Utopia Talk / Politics / Firefighters watch home burn over $75 #2

Hot Rod Member	Wed Oct 06 10:08:56 Tue Oct 05 16:54:28 Firefighters in rural Tennessee let a home burn to the ground last week because the homeowner hadn't paid a $75 fee. Gene Cranick of Obion County and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat. "They could have been saved if they had put water on it, but they didn't do it," Cranick told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann. The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond. "We wasn't on their list," he said the operators told him. Cranick, who lives outside the city limits, admits he "forgot" to pay the annual $75 fee. The county does not have a county-wide firefighting service, but South Fulton offers fire coverage to rural residents for a fee. Cranick says he told the operator he would pay whatever is necessary to have the fire put out. His offer wasn't accepted, he said. The fire fee policy dates back 20 or so years. "Anybody that's not inside the city limits of South Fulton, it's a service we offer. Either they accept it or they don't," said South Fulton Mayor David Crocker. The fire department's decision to let the home burn was "incredibly irresponsible," said the president of an association representing firefighters. "Professional, career firefighters shouldnâ??t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up," Harold Schatisberger, International Association of Fire Fighters president, said in a statement. "They get in their trucks and go." Firefighters did eventually show up, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee. "They put water out on the fence line out here. They never said nothing to me. Never acknowledged. They stood out here and watched it burn," Cranick said. South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire. Cranick, who is now living in a trailer on his property, says his insurance policy will help cover some of his lost home. "Insurance is going to pay for what money I had on the policy, looks like. But like everything else, I didn't have enough." After the blaze, South Fulton police arrested one of Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge, according to WPSD-TV, an NBC station in Paducah, Ky. Police told WPSD that the younger Cranick attacked Fire Chief David Wilds at the firehouse because he was upset his father's house was allowed to burn. WPSD-TV reported that Wilds was treated and released. ****************************************** LOL @ the kid punching the fire chief. Pay the fee next time, cheapass.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Oct 06 10:10:57 Saw a clip of the woman who lived in the burned house this morning. She said about the fee, we just hadn't got around to sending it in.
ehcks Member	Wed Oct 06 10:11:19 "Firefighters did eventually show up, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee." Haha. Either pay the fee or vote to install a tax-funded fire department.
river of blood Member	Wed Oct 06 10:24:55 lol
john stark Member	Wed Oct 06 12:12:27 Lolz, I bet their tax bill is nice low though. Welcome to America under the tea party.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Oct 06 12:18:53 Can you also opt out of taxes that fund military? Say you are willing to pay the consequences, should the commies, aliens or muslims invade, don't defend my house. Don't thread on me! Rugged individualism all the way. I think its plausible.
Aeros Member	Wed Oct 06 12:20:24 I think its the other way around. Tax dodgers should be the first ones drafted to defend the nation. They can pay back what they owe on the front lines : P
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Oct 06 12:31:31 A 0.13 cent increase in property taxes on each household would be all it would take to fund fire services for the towns within the county." http://tro...0the%20County%20Commission.pdf Page 21
john stark Member	Wed Oct 06 12:37:47 No way in hell *I* am paying 13 cents to fund a fire department for a bunch of welfare sucking losers! (T)axed (E)nough (A)lready Now if you excuse me, I need to place a call with the scooter store, they can get me a *free* scooter.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Oct 06 12:56:41 "Hot Rod Member Wed Oct 06 10:10:57 Saw a clip of the woman who lived in the burned house this morning. She said about the fee, we just hadn't got around to sending it in. " When you saw her, did you get a hard on thinking about executing her?
river o blood Member	Wed Oct 06 13:07:09 water cures fire
River of Red Cells Member	Wed Oct 06 13:12:28 "CrownRoyal Member Wed Oct 06 12:31:31 A 0.13 cent increase in property taxes on each household would be all it would take to fund fire services for the towns within the county." " I knew you were a Satanistt
Amadeus Member	Wed Oct 06 14:00:10 The County does let residents opt into paying for fire service and fine and good. However, they also have a monopoly on fire services. You can subscribe to their service, or get nothing. Thatâ??s not the free market at work, thatâ??s a tax theyâ??re calling a fee but making optional. Cranick should have had the choice of several operations if youâ??re going to make it optional. If the answer is still no, then oh well. That aside, I would have personally done in the county as is done in the county or accepted the consequences. The fire department should have charged actual cost to be dispatched. That is what would happen if no residents paid the optional fee.
saiko Member	Wed Oct 06 14:00:36 "A 0.13 cent increase in property taxes on each household would be all it would take to fund fire services for the towns within the county." So right now only about 1 in 500 households pay the $75? That seems low.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Oct 06 15:07:27 i assume it means +13 cents for everyone (both inside & outside the city limits), the $75 is just people outside the city limits
Amadeus Member	Wed Oct 06 15:58:41 The county population is 31,375 but I highly doubt the entire country is extended the option. Land area: 545 sq. mi. Water area: 10.4 sq. mi. Population density: 58 people per square mile County population in July 2009: 31,431 (41% urban, 59% rural) County owner-occupied houses and condos: 9,431 Renter-occupied apartments: 3,751 Everything you would care to know about the county in question: http://www.city-data.com/county/Obion_County-TN.html
chen Member	Wed Oct 06 16:00:56 I've already made my points clear in the previous thread. Looking back on it today, it seems like Hot Rod and the HOer were just trolling or they actually are sociopaths.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Oct 06 16:21:21 chen, you want to hold a gun to the head of taxpayers and force them to pay for services that the dead beats 'forgot' to pay for and you call me a sociopath. I guess if I am against someone walking out of a grocery store with a cart full of food they didn't pay for that would make me a sociopath too. I guess you think stealing is healthy and paying for what you get is psychopathic.
chen Member	Wed Oct 06 16:24:42 This isn't about stealing groceries, retard. This is about driving to a house with a fire truck and watching it burn to the ground over a small amount of money.
ehcks Member	Wed Oct 06 16:27:49 Or it's about someone deliberately choosing to not pay for fire protection and then not getting it. While watching his neighbor's house be protected, of course. Until all fire fighters are volunteers, they need to be paid.
saiko Member	Wed Oct 06 16:29:09 I was wondering why they don't just give the guy a quote for the price of the entire intervention plus some overhead to fully cover their cost and maybe some profit. They could benefit financially. The fact that they don't give this option suggests some pretty horrible motivations on their part.
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 16:32:54 What if someone had been trapped in the home? They would just let them burn over 75$ Why wouldn't they just send over firefighters and then charge them for all the services rendered (gas, wages, water etc.) and the 75$ fee on top of that? Yes the 75$ fee should have been paid, but not showing up, and letting the fire spread, just seems completely irresponsible to me. They might have prevented the neighbour's houses from catching on fire if they had acted. I'd be pissed at the fire dept. if I happened to be the neighbour whose house caught on fire.
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 16:35:05 And yes, I would have been equally or even more pissed at my neighbour for starting the original fire that spread to my home. Don't they have a garbage dump to dispose of their waste?
chen Member	Wed Oct 06 16:36:03 Nope, apparently in rural America we burn our trash because we don't believe in global warming.
chen Member	Wed Oct 06 16:36:30 Recycling is what liberals do right rod?
Cloud Strife Member	Wed Oct 06 16:39:24 ` Yes the 75$ fee should have been paid, but not showing up, and letting the fire spread, just seems completely irresponsible to me. ' This is certainly true. One of the first rules of handling fires is to put them out. Failure to do so can lead to them spreading.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Oct 06 16:40:28 chen - This isn't about stealing groceries, retard. No. It is about expecting services for free that you failed to pay for. It is stealing. Let's assume you have fire insurance on your belongings and there is a fire where you suffer a substantial loss. Then assume you are well behind on your premium payments. Or you let your car insurance lapse. Or any kind of insurance that you have not paid the premiums on lately. What do you think will be the response of the insurance company when you present them with a $30,000 claim?
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 16:40:44 Yeah, what were they thinking? "Oh there's a fire? Call us when it hits your neighbour's house, they paid their fees. "
Cloud Strife Member	Wed Oct 06 16:41:27 ` No. It is about expecting services for free that you failed to pay for. It is stealing. ' Actually, it's about letting a house burn down because of some bureaucratic red tape. What if they had paid but it wasn't recorded correctly? What if the fire spread and burned a million acres. Not putting out a fire is incredibly irresponsible.
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Oct 06 16:44:55 And fucking inhumane to let the family stand there and watch their lives and pets burn when they've got a fucking fire truck with them. They should be shot.
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Oct 06 16:46:15 Not surprisingly hot bastard wants the fire dept to only be available to people who can afford them, disgusting cunt that he is.
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 16:46:47 They should have just been charged the complete cost of the operation to put the fire out, that would have been the responsible and appropriate thing to do. And not having home insurance isn't going to burn down your neighbour's house. What is someone had been trapped in the house, Hot Rod? Are you seriously saying no professionals should have helped them. You're going to let someone die over 75$ Seems kind of heartless to me.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Oct 06 16:46:47 cloud - What if they had paid but it wasn't recorded correctly? What if the fire spread and burned a million acres. The home owners had not "got around to" mailing in the payment. The fire department stopped the fire at the property line of their client that had paid the fee.
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Oct 06 16:47:52 ^ Wants to murder 1,000,000,000 children, women, elderly and men. Evil fucking whore.
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 16:50:59 Besides, if you don't have car insurance you can always get your car fixed under the table, like. It's not like most people have the training or equipment available to put their own fires out, especially an outdoor fire, or have access to private fire-fighting companies they could have called to do it for them. At the end of the day, they could have made more money and saved other people the pain of dealing with fire, if they had just charged them for the cost of the operation, and the 75$ fee, after they put the fire out. If they didn't pay up, you could always take them to court.
Cloud Strife Member	Wed Oct 06 16:52:15 Hot Rod is so stupid, and cruel. It's laughable. Can't even understand hypotheticals.
chen Member	Wed Oct 06 16:53:42 "The fire department stopped the fire at the property line of their client that had paid the fee." This is probably a little fire department in a rural area. Suppose a few wind gusts pick it up then all of a sudden you're dealing with fire on 3-4 properties. They were fortunate this time that the fire didn't damage a larger area, but this shouldn't be the model our country starts looking to. This can easily be a much more catastrophic disaster the next time this happens which will require reinforcements at a higher cost than it would be just to put out the damn fire to begin with.
saiko Member	Wed Oct 06 16:55:01 "This is probably a little fire department in a rural area. Suppose a few wind gusts pick it up then all of a sudden you're dealing with fire on 3-4 properties." It's also a state monopoly.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Oct 06 16:55:22 TH - Besides, if you don't have car insurance you can always get your car fixed under the table, like. If the car is totaled and unrepairable then you are just out of luck. TH - It's not like most people have the training or equipment available to put their own fires out, especially an outdoor fire, or have access to private fire-fighting companies they could have called to do it for them. But they did have access to such a fire department. All they had to do is pay the $75 fee.
chen Member	Wed Oct 06 16:55:54 Hot Rod wants them to go on welfare and food stamps to recover which is more expensive than just putting out the fire because he's a true conservative.
Amadeus Member	Wed Oct 06 16:56:54 "I was wondering why they don't just give the guy a quote for the price of the entire intervention plus some overhead to fully cover their cost and maybe some profit. They could benefit financially. The fact that they don't give this option suggests some pretty horrible motivations on their part." Well said. If no one has a fire and pays 75 bucks it is assured income for their budget without any service rendered. It seems to be the motive that stands out. You can bet the analysis arriving at the number of 75 wasn't pulled from the clear blue sky. I'm not against it so much being done that way if the option of paying actual cost was available. I imagine that was an example set for those who don't pay because house fires aren't that frequent of an occurrence in such a sparsely populated rural section.
saiko Member	Wed Oct 06 16:58:36 Yeah, I guess their revenue is skyrocketing now. And the fellows who stood by got a raise.
saiko Member	Wed Oct 06 16:59:21 With any luck, their collective raises will offset the financial setback of the destroyed house.
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 17:00:21 Yes, but being out a car is slightly more tolerable than having nowhere to call home. I'm not saying they shouldnt have paid the fee, or that they were right to not pay it. There was a fee and they were responsible for it, the fee really should be mandatory since it could affect those around you. But the consequence of not paying the fee shouldn't be just letting them burn, not when lives are at risk or other properties, surely an alternative and more responsible action could have taken place.
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Oct 06 17:02:17 "Hot Rod is so stupid, and cruel. It's laughable. Can't even understand hypotheticals. " QTF
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Oct 06 17:02:34 * QFT
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 17:03:16 The fire dept. is responsible for letting the fire spread, not entirely granted, but still responsible. If I were the neighbours I'd be look at some sort of legal recourse against both parties.
Amadeus Member	Wed Oct 06 17:16:36 I imagine a lawsuit is in the near future. Guess the local Fulton government didn't think about all the possibilities arising from such an incident especially if the family could have paid the actual cost.
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 17:21:28 It seems only fair. Both parties, the fire dept. and the people who set the fire, need to compensate the neighbours for their stupidity.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Oct 06 17:21:37 TH - The fire dept. is responsible for letting the fire spread, not entirely granted, but still responsible. "Firefighters did eventually show up, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee." It was a city fire department that had to drive out to the country, I see nothing that says they didn't get there as soon as they could.
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 17:28:37 They could have got there when the fire first started, when the original call for help took place, thus preventing, or at least trying to prevent, any further spread of the threat. Surely, Hot Rod, you would have to agree that the threat could have been better contained if it was tackled at an earlier time. Surely that can be said of any threat. Letting it linger, until it becomes a problem for an actual "customer" seems reprehensible. If they could have gotten their sooner, surely they had the responsibility to do so, if only to prevent the fire from spreading to other people's houses or land.
chen Member	Wed Oct 06 17:37:57 Hot Rod doesn't think. He just parrots whatever the fox news tells him. The fox news said this guy is a deadbeat that deserves everything he owns to go up in flames.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Oct 06 18:11:15 TH - They could have got there when the fire first started... They did not start the fire. It takes time to get there and by the time they reached the fire it had already spread to the neighbors yard. Let's face it, they didn't stop for nosh on the way.
Madc0w Member	Wed Oct 06 18:15:42 Hot Rod's more worried about people paying the $75 fee for a fire department that puts out the house fire of someone that didn't pay the fee than he is about the people whose house burnt down. To him, the only victims are the people who paid their money. Fucking disgusting.
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 18:26:35 How long had the fire been burning before it hit the neighbour's property and they contacted 911? They have a duty to stop fire when and where it starts, not when it spreads to fee paying neighbour. I'm not saying they did stop for coffees, but they didn't respond when they should have. When the fire started at the source. Yes it takes time, but they could have gotten there earlier if they had responded to the fist call for help, not after the second call from the neighbours.
Tragically Hip Member	Wed Oct 06 18:28:35 Even the president of the fire fighter's association agrees with me, Hot Rod, surely you can't argue with an expert? Unless ofcourse, money is the only authority you heed? :-p
so what Member	Thu Oct 07 07:21:04 Hot Rod Wed Oct 06 17:21:37 They did not start the fire. It takes time to get there and by the time they reached the fire it had already spread to the neighbors yard. Let's face it, they didn't stop for nosh on the way. Hot Rod Tue Oct 05 16:54:28 LOL @ the kid punching the fire chief. Pay the fee next time, cheapass. -------- Hmmm... So you retract your prior juvenile comment; it had nothing to do with paying or not paying the fee, but all to do with the distance? So it wouldn't have mattered anyway whether they paid the fee or not, the firefighters wouldn't have gotten there in time at all. Furthermore the ones who paid the fee were lucky that the firefighters answered the call of the other house, else their house also would have burnt down. What if the situation was reversed, the firefighters answering the call of the feepayers, but too late to help them and ending up saving the house of the ones who didn't pay the fee?
Hot Rod Member	Fri Oct 08 07:18:49 TH - Unless ofcourse, money is the only authority you heed? :-p I'm an Objectivist.
saiko Member	Fri Oct 08 07:21:37 Evidently your objective is the fiery end of civilization.
Hot Stick Member	Fri Oct 08 07:36:45 The socialists got what they deserved. Why do they expect free handouts? They tried to steal and the firemen didn't let them.
Hot Stick Member	Fri Oct 08 07:40:49 Every socialist should have to see their house burn down.
Hot Stick Member	Fri Oct 08 07:45:11 If Hussein didn't pay his fireman bill do you think the democrats would bend the rules for him and stop the whitehouse from burning down? If so why does Hussein get special treatment?
chen Member	Fri Oct 08 17:37:32 "For he who doth not pay the fee may he and his belongings be covered in flame. Thou whom tryeth to helpeth shall also meet a fiery end. And thy firefighters shall watch unless paid in full. The evil underlord Obama tryeth to tempteth to not pay, but do not be tempted. He wants an evil communist society and will smote your first born!" -Hot Rod reading from the Book of Beck
saiko Member	Fri Oct 08 18:36:29 More readings from Dixit Bechvs at 5.
Canadian Member	Fri Oct 08 18:52:04 "I'm an Objectivist" - I'm beginning to understand - you pay the object for the service.
Milton Bradley Member	Fri Oct 08 19:29:08 The odds of having a house fire are negligible so the guy that didn't pay the $75 was betting on a near sure thing. Unfortunately you can't buy stupidity insurance for Cranicks' grandson.
Tragically Hip Member	Fri Oct 08 19:35:16 You'll have to explain that one a little, Hot Rod, in the context of the situation.
Davey Avenger Member	Sat Nov 20 09:55:57 set davey free
Nimatzo Member	Sun Nov 21 10:55:48 Oh my, I actually missed this thread, thank goodness someone bumped it out of oblivion. Really Hot Rod? Are you fucking serious? Not even YOU can believe this shit. You MUST be trolling!
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 10:58:22 No, unlike you I do not expect something for nothing.
Milton Bradley Member	Sun Nov 21 17:25:57 Worst answer ever
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 18:08:54 LOL@MB, Another one who wants to sponge off the government at someone elses expense. It is like any other insurance, you fail to pay your premiums and you don't get the benefits. Tell me, what insurance company will pay out on your life insurance policy if you have not paid your premiums? What about accident insurance, try filing a claim fo an accident when your payments are in arrears. Had one of the owners gotten sick and ran up a $100,000 in hospital bills they would have lost that house for lack of insurance. Damn you liberals are so fucking stupid with your diminutive little brains so filled with altruism you are totally lost in the reality of the world we live in.
Madc0w Member	Sun Nov 21 18:13:21 To HR, the worse crime in this situation is someone who didn't pay a small fee having their house fire put out, rather than the firemen just standing by and watching a house burn to the ground, and then putting out the next door neighbor's fire. What a fucking sociopath.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 18:15:50 Good old *GIMME A FREEBIE MADCOW*. I knew I could count on you for some stupid shit.
Madc0w Member	Sun Nov 21 18:20:27 We just have different priorities. To you, not paying $75 justifies firemen watching a house burnt down. You would not pay $75 to keep their house from burning to the ground, because you'd see yourself as the victim. Me, I would have been willing to pay the money to save their house. You are a disgusting bastard.
ehcks Member	Sun Nov 21 18:20:36 Let's let the free market decide who gets fire department coverage. Let's let the free market decide who gets police service. Let's let the free market decide who gets to go to the ER for actual emergencies. Let's let the free market decide who doesn't have to eat rotted diseased meat. Let's let the free market decide who gets clean running water. Let's let the free market decide who has to send their children to work in factories. Let's let the free market decide who gets to vote.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 18:26:27 Then you should have paid the fee for them ***BEFORE*** it burned down. Here is an idea, send them a check or, better yet, contact them and set up a fund to help them rebuild. You should start a fund and go around thye country paying those fees for those who forget. What's the matter, altruism is only a valid concept if you can do it with 'Other Peoples Money'?
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 18:31:13 ehcks you stupid shit, that is the fourth time you brought that up in this thread alone. Go suck on Isaakson's balls, Im sure it will increase your IQ.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 18:38:10 Ass Hole you stupid shit. The Washington D.C. fire department is answerable to Congress and Congress has The White House covered. Until you know something about our country you should STFU.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 18:41:29 Can you believe that stupid Ass Hole compared The White House with a couples, who doesn't pay their bills, farm house.
Hot Stick Member	Sun Nov 21 18:48:57 "Hot Stick Member Fri Oct 08 07:45:11 If Hussein didn't pay his fireman bill do you think the democrats would bend the rules for him and stop the whitehouse from burning down? If so why does Hussein get special treatment?" Why can't the *LIEBRALS* answer a simple question?
chen Member	Sun Nov 21 19:32:26 Ronald Reagan and Sarah Palin would never forget fire department bills.
Hellfire Member	Sun Nov 21 19:48:17 I really hate having to agree with Hot Rod but if you don't pay for a service you can't complain when that service isn't provided to you. "I was wondering why they don't just give the guy a quote for the price of the entire intervention plus some overhead to fully cover their cost and maybe some profit. " While that may make sense, that's not what the deal was. If they wanted that deal they should have gone through whatever democratic processes are available to have it instituted. I'm not going to fault the fire department for the irresponsibility of the homeowner.
chen Member	Sun Nov 21 19:56:48 We've been over this 100 times. When you're dealing with an unpredictable event like a fire it's irresponsible to simply let it burn itself out. A lit cigarette can burn down thousands of acres if managed poorly. The fire department was fortunate there was no wind gusts that turned the fire into something bigger than their small department could handle.
Hellfire Member	Sun Nov 21 20:15:22 "When you're dealing with an unpredictable event like a fire it's irresponsible to simply let it burn itself out. " Well, the county should have considered that when determining how they would provide fire services to residents. If they want the services they have to setup the system for it, not depend on charity at the last minute.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Nov 21 20:55:36 One thing you can guarantee there now though: All of those $75 payments are up-to-date.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 21:18:53 "I was wondering why they don't just give the guy a quote for the price of the entire intervention plus some overhead to fully cover their cost and maybe some profit. " Whomever wrote that let me ask you a question. While they were negotiating a "fair" last minute payment for the service such as, past due payments (They may have to check with billing to know how many), then they have to calculate the fireman's wages, wear and tear on the fire equipment, water needed and all of the other expenses. And once you have the figure you need a lawyer there to write up the agreement. LET'S FACE IT, IF THE COUPLE ARE SUCH DEAD BEATS THEY DON'T PAY THEIR BILLS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A RIGHT TO A COLLATERALIZED CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THEIR EXPENSES ARE COVERED. Meanwhile the fucking house would have burned to the ground anyway. Here is a thought, why don't one of you stupid shits research and see if the insurance on their belongings was paid out? And if it was not, why. Was it becase they did not pay the fire department fee or didn't they pay their fire insurance premiums either?
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 21:25:29 Has anyone noticed that after I suggested the stupid altruistic liberals get off their asses and help those people, and other folks like them, they all ran away?
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Nov 21 21:42:08 HR's rationale for his pedophilia # 375: Lil Davey did not pay his no ass plundering fee.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 21:44:08 renzo = too fucking stupid to know what the subject is.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 21:48:37 Just as I thought, he is one of the bitches that wear pink and suck dicks. http://www...va0vGU7RU&size=normal&usedef=1
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Nov 21 21:51:08 I'm not clicking that linke but I see that it is on facebook. Pretty clear that HR tries to pick up young boys off of facebook.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 21:55:57 LOL, you stupid shit. I typed in your tag and that is what came up. I bet you wear womens undies too. Isn't it your turn in the barrel tonight? Better hurry, your buddies will be disappointed if they don't get their dicks covered in your shit you stupid homo.
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Nov 21 22:01:35 Barrel? HR reveals more and more about how he tortures Lil Davey with every post.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 22:05:01 LOL you stupid ass, even Ass Hole is more creative than that. You just landed the lowest position on the fouum. You best change your tag to 'stupid whale shit' because you can't get any stupider than that.
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Nov 21 22:09:03 Do you keep the barrel in your crawlspace? Or is it somewhere else?
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 22:13:10 Where is Ass Hole when you need to raise the IQ of this discussion, rm just can't cut it.
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Sun Nov 21 22:23:13 End of Line
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 21 22:23:24 LOL @ run away renzo
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