Utopia Talk / Politics / Repub Gov. Candidate Breaks Law

Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 16:08:20 Meg Whitman, the Republican candidate for California governor, is facing accusations that she knowingly employed an illegal immigrant as her housekeeper and nanny for nine years. Gloria Allred, the lawyer for the maid, said at a press conference today Whitman made the worker â??feel exploited, disrespected, humiliated, and emotionally and financially abused.â?? Allred claims Whitman never asked for papers and knew the woman, Nicandra Diaz-Santillan, was undocumented, but allowed her to remain an employee. Allred is filing a claim for Diaz-Santillan for unpaid wages and mileage reimbursement. Whitmanâ??s campaign has fired back, providing TMZ with documents Whitman says were used by Diaz-Santillan to fake her status. The housekeeper was fired after she admitted her status, according to the candidate. â??As required by law, once we learned she was an illegal worker, I immediately terminated Nickyâ??s employment,â?? Whitman said in the statement. Of course, Whitman isnâ??t alone in employing an illegal immigrant as a maid: The Pew Hispanic Center estimated in 2009 that 27 percent of maids and housekeepers in the U.S. are undocumented. But some think it could throw a wrench in her campaign, particularly her faltering effort to reach out to Californiaâ??s large Latino population. She also seems likely to be accused of hypocrisy given her stated positions on immigration enforcement. Her campaign website advocates holding employers accountable for hiring undocumented workers, stating â??We are never going to solve the problem of illegal immigration as long as there is strong demand for undocumented labor.â?? http://was...ng-an-undocumented-housekeeper So my question, when Whitman discovered about this, why in the hell did she not report her?
roland Member	Wed Sep 29 16:11:08 Dont ask dont tell!!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 29 16:11:20 Allred is such a media whore
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 16:14:26 I don't care about the stupid fucking lawyer! I care about the fact that she had discovered this person was illegal, had knowledge of this, and yet did nothing about it?
Forwyn Member	Wed Sep 29 16:18:19 Colin Powell: Illegal Immigrants Fix My House Former Secretary of State Urges Republicans to Support Path to Legal Status for Undocumented Workers http://www.../19/politics/main6882567.shtml
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 16:20:03 Oh that is disturbing Forwyn.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 29 16:20:55 maybe saying "hi, i accidentally employed an illegal immigrant for 9 years, please deport her" doesn't sound too good
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 16:22:20 Well she did it unknowingly at the time. Like I said, once discovered why not report it?
river of blood Member	Wed Sep 29 16:34:08 "So my question, when Whitman discovered about this, why in the hell did she not report her?" Because she's not an employee of the U.S. Immigration Department? Who the fuck wants to do their work for them for free? Fuck that noise. We work half of every year to pay the government to do shit for us - they had damned well better do it without requiring our additional free labor to help them out.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Sep 29 16:39:54 given she was the housekeeper for 9 years they were probably on friendly terms... and even if not, reporting an illegal isn't just something that many people would do... takes effort, is somewhat mean-spirited, probably won't benefit you, etc and in this case as a politician, keeping it hidden seems a good idea even if it was an honest mistake... attack ads are easy enough even without having any help
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 16:51:38 She no longer worked for her from the minute she found out she was illegal. What would be the sense in reporting her, the girl would have been given a piece of paper and told to show up for a hearing. I think the question is why doesn't ICE have her locked in a cell right now waiting deportation. While we are at it, why isn't Obama's auynt in the same cell with her.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 16:53:47 *-aunt
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 16:55:36 What's a auynt? "She no longer worked for her from the minute she found out she was illegal. " Right. This has been established. But it was Whitman's duty once discovered to file the report. Aren't you fake conservatives all about punishing businesses that hire illegals? "I think the question is why doesn't ICE have her locked in a cell right now waiting deportation. " Who is to say that isn't about to happen now?
Nekran Member	Wed Sep 29 16:56:35 Weren't you on a tangent about the duty of reporting crimes only a few days ago, HR?
John Adams Member	Wed Sep 29 16:58:28 "While we are at it, why isn't Obama's auynt in the same cell with her. " Onyango was granted political asylum in 2010. That's why.
John Adams Member	Wed Sep 29 16:58:54 "Weren't you on a tangent about the duty of reporting crimes only a few days ago, HR? " Yes he was.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 17:05:29 Nekran - Weren't you on a tangent about the duty of reporting crimes only a few days ago, HR? Do you really need for me to explain to you the difference between what I would like to see happen in the worls, and the way the world actually is?
river of blood Member	Wed Sep 29 17:10:25 Yes. Please completely humiliate yourself again for the 8 millionth time for us.
Nekran Member	Wed Sep 29 17:11:56 No, but I could use an explanation as to the relevance of that question to this thread. You would like to see people report crimes, unless it's in the real world? No... I don't get it.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Sep 29 17:12:44 Thats unfair, he only meant niggers should report nigger crimes
river of blood Member	Wed Sep 29 17:13:29 LOL, hot rod is such a mindless fuckwad.
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 29 17:16:55 "Hot Rod Member Sun Sep 26 09:34:23 asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa, if I am aware of a crime I report it no matter who committed it. My guess is you never turn in the poor underprivileged minorities. " *We're always watching*
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 17:19:51 My question has gone unanswered.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 17:20:13 Oh and good find archivist.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Sep 29 17:25:00 so hotrod will now be filing a police report against Whitman?
Memory Lane Member	Wed Sep 29 17:27:09 Memories in the corner of my mind. ------------------------------------------------- Hot Rod Aug 7th, 2008 8:19 PM I think Gutierrez should be arrested and tried for aiding and abetting the criminal activities of millions of illegal aliens that are in this country illegally. http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1071486 ------------------------------------------------ Using HR's logic this would apply to Whitman too for aiding and abetting the criminal activity of an illegal immigrant.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Sep 29 17:27:36 My guess is he will never turn in the rich privileged minorities.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 17:33:24 LOL.
garyd Member	Wed Sep 29 18:19:52 Waht an idiot. The campaign provides documentation that as soon as she discovered the maid was here ilegally she terminated said maid. Disgruntled employee fired for cause sues boss lies in affadivit. Not ewxactly man bites dog here.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 18:24:30 Why didn't Whitman turn her in?
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Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 18:32:58 LOL!!! I admit I almost fell out of my chair with that.
Ninja Member	Wed Sep 29 19:12:44 "The campaign provides documentation that as soon as she discovered the maid was here ilegally she terminated said maid." right, 9 years of working for Whitman and Whitman had no clue and was unable to discover the maid's true immigration status. What does she take us for?
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 19:32:15 Ninja, do you know for an absolute fact that everyone you come in contact with regularally or occasionally is in this country legally? How would you know.
I will lie lie lie Member	Wed Sep 29 19:32:34 ^
I will lie lie lie Member	Wed Sep 29 19:33:26 ""Hot Rod Member Sun Sep 26 09:34:23 asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa, if I am aware of a crime I report it no matter who committed it. My guess is you never turn in the poor underprivileged minorities. "" Hot Rod Aug 7th, 2008 8:19 PM I think Gutierrez should be arrested and tried for aiding and abetting the criminal activities of millions of illegal aliens that are in this country illegally. http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1071486 ------------------------------------------------ Using HR's logic this would apply to Whitman too for aiding and abetting the criminal activity of an illegal immigrant.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 19:56:47 Well I really don't have to report her now do I beings the story is a matter of public record. Moron.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 20:13:58 You were called stupid all your life, weren't you?
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 20:25:58 Tell you what Dickhead, go down to the INS tomorrow and report Meg Whitman for having an illegal alien employee for nine years. Be sure to tell them we call you Dickhead on the forum here.
Hellfire Member	Wed Sep 29 20:29:30 "Ninja, do you know for an absolute fact that everyone you come in contact with regularally or occasionally is in this country legally? " This isn't about "coming in contact with". This is about her employing this woman for 9 years as a nanny and maid while advocating punishing companies that have hired illegals.
Y2A Member	Wed Sep 29 20:30:45 "So my question, when Whitman discovered about this, why in the hell did she not report her?" Because maybe she has a soul and realizes that it was not worth ruining someone's life over something as arbitrary as a piece of paper?
Cloud Strife Member	Wed Sep 29 20:30:45 Did she advocate punishing INDIVIDUALS who hire illegals? Huh? Cuz if she didn't!
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 20:32:25 It's the sheer principle of the fact that due to her stance on illegals, once she discovered how she committed fraud and broke many other laws, why didn't she take the initiative to report her to the authorities? You have made the same stances before HR. Why are you not holding her up to the same standards? Why are you contradicting yourself in regards about criminal activity being reported? Why are you a dumbass?
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 20:35:57 "Because maybe she has a soul and realizes that it was not worth ruining someone's life over something as arbitrary as a piece of paper? " Indeed, especially now since she being sued with the help of Gloria give me all the attention you can Alred. My point is about this thread. You have these people who are against illegal immigration and want to deport them in masses, or penalize institutions that hire them, or go after those who have knowledge that they are illegal but fail to report it. There is a term for that, I wonder what that is called..... I want the "conservatives" to explain this one.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 20:55:33 Hellfire - This isn't about "coming in contact with". This is about her employing this woman for 9 years as a nanny and maid while advocating punishing companies that have hired illegals. OK, how about everyone known for 9 years. Do you or anyone ever ask them if they are legal? Has anyone *EVER* asked someone if they were legal or not, no matter how long they were known. I'm sure Whitman checked her references when she hired her and those references checked out. How often during those 9 years should she have asked the girl if she was sure she was legal? All you people want to do is trash someone, you *NEVER, EVER, NEVER* think things through.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:01:08 Incorrect, you never think things through. This is precisely how I thought you were going to react along with the other "conservatives". You preach about how businesses or such hire illegals and should be held accountable and take responsibility. This has been hashed and rehashed and there are many threads debating these particular points. Once it was discovered that this person was actually an illegal who had forged documents. As a person of such integrity to run the state and had other political aspirations, why did she not take the step to identify this person was here illegal. For you to ignore the double standards that you and garyd, or others point out. Why is it that you are not critical of Whitman? It's easy to find the answer, because you are a hypocritical hack as always and always it's revealed. Meaning you have no principles, no convictions, and only trumpet and present yourself as a person of convenience.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:01:52 Thank you for participating in my little experiment, you have proved my theory, which is something we already knew, quite well.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:03:14 Before you try to defend your stance, and let's be honest, you have not defense, I want to reiterate this that was previously mentioned: "Hot Rod Member Sun Sep 26 09:34:23 asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa, if I am aware of a crime I report it no matter who committed it. My guess is you never turn in the poor underprivileged minorities. "
Hellfire Member	Wed Sep 29 21:11:59 "OK, how about everyone known for 9 years. Do you or anyone ever ask them if they are legal? Has anyone *EVER* asked someone if they were legal or not, no matter how long they were known. " Again, this isn't about "known". This about someone hired. "How often during those 9 years should she have asked the girl if she was sure she was legal? " Well, as a Conservative touting how people who employ illegals need to be punished, probably day 1 and at any point it became feasible to do more comprehensive checks of her ability to work in this country legally. I'm not the one saying pushing punishing illegal immigration but Whitman is... all while being part of the problem. Frankly, I don't give two shits about the immigration side of this, I care about her being a hypocrite.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:16:35 As easily provable again, HR is a champion of hypocracy, being a notable hypocrite himself.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:18:55 "You get more stupid with every post, you really don't see the difference between an individual hiring an illegal with references and a packing house hiring several hundred with questionable ID. Why not change your tag to leadbrain. " Of course you don't see it, its convenient for you.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 21:33:03 You are the one who can't see the difference leadbrain.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:37:50 If you are claiming that Whitman is not her employer then you are a fool, which is already a known fact.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 21:42:13 She was for nine years, as I understand it the girl was fired as soon as she was found out.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:43:45 Yes, this was established. Now, why didn't she report her?
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 21:48:33 Asked and answered in this thread.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:49:24 As were my points about your hypocracy as well.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 21:50:27 All proven false.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:52:33 Incorrect. You haven't just like the other thread proven otherwise. Especially when you and others have gone on records on the issue of illegal immigration regarding the practices of those who participate in it and how employers should do their part and be held accountable. GG.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 21:55:57 You keep asking the same questions over and over, you have been answered and proven wrong.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 29 21:57:05 Negative. GG.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 29 22:08:25 "I report all crimes." "What's the point to report the maid?" -Axis of Retards Hot Rod
garyd Member	Wed Sep 29 23:23:11 The campaign provided copys of the false documents Ms Whitman was given. She had no way to know the documents were false and unless you wish to take things even further than the Arizona law no reason to look further.
Republican Rod Member	Wed Sep 29 23:38:05 ^falls into the trap.
Church Law Member	Wed Sep 29 23:54:56 "condoms are not effective" -Garyd
Hellfire Member	Thu Sep 30 02:29:48 "She had no way to know the documents were false and unless you wish to take things even further than the Arizona law no reason to look further. " Really? No way? Or she was just too lazy to go for something like a credit/background check? If there is no way to figure this shit out, how are we ever to deport illegal aliens? We all know she could have figured it out if she really wanted to. Either she is a hypocrite or she's playing to her base and either way she is disingenuous.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 30 04:43:24 Campaign stunt: a bunch of garbage Debra J. Saunders San Francisco Chronicle September 30, 2010 04:00 AM Thursday, September 30, 2010 Read more: http://www...9/EDT61FL1KI.DTL#ixzz110KXFxgp "What did Meg Whitman know and when did she know it?" publicity hound attorney Gloria Allred asked Wednesday. It was a savvy close to a news conference at which client Nicandra Diaz Santillan, who worked as a housekeeper for Whitman, alleged that Whitman knew that she was an illegal immigrant, then fired her in 2009 as she prepared to run for governor. Turns out, there are reasons to believe that Whitman did not know that Diaz was illegal when she hired her in 2000. The campaign released copies of the Social Security card and immigration eligibility verification form presented by Diaz when she was hired. By Allred's account, these documents are phony. Having exhibited a willingness to fake legal status, the housekeeper's credibility is damaged. I've known smart people who thought they were following the law in demanding documentation, only to find out later that they were duped. In this case, Diaz also presented a driver's license. DMV spokesperson Jan Mendoza tells me, "It was a valid driver's license." California did not require proof of legal residence until 1994. Diaz got her first license in 1991. To any voter who ever has hired a nanny, gardener or housecleaner, this would appear to be due diligence - especially for a 15-hour per week job that, according to Diaz, paid $23 per hour. This story goes to the heart of the dilemma that faces Californians who welcome legal immigrants, but also believe in respecting federal law. What was Whitman supposed to do, not trust Diaz because she has an accent? Allred repeated Whitman's assertion during Tuesday night's gubernatorial debate: "We do have to hold employers accountable for hiring only documented workers. And we do have to enforce that law." That's why, Whitman says, she fired Diaz when she realized she was illegal. At the press conference, Diaz complained that she felt as if, after nine years' service, Whitman "was throwing me away like a piece of garbage." Whitman called firing Diaz "one of the hardest things I've ever done." What proof does Allred have that Whitman knew? Allred alleges that the Social Security Administration sent a letter informing the Whitman household that their housekeeper's Social Security number did not match her name. Whitman and her husband deny having seen such a letter. So far, Allred has failed to produce it. "If Ms. Whitman would like to dispute our claims of what she knew and when she knew it, then she should be prepared for the release of evidence," Allred said. And you thought the burden was on the accuser. "This entire political circus is targeted at one demographic," said Whitman spokesman Tucker Bounds. "New polling numbers show that Jerry Brown is nearly losing in the Latino community. This is a political play." Brown spokesman Sterling Clifford released a statement that hit Whitman for showing "that she thinks the rules don't apply to her. After more than a year of Whitman demanding immigration policy that 'holds employers accountable,' we learn that accountability doesn't extend to her own actions." Without proof that Whitman knew about Diaz, that's a cheap unsubstantiated shot from the Brown camp. E-mail Debra Saunders at dsaunders@sfchronicle.com. This article appeared on page A - 14 of the San Francisco Chronicle Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/29/EDT61FL1KI.DTL#ixzz110KIbOFv
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Sep 30 08:53:34 Why didn't she report the illegal when it was discovered?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 30 08:59:52 MB, better question. Why isn't the maid in a jail cell right now awaiting deportation?
Prophet Member	Sun Oct 03 14:23:40 Using as reference.
garyd Member	Sun Oct 03 15:50:23 She had info from a 3rd party that the Maid was legitimately in this country. Why would you check further? Wouldn't that be profiling?
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Oct 03 23:09:51 Yeah, brilliant thinking dumbass! Just about everyone that is hired has a background check done, so that means the third party, if there was one, was profiling and that's an 'injustice'. Seriously, do you even think before you speak? Or does it sound so good in your head that when you typed it out it was just plain stupidity? Really dumbass, if once she found out this person was an illegal, why didn't she report it, why didn't see go to the 'third party' and say, "are you aware that you hired someone with false records regarding this citizenship in this country?" Would have been simple to do that to show that you have some sort of integrity portraying that you are tried of such businesses hiring illegals or that fact use that as another avenue for your platform saying that these are one of the many issues regarding illegal immigration. Fuck no, she just threw her to the curb and hope that it wouldn't ever come back up. Fucking dumbass.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Oct 03 23:15:19 Fucking liberal hacks have shit for brains.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Oct 03 23:44:08 No, thats you for your entire life, dropout.
Hellfire Member	Mon Oct 04 00:02:55 "Whitman and her husband deny having seen such a letter. So far, Allred has failed to produce it. "If Ms. Whitman would like to dispute our claims of what she knew and when she knew it, then she should be prepared for the release of evidence," Allred said. And you thought the burden was on the accuser. " Except they did produce it. Way to post old articles retard.
Trolly McCool Member	Mon Oct 04 18:34:39 I WANT NEW MULTIES!!!
Milton Bradley Member	Tue Oct 05 07:36:29 "So far, Allred has failed to produce it." hotrod lies again.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Oct 05 07:53:56 That is what the article said moron, all I did was post it. If, as you claim, the letter *HAS BEEN PRODUCED* can you supply a copy of it that has appeared in the media, or are you claiming that piece of paper she claims she has constitutes "producing" it.
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