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Paramount Member	Mon Oct 11 05:12:36 US Republican candidate Rich Iott in Nazi uniform row A Republican politician in the US has been criticised after pictures of him dressed in a Nazi uniform emerged on the internet. Senior Republican figures have now sought to distance themselves from Rich Iott, a House candidate from Ohio. Mr Iott admitted being a member of a group that re-enacted SS battles. But he said he had been involved in re-enacting from many different eras and did not mean "any disrespect to anyone" in the US military. Repudiation Several photographs show Mr Iott posing as an officer in the Waffen SS - the combat wing of Hitler's feared Schutzstaffel. The pictures first appeared on the website of Wiking, a re-enactment group based in America's mid-west. Mr Iott, who uses the character name Reinhard Pferdmann, has admitted being a member of Wiking, saying it was a "purely historical interest". And in a statement on his website, Mr Iott said: "Never, in any of my re-enacting of military history, have I meant any disrespect to anyone who served in our military or anyone who has been affected by the tragedy of war, especially the Jewish community. "Historical re-enacting is a hobby enjoyed by millions of men - and women - around the world. I have been involved in historical re-enacting from many different eras since I was in college." Mr Iott also posted several photographs which showed him dressed in a US World War I uniform and also in a Union uniform during a Civil War re-enactment. Despite this, the situation is now making some in the Republican Party uncomfortable, the BBC's Ian Mackenzie in Washington says. On Sunday, Republican whip Eric Cantor said he repudiated Mr Iott's actions. "I do not support anything like this," he told Fox News on Sunday. The Iott controversy comes amid growing concern in the Republican party about the views of some candidates for the mid-term elections in November, our correspondent says. He adds that the growth of the ultra-conservative Tea Party movement has left them with one would-be senator who has questioned the civil rights legislation in the 1960s, while another confessed to dabbling in witchcraft and suggested scientists were implanting full human brains into mice. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11511574
Nimatzo Member	Mon Oct 11 05:20:50 Well this as stupid as little old ladies that hate the actor who plays the antagonist in their favorite soap opera.
Dukhat Member	Mon Oct 11 05:30:50 BBC are a bunch of faggot socialists dependent on government funding. Who gives a shit.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 11 05:33:04 http://ata...hread=39160&time=1286783754638
Nimatzo Member	Mon Oct 11 05:33:09 Yea it's the BBCs fault for reporting the news. Fucking idiot.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Oct 11 05:37:37 Hehe sting when socialist government funded BBC gives the fair and balanced report.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Oct 11 06:01:30 Of course he is a "Nazi", and everyone who dons the Confederate Gray for Civil War reenactments all keep a black person in their basement that they beat every night like Simon Legree did his slaves. This article is more smears by the asshole liberals.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Oct 11 06:13:12 I mean WWII historical reenactments does not mean he is anymore a Nazi than Civil War reenactments mean those taking the role of The South are racists. "Not long after the first HRS (Historical Reenactment Society) event in 1975 â?? an offshoot of American Civil War reenactment â?? World War II reenactors began to form permanent groups, each adopting the designation of a specific military unit that had served during the war. Some of the earlier of these organizations were 1st SS Division Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler reenactment group in Missouri and 352nd Infanterie Division 916th Grenadier Regiment II Bataillon 5 Kompanie reenactment group in New England. Since that time hundreds of units have formed worldwide, representing nearly every nationality involved in the conflict.[1] World War II reenactments also began in Canada around the same time, they evolving independently of their American counterparts." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reenactment
Paramount Member	Mon Oct 11 06:23:00 "This article is more smears by the asshole liberals." Is that what you would have said if it was a Democrat who was dressing himself in a nazi uniform?
Hot Rod Member	Mon Oct 11 06:36:11 Yes, read my other post. When are you people going to lear the truth is the truth and stop trying to spin it all the time?
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 11 06:41:35 "The second-highest Republican in the U.S. House Sunday rejected the actions of 9th District congressional candidate Rich Iott, whose involvement with a World War II German SS re-enactment group has ignited a firestorm on the local campaign trail. Eric Cantor, the House minority whip from Virginia, said on Fox News Sunday he would "absolutely repudiate" the actions of the Republican candidate who is seeking the seat held by Democrat Marcy Kaptur of Toledo. " Cantor never learned that the truth is the truth. Whats to repudiate, really? Harmless father-son games? Dumbass.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 11 06:41:47 http://tol.../NEWS09/101019966/-1/OPINION02
Hot Rod Member	Mon Oct 11 06:51:29 Perhaps Cantor is not very well informed or perhaps his is a knee jerk reaction. Ever play a board or computer game where you were the German's in WWII? Did that make you a believer in fascism? Explain to me how you can have a historical reenactment of the Nazis in WWII without donning a Nazi uniform. This charge against Iott is a smear, nothing more.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Oct 11 06:55:09 I actually don't see anything wrong here. Cantor does. Not clear why he would smear the teabagger. Establishent GOPers are mostly resentful of tea party patriots.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Oct 11 07:05:02 "Perhaps Cantor is not very well informed or perhaps his is a knee jerk reaction." Plus a lot of republicans are just as afraid of Tea Party candidates as the democrats. You need only look at Crist in Florida and that bitch in Alaska to see that.
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Oct 11 07:12:17 can you *IMAGINE* the tantrums hotrod would be throwing if a democrat did this? lol
Hot Rod Member	Mon Oct 11 07:16:17 LOL, now you are so bereft of creativity that you are mimicking Paramount. How much of an ass can you make of yourself after that?
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Oct 11 07:19:30 Actually, I first said it 4 seconds before paramount. Nor does the truth have a expire date. Meanwhile could you stop repeating ALL CAPS flames in every thread? It verges on repetitive spamming.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Oct 11 07:33:10 Paramount - Mon Oct 11 06:23:00 Milton Bradley - Mon Oct 11 07:12:17 Milton Bradley - Mon Oct 11 06:23:04 That would be 4 seconds *AFTER* Paramount. Can you make even one single post without telling a lie? Thought not. As for "repeating ALL CAPS flames in every thread" it was two threads with two different subjects both of which you have exhibited a total lack of any knowledge of whatsoever on the subjects. The only spam is where you C&P my post because of your total lack of creativity. Isn't it time for you to change your persona back to AH and make some vile and filthy comments about my deceased mother now that I have totally destroyed all of your arguments this morning.
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Oct 11 07:37:15 ^ Ignored until you have something other than childish flame fiestas.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Oct 11 07:42:39 LOL, exposing your lies constitutes "childish flame fiestas". What a pathetic joke you are. I have to go do something more important than waste anymore time on you, I think I have a dirty dish or something. Now do your little victory dance and make the last post. :)
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Oct 11 07:44:03 ^ Ignored until you have something other than childish flame fiestas.
General Populace Member	Mon Oct 11 09:02:04 "Of course he is a "Nazi", and everyone who dons the Confederate Gray for Civil War reenactments all keep a black person in their basement that they beat every night like Simon Legree did his slaves. " Dress as SS soldier is different than being a regular soldier. It's like Confederate reenactors dressing as slaver owners versus just the soldier, which they understood moreso the issues surrounding the Civil War. One link with video and I'm sure Hot Rod will ignore it, but posting it anyways; http://www...ing-house-candidate-rich-iott/ And more... "The juice came with new "Real Time" correspondent, The Atlanticâ??s senior editor Josh Green (we miss Matt Taibbi, hope to see him again soon) Green discovered GOP candidate Rich Iott, running for Ohioâ??s 9th Congressional District, is a Nazi war criminal re-enacter, because he admired the Third Reich's Wehrmacht prowess. Mr. Iott, who is strongly backed by the Tea Party, is part of a group that dresses in German Waffen SS uniforms and participates in Nazi re-enactments. Green broke the news on Bill Maher's HBO show. Mr. Iott, who confirms his involvement with the group, denies any belief in the principles of Nazism. â??Itâ??s purely historical interest in World War II,â?? he told the Atlantic." Videos included: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/news/article_1590276.php/Bill-Maher-s-Real-Time-off-O-Rourke-vexed-Sorkin-and-Tea-Party-Nazi-lover-Iott We'll see the "Libertarian" run away.
Glenn Beck Member	Mon Oct 11 09:09:14 I dressed as a Nazi too.
Carter Member	Mon Oct 11 09:13:20 I invented Nazism. It's all my fault.
Forwyn Member	Mon Oct 11 09:45:13 "Dress as SS soldier is different than being a regular soldier. It's like Confederate reenactors dressing as slaver owners versus just the soldier, which they understood moreso the issues surrounding the Civil War." Do you know of any famous elite slaveowner groups that committed actions similar to the SS? No? Because there is no comparable group in the Civil War to the SS. This is just another reason American politics are made fun of around the world. However, even Europe is likely to buy into this one, because it has something to do with WWII and the Jews.
Becks Imploding Eyes Member	Mon Oct 11 09:48:19 The SS were the very worst of the nazis, in fact the regular army often detested them. It was Adolf Hitler's will that the Waffen-SS never be integrated into the army, it was to remain the armed wing of the Party and to become an elite police force once the war was won.[2] During time of peace, it remained under the control of Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler's SS organization, through the SS Führungshauptamt (SS operational command office). Waffen-SS veterans were denied many of the rights afforded to veterans who had served in the Heer (army), Luftwaffe (air force) or Kriegsmarine (navy). On 13 April 1934, by order of Himmler, the regiment became known as the Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler (LSSAH).[6] The Leibstandarte demonstrated their loyalty in June 1934 during the Night of the Long Knives, the purge of the Sturmabteilung (SA). The Night of the Long Knives on 30 June 1934 saw the killing of approximately 82 SA men, including almost its entire leadership, effectively ending the power of the SA. This action was largely carried out by the Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler.[5] In September 1934, Adolf Hitler authorized the formation of the military wing of the Nazi Party and approved the formation of the SS-Verfügungstruppe or SS-VT, special service troop under Hitler's command The Schutzstaffel (German pronunciation: abbreviated SSâ??or Runic "â?¯â?¯" with stylized "Armanen" Sig runes â??was a major Nazi organization under Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. Built upon the Nazi ideology, the SS, under Heinrich Himmler's command, was responsible for many of the crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Nazis during World War II, and most of the particularly egregious ones. The SS was formed in 1925 as a personal guard unit for Nazi leader Adolf Hitler The SS grew from a small paramilitary unit to a powerful force that served as the Führer's "Praetorian Guard" According to the Nuremberg Trials, as well as countless war crimes investigations and trials conducted over the past sixty years, the SS was responsible for the vast majority of war crimes perpetrated under the Nazi regime; in particular, it was the primary organization which carried out the Holocaust. As a part of its race-centric functions, the SS oversaw the isolation and displacement of Jews from the populations of the conquered territories, seizing their assets and transporting them to concentration camps and ghettos where they would be used as slave labor (pending extermination) or immediately killed. Initially a small branch of the Sturmabteilung ("Storm Detachment," abbreviated SA), the SS grew in size and power due to its exclusive loyalty to Hitler Under Himmler, the SS selected its members according to the Nazi ideology. Creating elite police and military units such as the Waffen-SS, Hitler used the SS to form an order of men claimed to be superior in racial purity and ability to other Germans and national groups, a model for the Nazi vision of a master race. Chosen to implement the Nazi "Final Solution" for the Jews and other groups deemed inferior (and/or enemies of the state), the SS carried out the killing, torture and enslavement of approximately twelve million people. As the Nazi party monopolized political power in Germany, key government functions such as law enforcement were absorbed into the SS, while many SS organizations became the de facto government agencies. To maintain the political power and security of the Nazi party (and later the nation), the SS established and ran the SD (Security service) and took over the administration of Gestapo (Secret state police), Himmler, the leader of the SS, was a chief architect of the Final Solution. The SS Einsatzgruppen death squads Himmler was responsible for establishing and operating concentration camps and extermination camps in which millions of inmates died of systematic mass gassing, shooting, hanging, inhumane treatment, overwork, malnutrition, or medical experiments. After the war, the judges of the Nuremberg Trials declared the SS and its sub-parts criminal organizations Himmler also received control of the Gestapo in 1934, and, that same year, Hitler had given the SS jurisdiction over all concentration camps.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Oct 11 10:03:10 GP, I already covered this. Do try to keep up. "I mean WWII historical reenactments does not mean he is anymore a Nazi than Civil War reenactments mean those taking the role of The South are racists. "Not long after the first HRS (Historical Reenactment Society) event in 1975 �¢?? an offshoot of American Civil War reenactment �¢?? World War II reenactors began to form permanent groups, each adopting the designation of a specific military unit that had served during the war. Some of the earlier of these organizations were 1st SS Division Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler reenactment group in Missouri and 352nd Infanterie Division 916th Grenadier Regiment II Bataillon 5 Kompanie reenactment group in New England. Since that time hundreds of units have formed worldwide, representing nearly every nationality involved in the conflict.[1] World War II reenactments also began in Canada around the same time, they evolving independently of their American counterparts." BTW, I watched your entire video. What I saw was a small group of giggling, flaming, far left liberals expressing their ignorance of not only the The Historical Reenactment Society, but of history itself. There is just no sense trying to reason with you people.
General Populace Member	Mon Oct 11 10:11:06 Apparently you didn't watch it or you have noticed; P.J. O'Rourke: Political affiliation; Libertarian Oh, isn't that quaint? S.E. Cupp: conservative political commentator Evidently you didn't watch it or you would have noticed them.
General Populace Member	Mon Oct 11 10:13:02 And history itself? Are you saying the SS were a nice bunch of gentlement who did not participate in heinous acts against various groups of people and only treated them to milk and Rote Grütze?
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Oct 11 10:13:36 "GP, I already covered this. Do try to keep up." So did we when we dismissed it as garbage. Please learn to read before you post.
General Populace Member	Mon Oct 11 10:15:48 Dismissed indeed. And if you had also watched the video, Richard Iott was quoted regarding the reasons as to why he participated as a SS soldier. But you missed that part as well, because you didn't watch the video.
Forwyn Member	Mon Oct 11 10:16:07 When did it become common for historical re-enactors to address only the groups with rosy histories? I'm rather upset you're making me argue alongside HR, so cut the horseshit.
General Populace Member	Mon Oct 11 10:17:50 Well, let me ask you, do you equate the Sons Of Confederates or other Civil War Reenactors with the KKK?
General Populace Member	Mon Oct 11 10:18:45 Do you equate the common german foot soldier as a Nazi?
General Populace Member	Mon Oct 11 10:20:38 Let's be honest, no soldier has a "rosey" history, but compared to certain sects as why they were created, more notably, the SS, why not choose a reeanctment to be US Soldiers in WWII? Why the SS?
General Populace Member	Mon Oct 11 10:23:12 What historical education and lesson are you going to learn portray the SS. Setting up extermination camps? Following the 'righteous path' of mein fuherer calling for the extermination of groups? Or would you be a german soldier that was only fighting for the fatherland and probably were ignorant of such activities or fighting for Nationalism versus some crazed maniacal dictator?
Forwyn Member	Mon Oct 11 10:27:25 I'm sure the are reenactments involving American soldiers, just as there are Civil War reenactments involving both sides(which I don't associate with the KKK). Playing the bad guy is generally more fun, and gets more spectators involved.
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Oct 11 11:10:59 I dont think it proves he's a nazi at all, nor do I think it proves anything more than perhaps poor taste and bad judgment. Comparisons to the american civil war etc aren't really apt anway, because the Nazis, in particular the SS, have earned a special place in history as the epitome of genuine evil. I think most people here are reacting to HR's immense hypocrisy in defending something we all know he and Beck would be freaking out about if this had been a democrat and generally rubbing his face in it. Such is the influence he has on the quality of debates at UP.
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Oct 11 11:12:18 * Also known as the hot rod effect, or THRE.
Forwyn Member	Mon Oct 11 11:12:57 ^^win
General Populace Member	Mon Oct 11 12:54:04 Not saying it makes him a Nazi, is precisely the idea of it being a poor taste and utter idiocy to participate in something that is total opposite of your platform to do. How often do you have ultra rightwingers and teabaggers paint just about anyone that disagrees with them or are liberal as "nazis". Then you have Hot Rod who is the "me too" person that wants to be relevant to echo more stupidity. And btw, I'm not the one who used the Civil War comparisons, that was introduce by Hot Rod, my argument against that is that Confederate Soldiers shoudn't be compared to the SS, because of the obvious differences.
Valishin Member	Tue Oct 12 13:13:52 Let me get this straight, reinactment in which he performs the role of the Nazi's makes him a Nazi. Fair enough, so while being a Nazi based on this criteria how does his reinactment as a civil war union infantryman, WW1 doughboy, and WW2 infantryman and paratrooper mesh with his status as a Nazi? Since apparently role-playing these roles means you hold those views what does all of this together make him other than interested in war history.
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 13:21:22 "I dont think it proves he's a nazi at all (...) most people here are reacting to HR's immense hypocrisy in defending something we all know he and Beck would be freaking out about if this had been a democrat and generally rubbing his face in it." vaseline: "Let me get this straight, reinactment in which he performs the role of the Nazi's makes him a Nazi" Durrr...
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 13:22:36 "Comparisons to the american civil war etc aren't really apt anway, because the Nazis, in particular the SS, have earned a special place in history as the epitome of genuine evil." vaseline - "how does his reinactment as a civil war union infantryman, WW1 doughboy, and WW2 infantryman " Durrr...
Valishin Member	Tue Oct 12 13:47:47 Did I specificlly quote you? "Comparisons to the american civil war etc aren't really apt anway, because the Nazis, in particular the SS, have earned a special place in history as the epitome of genuine evil." First off, load of crap. The Nazis were bad and horrible but no more so than Stalin, Pol Pot, Gengis Kahn or any number of historical figures associated with wide spread death and distruction. The Nazis did nothing to deserve any special consideration in that regard, including the holocost. That doesn't mean we shouldn't remember their horrific actions only that they aren't the end all be all of evil in human form. Secondly, even if your claim was accurate that makes them not worthy of historical study and rememberance how? If anything it makes remember what they did that much more important.
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 14:06:48 Oh come off it, you live in such total denial of everything in the real world. Slurring someone with 'you nazi' is far, far more common than saying 'you genghis kahn'. Communists seem to be used as much in the USA, but thats in the McCarthy-influenced USA alone. In the rest of the western world, slurring someone with 'you communist' doesnt infer evil, it would infer stupidity or naivety. The reason is because we dont pretend that commmunism = Stalin. The rest of the developed world knows that original communism at its core is a humanistic philosophy, albeit perhaps misguided and certainly abused by dictators, and not a purely racial, blind hatred.
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 14:07:54 Me - "the Nazis, in particular the SS, have earned a special place in history as the epitome of genuine evil." vaseline - "load of crap." Examine that. Don't you feel stupid when you see that?
habebe Member	Tue Oct 12 14:13:19 " in particular the SS, have earned a special place in history as the epitome of genuine evil" The Nazis yes, in general, but the SS? My GG grandfather was in the SS.
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Tue Oct 12 14:17:34 "can you *IMAGINE* the tantrums hotrod would be throwing if a democrat did this? lol" anyone remember the "marxist" incident where it took Rod 1/2 a thread to finally admit the guy wasn't a socialist, for which he then spent the rest of the thread saying that it didn't matter anyway because people would view him as a marxist? fun times.
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 14:17:47 "The Nazis yes, in general, but the SS?" The SS were the very core of the nazis, the worst of them, the concentration campers, the torturers, Hitlers private army, the secret police, the gestapo, the armed wing of the political nazi party. The rest was just the regular german army under the control of the nazi government.
Valishin Member	Tue Oct 12 14:27:42 I don't deny that europe and to a lesser degree the US has bought into Nazis as a symbol of evil. But as you point out, in a country like the US where the same criteria was given to Communists then one does not dominate over the other as symbols of evil, and rightfully so as both should be remember for the attrocities committed. You pretty much prove my point. Their being the symbol of "evil" is based on how the society in question has taught their childern about them. As time goes on someone else will come to the lime light and replace the Nazis as they get relegated to the equivilant to Genghas Khan. None of that justifies not learning about them however, in fact it makes learning about what they did and how they did it that much more important so we don't make the same mistakes in the future.
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 14:31:10 "I don't deny that europe and to a lesser degree the US has bought into Nazis as a symbol of evil." Yes you did. "You pretty much prove my point. " Huh? Durrr...stop wasting my time with garbage that you make up off the top of your head that makes no sense.
Valishin Member	Tue Oct 12 14:32:31 Feel free to refute my points.
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 14:33:39 Every single sentence you posted could be picked apart if I had the inclination. Im going to stop reading all your posts valishin. This is because your stupidity is as frustrating as hot rods, but you're not as evil as him, so rather than getting pissed at your idiocy and insulting someone who basically doesnt mean harm, Ill avoid reading your waste of time nonsense.
Valishin Member	Tue Oct 12 14:34:17 By all means do so. Claiming you can and doing it are two very different things.
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 14:34:59 I suffer repetetive stupidity poorly.
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 14:39:08 habebe, how do you feel about your GG?
jergul Member	Tue Oct 12 14:39:12 Historical re-enactment is a legitimate hobby in my mind.
jergul Member	Tue Oct 12 14:40:05 Now pictures of him re-enacting human flow issues into gas chambers would of course be a different matter.
Adolf Hitler Member	Tue Oct 12 14:43:38 habebe, your GG is classified as a war criminal, just as a point of interest.
habebe Member	Tue Oct 12 19:03:19 IDK, he never served in WWII, he left to the US in 1936.I wonder if he still would be considered a WC (not that it really matters since he died in like the 60's) He did however fight in the first WW IIRC for the Germans, but he was just a regular private then.
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