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Milton Bradley
Member Sat Nov 13 18:38:41
This thread is a continuation of the last thread which Hot Rod flooded over and over until the mod gave up and deleted, because someone pointed out his computer was not capable of playing anything more intensive than civ 2.

http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=40050

We were discussing whether intel or amd was more evil, and if there were alternatives to these two companies for hardware.

ehcks
Member Sat Nov 13 18:42:23
Does Mitsubishi still make CPUs for desktops?

I seem to remember Macs used Mitsubishi CPUs around a decade ago.

Hot Rod
Member Sat Nov 13 18:50:19

mb - which Hot Rod flooded over and over until the mod gave up and deleted...

You are a lying sack of puss you stupid shit.

Hot Wad
Member Sat Nov 13 18:59:55
Let's go back focusing how your computer is substandard and it cant even run Civ IV...

Cloud Strife
Member Sat Nov 13 21:07:44
`Does Mitsubishi still make CPUs for desktops? '

no

roland
Member Sat Nov 13 21:22:10
VIA? But they suck though

Daemon
Member Sun Nov 14 03:31:06
"I seem to remember Macs used Mitsubishi CPUs around a decade ago. "

That was Motorola, not Mitsubishi.

ehcks
Member Sun Nov 14 10:05:28
Oh, thanks.

Can't find anything CPU related on Newegg from Motorola either.

Daemon
Member Sun Nov 14 10:44:11
The first Macs were designed around the MC68000 from Motorola, later Apple used the PowerPC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC68000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerpc

Motorola sold its whole CPU business, it is now known as Freescale:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freescale

ehcks
Member Sun Nov 14 11:13:18
And it looks like FreeScale stopped making CPUs after Mac switched to IBM.

Unless you can rig a desktop CPU out of microcontrollers.

pillz
Member Sun Nov 14 13:41:51
Civ 2?

Get an AMD Sempron for like $30.

Cloud Strife
Member Sun Nov 14 13:46:16
There are producers in alternate cpu markets, that could step in, if they saw a reason to in the desktop market.

http://www.indexoftheweb.com/Computer/CPU_Manufacturers.htm

earthpig
GTFO HOer Sun Nov 14 13:53:05
CPU architectures supported by Debian, according to wiki:

x86, x86-64, IA-64, ppc, ppc64, sparc32, sparc64, arm, hppa, mips, loongson, s390, s390x, alpha

x86 and x86-64 are both intel and amd offerings. for a lot of the other ones, you'd be using components and hardware designed to be a server or perhaps a standalone router.

Cloud Strife
Member Sun Nov 14 13:54:32
or a calculator.

earthpig
GTFO HOer Sun Nov 14 14:03:26
or that.

would need to verify that a mouse, keyboard, and monitor can be plugged into whatever is chosen. heh.

it would be an uphill battle to venture outside of x86/x86-64 and ppc/ppc64.

if cost effective, i wouldn't object to an IBM ppc-based system.

earthpig
GTFO HOer Sun Nov 14 14:11:26
ha. cheapest one i am finding is $6,385.00.

http://www...r/hardware/710/browse_aix.html

ya no way in hell.

Milton Bradley
Member Sun Nov 14 14:12:46
^That attitude is why nobody can compete with intel and AMD

Cloud Strife
Member Sun Nov 14 14:19:40
Why do you want to turn a server into a pc again?

earthpig
GTFO HOer Sun Nov 14 14:27:49
somehow the last thread started to sidetrack into alternatives to intel and amd-based home computers.

just came across these, from the netbook realm, which are probably more viable than trying to frankenstien a server:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenic_Semiconductor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A9_MPCore

i've plugged a display, keyboard, and mouse into a netbook (intel based) before. the overall experience is mediocre, but not horrible.

now that i think about it, i've heard rumblings about how great ARM is supposed to be.

pillz
Member Sun Nov 14 16:54:43
ARM is for mobile/embedded systems only.

Desktop options are only Intel/AMD.

earthpig
GTFO HOer Sun Nov 14 21:32:37
marketed and intended for mobile/embedded only, yes.

toss in an hdmi port and a few usb ports, and you're set.

Average European
Member Mon Nov 15 01:22:55
"Intel needs AMD so they can point at AMD and go "Look! We're not a monopoly in the consumer-level computer market!""

Which is pretty funny after they gave $6 billion in "rebates" to dell for not using AMD chips.

Speaking of netbooks, the AMD fusion stuff looks promising.

Daemon
Member Mon Nov 15 02:28:18
"ARM is for mobile/embedded systems only"

Chip designers try to bring ARM chips into more markets
http://www...09/marvell_armada_xp_arm_chip/

"At the ARM Techcon 2010 in Intel's hometown of Santa Clara, California, Marvell unveiled its quad-core Armada XP processor, which it claims offers up to five times the performance per watt as an equivalent (but unspecified) server chip from Intel."

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Milton Bradley Member	Sat Nov 13 18:38:41 This thread is a continuation of the last thread which Hot Rod flooded over and over until the mod gave up and deleted, because someone pointed out his computer was not capable of playing anything more intensive than civ 2. http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=40050 We were discussing whether intel or amd was more evil, and if there were alternatives to these two companies for hardware.
ehcks Member	Sat Nov 13 18:42:23 Does Mitsubishi still make CPUs for desktops? I seem to remember Macs used Mitsubishi CPUs around a decade ago.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Nov 13 18:50:19 mb - which Hot Rod flooded over and over until the mod gave up and deleted... You are a lying sack of puss you stupid shit.
Hot Wad Member	Sat Nov 13 18:59:55 Let's go back focusing how your computer is substandard and it cant even run Civ IV...
Cloud Strife Member	Sat Nov 13 21:07:44 `Does Mitsubishi still make CPUs for desktops? ' no
roland Member	Sat Nov 13 21:22:10 VIA? But they suck though
Daemon Member	Sun Nov 14 03:31:06 "I seem to remember Macs used Mitsubishi CPUs around a decade ago. " That was Motorola, not Mitsubishi.
ehcks Member	Sun Nov 14 10:05:28 Oh, thanks. Can't find anything CPU related on Newegg from Motorola either.
Daemon Member	Sun Nov 14 10:44:11 The first Macs were designed around the MC68000 from Motorola, later Apple used the PowerPC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC68000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerpc Motorola sold its whole CPU business, it is now known as Freescale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freescale
ehcks Member	Sun Nov 14 11:13:18 And it looks like FreeScale stopped making CPUs after Mac switched to IBM. Unless you can rig a desktop CPU out of microcontrollers.
pillz Member	Sun Nov 14 13:41:51 Civ 2? Get an AMD Sempron for like $30.
Cloud Strife Member	Sun Nov 14 13:46:16 There are producers in alternate cpu markets, that could step in, if they saw a reason to in the desktop market. http://www.indexoftheweb.com/Computer/CPU_Manufacturers.htm
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 14 13:53:05 CPU architectures supported by Debian, according to wiki: x86, x86-64, IA-64, ppc, ppc64, sparc32, sparc64, arm, hppa, mips, loongson, s390, s390x, alpha x86 and x86-64 are both intel and amd offerings. for a lot of the other ones, you'd be using components and hardware designed to be a server or perhaps a standalone router.
Cloud Strife Member	Sun Nov 14 13:54:32 or a calculator.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 14 14:03:26 or that. would need to verify that a mouse, keyboard, and monitor can be plugged into whatever is chosen. heh. it would be an uphill battle to venture outside of x86/x86-64 and ppc/ppc64. if cost effective, i wouldn't object to an IBM ppc-based system.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 14 14:11:26 ha. cheapest one i am finding is $6,385.00. http://www...r/hardware/710/browse_aix.html ya no way in hell.
Milton Bradley Member	Sun Nov 14 14:12:46 ^That attitude is why nobody can compete with intel and AMD
Cloud Strife Member	Sun Nov 14 14:19:40 Why do you want to turn a server into a pc again?
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 14 14:27:49 somehow the last thread started to sidetrack into alternatives to intel and amd-based home computers. just came across these, from the netbook realm, which are probably more viable than trying to frankenstien a server: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenic_Semiconductor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A9_MPCore i've plugged a display, keyboard, and mouse into a netbook (intel based) before. the overall experience is mediocre, but not horrible. now that i think about it, i've heard rumblings about how great ARM is supposed to be.
pillz Member	Sun Nov 14 16:54:43 ARM is for mobile/embedded systems only. Desktop options are only Intel/AMD.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Nov 14 21:32:37 marketed and intended for mobile/embedded only, yes. toss in an hdmi port and a few usb ports, and you're set.
Average European Member	Mon Nov 15 01:22:55 "Intel needs AMD so they can point at AMD and go "Look! We're not a monopoly in the consumer-level computer market!"" Which is pretty funny after they gave $6 billion in "rebates" to dell for not using AMD chips. Speaking of netbooks, the AMD fusion stuff looks promising.
Daemon Member	Mon Nov 15 02:28:18 "ARM is for mobile/embedded systems only" Chip designers try to bring ARM chips into more markets http://www...09/marvell_armada_xp_arm_chip/ "At the ARM Techcon 2010 in Intel's hometown of Santa Clara, California, Marvell unveiled its quad-core Armada XP processor, which it claims offers up to five times the performance per watt as an equivalent (but unspecified) server chip from Intel."
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