Utopia Talk / Politics / Ding Dong, the witch is dead!

Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 19:30:39 http://abc...topher-coons/story?id=12036730 Christine O'Donnell Projected to Lose Delaware Senate Race to Christopher Coons Democrat Christopher Coons was projected to beat flamboyant Tea Party candidate Christine O'Donnell tonight in the race to keep Vice President Joe Biden's former Senate seat in Democratic hands. The Delaware race was rarely in doubt as Coons, the New Castle County executive, enjoyed double digit leads in polls in recent weeks, but the national spotlight remained on the state. It was one of the first defeats of the Tea Party. O'Donnell first burst into the political limelight as a Tea Party candidate who defeated a moderate and popular Republican, Rep. Michael Castle, in the September primary. She quickly raised $1 million from jubilant Tea Party supporters and won the endorsement of Sarah Palin. The spotlight, however, turned harsh as O'Donnell struggled to defuse a series of revelations about her past that included dabbling in witchcraft, unpaid student debts and income taxes, IRS liens and improperly used campaign funds. She also had to explain her stands as a social conservative appearing on shows such as Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect" in the 1990s campaigning against pornography and masturbation. O'Donnell, who twice ran for the Senate and lost, didn't help her cause when her first television campaign ad began with the declaration, "I am not a witch." It soon became a punchline on late-night talk shows, a sure sign of political jeopardy. O'Donnell remained in the Senate race against the wishes of Republicans in Washington. A few national Republican figures donated to her campaign in the days after she won, but she later appeared to be largely been on her own, prompting O'Donnell to publicly criticize the National Republican Senatorial Committee for not helping her campaign. While a throw-the-bums-out attitude has shaped races across the country, the Palin-backed O'Donnell did not appear to benefit from the trend. Last month, both President Obama and Biden showed up in Delaware to campaign for Coons despite his commanding lead in the polls, trying to link O'Donnell and her Tea Party ties to the national GOP. Biden, who held the Senate seat for 36 years, described Coons as "a man of incredible integrity." Coons' victory could be vital to the Democrats in the Senate. Should Democrats lose nine other seats in the election, leaving the Senate at 50-50, Coons could emerge as a party savior of sorts because they would retain the majority by virtue of the vice president holding a tie-breaking vote in the Senate. Hours before the polls opened in Delaware, O'Donnell appeared encouraged of her chance because of the low turnout at a rally for Coons attended by Biden. "VP Biden comes to DE, stumps for my opponent, and only draws a crowd of 200?" she tweeted late Monday. "Oh, this race is so winnable!" Tuesday morning, O'Donnell cast her vote in Wilmington and later greeted voters outside a polling station. "We'll celebrate tonight," she said in a tweet to supporters. There would be no victory party for O'Donnell tonight. Delaware is a small state of less than one million people. With the industrial north and rural south, it has its own political culture and history. While viewed by many as a Democratic blue state, its statewide office-holders have flipped parties with regularity.
mexicantornado Member	Tue Nov 02 19:33:06 Got to look for the silver lining eh Aeros?
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 19:33:40 We have not lost yet.
mexicantornado Member	Tue Nov 02 19:33:55 hahahaahahahahahahahaha
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 19:34:16 And even if we do, Obama will still be in charge. All the Republicans will get is a bully pulpit for 2 years to pontificate on.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Tue Nov 02 19:34:28 Yeah man the witch got completely crushed. Man Coons completely dominated her and only a dumbass like mexicantornado could think she can win when polls show her 14 damn points down. "Wild Card - Senate Race in Delaware is won by O'donnell. " - tornado Man what a fuzzing riot
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 19:35:19 Since we've already passed health care, financial reform, and stabilized the economy according to good Keynesian principles, I am happy to wait and watch the Republicans make asses of themselves for an election cycle.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 19:39:09 look at the retarded communist jizzing himself cause the communists managed to hold on to about one of 100 close races. aeros why do you always fail?
Milton Bradley Member	Tue Nov 02 19:42:09 "We" this, "we" that. What a fucking hack.
Rugian Member	Tue Nov 02 19:42:57 So the Democrats were able to not lose to a batshit insane retarded which? Wow Aeros, way to set the bar high there.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 19:48:57 ""We" this, "we" that. What a fucking hack." Where has there ever been any doubt on my support of the current Democratic agenda?
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 19:52:13 thank you for finally admitting your deep-rooted communism and hatred for American heritage, aeros.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 20:01:28 Yes, the Democrats are a bunch of communists who hate America. They want nothing more then to destroy the country they have been helping to run for almost 230 years, getting on to a century longer the Republican Party. Fuck. That's it. I am so fucking sick of you self righteous ass holes assuming that you are America and the rest of us are not. You know what, if the Communist Party won the election in 2012, they are America, and the Constitution say's you have to accept that fact. If you tried to deny the people who elected the Communists to power, you would be the one who hated America and the Constitution, not the Communists. Its all neither here nor there anyhow. I've fought for my country in war. I pay my taxes the same as you, despite what Rugian claims. I do what I can to exercise my citizens rights to effect our Republic like every other generation of Americans before me, and I will not stand for some arrogant self righteous ass hole to say I am no less American then he is because I do not agree with his particular political brand.
Renzo Marquez Member	Tue Nov 02 20:03:15 Welfaeroes, we know you were and are welfare scum. No need to continue bringing up the "fought for my country" nonsense.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 20:04:55 No need, I've said all I need to. You all can continue to delude yourselves into thinking half the population is less American then you are. You can even try to "save" America by denying us our say in the country. Just remember that we are American enough to fight back if you come knocking you fucking fascists.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 20:08:37 Now by all means, try to cleanse America of the Liberal conspiracy. We have guns too morons.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 20:09:52 "I've fought for my country in war" ROFL!!!!! AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA What battles were you in again? Oh thats right, you were a mechanic on a ship. Ive seen schoolgirls in more dangerous positions.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 20:10:17 "What battles were you in again? Oh thats right, you were a mechanic on a ship." No.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 20:11:27 If you care to know ass hat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Phantom_Phoenix
Renzo Marquez Member	Tue Nov 02 20:11:50 Welfaeros = internet tough guy.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 20:13:44 Look at aeros making shit up to try and sound like wasnt a total failure at life. LOL!
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 20:15:50 So you were not a mechanic... that might be true, since mechanics are mostly unintelligent. You are entirely unintelligent. So what were you, a cook? "I fought battles" LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 20:19:36 funny how everyone is unarmored, unarmed, and standing in line for chow. interesting fighting, that. Shit, i am about to go fight with some doritos. i hope I win. If I was as dumb as a communist, i might forget how to chew food and "lose the battle".
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Samuel Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 20:23:00 I couldn't join the military because, well, I suck. Quite simple, I rather have them fight the battles for me...why should I fight? I have no guts.
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:23:43 Aeros, how in fuck can you call yourself American AND Communist? Serious question. God bless you for your service, brother, but seriously. How in fuck could you possibly support this shithole they're digging for us? Obama's bullshit is straight up Kenyan Socialism right out of the 1950's, and he's proving it. Why do you think he's incentivizing the relocation of American business out of the country, while fucking the only group in America that can capably and competently produce jobs (the $250K and above crew)? Don't tell me Obama is taxing the true wealthy because I think you know that isn't accurate. The truly wealthy are getting all their dough back in the form of bailouts, and they all happen to be ultra Liberal Democrats. Google the political disposition of the CEO's of all the major banks. Look at how many Goldman Sachs employees are in and around the White House. The ones Obama is squeezing with his tax hikes and insane agenda is the MIDDLE CLASS (through deprivation of jobs) and the Upper Middle Class (through tax hikes). I'm sorry but $250K annually for a fucking family that runs a farm or a 7-11 is not "wealthy". Wealthy is Wall Street shitheads that buy gold toilets with Obama's stimulus money, and new French jets with TARP.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 20:24:13 "Aeros, how in fuck can you call yourself American AND Communist?" I don't call myself communist moron. You call me Communist.
Samantha Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 20:25:52 I wish I was like Aeros, at least he went into a war, while I am just an armchair general.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 20:26:33 Aeros post a video with fighting in it, or be owned. But look, we all know you were not actually doing any fighting. Real soldiers are not communists.
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:27:03 The American middle class MUST be hollowed out in order to pave the way for any kind of "transformation" of Capitalism. I think we're all big boys here and we know that. Middle Class America has always been to comfortable to bother with some kind of structural revolution. We know that. So the middle class has to go through hard times. Very hard times. That's what these guys want. If you deny it, you're deluding only yourself. Everyone else can see it. That's why this election is going this way. In fact, just like I called Obama's identity a long time ago, in front of everyone on this board, I'm going to let you in on another little secret: We aren't out of the woods yet. We might be headed for the blackest period in modern history STILL. And the REPUBLICAN VICTORY tonight might be the nail in the coffin. Want to know why?
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 20:27:35 You got it all figured out, don't you.
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:30:25 Here is why I'm saying we're still in trouble: Not only trouble, but extremely dangerous times. Obama and the banker clique are very tight. Again, none of this means anything unless you are informed on how many bankers are in the White House. Do that first if you haven't already. Now some key events: First, the departure of Rahm Emmanuel. That's a big indicator of some fucked up shit on the way. There was also the firing recently of his entire economic team, remember? Start putting the puzzle pieces together. Did you notice the annoucnement from the Fed the other day? They're waiting until Nov. 2 to make an a major decision. Any guess what it is?
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:31:21 Look: http://www...of-purchases-survey-shows.html We're montetizing our debt. Why?
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:32:13 By the way, the article above says $500 Billion. Talk has been $500 Billion or $1 Trillion. They're waiting on the outcome of the election to decide. Now do you get the significance of all these little indicators?
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:36:18 Now, Google "Food Prices To Rise". In the past 24 months, the average price of food in America has risen anywhere from 9% to 12% depending on the indexes used. Here's where I'm going with this: If Obama wants to solidify his re-election, and kick out the Republicans in 2 years, all Bernanke, the Fed, and Wall Street- recently enriched by their buddies- all they have to do is detonate a financial bomb timed to make it look like the Republicans are "taking us back to the Bush era". I'll admit that this idea sounds far fetched. But then, the very thought of an American President handing over Chryler to Fiat Italy, and nationalizing health care, and taking over the payroll of GM, and subsidizing foreign oil exploration while blockading American oil companies... that all sounded preposterous too, just two short years ago.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 20:38:32 "In the past 24 months, the average price of food in America has risen anywhere from 9% to 12% depending on the indexes used." Havee you accounted for inflation, the Republican efforts to turn grain into Ethanol, increasing demand in China, the Russian wildfires and grain export moratorium, the Indian drought, increasing fuel and transport costs into your calculations J.B?
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:41:49 So, let the Archivist log this all in. It is a win for the TEA Party, a win for the Republicans, but Obama and his clan are more dangerous now than they ever have been. And in case you missed it, about the bankers in the White House: http://www...nd-conspiracy-theory-t2272.htm
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:48:06 Havee you accounted for inflation, Yes. Inflation is a wash. Deflation in 2009, and inflation in 2010 that nets almost zero: http://www...on/historical-inflation-rates/ But you are right on some of your other points. The point is hard times are coming. Some food prices are supposed to go up as much as 30% in the next 2-3 years.
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:50:16 "We're montetizing our debt. Why? " Since nobody has said anything about this yet, here's why: George Soros Seeking "Managed Decline of US Dollar" http://fut...ays-there-will-be-managed.html This guy is doing to American greenback what he did to the Pound. George Soros a.k.a. "The Man Who Broke The Bank of England". Google it.
Renzo Marquez Member	Tue Nov 02 20:51:21 Aeros Member Tue Nov 02 20:38:32 "...the Republican efforts to turn grain into Ethanol..." Are you that braindead?
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 20:52:11 Rofl, alternative energy automatically becomes republican when it fails. Aeros, kill yourself.
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 20:52:22 My own personal fear is that we're already past the point of no return. Obama has Wall Street and the banks in his back pocket. All he has to do is say "fine. You want it, here it is". Then he'll light the fuse and hand it over. If done right, in 2 years, Dems will come charging back, and Obama will be looking at a 2nd term as Obama Clinton. 2012 will then prove to be the end of the fucking modern world as we know it, because we'd find ourselves hurtling towards who knows what.
Dakyron Member	Tue Nov 02 20:53:31 Look at Sam the rejected soldier criticizing Aeros for not fighting in any battles. Samantha would probably shit himself if he ever came face to face with a muslim fanatic.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 20:57:51 nah. I would shit myself if I was born into the state of being where I lived in arizona and was married to a fat redneck though. And went to devry. That would just suck.
Dakyron Member	Tue Nov 02 20:59:24 You are fucking pathetic calling someone who went to war a failure while you are an armchair general warmonger who either is too chickenshit to fight yourself or too fucking retarded to pass the entrance exam. Either way, you fail. Completely. Kill yourself, or at least shut the fuck up.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 21:01:38 Lilly if you think aeros "went to war" then you are almost as fucking stupid as he is. Which makes sense, because you went to devry and aeros is trying to get into devry.
Dakyron Member	Tue Nov 02 21:03:05 Aeros would fail even the modest task of graduating from DeVry.
J.B. Member	Tue Nov 02 21:05:11 Way to hijack the thread, homos.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 21:05:49 oh my. this is getting saved.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 21:06:36 and right when you thought the irony couldnt get any worse, here comes JB whining that OTHER PEOPLE are hijacking threads. wow
Dakyron Member	Tue Nov 02 21:09:30 I'm calling you a moron. Please, go buy steel drums of oats and 50,000 rounds of ammo.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 21:13:34 Come on, everyone knows the Ethanol production was a massive subsidy for the Corn Industry in the midwest, pushed by their Senators and those idiot Democrats who want to throw a bone to the Environmentalist base while themselves taking huge campaign contributions from Monsanto.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 02 21:19:11 and since there are more enviros than farmers, you lose.
Renzo Marquez Member	Tue Nov 02 21:31:33 Welfaeros, which 2008 presidential candidate from a major party came out against ethanol subsidies? Which won his primary in large part because he pandered to big corn/ethanol? Does Wesley Clark represent a pro or anti ethanol group? Is the current secretary of agriculture a proponent or an opponent of ethanol subsidies? Have you followed the EPA decision process on E15 at all? Just shut the fuck up. You are obviously clueless.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 22:03:31 If the Republican Senators from Midwest voted against the Ethanol subsidies, you win the argument.
Aeros Member	Tue Nov 02 22:04:00 Also, if a certain Republican President vetoed the Subsidies, you get BONUS points!
kargen Member	Wed Nov 03 12:25:14 I thought this thread was going to be about Pelosi.
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Nov 04 07:56:42 Well, you are pretty dumb after all, so thats pretty much expected.
river of blood Member	Thu Nov 04 08:49:49 I love how airhole thinks the constitution says that if we vote to destroy the constitution and replace it with communism then that's ok. GG.
kargen Member	Thu Nov 04 11:27:07 "Havee you accounted for inflation, the Republican efforts to turn grain into Ethanol," Just a quick little note to tell you ethanol production really doesn't have all that big an impact on what is being grown. The corn used to produce ethanol can still be used as feed. For the most part the corn was going to be fed anyway. If there were a surplus of corn because of ethanol production meat prices should have dropped.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Nov 04 11:48:04 This is your personal observation again, yes?
Forwyn Member	Thu Nov 04 12:41:04 I thought this thread title was in reference to Pelosi becoming the first FORMER Speaker.
Forwyn Member	Thu Nov 04 13:59:11 female former*
kargen Member	Thu Nov 04 17:42:10 "This is your personal observation again, yes?" Actually this time it is. You see back in the early 1980s I worked at an ethanol plant. I was doing the chemical analysis of the product each step along the process. The corn would come in and go through a grinder, then all kinds of fun chemicals and enzymes would be mixed with it. It would then brew for 5-8 days depending on how fast the yeast reacted then the grain was seperated from the resulting brew. The alcohol was then removed, the remaining liquid was steamed until it became a thick syrup. The grain was then driven down the road 1/2 mile to the feed lot where the corn was mixed with silage and fed to the cattle. The syrup was put in containers where the cattle could lick a wheel and get the syrup. The syrup helped add bulk to the cattle making for more profits for the owners. So yeah it was personal observance. As I tried to tell your ignorant ass in the other thread some of us don't need a blog to tell us what is true and what is false. I haven't lied to you yet. Just trying to educate you a little.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Nov 04 18:56:00 "Actually this time it is. You see back in the early 1980s I worked at an ethanol plant. I was doing the chemical analysis of the product each step along the process." So what you are saying is that whatever you saw in the 1980s will be equally applicable here 30 years later, yes? That's good to know, HR's spokesperson. Because I was afraid that this would be like the "secret Social Security Trust Fund" that you discovered on google search that cannot be revealed to people. "some of us don't need a blog to tell us what is true and what is false." True. And others use real objective data to tell what is true and what is false. "I haven't lied to you yet. Just trying to educate you a little." What happened to the secret social security trust fund you found on google that has not yet been revealed? gg.
kargen Member	Thu Nov 04 22:37:44 "So what you are saying is that whatever you saw in the 1980s will be equally applicable here 30 years later, yes?" Not whatever I saw in the 80s. What I am telling you is that corn used to make ethanol is then fed to cattle. I know this because the feedlots here were doing it thirty years ago, and some still are now. If you are to fucking stupid to figure that out I can't help you. But what the hell, this one time I will provide you a source instead of making you do the work yourself. Of course if you did the work yourself you would better remember what I am teaching you, but your the one who wishes to wallow in ignorance. So at the expense of improving your knowledge base here you go. http://www..._news/livestock_news/cat24.txt "Along with ethanol production comes co-products including corn Distillers Dried Grains with Solubles (DDGS). Many cattle feeding operations in Minnesota already rely on DDGS or corn gluten for their rations. It looks like DDGS will remain an important part of feeder and finishing cattle rations." "Out of 9,400 surveyed livestock operations in the Upper Midwest and Corn Belt, early in 2007, 36 percent of the cattle-on-feed operators fed ethanol co-products." and you invented the secret social security fund. I simply pointed out the fund where some of our FICA goes to is a poor producer because it is only invested in government bonds. That shit you posted was unrelated. Ya know if you would just listen to me I could educate you some and that knowledge would help your self esteem some. Maybe if you listened to me your self esteem could improve enough through education that you wouldn't feel the need to be such an obnoxious prick here in the forums to compensate.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Nov 04 22:47:31 "What I am telling you is that corn used to make ethanol is then fed to cattle. I know this because the feedlots here were doing it thirty years ago" We had mandate on the amount of ethanol that must be produced and tariff on sugar 30 years ago? How interesting. "http://www..._news/livestock_news/cat24.txt" I thought it is inappropriate to use blogs as evidence, HR spokesperson? And how interesting it is that it is unrelated to your claim that ethanol has no impact on what is being grown. "and you invented the secret social security fund. I simply pointed out the fund where some of our FICA goes to is a poor producer because it is only invested in government bonds. That shit you posted was unrelated. " Wow, so you also adopted HR's lying technique after you copied his argumentative skill such as "I saw it on tv" and "google it yourself?" You said Social Security has more than two trust funds based on a google search. I did not invent this. Now I see why you have to lie about this as it is quite an embarrassing mistake for someone who pretends to know what social security is. Honestly. I understand. I never expect a Republican to research the issue before posting, especially not from the spokesperson of Pedo Rod. "Ya know if you would just listen to me I could educate you some and that knowledge would help your self esteem some. Maybe if you listened to me your self esteem could improve enough through education that you wouldn't feel the need to be such an obnoxious prick here in the forums to compensate." I am more swayed by actual facts rather than anecdotes from someone who claimed that the Social Security Trust Fund has a third "secret" trust fund based on your super secret google search.
kargen Member	Thu Nov 04 23:45:57 "We had mandate on the amount of ethanol that must be produced and tariff on sugar 30 years ago?" I didn't mention anything about a mandate nor a sugar tax. You pulled that right out your ignorant ass. I said corn used to produce ethanal is also used to feed cattle. Didn't say if it was good, bad or otherwise. Just the simple fact that corn used to produce ethanol is then fed to cattle. "I thought it is inappropriate to use blogs as evidence, HR spokesperson?" Didn't even bother to go read the site did you. And I haven't stated an opinion one way or the other about the use of blogs to support a claim. That being said, the site I gave you is not a blog and it references a government study. But you just sit happily drooling on yourself in ignorant bliss. I provided the facts, not my fault you are to lazy to even open a seperate window in your browser. "Wow, so you also adopted HR's lying technique after you copied his argumentative skill such as "I saw it on tv" and "google it yourself?" " Nope, I just provide you with the truth. Makes a shit to me one way or the other if you believe what I say. "You said Social Security has more than two trust funds based on a google search." No, you failed to realize what I was saying in that thread even though I explained it to you multiple times. You provided a link to a fund that I told you was not the same thing as the money sitting in a fund earning through security bonds. You couldn't comprehend that. That is your failure not mine. and I'm still not Republican. I keep saying that because I have come to believe you really are as stupid as you come off here and are not just simply trolling. You need reminded many times because you really have no retention skills at all. "I am more swayed by actual facts rather than anecdotes from someone who claimed that the Social Security Trust Fund has a third "secret" trust fund based on your super secret google search." Now it is three? Fuck, in a month you will be claiming 261 of em exist. enough about your delusions when it comes to Social Security. If you really are swayed by facts (I doubt you have the mental capacity to be swayed as that would take two thoughts at a time) give the link I posted above a try. It even has real numbers in it and everything. Tells you who did the study and when. Not that you can understand it, but maybe there will be a pretty picture for you to look at. I'm done amuzing myself by educating your ignorant ass tonight. If business keeps me near the computer tomorrow for a while maybe I'll stop back by and offer you a few more facts you won't be able to comprehend even if you could remember them. It helps pass the time and I was always taught to help the less fortunate. When it comes to smarts you are most unfortunate so I will help as I can find the time. No need to thank me.
miltonfriedman Member	Fri Nov 05 10:54:12 "I didn't mention anything about a mandate nor a sugar tax. You pulled that right out your ignorant ass. I said corn used to produce ethanal is also used to feed cattle. Didn't say if it was good, bad or otherwise. Just the simple fact that corn used to produce ethanol is then fed to cattle." I understand that you need to backpeddle. Because your main argument is that ethanol does not change what is being grown. I hope you will now grasp the picture better. "No, you failed to realize what I was saying in that thread even though I explained it to you multiple times. You provided a link to a fund that I told you was not the same thing as the money sitting in a fund earning through security bonds. You couldn't comprehend that. That is your failure not mine." Ah. I see. Typical Republican undereducation. Let me try to teach you a little bit about social security. I provided a link to ALL two trust funds run by Social Security. In response, you said it is incomplete because you found the third fund, a "secret" trust fund where the money is sitting but that cannot be shown to people. and of course, I continue to invite kargen to provide the information on this "secret" fund that is earning through "security bonds." lulz. Again, I hope you understand now that SS only has two funds. And I hope you will eventually reveal this secret "fund" you discovered through your google search. "helps pass the time and I was always taught to help the less fortunate. When it comes to smarts you are most unfortunate so I will help as I can find the time." Sounds good. I always volunteered to help keeping those suffer from various psychological problems from mental retardation to delusion of grandeur company. Oh, btw, can you also provide the info to the "secret SS fund" you discovered on google search that still cannot be revealed to us when you come back? okthanxbye.
miltonfriedman Member	Fri Nov 05 10:59:08 I think Spokesperson for Hot Rod is hilarious. "I don't need blog to tell me what is right or wrong." -Then provide a blog to "prove" his point "I found the third SS trust fund through google" -Then tell people to google for it themselves "I have evidence" -Then tell people to find the tv footage he saw themselves No wonder Kargen has appointed himself as Hot Rod's spokesperson. He is also "libertarian" like Hot Rod.
kargen Member	Fri Nov 05 14:17:11 Nothing you said in your last two messages is true. Not one fucking word. Have a good weekend.
kindfluffysteve Member	Sun Nov 07 22:23:03 for a moment comrades, I was excited. I thought maggie thatcher was dead.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Nov 08 13:05:45 "Nothing you said in your last two messages is true. Not one fucking word." You didn't tell people that your assertion about Obama's policies are coming from what you saw on tv? Amazing HR's moment again. Kind of like how HR denies that he was The Guardian after he resurrected. I can see why you have appointed yourself to be HR's spokesperson, Kargen.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Nov 08 13:07:36 I continue to invite Kargen to share with us his finding on the secret SS fund that he discovered in his google search that still cannot be revealed to us.
kargen Member	Mon Nov 08 21:40:21 "You didn't tell people that your assertion about Obama's policies are coming from what you saw on tv?" Nope. Ya just pulled that out your ignorant ass.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Nov 08 21:46:40 How interesting. "No, you see they have this thing called a television. Sometimes on this television President Obama gives a speech or otherwise communicates things." So the above quote means that you did not try to assert certain Obama's policies based on what you saw on television?
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Nov 08 21:48:25 Of course, since I don't use secret google search to find the hidden social security trust fund: http://www...hread=39849&time=1288940126543
miltonfriedman Member	Tue Nov 09 17:15:22 "I never told people that my assertion about Obama's policies are coming from what I saw on tv." ~HR Spokesperson Kargen, 11/8 "No, you see they have this thing called a television. Sometimes on this television President Obama gives a speech or otherwise communicates things. In just such a speech he promised he would tax/fine companies who shift jobs overseas. I took him at his word." ~HR Spokesperson Kargen, 11/3 Further explication is appreciated.
kargen Member	Tue Nov 09 21:29:15 Twas one example of many that I provided. You see I get my information from a veritable plethora of sources. Television is but one, and when it is an actual speech by the president talking about his policies that is pretty much the ultimate source right there. Straight from the mouth of the guy we are talking about and you can't get a better source than that. I am sure further explinations would be appreciated. Problem is they won't be understood because you don't have that ability.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Nov 10 08:43:38 So first, you said you never take what you saw on tv to understand Obama's policies. but now you do? lulz. Kinda like the secret google search where you found this hidden social security trust fund, amirite?
kargen Member	Wed Nov 10 21:59:49 I knew you wouldn't understand. You asked, "You didn't tell people that your assertion about Obama's policies are coming from what you saw on tv?" I answered no. Why did I answer no? Because my assertion about Obama's polcies came from a variety of sources, not just one. It just so happened one of his speeches was televised. I could have just as easily read the speech at the White House website. Either way it would still be only one source of the many I used in reaching my opinions and conclusions. Time for you to confuse yourself trying to comprehend what I typed then type something irrelivant and stupid as a reply.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Nov 11 15:44:56 So the only thing you took from tv is his speeches, yes? "Either way it would still be only one source of the many I used in reaching my opinions and conclusions." no doubt including the secret google search that lead you to uncover the secret social security trust fund, amirite?
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