Utopia Talk / Politics / A Teabagger's Belief 2 System

miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 10:35:45 A compendium for studying molester Rod's beliefs and sayings. (NB: I am going to compile a list of retard Rod's greatest sayings and post them here. They will come with links for easy indexing.) 1. Alligators are dinosaurs http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=38599 2. Separation of church and state is different from separation between church and state. http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=38584&time=1285016678224 3. Because dinosaurs are reptiles, dinosaurs are still alive http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=38599&time=1285017594345 4. Boycotting someone is a violation of that person's 1st Amendment rights. http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=38605&time=1285114229126 5. You are a chickenshit if you create multis http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=38605
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 22 11:03:08 ^-TROLL THREAD
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Sep 22 11:13:54 "when you organize a boycott to achieve political ends you are violating the business' property right by initiating force, or coercion as jergul pointed out. " Lol, remember hotrods multiple rant-threads about boycotting the dixie chicks?
Hot Rod Member	Wed Sep 22 11:14:46 I don't.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 11:21:03 I bet the person who will be doing most of the trolling in this thread will be molester Rod.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Sep 22 11:21:19 Of course you lie that you dont. Noone here expects any less from you
the archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:28:08 maybe you should start a blog forum or something where we can post a collection of hot rods lies? I know hundreds of them.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 11:29:11 "Lol, remember hotrods multiple rant-threads about boycotting the dixie chicks?" Yep. This is why a thread like this is important. To prevent the constant lying from Pedo Rod.
the archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:30:50 There are so many examples of his hypocrisy it would rival the TC list. Things like: Hot Rod Jul 12th, 2008 3:58 PM LIBERAL DIES: Conservative - R.I.P. Liberal - He was The Second Coming CONSERVATIVE DIES: Conservative - R.I.P. Liberal - Good Riddance to the no good sleaze bag baby killing SOB You liberal never fail to show how much class you really have. Sociopaths = Liberals who don't even have the decency to offer a simple R.I.P. Shame on you. _____________________________________- Hot Rod Member Sat Aug 29 02:38:37 They should bury the bastard in a garbage dump, not Arlington National Cemetery where brave men are buried.
the archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:31:41 Hot Rod Member Tue Dec 15 19:24:54 And America has become even more beautiful since Carlin died.
the archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:32:36 Liberal Member Thu Oct 22 09:19:41 You might think that is what you meant, but *I KNOW* what you really meant. ____________________________________________ Hot Rod Member Fri Sep 04 06:30:39 I will never understand how you think you can possibly know what is going on in my mind. You ask a question, I give you a simple, straightforward, *TRUTHFUL* answer and you sit there if front of God and everyone and declare that is *NOT* what I really meant. ________________________________________ Hot Rod Member Sun Sep 06 20:18:36 I am trying to be patient with you. I do not care how you interpreted it. Your interpretation is your opinion of what *you think* I said. DO NOT TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK I MEANT. YOU ARE NOT SOME FUCKING GOD THAT KNOWS MY THOUGHTS. Now please bugger off.
the archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:34:35 purvis Member Mon Dec 07 07:56:53 Do you think that killing 1 billion people of a religion is in line with the religious tolerance a social liberal would generally hold?" "Hot Rod Member Mon Dec 07 08:09:00 Not *this* Social Liberal, and you are a bald faced liar if you claim I ever seriously said such a thing." ________________________________________________ "Hot Rod Member Fri Oct 30 08:13:03 I think the ones that should be killed are those that believe that Islam is the one true religion and that all infidels should be exterminated. Along with the fanatics that believe an insult to the prophet should be punishable by death, or those that murder their family members for leaving Islam. They are the ones that are a danger to us. There you are approaching the one billion mark I believe."
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 11:37:20 "maybe you should start a blog forum or something where we can post a collection of hot rods lies? I know hundreds of them." It's better to use this forum for now as I have just started to compile his lies. Once I have collected a decent number of his lies (which I don't expect will take more than a week or so and molester Rod lies all the time), maybe a blogroll will be a more appropriate depository.
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:38:40 There are two archivists on this forum. It's probably a good idea for this particular poster to mind what they say.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 11:39:26 "I think the ones that should be killed are those that believe that Islam is the one true religion and that all infidels should be exterminated." This is a classic post from the Pedo Rod. Unfortunately, I can no longer find a link to this post.
the archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:39:56 Trying to shift blame to sam adams instead and pretending he was only joking: "Hot Rod Member Tue Dec 08 07:10:25 You have me confused with Sam Adams. He is the one promoting genocide." "Hot Rod Member Wed Dec 09 15:15:29 As I said earlier, show me where I seriously said that. God you people must be dickless to be that stupid. I say something like that in jest, an obvious exaggeration, and you people make a Federal Case od it. Sam Adams says he wants to nuke the entire Middle East every time a Muslim is mentioned and you say nothing. Sounds like penis envy to me." Hot Rod Member Wed Dec 09 04:17:48 BTW, when this crap started I asked for a serious quote by me where I said a billion Muslims should die. If you think I was serious then I submit that in the back of your minds you think that it is possible that nearly one billion Muslims believe that all infidels should be killed. Otherwise, if you were engaged in an honest debate, you would be attacking me for making such an *obvious* exaggeration. ___________________________________________ then confirming he wasnt joking: Hot Rod Member Sun Aug 01 11:48:49 Here you go AH, not that truth or logic or the meaning of words has any effect on you. So there you have it. If my caculations are correct I want to get rid of less than one billion Muslims. That would leave in excess of 200 million Muslims to 300 million Muslims according to some and over 1/3 of the world wide Muslim population according to some others. Since the *MEANING* OF genocide is "The deliberate destruction of an entire race or nation." I obviously do not promote genocide. Which makes you one ogf the bigges fucking liars on the board because you keep accusing me of wanting to obliterate all of the Muslims based on that quote. Not to mention it makes you the biggest asshole on this forum. ----------------------------------------- Then deleting the 1 billion line: Hot Rod Member Mon Dec 07 08:50:49 "I think the ones that should be killed are those that believe that Islam is the one true religion and that all infidels should be exterminated. Along with the fanatics that believe an insult to the prophet should be punishable by death, or those that murder their family members for leaving Islam." Where does it say, "killing 1 billion people?"
the archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:41:25 "This is a classic post from the Pedo Rod. Unfortunately, I can no longer find a link to this post. " http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=26020
the archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:47:32 hotrod giving a spelling and math lesson i the same thread, another classic http://ata...thread=2784&time=1221434972008 Which continued into this thread; http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=2805
the archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 11:53:09 it seems noone remembers that hot rod also lied for years about his other tags? The guardian-gate was just yet one more lie about his identity. In fact he used to start whole threads ranting about him not being hot rod, angel, JPJ, etc and blaming The Liberals for lying...
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 12:16:38 6. Nearly 1 billion Muslims should be killed http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=26020 7. After he deleted the quote, Pedo Rod pretended that he never said it http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=26020 8. Because Alaska produced 14.3 percent of all the oil from US and produced 2.4 percent of all BTUs the US consumes, it must mean that Alaska produced 16.7% of all the oil and gas in the US http://atarchive.gotdns.org:8080/UtopiaForums/boardthread?id=politics&thread=2758
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 12:20:56 " The guardian-gate was just yet one more lie about his identity. In fact he used to start whole threads ranting about him not being hot rod, angel, JPJ, etc and blaming The Liberals for lying..." See Item 5: "You are a chickenshit if you hide behind multis." Another hilarious hypocrisy from Pedo Rod.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 22 12:22:19 I like the one where he went internet rambo and threatened that he will not long back down from insults and that if we insult him he will return it to us tenfold or whatever.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 12:25:36 I will include it if a link is provided!
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 22 12:27:28 Ah hell, wish I had it, it was in the past few weeks when he finally got fed up with shit...
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Sep 22 12:36:32 Dont forget that he is an anti-racist. Remember when he used to rant about how a black guy once told him that nigger was the most hurtful insult he ever heard and that he hated racists? The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:13:21 mf, I didn't include yopu in being a closet homosexual. We all know how much you love those big juicy nigger cocks with their cum drooling down your chin. The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:17:06 Why not call them what they are? It is obvious what they are trying to hide. That is what I respect about you, you are not ashamed of sucking nigger cock. Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:35:23 You still got that big juicy nigger cock up your ass queer? Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:59:16 So you consider sucking those great big juicy nigger cocks to be mentally healthy. Well as long as you consider yourself virtuous you just go right aheadd. Just don't bite down. Hot Rod Member Wed Jul 07 00:07:59 Who you got at the plate tonight? Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton? http://www...hread=36586&time=1278479933111 Hot Rod Moderator Tue Aug 26 08:08:42 Stupid shit face foreigner, can't even read English. Hot Rod Member Mon Sep 13 07:03:24 Is it your mother or your father that is a nigger. Renzo says it is your dad, I say it is your mother. http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=38319&time=1284379648991
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 12:38:33 All good stuff. The entire entry will be included if another thread warrants it.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 12:39:21 Edit: if another thread is warranted.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Sep 22 12:45:41 Hot Rod Jul 27th, 2008 1:17 PM I'm on your side Kilo, I wish there was no such thing as racism. Hang in there, Someday maybe. Hot Rod Jul 27th, 2008 1:43 PM That is where you are wrong. Not in my lifetime, and perhaps not in yours but, if the human race lasts long enough, it will end. I was racist when I was younger, that is what I learned from the society I lived in. But, over the years, I learned *NOT* to be a racist. So there you have two White guys from a Slave State that learned not to be racists. Hot Rod Jul 27th, 2008 9:20 PM I don't have a hard time with Black people because I treat them with respect. I do not expect them to kow tow to me. You are a racist of the worst sort. http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1069983
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:04:36 A classic ----------------------------------------------- Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Fri Aug 28 07:43:28 2009 , You have 0 new messages. Chat on the IRC server here Utopia Talk / Politics / rolands $4 Trillion Wars Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 03:36:47 roland - That didn't affect your support of a $4 trillion dollars wars... Can you give me a breakdown on those expenditures? Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 03:53:55 roland - *if you want to *CONTINUE*, please *CONTINUE* that in *THOSE* threads. * Well? hoER Member Tue Aug 25 03:54:44 He said if YOU want to. Not HE wants to. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 03:58:24 So in other words he told another huge great big fat lie he is not able to back up. Guess we should all just start calling him liar. hoER Member Tue Aug 25 04:00:29 In other words, no. You just did when you accused him of lying though. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 04:02:59 Hey, all I want is a breakdown on the costs of the wars that add up to $4 Tillion. Shouldn't be too hard if it is the truth. Is it? hoER Member Tue Aug 25 04:05:11 So where did he lie? Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 04:08:55 "a $4 trillion dollars wars..." I don't believe the two wars combined cost anywhere near that amount. I want to see his numbers. How did he arrive at that amount. He made the claim, show me or he should admit he did not tell the truth. NeverWoods Member Tue Aug 25 04:23:56 http://costofwar.com/ Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 04:26:44 Thanks NeverWoods. Assuming that is correct, and I will take your word that it is a valid link, that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that roland posted a lie. roland Member Tue Aug 25 04:27:41 "Well? " Stop thinking everyone is like you who glue yourself to the screen for every remaining seconds of your life, HR. No one do that, if you can't stop wetting yourself, get another hobby. "Can you give me a breakdown on those expenditures? " The figure is $3 trillion, not 4 trillion as I remembered it incorrectly. Stiglitz & Bilmes (2006) estimated the cost of the wars if we have started to draw down our troop level in 2006 in the following link. http://www.epsusa.org/events/aea2006papers/stiglitz.pdf But we didn't withdrew in 2006, instead, we expanded the troop level with the surge strategy. Stiglitz & Bilmes (2008) reviewed the cost and estimated the cost to be about $3 trillion. http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7528/76863288.jpg You can also look up the book on Google http://books.google.com/books?id=kh4El0tzIuYC&dq=Stiglitz+trillion+paper&client=firefox-a&source=gbs_navlinks_s Nimatzo Member Tue Aug 25 04:28:14 So it's 900 billion. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 04:42:57 roland, that is an *ESTIMATE* put forward by Harvard University. Give me the government number that prove your $3 Trillion claim, they are available. It does not wash. Waiting patiently. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 04:44:01 BTW, Harvard is a hotbed of liberal thinking. NeverWoods Member Tue Aug 25 04:45:49 WASHINGTON â?? At the outset of the Iraq war, the Bush administration predicted that it would cost $50 billion to $60 billion to oust Saddam Hussein, restore order and install a new government. Five years in, the Pentagon tags the cost of the Iraq war at roughly $600 billion and counting. Joseph E. Stiglitz, a Nobel Prize-winning economist and critic of the war, pegs the long-term cost at more than $4 trillion. The Congressional Budget Office and other analysts say that $1 trillion to $2 trillion is more realistic, depending on troop levels and on how long the American occupation continues. roland Member Tue Aug 25 04:45:59 "roland, that is an *ESTIMATE* put forward by Harvard University. " What's the matter, they are an estimate based on sources from various government agencies. Just like the 1 trillion dollar healthcare plan cost is an *ESTIMATE* done by the CBO. So, one estimation is Ok, and another estimation is not? NeverWoods Member Tue Aug 25 04:46:26 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/washington/19cost.html roland Member Tue Aug 25 04:54:05 "BTW, Harvard is a hotbed of liberal thinking. " Lol, that's not an argument, you can argue the CBO are full of liberal thinking academics too. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 04:57:10 roland, "Give me the government number that prove your $3 Trillion claim, they are available." I'm not interested in the final cost, your original statement clearly indicates costs to date. "That didn't affect your support of a $4 trillion dollars wars on terror." Neverwoods, on the link to the CBO in the ny times article, what page are their numbers on. http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/congressional_budget_office/index.html?inline=nyt-org Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 04:58:36 roland, there is a simple solution. Give me the government figures to date. roland Member Tue Aug 25 05:04:40 "I'm not interested in the final cost, your original statement clearly indicates costs to date." No, my original statement did not indicate which cost I am referring to. The fact I am talking about the trillions would indicated that I was talking about the total cost for anyone with a brain. And even if you are unsure about it, you should ask. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 05:15:40 In other words your claim is bogus. Costs to date = less than $1 Trillion for both wars. Troops in Iraq have pulled out of the cities and their numbers will be reduced by nearly 2.3 in the coming months. To reach a cost of even $3 Trillions the war in Afghanistan will have to continue for many years. Been fun, as usual. NeverWoods Member Tue Aug 25 05:18:28 "Getting at the true cost of the war is difficult. Expenses like a troop increase were paid from the base defense budget, not war bills." roland Member Tue Aug 25 05:23:03 "In other words your claim is bogus. " My claim is bogus if I actually make such claim, but I did not. You lying piece of shxt. "To reach a cost of even $3 Trillions the war in Afghanistan will have to continue for many years. " The $3 trillion included interest on the money we borrowed, medical support for the vets, long term military present or foreign aids, etc... But I see you have surrendered and reverted to cover your ear and shout "I'm not listening". So, I wont bother to go further. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 05:23:35 I doubt seriously he will ever be able to prove $3 Trillion. If he comes up with what he considers proof, I will be glad to look at it. roland Member Tue Aug 25 05:26:12 "I doubt seriously he will ever be able to prove $3 Trillion. If he comes up with what he considers proof, I will be glad to look at it. " Hell, you cant prove the health care bill is $1 trillion too, why are you going around and use this figure? Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 07:11:17 This is exactly what I am talking about HR. Rugian Member Tue Aug 25 07:15:18 Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 04:58:36 "roland, there is a simple solution. Give me the government figures to date." Thanks to dipshits like you who think that "open government" is dangerous and that we need a top secret government that can do whatever it wants without us knowing, all in the name of protecting us from some ragis, we don't HAVE the full government figures and are forced to deal with estimates as the best alternative. Asshole.. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 07:41:36 Hot Rod, For sake of this 'argument', read this; http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/86xx/doc8690/10-24-CostOfWar_Testimony.pdf Everything is dealt in approximates or estimates, including by the government. Fed Bureau Of Utopia Member Tue Aug 25 14:57:32 People you forget, when you write in small or lower case letters. HR has a difficult time undrestanding. When responding and how annoying it may be, but you must write in CAPS. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:07:08 Hot Rod, did you find time to peruse the link I've provided? Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 21:09:40 The type is so small I can't read it. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:11:06 Oh ignore that crap. Did you read the link? Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:11:10 Oh ignore that crap. Did you read the link? Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 21:15:29 Jesus! Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:18:05 No not quite. I am close. But in all seriosness did you read the content of the link that I submitted? roland Member Tue Aug 25 21:21:56 Come on, the CBO is a liberal organisation, who publish stuff that no one can see even with a magnifier. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 21:25:55 I am getting sick and tired of chewing my cud twice for you people. Asked and answered. Now please go away. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:26:07 He wanted answers. That link has the answers. But he won't answer my question if he has read it or not. Or if he is going to, so, what else to expect. Is he giving up on this? Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:28:34 Hot Rod, you are aware you can zoom on it. Adobe Reader has that nifty little feature. Are you really going to resort to shit pettiness? Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:29:28 And you played the victim card, as usual. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 21:36:19 So it does. In another 8 years it seems we will be approaching the $3 Trillion mark quoted by roland. Obviously that is what he intended, that in 8 or 9 years the total would ber the $3 Trillion he quoted. Silly me for not knowing that is what he had in the back of his mind. "Including both funding provided through 2007 and projected funding under the two illustrative scenarios, total spending for U.S. operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and other activities related to the war on terrorism would amount to between $1.2 trillion and $1.7 trillion for fiscal years 2001 through 2017 (see Table 1).1" Thank you and goodnight. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:41:09 Now, was that so bad? Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 21:42:42 Actually it was kind of cool that you helped me prove that roland is the fool. Thanks again. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:46:05 ....Wow. Do you listen to yourself sometimes? Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 21:47:26 Wow, do you ever read a thread before jumping into it? mexicantornado Member Tue Aug 25 21:48:26 3 trillion huh roland? Pretty sure Iraq & Afghanistan have been 100 billion dollar wars for the past 8 years. Would love to know how we somehow have spent 3 trillion dollars without congress allowing it. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:54:43 "Wow, do you ever read a thread before jumping into it?" I know the whole premise behind this thread Hot Rod. You wanted it broken down for you. It was broken down. It also went on to show that the government uses estimates as did Roland used in which you adamantly disagreed and emphatically railed on him. Since the link was something of an official account on approximates and estimates conduct by the government. (The government that you are so untrusting of might I add) showed that indeed this war is costing us into the trillians based upon estimates. Roland based his estimates from scholars and the CBO conducted their own research. Right now it is hard to say who is going to be correct with their assessment. But it is a safe bet to say that it will be a few trillian dollars. Which was the concept behind Roland's concept. Just accept your failures and depart. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 21:56:03 >>Which was the concept behind Roland's comment. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 22:11:31 Read it again. rolands estimates from Harvard said it had already cost $3 Trillions, "But we didn't withdrew in 2006, instead, we expanded the troop level with the surge strategy. Stiglitz & Bilmes (2008) reviewed the cost and estimated the cost to be about $3 trillion." The CBO estimate from your link says it will not approach that number until 2017. Now you are trying to weasel out of your own link. Let's face it, you lose. And you claim I am a weasel. Go away Byron or delude or whatever you are calling yourself today. You are wasting my time. roland Member Tue Aug 25 22:26:02 "rolands estimates from Harvard said it had already cost $3 Trillions" Where did I say "already cost"?? Your word, not mine. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 22:29:44 "Stiglitz & Bilmes (2008) reviewed the cost and estimated the cost to be about $3 trillion."" Obviously they made that estimare last year. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 22:29:59 "Read it again. rolands estimates from Harvard said it had already cost $3 Trillions, "But we didn't withdrew in 2006, instead, we expanded the troop level with the surge strategy. Stiglitz & Bilmes (2008) reviewed the cost and estimated the cost to be about $3 trillion." " Obviously you do not read as I suspected. From the link that I provided that you really didn't read, because if you had, you wouldn't have made such an ignorant comment. A Comparison of Cost-of-War Estimates A number of ESTIMATES of the costs of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan have been performed by analysts working outside the government; those ESTIMATES are often HIGHER than CBOâ??s. For example, in 2006, two academic researchersâ??Linda Bilmes and Joseph Stiglitzâ??ESTIMATED that the war in Iraq COULD cost several trillion dollars in present-value terms, including costs to the federal government as well as other economic costs outside the federal budget. CBO RESTRICTS ITS ESTIMATES of war costs to federal budgetary effects and HAS NOT ATTEMPTED TO ESTIMATE the macroeconomic effects of the war. However, even within the confines of federal budgetary costs, CBOâ??s ESTIMATES DIFFER FROM those of Bilmes and Stiglitz. Emphasis mine. Take your time, read it over and over again for it to sink in. "Let's face it, you lose. And you claim I am a weasel." I never said you were weasel. Where did I say this? "Go away Byron or delude or whatever you are calling yourself today." I am not them. So don't even try to paint me as them because of your shortcomings of not understanding a simple concept about estimates. "You are wasting my time." You waste our time every time you resort to petty, childish antics that you apologized for but still continue you to do. I do not think you were sincere at all now. Fact it HR, you failed. You've got nothing. You didn't read the link, you made yet another wrong claim and you can't accept it. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 22:30:42 roland, you are obviously wrong this time. Let it go. roland Member Tue Aug 25 22:33:59 "Stiglitz & Bilmes (2008) reviewed the cost and estimated the cost to be about $3 trillion."" "Obviously they made that estimare last year. " And that figure is the estimation of the total cost of the two wars. I didn't say it is an estimation of the cost SO FAR. You had the assumption that I was talking about the cost SO FAR. So, that's your word, not mine. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 22:49:18 "roland, you are obviously wrong this time. Let it go. " Read the above post. Obviously you're wrong. Shut up. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 22:55:37 "CBO RESTRICTS ITS ESTIMATES of war costs to federal budgetary effects and HAS NOT ATTEMPTED TO ESTIMATE the macroeconomic effects of the war." As do I. Obviously the Harvard numbers are wrong because they did not count the chocolate cake that G.I. Joe's Aunt Martha sent him. You take an erroneous statement by roland and turn it into an exercise in microeconomics. And then you have the audacity to say I'm picky about semantics and that I'm a hack. Go look at yourself in the mirror. Now for the last time. Please go away, you are wasting my time. And it is "microeconomics" not "macroeconomics." Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 23:02:42 "And it is "microeconomics" not "macroeconomics." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroeconomics Failed. Again. "As do I. Obviously the Harvard numbers are wrong because they did not count the chocolate cake that G.I. Joe's Aunt Martha sent him." Due to that fact that you want to demonstrate your wit, which isn't much. You are still obviously missing the point. And it would be futile to attempt to continue to show the error of your ways because you will still obviously be in denial of it. "You take an erroneous statement by roland and turn it into an exercise in microeconomics. And then you have the audacity to say I'm picky about semantics and that I'm a hack. Go look at yourself in the mirror. Now for the last time. Please go away, you are wasting my time" My point is that you're wrong. You are going to be forever wrong about this and this is a good time to stop talking. Macroeconomics is correct. You are a fool and you are really demonstrating on a high level right now. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 23:08:21 Btw, you started this thread about this subject and you lost in this thread about this subject. I suggest for you to apologize for wasting our time and apologize for being a jackass. ....Again. roland Member Tue Aug 25 23:09:33 "And it is "microeconomics" not "macroeconomics."" Lol, you are doing the same thing here, instead of changing my context about total cost, or cost up-to-date, you are changing the definition of an economic term to fit your argument. "Obviously the Harvard numbers are wrong because they did not count the chocolate cake that G.I. Joe's Aunt Martha sent him. " the Harvard numbers are wrong because of what??? Lol. Actually, the book published in 2008 has considered all these factors and put them in seperate catergories, and that allows you to look at the estimate figure without the macroeconomic factors, and it is still around 3 trillions. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 23:14:52 "is a branch of economics that deals with the performance, structure, and behavior of a national or regional economy as a whole..." I knew you were going to do that, you are so predictable. Notice it says, "a national or regional economy as a whole, while microeconomics is the branch of economics dealing with particular aspects of an economy... We have been discussing the effects of the wars on the economy. The wars do not effect the economy as a whole, it concerns a portion of the economy. Just what effect does the war on Iraq have on Yellowstone Park or Indian Affairs, or the water table we tap for fresh water? If you are not Byron or delude you certainly act like them. Not something to be proud of. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 23:19:21 "I knew you were going to do that, you are so predictable. Notice it says, "a national or regional economy as a whole, while microeconomics is the branch of economics dealing with particular aspects of an economy... We have been discussing the effects of the wars on the economy. The wars do not effect the economy as a whole, it concerns a portion of the economy. Just what effect does the war on Iraq have on Yellowstone Park or Indian Affairs, or the water table we tap for fresh water? " You are having a fit over a term that the CBO used. And you are going out of your way to say they were wrong for using it, where you have been praising the CBO assessment to use against Roland. I have to ask, do you not listen to yourself before you post? "If you are not Byron or delude you certainly act like them. Not something to be proud of. " Another attempt by you to take away from the topic at hand because you cannot accept the fact that you are wrong. I am not them, never claim to be them, nor implied that if I was 'acting like them' I would be 'proud of it'. Drop it. Just another sad, pathetic attempt by you because again, you are wrong. Randal Graves Member Tue Aug 25 23:23:02 Three simple words to end this and everyone can see but yourself, because of your 'pride'. You are wrong. I don't care if you make another longwinded post about whatever nonsense. You were already shown how you were wrong. All you are doing now is continuing to be fodder. So back to my lurking. Hot Rod Member Tue Aug 25 23:31:01 So it did, I stand corrected. roland Member Tue Aug 25 23:42:22 WTF is this microeconomic BS? How is this relevant? Stiglitz & Bilmes (2008) considered a number of factors that contribute to the total cost of the wars. Operation cost up-to-date (or up-to-that point), future operations, future vet costs, social cost. marcoeconomic costs, interest. It does not consider microeconomics factors. If all these factors are combined, they estimated the war cost over 5 trillion dollars, about 3 if you discount the marcoeconomic factors. the CBO have said they are not going to include marcoeconomic cost in their model. and they come up with a figure about 1 to 2 trillion dollars. Obviously, the study is conducted in 2006, and things have changed since then. Such as the surge which should add more cost to their estimate. It would be fair to debate how much that would added to the estimate, but you are just going around in circle claiming things that did not happen.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 13:09:14 9. "I have learned not to be a racist." http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1069983 Dont forget that he is an anti-racist. Remember when he used to rant about how a black guy once told him that nigger was the most hurtful insult he ever heard and that he hated racists? The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:13:21 mf, I didn't include yopu in being a closet homosexual. We all know how much you love those big juicy nigger cocks with their cum drooling down your chin. The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:17:06 Why not call them what they are? It is obvious what they are trying to hide. That is what I respect about you, you are not ashamed of sucking nigger cock. Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:35:23 You still got that big juicy nigger cock up your ass queer? Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:59:16 So you consider sucking those great big juicy nigger cocks to be mentally healthy. Well as long as you consider yourself virtuous you just go right aheadd. Just don't bite down. Hot Rod Member Wed Jul 07 00:07:59 Who you got at the plate tonight? Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton? http://www...hread=36586&time=1278479933111 Hot Rod Moderator Tue Aug 26 08:08:42 Stupid shit face foreigner, can't even read English. Hot Rod Member Mon Sep 13 07:03:24 Is it your mother or your father that is a nigger. Renzo says it is your dad, I say it is your mother. http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=38319&time=1284379648991
Memory Lane Member	Wed Sep 22 13:10:41 Utopia Talk / Politics / jergul will not leave it alone. Hot Rod Member Sat Nov 07 13:00:27 He keeps needling me in the Modejergul will not leave it alone.rator Forum and when I requested he remove spam from one of my threads when he left *one* of the spam posts, it was a multiple post spam that you are all familiar with, his response was, "No, that is a legitimate post. I can hardly go about deleting your or other poster's musing just because they have said the same thing many times before, nor can I delete single posts copy-pasted from some source. Would you like it if I did it to you?" alcoholic water was kind enough to point out that jergul was wrong by posting, "jergul is still sulking over a previous backlash which was caused by him deleting a bunch of legit posts." To which jergul posted, "AW Backlash? Must have missed it. Lots of posters repost thread content. Its just part of how the forum is. We can hardly censor that, can we?" Personally, I don't understand why he is being so infantile. I told him not to be so sensitive because he is all grown up now and allowed to wear long pants even. I think another thing that got under his thin skin is he thought everyone would agree in his poll that I should be treated like Poison and have my posts deleted on site, he was so looking forward to that. He lost face when hardly anyone agreed with him. It is really sad that we have a Mod that gives more consideration to a blatant spammer than a long time member of this forum. And he says it is not personal." How say you folks, does that blatant spammer that goes after nearly all of my threads, and some of the others, entitled to the same rights and privileges as you are in addition to screwing up the forum on a regular basis? Personally I don't think so.
Memory Lane Member	Wed Sep 22 13:14:08 Anyone remember the HR thread of "Liberaltarg Judge Gives Hispanics 6 votes"?
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:19:44 http://www...hread=37183&time=1280329799220 Hot Rod admitting he watchs 8 hours of Fox News daily.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 13:20:05 Wow, that was a good find. Unfortunately, it was too long and not pithy enough to show the sort of trolling liar Pedo Rod truly is.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 13:21:25 10. I watch 8 hours of Fox News each day http://www...hread=37183&time=1280329799220
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:22:30 http://www...hread=37351&time=1281031531874 Hot Rod using one example of an illegal alien killing someone as a campaign to rid the country of hispanics.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Sep 22 13:22:32 Hot Rod Jul 28th, 2008 10:47 PM I have nothing against gays. http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1070246 The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:13:21 mf, I didn't include yopu in being a closet homosexual. We all know how much you love those big juicy nigger cocks with their cum drooling down your chin. Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:35:23 You still got that big juicy nigger cock up your ass queer? http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=36586&time=1278479933111
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 13:24:28 11. "I have nothing against gays" http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1070246 The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:13:21 mf, I didn't include yopu in being a closet homosexual. We all know how much you love those big juicy nigger cocks with their cum drooling down your chin. Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:35:23 You still got that big juicy nigger cock up your ass queer? http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=36586&time=1278479933111
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:25:16 Adding on to his hypocrisy about killing billions of muslims. http://www...hread=37253&time=1280686056501 Sun Aug 01 12:44:12 Hot Rod Jun 1st, 2008 5:51 PM No, killing civilians is *NEVER* good.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Sep 22 13:26:40 Hot Rod Jul 13th, 2008 4:46 PM I am a social liberal. http://ata...viewposts.jsp?username=Hot_Rod Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:35:23 You still got that big juicy nigger cock up your ass queer? http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=36586&time=1278479933111
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:28:36 http://www...&thread=37100&showdeleted=true Highlighting that news scrollers aren't news. Hot Rod Member Sat Jul 24 09:45:36 Those programs are not hard news, they are opinion talk shows.
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Sep 22 13:29:40 Hot Rod Member Sun Sep 19 09:16:45 Unlike you, I think there should be a fair trial before you take the accused out and execute them. http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=38569 Hot Rod Member Fri Oct 30 08:13:03 I think the ones that should be killed are those that believe that Islam is the one true religion and that all infidels should be exterminated. Along with the fanatics that believe an insult to the prophet should be punishable by death, or those that murder their family members for leaving Islam. They are the ones that are a danger to us. There you are approaching the one billion mark I believe. http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=26020
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 13:29:49 Damn. It's truly amazing what kind of a lying sack of child rapist HR is. This needs to be condensed. 9. "I have learned not to be a racist" "I am a social liberal." "I have nothing against gays." http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1070246 http://atarchive.gotdns.org:8080/viewposts.jsp?username=Hot_Rod The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:13:21 mf, I didn't include yopu in being a closet homosexual. We all know how much you love those big juicy nigger cocks with their cum drooling down your chin. The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:17:06 Why not call them what they are? It is obvious what they are trying to hide. That is what I respect about you, you are not ashamed of sucking nigger cock. Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:35:23 You still got that big juicy nigger cock up your ass queer? Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:59:16 So you consider sucking those great big juicy nigger cocks to be mentally healthy. Well as long as you consider yourself virtuous you just go right aheadd. Just don't bite down. Hot Rod Member Wed Jul 07 00:07:59 Who you got at the plate tonight? Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton? http://www...hread=36586&time=1278479933111 Hot Rod Moderator Tue Aug 26 08:08:42 Stupid shit face foreigner, can't even read English. Hot Rod Member Mon Sep 13 07:03:24 Is it your mother or your father that is a nigger. Renzo says it is your dad, I say it is your mother. http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=38319&time=1284379648991
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:30:27 Hot Rod calling Al Greenspan a socialist. http://www...hread=36918&time=1279558829626
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:33:27 http://www...hread=36953&time=1279642001767 Hot Rod defending Palin on her campaign expenditures, but ridicules Biden, and then spamming the thread.
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:35:03 http://www...hread=36981&time=1280081195618 Another blatant admittance of pedophilia by Hot Rod.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 13:36:37 10. "News scrollers aren't news. are not hard news, they are opinion talk shows." http://www...&thread=37100&showdeleted=true 11. Greenspan is a socialist http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=36918&time=1279558829626
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:37:07 http://www...hread=37327&time=1281065725652 Hot Rod explaining why as a "Liberatarian" he always votes republican.
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:37:43 The above is a personal favorite of mine.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 13:40:27 12. Renzo, your little niece is the best little knob polisher in my entire stable. http://www...hread=36981&time=1280081195618
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 22 13:41:10 "Hot Rod explaining why as a "Liberatarian" he always votes republican." LOL! I spit out my coke when read that!
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 13:43:23 13. "BTW, I will vote Libertarian regardless who The dems or repubs nominate" "I have admitted that I voted McCain" http://www...hread=37327&time=1281065725652
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:44:11 http://www...hread=37591&time=1281973612005 Hot Rod stating that any part of the plane that lands in an area is part of Ground Zero.
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:46:31 http://www...hread=37434&time=1281372156527 Hot Rod claiming US courts follow Sharia Law
The UP Archivist Member	Wed Sep 22 13:51:46 http://www...hread=37520&time=1281887509575 Hot Rod backpedeling
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 13:52:06 14. Sharia Law Followed By US Court http://www...hread=37434&time=1281372156527
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Sep 22 14:05:22 Hot Rod Jun 18th, 2008 1:56 PM I will defend McCain if they tell lies about him and I will tell lies about the democrats because I think they are more dangerous than the republicans. Does that clear things up? :) http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1065832
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Sep 22 14:19:44 Hot Rod Jul 12th, 2008 12:39 AM This election will be the biggest landslide in history. I predict McCain will win. http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1068245 Hot Rod Jul 31st, 2008 12:17 AM I notice the pollsters were not mentioned. The ones I have been hearing about are the ones from "most likely voters" and those polls have McCain ahead by serveral points. But then, Summer polls don't mean very much. BTW, I predict Bakka will lose by the biggest landslide in history. http://atarchive.gotdns.org:8080/archivepost.jsp?thread=1070554
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Sep 22 14:24:35 Hot Rod Jun 6th, 2008 2:23 PM Unfortunately there are none that hurts us to our very core like the 'N' word does to the African American. http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1064546 The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:13:21 mf, I didn't include yopu in being a closet homosexual. We all know how much you love those big juicy nigger cocks with their cum drooling down your chin. The Guardian Member Tue Jul 06 23:17:06 Why not call them what they are? It is obvious what they are trying to hide. That is what I respect about you, you are not ashamed of sucking nigger cock. Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:35:23 You still got that big juicy nigger cock up your ass queer? Hot Rod Member Tue Jul 06 23:59:16 So you consider sucking those great big juicy nigger cocks to be mentally healthy. Well as long as you consider yourself virtuous you just go right aheadd. Just don't bite down. Hot Rod Member Wed Jul 07 00:07:59 Who you got at the plate tonight? Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton?
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Sep 22 14:27:00 Hot Rod Jul 3rd, 2008 3:08 PM I had a good friend who told me once, "the 'N' word cuts us to the very marrow of our bones." http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1064546 Hot Rod Patron Jul 3rd, 2008 4:29 PM I am in 100% agreement with Joe. It is a hateful word that has no place in any society. Only psychopaths could possibly get any pleasure out of using it in any of it's forms. Joe spoke of discrimination. In WWII Black American Soldiers were crowded into cheap seats on the trains in The South so white German POW's could ride in comfort. Anyone that uses that word as an insult cannot possibly anymore despicable in my book. And I agree with lazarus. There is no redeeming value in any derogatory racial slurs. Only serious losers use them because they think that by putting others down they will somehow make themselves bigger in their own eyes, All they succeed in doing is tell the world they are a jackass. http://atarchive.gotdns.org:8080/archivepost.jsp?thread=1067410
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Sep 22 14:28:40 Quite seriously, he's mentally sick.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 15:33:56 15. This is a disturbing admission: ======================= "Wed Sep 22 14:05:22 Hot Rod Jun 18th, 2008 1:56 PM I will tell lies about the democrats because I think they are more dangerous than the republicans. ======================== http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1065832
Adolf Hitler Member	Wed Sep 22 15:36:10 This is nothing though. The atarchive is over a couple of months, imagine the shit he's said during the 9 years he's been posting here...
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 15:36:56 AH - indeed, the prodigious use of the "N" word by Pedo Rd is made more disturbing by the simultaneously claim that it is a hurtful word that should not be used in a civilized society.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Wed Sep 22 15:39:12 "12. Renzo, your little niece is the best little knob polisher in my entire stable. " Man what a fuzzing psycho. After the dude breaks down about how people never stop calling him a pedophile when he says shizz like this No wonder his family put him in a damn home so they dont have to live with him
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 22 15:40:59 HR is a disturbed individual Who goes out of their way to kill themselves off...
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 15:46:15 Check out the other thread on The Chinkdren's crazy posts. His retarded crap have also been dug out and he is now denying that he has ever started the thread. Two of the biggest trolls have both resorted to same denial tactic after their past crazy claims have been linked and dug out.
Dickhead UPer Member	Wed Sep 22 15:47:28 That's fucking classic!
Hot Stick Member	Wed Sep 22 16:01:28 As usual the liberals are reduced to lying about me.
miltonfriedman Member	Wed Sep 22 19:32:14 I bet Pedo Rod also did not "remember" making those posts.
General Populace Member	Thu Sep 23 08:05:08 http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=38669 Semantic Rod Rightful doesn't mean established/legitimate http://thesaurus.com/browse/rightful Thesaurus entry.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Sep 23 08:27:02 Another classic retardation from Pedo Rod 16. "Rightful doesn't mean established/legitimate" http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=38669
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Sep 23 08:28:49 Looking back, it appears that racist Rod is every bit as racist as JAlexB/General Puppet
General Populace Member	Thu Sep 23 08:30:48 Absolutely.
Adolf Hitler Member	Thu Sep 23 08:34:05 Undeniably.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 23 08:43:40 For a government to be 'rightful' as opposed to legitimate there needs to be an entity that claims to be the legitimate government. There was no entity claiming to be the rightful government opposed to the PDPA other than the Mujahideen guerrillas.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Sep 23 08:45:49 I will summarize all these great findings this afternoon!
General Populace Member	Thu Sep 23 08:46:59 ...Just dig that hole deeper. Btw, there are more classic declarations in that thread.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Sep 23 08:47:22 "For a government to be 'rightful' as opposed to legitimate there needs to be an entity that claims to be the legitimate government. There was no entity claiming to be the rightful government opposed to the PDPA other than the Mujahideen guerrillas." I think we need to remember the following: "Renzo, your little niece is the best little knob polisher in my entire stable. " -Hot "pedophile" Rod admitting to have sexually molested a young girl
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 23 08:59:23 ^-I accept your surrender. Now go fuck yourself.
General Populace Member	Thu Sep 23 09:00:15 No need to get touchy on quotes made by you.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 23 09:09:40 All I said was his niece is short, she is 32 years old.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Sep 23 09:16:34 This thread is cringe-worthy. Rod, it must be hard to be you. I have a feeling it is, despite your bravado.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Sep 23 09:26:30 "All I said was his niece is short, she is 32 years old." Lying comes so naturally for you, isn't it? Even though we have your exact quote here: "Renzo, your little niece is the best little knob polisher in my entire stable." So, no, you did not say she is short. You said she is "the best little knob polisher." So in this thread, you just revealed to us what a:1. bare-faced liar you are; and 2. disturbed pedophile you are.
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Sep 23 09:28:13 Of course, Pedo Rob will say how he used the word "little" as "short" and followed it with an entry from dictionary.com. Truly a disturbing individual.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 23 09:30:17 little - 1. small in size; not big; not large; tiny: a little desk in the corner of the room.
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 23 09:31:30 Of course, because it proves you to be irrefutably *WRONG AGAIN*.
General Populace Member	Thu Sep 23 09:33:03 Do you try to use this as your defense in a court of law when you are brought up on molestation charges?
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Sep 23 09:35:18 See how predictable Molester Rod is? First: Lie Second: dictionary entry when caught Third: Trolling with racial slurs Fourth: claiming he is busy and then disappears
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 23 09:36:08 Do you try to explain to your teacher that you have your own idea of what a word means when spoken by another person when she puts the dunces cap on your head and sits you in the corner?
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Sep 23 09:40:30 "Do you try to explain to your teacher that you have your own idea of what a word means" Well, let's see.... "Rightful doesn't mean established/legitimate" -Molester Rod
miltonfriedman Member	Thu Sep 23 09:41:45 I must congratulate myself for making this thread. You can readily use what I posted here to demonstrate molester Rod's deception and hypocrisy.
General Populace Member	Thu Sep 23 09:42:29 "No one said anything about a "rightful" government. I said an established government which makes them the legitimate government. " - Hot Rod So which is it? LOL!
General Populace Member	Thu Sep 23 09:43:02 Hear, hear!
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Sep 23 09:52:48 Hotrod, mildly curious, who did you vote for last election?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 23 09:59:28 "I posted here to demonstrate ... Rod's deception and hypocrisy. Or you can use it to identify those too lazy to even try to understand complex issues. MB, not relevant.
Milton Bradley Member	Thu Sep 23 10:01:24 Huh? Its relevant to my question and to this forum. I thought this was a political discussion board?
Hot Rod Member	Thu Sep 23 10:02:31 Not relevant to this thread. Go start another thread.
General Populace Member	Thu Sep 23 10:02:52 HR's hypocracy knows no bounds.
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