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Hot Rod
Member Wed Nov 17 18:26:19

Napolitano May Exempt Muslims From Airport Pat-Downs

Last Updated: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 4:52pm

As the U.S. government retaliates against an American for refusing to allow airport security to grope his genitals, the nation’s Homeland Security secretary considers waving the intrusive “pat-downs” for Muslim women who consider them offensive.

The demand came last week from the politically-connected Muslim rights organization that serves as the U.S. front for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. Calling the searches “invasive” and “humiliating,” the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) advises Muslim women wearing religious head covers known as hijabs to reject full-body checks before boarding planes.

Those who are selected for the secondary screenings should remind Transportation Security Administration (TSA) officers that they are only supposed to pat down the head and neck and that they should not subject Muslim women to a full-body or partial body pat-down, according to CAIR’s advisory. It further says that, instead of a body search, Muslim women can request to check their own hijab and have officers perform a chemical swipe of their hands.

While Americans are forced to deal with the degrading searches, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is actually considering exempting Muslims as per CAIR’s demands. Madame Secretary confirmed this week that there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue of Muslim women in hijabs undergoing airport security pat-downs.

In the meantime her agency is targeting a San Diego man who received worldwide media coverage for refusing to let a TSA agent conduct a thorough body search that he felt amounted to a “sexual assault.” Referring to his genitals, the man told the TSA officer; “you touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested.”

The head of TSA in San Diego called a press conference this week to announce that the agency has launched an investigation into the 31-year-old software programmer who was not allowed to board the plane. The feds plan to prosecute and fine him thousands of dollars for making them look bad. Actually, the official charge is leaving the airport’s security area without permission, which is prohibited to prevent terrorism.

Speaking of, TSA’s lapses over the years have certainly left the country vulnerable to another terrorist attack. The agency in charge of securing the nation’s transportation system has approved background checks for illegal immigrants working in sensitive areas of a busy U.S. airport and has failed miserably to ensure the security of tens of thousands of cargo packages transported daily in the bellies of passenger planes.

Just last week a Massachusetts news station revealed that TSA cleared dozens of illegal immigrants to train as pilots in the U.S., despite “strict security controls” implemented after 9/11. Some of the illegal immigrants provided the station with official TSA documents approving pilot lessons through the agency’s alien flight student program. After the story broke, Homeland Security officials promised to “review the process” for clearing foreign nationals to become licensed pilots.

http://www...empt-muslims-airport-pat-downs

Hot Rod
Member Wed Nov 17 18:30:19

If they do this it is outrageous and if a female Muslim suicide bomber blows up a plane they should try Napolitano for murder.

yankeessuck123
Member Wed Nov 17 18:30:25
Evidence? This article provides none.

Hot Rod
Member Wed Nov 17 18:32:35

What part of the word 'May' is eluding you?

It is not a done deal, yet.

Forwyn
Member Wed Nov 17 18:35:33
The best I've found is "more to come".

http://www...-women-pat-downs-more-to-come/

I guarantee you there will be a shit storm if this goes through. It won't.

Hot Rod
Member Wed Nov 17 18:42:27

Mine is more current, not that that makes any difference.

But, I think if they are going to make it mandatory us men should have the option of have a gorgeous 23 year old blond girl do the pat down.

Forwyn
Member Wed Nov 17 18:45:54
The request was for evidence, and the reason I posted the link is because it contains an interview snippet with Napolitano.

yankeessuck123
Member Wed Nov 17 18:54:17
To say that it may, requires some sort of evidence. Otherwise it's outright bullshit.

Also, I think we all know this won't happen, if only for political reasons.

Aeros
Member Wed Nov 17 18:55:23
Shhh YS. Hot Rod is on a rage bender.

Hot Rod
Member Wed Nov 17 22:15:35

Aeros you stupid shit, why do you lie like that?

I put this thread up for discussion, not because I'm pissed off because they *MIGHT* do something.

Sure I will be pissed if they make it policy not to pat down Muslim women because the searches are â??invasiveâ?? and â??humiliating.â?? They are humiliating to everyone including Americans.

Muslim women deserve no special treatment.

miltonfriedman
Member Wed Nov 17 22:20:49
yet you think you do. why, pedo?

Hot Rod
Member Wed Nov 17 22:45:44

mf, I'm trying to decide something.

Who is the biggest piece of shit sociopath?

You, renzo or master bates?

I know you are all clinically insane, but which of you turds is farthest along?

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist Wed Nov 17 23:00:02
terrorist attacks result in death of talking monkeys, by default, that is a good thing.

Disclaimer
Member Wed Nov 17 23:13:33
hotrod is a known liar and a pedophile.

Sam Adams
Member Wed Nov 17 23:24:56
Napolitano is fucking retarded enough to think this is a good idea.

that fucking retard is the leader of all fucking retards. Palin looks like a fucking genious by comparison.

Milton Bradley
Member Wed Nov 17 23:25:19
Hot Liar claimed this in another thread. I debunked it with a link from the TSA claiming nobody will be excluded on religious grounds and that people are scanned or not allowed on the plane.

He then ignores the link and posts this.

Milton Bradley
Member Wed Nov 17 23:34:04
http://www...-not-mean-no-airport-screening

"The United States Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has said that airline passengers will not avoid body imaging screening or pat-downs based on their religious beliefs."

The TSA is a better source on this than a blog pedophile.

miltonfriedman
Member Wed Nov 17 23:58:03
"Who is the biggest piece of shit sociopath?"

"Hi guys, this is Hot Rod's brother. Hot Rod passed away last night."

The person who pulled this stunt is likely to be a pedophile and a disgusting human being on top of being a piece of shit sociopath.

roland
Member Thu Nov 18 01:05:18
I think I will create a blog and post TSA is considering hiring Hot Rod as an airport security officer.

roland
Member Thu Nov 18 01:06:08
^ Must be true since it is on the internet.

Goreth
Member Thu Nov 18 02:24:40
Waiving security checks for people on grounds of their personal superstition is batshit insane.

Planes are a high-value target for terrorists of all sorts, so you either waive your privacy rights for the duration of your travel or you do not fly. It is that simple.

Of course since it's a link from HR I doubt the story on general principles.
(Not that I consider that sort of crazy entirely impossible)

Also anyone who considers those searches humiliating is an idiot IMO. They do it to protect your ass as well.

mrbeer
Member Thu Nov 18 02:24:57
Apparently it's OK to post any outrageous bullshit and then start whining about how you said 'may' and that makes it OK.

Hellfire
Member Thu Nov 18 02:33:06
"Also anyone who considers those searches humiliating is an idiot IMO. They do it to protect your ass as well. "

You do realize they believe the scanners are unlikely to pick up another underwear bomb, even if they somehow managed to pick the right random guy for the scanner, right?

And how is some unknown person touching your genitals not a invasive?

This whole scheme is bullshit, nothing more than theatrics. They're counting on random luck to pick the right guy and then hoping that he is using something that will be picked up on the scanners.

It's nothing but a fucking theater. You want something actually effective? Go study what the Israelis do. You think those fuckers aren't threatened by terrorism? When is the last time an Israeli airplane got blown up or hijacked? You'll notice the Israelis aren't jumping to do the retarded BS the TSA is putting in place.

You know how effective the No Fly list is? Not.At.All. Anyone could easily forge a boarding pass with the retarded print-at-home systems they have and if they really want to get on a plane all they have to do is have someone else buy the ticket for them and switch the fake with a real boarding pass past the security.

It's all a giant fucking joke.

Goreth
Member Thu Nov 18 02:39:25
"And how is some unknown person touching your genitals not a invasive?"
It is, but if you have a problem with a neccesary security precaution, take a fucking bus. Seriously.

On an airport, privacy is an extremely expensive luxury for good reasons (You have your own plane or you have no privacy).

That airport security has more holes in it than swiss cheese is a problem on its own, but no reason to argue against being searched.

"You know how effective the No Fly list is?"
Yes. Where exactly did I say it wasn't retarded?

Milton Bradley
Member Thu Nov 18 02:40:41
*argue against having ones balls touched.

"Touch our balls to ensure we remain free!"

roland
Member Thu Nov 18 03:09:37
Where do you draw the line to ensure you are safe?

Goreth
Member Thu Nov 18 04:06:44
If it makes sense. Scanning my luggage and me for weapons and patting me down if the metal detector screams makes sense.
Anything too extreme I can think of would not be feasable either by being to much effort or putting too many people off flying altogether.

Something I'm against is the liquid ban, because AFAIK the plot that inspired it simply wouldn't have worked, or No Fly lists that seem to be compiled by complete idiots.

Hot Rod
Member Thu Nov 18 05:59:10

mrbeer, welcome to the ranks of the stupid.

First of all, I did not say 'may.' It is in the title of the article.

Secondly, the article Milton Bradley quotes is quoting the director of TSA. Napolitano is his boss. He may have made up his mind, but she can change it if she chooses.

Thirdly, there is plenty of misinformation and confusion coming out of Washington lately. i.e.: Last week Eric Holder said they were very close to a decision on where to hold the trial for the guy accused of masterminding 9/11, but not a whisper since. Then Obama's CoS said Obama was willing to negotiate on taxes for the rich, but Obama said that was wrong and that he would not negotiate from Korea.

Th moral of the story is if you are too stupid to keep up with current events then you should STFU.

Hellfire
Member Thu Nov 18 13:26:41
"That airport security has more holes in it than swiss cheese is a problem on its own, but no reason to argue against being searched. "

While I do agree that you don't just stop all together, you can't just hope on random luck to stop terrorists.

Also, the scanning that they're adding is unlikely to detect these underwear bombs:

http://www...nners-just-a-scam-1856175.html

"The explosive device smuggled in the clothing of the Detroit bomb suspect would not have been detected by body-scanners set to be introduced in British airports, an expert on the technology warned last night."

...

"ut Ben Wallace, the Conservative MP, who was formerly involved in a project by a leading British defence research firm to develop the scanners for airport use, said trials had shown that such low-density materials went undetected.

Tests by scientists in the team at Qinetiq, which Mr Wallace advised before he became an MP in 2005, showed the millimetre-wave scanners picked up shrapnel and heavy wax and metal, but plastic, chemicals and liquids were missed.

If a material is low density, such as powder, liquid or thin plastic â?? as well as the passenger's clothing â?? the millimetre waves pass through and the object is not shown on screen. High- density material such as metal knives, guns and dense plastic such as C4 explosive reflect the millimetre waves and leave an image of the object."

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I understand doing patdowns on people who have done something to warrant suspicion but it's not reasonable to have such invasive searches on people just hoping to get randomly lucky.

Which brings me to..

"It is, but if you have a problem with a neccesary security precaution, take a fucking bus. Seriously"

It's not a fucking necessary security precaution and there are real questions about the safety of the scanners. Hoping to get lucky picking random people isn't effective.

Hellfire
Member Thu Nov 18 13:41:55
Also:

"It is, but if you have a problem with a neccesary security precaution, take a fucking bus. Seriously."

Busses, especially for businesses and people flying abroad, are not a legitimate option... and thanks to several Republican governors, the dream of high speed rail seems to be on it's way down

kargen
Member Thu Nov 18 13:42:23
"The United States Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has said that airline passengers will not avoid body imaging screening or pat-downs based on their religious beliefs."

That is the way things are now. If the Council on American-Islamic Relations is successfull with their lobbying attempts that could change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXDLQPfqc04

Six minutes long, suppose to be funny? Anyway fits right in with this thread.

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Hot Rod Member	Wed Nov 17 18:26:19 Napolitano May Exempt Muslims From Airport Pat-Downs Last Updated: Tue, 11/16/2010 - 4:52pm As the U.S. government retaliates against an American for refusing to allow airport security to grope his genitals, the nation’s Homeland Security secretary considers waving the intrusive “pat-downs” for Muslim women who consider them offensive. The demand came last week from the politically-connected Muslim rights organization that serves as the U.S. front for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. Calling the searches “invasive” and “humiliating,” the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) advises Muslim women wearing religious head covers known as hijabs to reject full-body checks before boarding planes. Those who are selected for the secondary screenings should remind Transportation Security Administration (TSA) officers that they are only supposed to pat down the head and neck and that they should not subject Muslim women to a full-body or partial body pat-down, according to CAIR’s advisory. It further says that, instead of a body search, Muslim women can request to check their own hijab and have officers perform a chemical swipe of their hands. While Americans are forced to deal with the degrading searches, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is actually considering exempting Muslims as per CAIR’s demands. Madame Secretary confirmed this week that there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue of Muslim women in hijabs undergoing airport security pat-downs. In the meantime her agency is targeting a San Diego man who received worldwide media coverage for refusing to let a TSA agent conduct a thorough body search that he felt amounted to a “sexual assault.” Referring to his genitals, the man told the TSA officer; “you touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested.” The head of TSA in San Diego called a press conference this week to announce that the agency has launched an investigation into the 31-year-old software programmer who was not allowed to board the plane. The feds plan to prosecute and fine him thousands of dollars for making them look bad. Actually, the official charge is leaving the airport’s security area without permission, which is prohibited to prevent terrorism. Speaking of, TSA’s lapses over the years have certainly left the country vulnerable to another terrorist attack. The agency in charge of securing the nation’s transportation system has approved background checks for illegal immigrants working in sensitive areas of a busy U.S. airport and has failed miserably to ensure the security of tens of thousands of cargo packages transported daily in the bellies of passenger planes. Just last week a Massachusetts news station revealed that TSA cleared dozens of illegal immigrants to train as pilots in the U.S., despite “strict security controls” implemented after 9/11. Some of the illegal immigrants provided the station with official TSA documents approving pilot lessons through the agency’s alien flight student program. After the story broke, Homeland Security officials promised to “review the process” for clearing foreign nationals to become licensed pilots. http://www...empt-muslims-airport-pat-downs
Hot Rod Member	Wed Nov 17 18:30:19 If they do this it is outrageous and if a female Muslim suicide bomber blows up a plane they should try Napolitano for murder.
yankeessuck123 Member	Wed Nov 17 18:30:25 Evidence? This article provides none.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Nov 17 18:32:35 What part of the word 'May' is eluding you? It is not a done deal, yet.
Forwyn Member	Wed Nov 17 18:35:33 The best I've found is "more to come". http://www...-women-pat-downs-more-to-come/ I guarantee you there will be a shit storm if this goes through. It won't.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Nov 17 18:42:27 Mine is more current, not that that makes any difference. But, I think if they are going to make it mandatory us men should have the option of have a gorgeous 23 year old blond girl do the pat down.
Forwyn Member	Wed Nov 17 18:45:54 The request was for evidence, and the reason I posted the link is because it contains an interview snippet with Napolitano.
yankeessuck123 Member	Wed Nov 17 18:54:17 To say that it may, requires some sort of evidence. Otherwise it's outright bullshit. Also, I think we all know this won't happen, if only for political reasons.
Aeros Member	Wed Nov 17 18:55:23 Shhh YS. Hot Rod is on a rage bender.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Nov 17 22:15:35 Aeros you stupid shit, why do you lie like that? I put this thread up for discussion, not because I'm pissed off because they MIGHT do something. Sure I will be pissed if they make it policy not to pat down Muslim women because the searches are â??invasiveâ?? and â??humiliating.â?? They are humiliating to everyone including Americans. Muslim women deserve no special treatment.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Nov 17 22:20:49 yet you think you do. why, pedo?
Hot Rod Member	Wed Nov 17 22:45:44 mf, I'm trying to decide something. Who is the biggest piece of shit sociopath? You, renzo or master bates? I know you are all clinically insane, but which of you turds is farthest along?
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Wed Nov 17 23:00:02 terrorist attacks result in death of talking monkeys, by default, that is a good thing.
Disclaimer Member	Wed Nov 17 23:13:33 hotrod is a known liar and a pedophile.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Nov 17 23:24:56 Napolitano is fucking retarded enough to think this is a good idea. that fucking retard is the leader of all fucking retards. Palin looks like a fucking genious by comparison.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Nov 17 23:25:19 Hot Liar claimed this in another thread. I debunked it with a link from the TSA claiming nobody will be excluded on religious grounds and that people are scanned or not allowed on the plane. He then ignores the link and posts this.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Nov 17 23:34:04 http://www...-not-mean-no-airport-screening "The United States Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has said that airline passengers will not avoid body imaging screening or pat-downs based on their religious beliefs." The TSA is a better source on this than a blog pedophile.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Nov 17 23:58:03 "Who is the biggest piece of shit sociopath?" "Hi guys, this is Hot Rod's brother. Hot Rod passed away last night." The person who pulled this stunt is likely to be a pedophile and a disgusting human being on top of being a piece of shit sociopath.
roland Member	Thu Nov 18 01:05:18 I think I will create a blog and post TSA is considering hiring Hot Rod as an airport security officer.
roland Member	Thu Nov 18 01:06:08 ^ Must be true since it is on the internet.
Goreth Member	Thu Nov 18 02:24:40 Waiving security checks for people on grounds of their personal superstition is batshit insane. Planes are a high-value target for terrorists of all sorts, so you either waive your privacy rights for the duration of your travel or you do not fly. It is that simple. Of course since it's a link from HR I doubt the story on general principles. (Not that I consider that sort of crazy entirely impossible) Also anyone who considers those searches humiliating is an idiot IMO. They do it to protect your ass as well.
mrbeer Member	Thu Nov 18 02:24:57 Apparently it's OK to post any outrageous bullshit and then start whining about how you said 'may' and that makes it OK.
Hellfire Member	Thu Nov 18 02:33:06 "Also anyone who considers those searches humiliating is an idiot IMO. They do it to protect your ass as well. " You do realize they believe the scanners are unlikely to pick up another underwear bomb, even if they somehow managed to pick the right random guy for the scanner, right? And how is some unknown person touching your genitals not a invasive? This whole scheme is bullshit, nothing more than theatrics. They're counting on random luck to pick the right guy and then hoping that he is using something that will be picked up on the scanners. It's nothing but a fucking theater. You want something actually effective? Go study what the Israelis do. You think those fuckers aren't threatened by terrorism? When is the last time an Israeli airplane got blown up or hijacked? You'll notice the Israelis aren't jumping to do the retarded BS the TSA is putting in place. You know how effective the No Fly list is? Not.At.All. Anyone could easily forge a boarding pass with the retarded print-at-home systems they have and if they really want to get on a plane all they have to do is have someone else buy the ticket for them and switch the fake with a real boarding pass past the security. It's all a giant fucking joke.
Goreth Member	Thu Nov 18 02:39:25 "And how is some unknown person touching your genitals not a invasive?" It is, but if you have a problem with a neccesary security precaution, take a fucking bus. Seriously. On an airport, privacy is an extremely expensive luxury for good reasons (You have your own plane or you have no privacy). That airport security has more holes in it than swiss cheese is a problem on its own, but no reason to argue against being searched. "You know how effective the No Fly list is?" Yes. Where exactly did I say it wasn't retarded?
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Nov 18 02:40:41 *argue against having ones balls touched. "Touch our balls to ensure we remain free!"
roland Member	Thu Nov 18 03:09:37 Where do you draw the line to ensure you are safe?
Goreth Member	Thu Nov 18 04:06:44 If it makes sense. Scanning my luggage and me for weapons and patting me down if the metal detector screams makes sense. Anything too extreme I can think of would not be feasable either by being to much effort or putting too many people off flying altogether. Something I'm against is the liquid ban, because AFAIK the plot that inspired it simply wouldn't have worked, or No Fly lists that seem to be compiled by complete idiots.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Nov 18 05:59:10 mrbeer, welcome to the ranks of the stupid. First of all, I did not say 'may.' It is in the title of the article. Secondly, the article Milton Bradley quotes is quoting the director of TSA. Napolitano is his boss. He may have made up his mind, but she can change it if she chooses. Thirdly, there is plenty of misinformation and confusion coming out of Washington lately. i.e.: Last week Eric Holder said they were very close to a decision on where to hold the trial for the guy accused of masterminding 9/11, but not a whisper since. Then Obama's CoS said Obama was willing to negotiate on taxes for the rich, but Obama said that was wrong and that he would not negotiate from Korea. Th moral of the story is if you are too stupid to keep up with current events then you should STFU.
Hellfire Member	Thu Nov 18 13:26:41 "That airport security has more holes in it than swiss cheese is a problem on its own, but no reason to argue against being searched. " While I do agree that you don't just stop all together, you can't just hope on random luck to stop terrorists. Also, the scanning that they're adding is unlikely to detect these underwear bombs: http://www...nners-just-a-scam-1856175.html "The explosive device smuggled in the clothing of the Detroit bomb suspect would not have been detected by body-scanners set to be introduced in British airports, an expert on the technology warned last night." ... "ut Ben Wallace, the Conservative MP, who was formerly involved in a project by a leading British defence research firm to develop the scanners for airport use, said trials had shown that such low-density materials went undetected. Tests by scientists in the team at Qinetiq, which Mr Wallace advised before he became an MP in 2005, showed the millimetre-wave scanners picked up shrapnel and heavy wax and metal, but plastic, chemicals and liquids were missed. If a material is low density, such as powder, liquid or thin plastic â?? as well as the passenger's clothing â?? the millimetre waves pass through and the object is not shown on screen. High- density material such as metal knives, guns and dense plastic such as C4 explosive reflect the millimetre waves and leave an image of the object." ---------------------------------------- I understand doing patdowns on people who have done something to warrant suspicion but it's not reasonable to have such invasive searches on people just hoping to get randomly lucky. Which brings me to.. "It is, but if you have a problem with a neccesary security precaution, take a fucking bus. Seriously" It's not a fucking necessary security precaution and there are real questions about the safety of the scanners. Hoping to get lucky picking random people isn't effective.
Hellfire Member	Thu Nov 18 13:41:55 Also: "It is, but if you have a problem with a neccesary security precaution, take a fucking bus. Seriously." Busses, especially for businesses and people flying abroad, are not a legitimate option... and thanks to several Republican governors, the dream of high speed rail seems to be on it's way down
kargen Member	Thu Nov 18 13:42:23 "The United States Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has said that airline passengers will not avoid body imaging screening or pat-downs based on their religious beliefs." That is the way things are now. If the Council on American-Islamic Relations is successfull with their lobbying attempts that could change. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXDLQPfqc04 Six minutes long, suppose to be funny? Anyway fits right in with this thread.
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