe. Seriously, why can't you admit you either misspoke or didn't know what you were talking about? It is pretty obvious you spoke from either stupidity or ignorance. "hich is why I want an *ORIGINAL STORY NOT INVOLVING THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS*" So you are acting like a child because you cannot explain why you want new characters in a new story. Why even make another star wars then? Seriously, you want something entirely different with entirely different characters. Why do you want it to be a star wars movie? and I repeat. "Dakyron, please stop talking, you clearly are out of your depth here" You seriously are a fucking moron.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Dec 30 14:54:08 Shia LaBeouf should play every role next one!
Dakyron Member	Thu Dec 30 17:03:05 "the prequel storylines were not written before the original star wars were written. it is a common myth by morons that george lucas had the whole 6 movie storyline already written down, in fact he ended up writing most of it after Jedi which is why they are so horrible and make no logical sense. " Poor, ignorant mTardo. Lucas didnt write the entire storylines or screenplays, but he had the ideas and timelines loosely framed. As I said, no one names something "Episode 4" if it is not intended to be the middle of something. "7 years after the endor battle or so. Why? " So all the main characters are 7 years removed from the last movie, yet will look, act, sound, and be completely different. "Again, why? " Because new actors playing familiar roles is never a good thing. Name one movie series where a role is taken over by a different actor midway through, and tell me that actor did a better job. The original movies did so well because of the characters and the setting. The plots themselves were simplistic and kind of stupid at times. "Articulate why them not being in it would make you want to see it. Because I don't think anyone here gives a shit what you want to see or not see. " I articulated quite clearly my objections. You were not able to understand my answers, so I had to resort to childish namecalling in the hopes that you would be able to comprehend *something* I said. "No you dumbshit, when you say you want something in the same universe it implies you didn't know Thrawn was in the same universe. Seriously, why can't you admit you either misspoke or didn't know what you were talking about? It is pretty obvious you spoke from either stupidity or ignorance. " I said "The Thrawn trilogy would make for terrible movies. Better off just using the same universe, but with a completely new storyline." In no conceivable way does that imply that the Thrawn trilogy is set in a different universe. "So you are acting like a child because you cannot explain why you want new characters in a new story. Why even make another star wars then? Seriously, you want something entirely different with entirely different characters. Why do you want it to be a star wars movie?" I explained exactly why. You were just too damn stupid to figure it out.
Nekran Member	Thu Dec 30 17:17:55 As I understand it there's a lot of good star wars stories set way before any of the events of the current movies take place, when sith were still in plentiful supply and such. Never read any of it, but I think those should have a lot of potential.
mexicantornado Member	Thu Dec 30 19:01:25 Actually no dakyron, you never explained why you want to see any more star wars movies. I have a clear reason: I want to see the Thrawn trilogy on the big screen. You don;t even have an idea of what you want. You just want something star wars related with nothing familiar in it but still in the same universe. Why don't you go over to star wars ranch and think of another way to ruin the franchise you cock smoker. "Name one movie series where a role is taken over by a different actor midway through, and tell me that actor did a better job. " It would be a different film series now wouldn't it, you moron. The first trilogy is 30 years old. Most people aren't attached to the actors who played the characters, with the exception of Ford. Seriously you have no idea to be so against something while proposing absolutely nothing in exchange just "something original in the same universe cuz i said so". Who the fuck would care if luke skywalker was played by some unknown dude from australia if it meant the return of fun star wars again? Dakyron apparently.
mexicantornado Member	Thu Dec 30 21:51:14 im sorry dak, star wars just pisses me off.
Dakyron Member	Thu Dec 30 22:26:32 Just the thought of Episode One can make any man angry.
Hrothgar Member	Thu Dec 30 22:32:10 I believe it was amazingly epic back when it was first made in the late 70s early 80s. Then that epicness set into the public conscious and carried it through the last 3 movies which were visually cool to some degree, but pieces of turd in the dialog department.
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Dec 30 22:37:16 The early ones were not too good either "he acts like that because he is a rogue!" how shit was that dialog.
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Dec 30 22:40:04 I remember some shit part where luke falls in a hole and vader is like "you dissapoint me you are weak" then he jumps out the hole and vader's opinion instantly changes. the acting was very wooden too.
Dakyron Member	Thu Dec 30 22:41:07 Impressive. Most impressive. Mark Hamil was definitely the weak link in those movies.
Atma01 Member	Thu Dec 30 23:00:44 But the Thrawn trilogy has Mara Jade. Why do you not want to see sexy red head force alignment confused killing machine? Also, Thrawn. And more than enough space battles to keep the CGI fans happy. If you wanted to go for a bad ass movie then they could do the first Crimson Empire comic. The only characters from the original trilogy that are in that are Wedge and Vader. And you have all the awesome of Red Guard kicking ass and taking names. Or, the Bounty Hunter trilogy. Boba Fett. Need I say more.
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 31 00:49:31 Part of the problem is converting the book into a movie script. As fascinating as it was to learn of Thrawn through the internal dialogue of Pellaeon in the books, it's going to be a lot harder to do that in a movie series.
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