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Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 08:29:20 Pentagon Destroys Copies of Controversial Memoir Written by Army Officer Published September 25, 2010 | FoxNews.com The Pentagon has burned 9,500 copies of Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer's memoir "Operation Dark Heart," his book about going undercover in Afghanistan. A Department of Defense official tells Fox News that the department purchased copies of the first printing because they contained information which could cause damage to national security. The U.S. Army originally cleared the book for release. The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency attempted to block the book about the tipping point in Afghanistan and a controversial pre-9/11 data mining project called "Able Danger." In a letter obtained by Fox News, the DIA says national security could be breached if "Operation Dark Heart" is published in its current form. The agency also attempted to block key portions of the book that claim "Able Danger" successfully identified hijacker Mohammed Atta as a threat to the United States before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Related Video video Exclusive Interview With Author of Book Blocked By Pentagon 9/11 hijacker identified before attacks? Click here to read the full DIA letter (pdf) Specifically, the DIA wanted references to a meeting between Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, the book's author, and the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, removed. In that meeting, which took place in Afghanistan, Shaffer alleges the commission was told about "Able Danger" and the identification of Atta before the attacks. No mention of this was made in the final 9/11 report. Shaffer, who was undercover at the time, said there was "stunned silence" at the meeting after he told the executive director of the commission and others that Atta was identified as early as 2000 by "Able Danger." "Dr. Philip Zelikow approached me in the corner of the room. 'What you said today is very important. I need you to get in touch with me as soon as you return from your deployment here in Afghanistan'," Shaffer said. Once back in the U.S., Shaffer says he contacted the commission. Without explanation, the commission was no longer interested. An inspector general report by the Department of Defense concluded there was no evidence to support the claims of Shaffer and others. But Fox News has obtained an unredacted copy of the IG report containing the names of witnesses, who backed up Shaffer's story when contacted for comment. Atta was the alleged ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers and piloted American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center. Shaffer spoke to Fox News before he was asked by the military not to discuss the book. He confirmed efforts to block the book and other details. Calling the move "highly unusual," he explained that the book had already been cleared for release when the DIA stepped in. "Apparently, Defense Intelligence Agency took exception to the way the Army cleared the book," he told Fox News. The DOD says Shaffer and the bookâ??s publisher â??voluntarily agreedâ?? to remove what it deemed to be classified information prior to the bookâ??s first printing. â??Given the sensitive nature of this request and the potential damage to national security, the Department of Defense had every reason to believe that this would be handled with the utmost discretion by all of the parties. Unfortunately, someone disclosed to the press these ongoing efforts before the Department of Defense had the opportunity to finish working with the publisher on a corrected version,â?? a DOD official told Fox News. The DOD is currently working with the publisher to â??mitigate the resulting effects of the disclosures,â?? the official said. The documents and exclusive interviews, including an Army data collector on the Able Danger Project, are part of an ongoing investigation by the documentary unit "Fox News Reporting" which uncovered new details about American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and efforts by the FBI to track and recruit him for intelligence purposes after 9/11. Fox News' Catherine Herridge and Jennifer Griffin contributed to this report. http://www...l-memoir-written-army-officer/
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 08:32:05 Title of the thread inaccurate.
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Mon Sep 27 08:37:20 Hasnt stopped him before. Remember: "Wed Sep 22 14:05:22 Hot Rod Jun 18th, 2008 1:56 PM I will tell lies about the democrats because I think they are more dangerous than the republicans.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 08:38:30 Why? Isn't Obama The CIC of the armed forces or not? The books were burned on his watch. If he can continue blaming Bush for the problems he inherited, he can damned sure start taking responsibility for what is clearly his fault.
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Mon Sep 27 08:40:28 Or when it isnt.
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 27 08:41:14 your mom Rod. Was she burned too or did they dump her in a hole?
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 08:43:42 "Isn't Obama The CIC of the armed forces...?"
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 08:49:03 Title of the thread is inaccurate. That's all.
Honest Politician Member	Mon Sep 27 08:50:10 "Related Video video Exclusive Interview With Author of Book Blocked By Pentagon 9/11 hijacker identified before attacks? Click here to read the full DIA letter (pdf)" I disagree
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 08:51:00 How is it in accurate? Isn't the DOD an integral part of his administration?
Paramount Member	Mon Sep 27 08:52:18 How many brain cells have you burned today, Hot Rod?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 27 08:53:25 almost as many as the braincells they burned when his mom was shovelled into the flames
Aeros Member	Mon Sep 27 09:23:19 That would the Defense Intelligence Agency, who are not an integral part of his Administration.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 09:33:46 "A Department of Defense official tells..." I thought you were in the military.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 10:31:58 Weren't you the one that was in support for the wikileaks guy to be arrested, taken out, or whatever for his role in releasing senstive information that could because detrimental to the US military in Afghanstan and beyond? Choose your answer carefully....
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 10:31:59 Title of the thread is inaccurate. That's all. "Wed Sep 22 14:05:22 Hot Rod Jun 18th, 2008 1:56 PM I will tell lies about the democrats because I think they are more dangerous than the republicans. http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1065832
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 10:32:27 *could be detrimental...
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 10:40:14 That is still disturbing no matter how many times it is read. How can you live with yourself for saying such things?
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 10:52:44 Thanks to threads documenting Molester Rod's lies and hypocrisies, he can no longer "pull the Children" by feigning innocence and pretending that those lies never took place.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 14:48:43 LOL. Aeros is too weak to even admit a blatant error like that one.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 14:53:56 Here is a blatant error: Discount can go to 1000%
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 15:03:15 Give it up ass hole, you were trolled and fell for it hook, line and sinker just like the other fools.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 15:07:09 Let me get it straight. You purposefully posted something stupid to make yourself look bad so that you could "troll" the forum? I see. This is an amazing strategy. To make yourself look like a retard so that you could "troll."
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 15:16:12 You do it all the time fool. I was making fun of your reaction, not my action. Now go away, you are no longer needed here.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 15:18:47 That's weird. I did not participate in the discussion before you claimed that discount could go up to 1000%. So, you made "fun" of my non-existent "reaction" before I even participated in the thread? Amazing.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 15:22:05 Hot Rod, weren't you the one that was in support for the wikileaks guy to be arrested, taken out, or whatever for his role in releasing senstive information that could be detrimental to the US military operations in Afghanstan and beyond? Choose your answer carefully....
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 15:24:39 GP, didn't you notice. I ignored that question.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 15:25:14 ^faggot coward
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 15:30:16 And what is this profound reason as to why you ignored such a question? I am quite interested, please do explain...
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 15:39:26 I pick and choose which multis I discuss issues with as is my privilege. You are not one of them.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 15:41:05 lulz. All molester Rod does is to pick on little kids to molest. He can't carry on a conversation with any adults.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 15:52:32 He can't answer because again he will be caught in a contridiction and sea of hypocracy.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 16:14:25 Another addition to my thread!
roland Member	Mon Sep 27 16:16:37 Wonder what HR think about Wikileaks again.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 16:19:51 roland, I think as I did before. They have committed a crime IMHO. The soldier that leaked the information should be tried for treason.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 16:21:42 Not sure if anyone at wikileaks can be tried or not unless they are arrested in US territory.
roland Member	Mon Sep 27 16:26:03 So it is OK for people to leak sensitive information in a book, but not on a website?
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Sep 27 16:27:12 durrrr
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 16:32:01 "The U.S. Army originally cleared the book for release." But that is not the problem I have with this issue. What galls me to the marrow is The United States under Obama has sunk to burning books. If they don't want the books distributed then buy them up, with taxpayer money if they must, but bury them in a forgotten warehouse somewhere. IMHO it is a mortal sin to burn a book. The information is already out there anyway.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 16:33:16 And there we have it folks, further hypocritical nonsense from our resident, retarded geriatric.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 16:34:49 Of course we all know HR never gets the full story of anything. The first editions of books were destroyed, the next editions that are out or are coming out will have black marks in the books. But hey, who cares about facts? Hey, who cares about being a walking contridiction and a hypocrite as long as it suits your agenda and lies to spread.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 16:35:53 "IMHO it is a mortal sin to burn a book." ...I would hate for someone to venture through the archives to......well, I'll just say I will leave it at that.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 16:39:53 GP - The first editions of books were destroyed... That is why I choose not to talk to fucking idiots like you. Advance copies were sent out to reviewers and major purchasers. That is what they do with books.
NeverWoods Member	Mon Sep 27 16:43:00 I hope they burn every single copy of atlas shrugged.Worst book ever written so everyone would celebrate such deed.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 16:46:32 An entry has been made into my thread documenting molester Rod's faggotry and stupidity.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 16:48:54 btw, molester rod thinks that it is a mortal sin to destroy books, but it is apparently ok to hope that the creator of Wikileaks would be hanged. But then again, molester rod thinks several billion people on earth should die so that 250 million people that are left could exploit the earth without worries.
roland Member	Mon Sep 27 16:49:48 "The U.S. Army originally cleared the book for release." That is certainly a point in dispute, because the army has said they have not approved the book, and has only find out about the book when the manuscript was printed. Besides, DIA said the book contain sensitive material, should their view be ignored?
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 16:57:46 NeverWoods - I hope they burn every single copy of atlas shrugged.Worst book ever written so everyone would celebrate such deed. That is because you are a Nazi.
NeverWoods Member	Mon Sep 27 17:00:44 No, i am just so anti stupid books by stupid people for stupid people. You are the fascist here dear fake rod.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 17:01:35 roland - Besides, DIA said the book contain sensitive material, should their view be ignored? Of course not. If there is sensitive information in it that has a valid reason to be kept confidential then it should be. My problem is with burning books. AFAIK only Nazis burn books.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:02:39 Nothing was inaccurate to what I've posted. Versus your inaccurate title of this thread regarding the content. This is why I take my time to talk to stupid motherfuckers like you because I like to exploit your hypocracy and contradictions. It's a high.
cloud strife Member	Mon Sep 27 17:03:43 Would it be better if they recycled the books?
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:05:36 "My problem is with burning books. AFAIK only Nazis burn books. " Only Nazis burn books? You really want to make a big issue out of this because manuscripts were burned. Question, did you not profess your support for those who wanted to burned the Quran? You cited it was a matter of freedom of speech.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Sep 27 17:06:16 "AFAIK only Nazis burn books." Another great entry!
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 17:13:19 cs, good question. Off the top of my head it sounds like a better idea. However, it depends on the books contents. In the case of the Colonel's book, probably yes *IF* the information is erroneous. If the book is factual or in the case of Atlas Shrugged that Nazi NeverWood wants to destroy because he wants to suppress ideas that he does not believe in, then no. That is why I was so vehemently opposed to burning the Quran. I don't believe in the ideas, but they are ideas. So it boils down to content I suppose. But one needs to be very careful making the decision
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:21:34 Question, did you not profess your support for those who wanted to burned the Quran? You cited it was a matter of freedom of speech.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 17:22:44 GP - You cited it was a matter of freedom of speech. It was a matter of Freedom of Speech, something you outworlders know little about. But *THE GOVERNMENT* does not have the Freedom of Speech to burn books. It is different when the government does it. Are you really that ignorant or are you trolling again. Eiter way go away.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:22:50 "That is why I was so vehemently opposed to burning the Quran. I don't believe in the ideas, but they are ideas." Oh you opposed, really? Did you really?
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:24:14 "But *THE GOVERNMENT* does not have the Freedom of Speech to burn books. It is different when the government does it." That is of course if there happens to be sensitive date pertaining to the operations of the US military in Afghanistan, which is what they rule, which is why they chose to destroy those books, only where not future editions will have black boxes through out it's literature.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:26:55 Are you really that fucking braindead and pissed off that due to sensitive information that could cause harm to our military operations including the undercover work that our troops or other agents are doing that you want to ridicule the DIA and inaccurately say it's Obama's fault, for the books to be destroyed via fire?
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:34:11 But let's step away and come back to focus on the real issue; You say the wikileaks guy should be condemned for such sensitive information being released, including those who are releasing it. Now you have a guy who seek the approvale to write a book which was permitted but had to be reviewed and due to some of it's content that may be critical to our efforts and hinder its processs, you are all pissed off about it? I honestly don't see why you are upset about this?
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:34:35 Waiting....
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:37:40 Please, I want to see more of your hypocracy. Go ahead... you have the floor.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 17:40:58 I'm through chewing my cud twice. Go back and read the thread. Then stop bothering me.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 17:44:31 This is your admission of being a hypcorite?
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 17:49:17 ^-A fool's fool.
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 18:02:40 A hypocrite till the end. ^
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 27 18:14:41 "Go back and read the thread. Then stop bothering me."
General Populace Member	Mon Sep 27 20:24:53 A hypocrite till the end. ^
roland Member	Sat Oct 16 18:23:40 "My problem is with burning books. AFAIK only Nazis burn books. " So the point you have to problem with is the two cases deserved to be treated differently because of the way the information is distributed. That is pretty shallow of you buying into all these labelling and sloganeering.
Milton Bradley Member	Sat Oct 16 18:29:36 I didnt think it was even worth posting the obvious retardation that hotrod would be fine with burning the servers the information is stored on but incensed about burning the paper the information is stored on.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 16 19:09:57 MB, why are you so afraid of me? Fear must be your motivation otherwise you would not make up such obvious lies. roland - So the point you have to problem with is the two cases deserved to be treated differently because of the way the information is distributed. When are you going to learn? "The U.S. Army originally cleared the book for release." Perhaps they did not have the authority to clear the book, but Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer did not know that. He really did nothing wrong. Whereas the soldier who stole the Secret Documents and turned them over to Wikileaks had no such authorization. You need to stop listening to the liars on this fiurum.
Milton Bradley Member	Sat Oct 16 19:20:14 Dont worry, we've all given up listening to you. Thats why you get 'jeered off the board' these days, to quote you.
roland Member	Sat Oct 16 19:21:15 "Tony Shaffer did not know that. He really did nothing wrong." He worked for the DIA at a pretty high level position, and doesn't know the rule regarding the handling the confidental information?
Milton Bradley Member	Sat Oct 16 19:22:30 hotrod is spinning faster than reagan in his grave
mexicantornado Member	Sat Oct 16 19:27:07 HR, if you are a true conservative, stick to conservative principles and you will be proven right. Do not be a Shawn Hannity.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 16 19:57:19 roland - He worked for the DIA at a pretty high level position, and doesn't know the rule regarding the handling the confidental information? Good point. If Shaffer did an end run on The DIA, and knew better, then he probably should be prosecuted too. However, this "Secret" sounds more like one of the cover ups I mentioned earlier rather one that puts peoples lives in danger or anything to do with operational secrets. "Specifically, the DIA wanted references to a meeting between Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, the book's author, and the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, removed. In that meeting, which took place in Afghanistan, Shaffer alleges the commission was told about "Able Danger" and the identification of Atta before the attacks. No mention of this was made in the final 9/11 report. "Dr. Philip Zelikow approached me in the corner of the room. 'What you said today is very important. I need you to get in touch with me as soon as you return from your deployment here in Afghanistan'," Shaffer said. Once back in the U.S., Shaffer says he contacted the commission. Without explanation, the commission was no longer interested. An inspector general report by the Department of Defense concluded there was no evidence to support the claims of Shaffer and others. But Fox News has obtained an unredacted copy of the IG report containing the names of witnesses, who backed up Shaffer's story when contacted for comment. Atta was the alleged ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers and piloted American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center."
adolf hiTler Member	Sat Oct 16 20:01:06 "However, this "Secret" sounds more like one of the cover ups I mentioned earlier rather one that puts peoples lives in danger or anything to do with operational secrets. " hot shit debates *exactly* the same way as the religious debate. Carl Sagan calls it bogus pseudo-science.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 16 20:05:46 There you go roland. You can believe your own eyes, or you can believe that lying sack of shit Rudolph.
adolf hiTler Member	Sat Oct 16 20:06:12 ^ the irony lmao
adolf hiTler Member	Sat Oct 16 20:12:48 yo hot liar, not only are there several threads devoted to your lies, theres even a whole site full of 'em. Its pretty funny reading the utter bare faced lies you've been telling at UP for years. Here, knock yourself out: http://theaxisofupretards.sweetphp.net/
Squirrely Wrath Member	Mon Oct 18 08:41:58 "Babies should be confiscated and burned like any other narcotic." -Hot Rod Jul 9th, 2008 6:38 AM
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