Utopia Talk / Politics / Iran Guilty of Extortion

Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 11:28:06 Iran to Release US Hiker on $500,000 Bail Updated: 1 hour 4 minutes ago (Sept. 12) -- A senior Iranian prosecutor today announced that the country is preparing to release jailed U.S. hiker Sarah Shourd on bail, according to state-run media. Abbas Jafari-Dolatabadi said that Shourd, 32, who was detained in 2009 with two male companions after the group allegedly entered the country illegally, has been granted bail on health grounds on a surety of around $500,000. "The female co-defendant [Shourd] has been granted a five billion rials bail," Jafari-Dolatabadi said according to the official Press TV service. He added that the decision had been taken after "the judge confirmed Ms Shourd's illness," according to Agence France-Presse. Shourd's mother, Nora, told AFP last month that her daughter was being held in solitary confinement and denied medical treatment despite suffering from a pre-cancerous cervical condition, a lump in her breast and depression. Her lawyer, Masoud Shafii, today told CNN that Shourd could be released from Tehran's infamous Evin prison in the next day or two. She would then be free to leave the country. "Everything is in place for the release," said Shafii, who got to see the three hikers for the first time Sunday. "It's up to the family when to deliver the money." He reported that the two other hikers -- Shane Bauer and Josh Fattal, both 28 -- were "doing well," and added that while Shourd is "happy" to be gaining her freedom, "her wish is for all three to be released together." The three Berkeley graduates were arrested on July 31, 2009, after they allegedly crossed the border from neighboring Iraq. Their families have argued that the three made a mistake as the mountainous border between the two countries is poorly marked, but Iranian officials claim that the three entered the country with "suspicious aims." Jafari-Dolatabadi said an indictment against the three Americans had been issued and that their cases were ready to be submitted to a court. There were "enough reasons to accuse the three of espionage", he said, according to the BBC. Under Iranian law, espionage is punishable by death. The announcement of Shourd's release comes after a weekend of wrangling between President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his ultra-conservative rivals in the judiciary, which is overseen by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. On Friday, the Foreign Ministry announced that Ahmadinejad had personally intervened in the case and that Shourd would be released on Saturday as a sign of the "special viewpoint of the Islamic Republic of Iran on the dignity of women." But just a few hours later, judiciary officials overruled the release, embarrassing the Iranian president. Jafari-Dolatabadi asserted the supremacy of the judiciary on Saturday, saying that an announcement about the American's case "would only come through the judiciary system." http://www...shourd-on-500000-bail/19630120
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sun Sep 12 11:30:38 I can't say I'm surprised really. It's not like America has ever shown much balls in dealing with Iran.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 11:39:41 1) How is the concept of bail "extortion?" 2) If Iran really was interested in extortion, they go for the small potatoes. $500 grand is nothing from the federal budget.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 11:41:09 3) Don't illegally enter a country you shouldn't be entering. I have about as much sympathy for these morons as I do for the wetbacks that invade our country every day.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 11:51:40 1) It is extortion because even the Iranians are smart enough to know she will not return. 2) the $500k will not come from the US Treasury, if it did I *believe* there would be a tremendous uproar not to mention it *may* be a violation of our policy of negotiating with a terrorist organization. 3) There we are in agreement.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sun Sep 12 11:53:54 '1) It is extortion because even the Iranians are smart enough to know she will not return. ' So what are you saying exactly? they should just release her for free because she's not likely to return?
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 12:04:54 That is what a civilized country would do for a person who is ill. That is what Scotland did.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Sun Sep 12 12:07:56 "3) Don't illegally enter a country you shouldn't be entering. I have about as much sympathy for these morons as I do for the wetbacks that invade our country every day. " ^ this.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 12:08:57 >>That is what a civilized country would do for a person who is ill.<< And neither of the countries involved here are civilized.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 12:11:42 Nimatzo, you are half right halfwit. Iran has never been a civilized country since the hostage crisis.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 12:12:29 But when it was a country run by a corrupt dictator in the pocket of the US, it was a bastion of civilization!
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 12:15:50 Iran has never been a civilized country since before or after the hostage crisis. FIXED
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 12:17:02 ... nimatzo I'll let you handle this one.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 12:40:42 We can go back to 1953 and WW2, but I think he way too retarded to understand any of it and will simply continue to amend his answer to rationalize to himself. The statement remains, neither of the two countries involved are civilized.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 12:56:00 So you are saying that Iran *WAS IN FACT* civilized under Mohammad RezÄ? ShÄ?h Pahlavi. Rugian, he just called you a liar. "Mohammad RezÄ? ShÄ?h Pahlavi, Shah of Iran, (Persian: Ù?Ø­Ù?درضا شاÙ? Ù¾Ù?Ù?Ù?Û? [mohæmË?mæd reË?zÉ?Ë? Ê?Ë?É?Ë?he pæhlæË?viË?]; 26 October 1919 â?? 27 July 1980), was the emperor of Iran from 16 September 1941, until his overthrow by the Iranian Revolution on 11 February 1979." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad-Rez%C4%81_Sh%C4%81h
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Sun Sep 12 13:03:36 Rod, an uncivilized nation would have let her die in prison. Quit being retarded.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 13:06:17 So a civilized nation holds people for ransome. Glad you think Somalia is a civilized nation.
Paramount Member	Sun Sep 12 13:08:20 USA extorts countries at the UN.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Sun Sep 12 13:12:22 "So a civilized nation holds people for ransome." - Civilized nations hold people accountable for breaking the law, yes. What you are implying is that they were kidnapped.
Forwyn Member	Sun Sep 12 13:16:18 As much as I defend Iran, this is bullshit. "Now a five-month investigation by The Nation and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute has located two witnesses to the arrest who claim that Bauer, Fattal and Shourd were on Iraqi territory when they were arrestedâ??not in Iran, as Iranian officials have asserted. Two additional sources report that the Revolutionary Guards officer who likely ordered their detention has since been arrested on charges of smuggling, kidnapping and murder. The witnesses are residents of a Kurdish village in Iraq called Zalem, which lies a few miles from the Iran border; they declined to be identified, fearing retaliation from Iranian forces, who have been known to conduct missions across the border. The witnesses separately reported noticing the three Americans as they hiked up a mountain in the scenic Khormal region, which straddles the border. Part of the mountain lies in Iraq and part in Iran, but except for a few watchtowers and occasional signposts, the border here is largely unmarked, although local residents are familiar with its boundaries." http://www...ers-were-seized-iraq?page=full ^^from a leftist magazine that should by all accounts be in love with Iran
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 13:19:47 >>Nimatzo Member Sun Sep 12 12:40:42 We can go back to 1953 and WW2, but I think he way too retarded to understand any of it and will simply continue to amend his answer to rationalize to himself.<< >>Hot Rod Member Sun Sep 12 12:56:00 So you are saying that Iran *WAS IN FACT* civilized under Mohammad RezÃ?? ShÃ??h Pahlavi. Rugian, he just called you a liar. << I love it when I am so correct so fast :) See what I mean Rugian?
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 13:32:36 Are you insane? The Shah we are speaking of was dictator in Iran from 1941 through 1979, Last I heard both WWII and 1953 fell within that period. If it did not, then please explain.
Garyd Member	Sun Sep 12 13:35:33 And what is the punishment in most civilized country's for border violations accidental and otherwise? Oh you get sent almost immediately. You don't get throne in the slammer for more than a year on trumped up easily refutable charges while people negotiate your release.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 13:37:48 >>Last I heard both WWII and 1953 fell within that period.<< LOL! >>If it did not, then please explain.<< I wont help you.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 13:40:59 Well, I am certainly not going to wast my time chasing your lie.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 13:41:23 *-waste
Forwyn Member	Sun Sep 12 13:44:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat I think thats the best you're gonna get.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 14:14:31 OK, while I cannot find anything to critize between 1941 - 1953 Let's assume that my previous statement excudes those years as being uncivilized. However, Mossadeghw was Prime Minister under The Shah and I hardly think his nationalizing the oil industry was the mark of a civilized country. Not to mention that is what catapulted The Shah into the monster he became.
Forwyn Member	Sun Sep 12 14:17:15 No, between 1941 and 1953 Iran was simply an Allied puppet whose natural assets were forcibly controlled by another country. Can you think of a civilized country that lets its natural resources be pillaged by someone else? The nationalization of the industry was a natural defensive reaction, and it did NOT make the Shah a US-puppet dictator - Operation Ajax did.
Garyd Member	Sun Sep 12 14:24:53 Yet the same people who opposed the shahs reforms - which were also Mossadiq's reforms - and attempts to bring Iran into the modern age would have just as quickly turned on Mossadiq and for exactly the same reason. We owe much of the fact that there is an Iranian resistance to Ahmadinejad's puppetmasters to the shah attmepted reforms as to anything we have done if not more.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 14:27:37 >-No, between 1941 and 1953 Iran was simply an Allied puppet whose natural assets were forcibly controlled by another country. But he did institute a lot of social reforms, even giving more recoginition to women. I don't know about civilized, but there are few small countries that can styand up to superpowers over their resources. "By the early 1950s, the political crisis brewing in Iran commanded the attention of British and American policy leaders. In 1951 Dr. Mosaddegh was appointed Prime Minister and committed to nationalizing the Iranian petroleum industry controlled by the Anglo-Persian Oil Company. Under the leadership of the nationalist movement of Dr. Mohammed Mosaddeq, the Iranian parliament unanimously voted to nationalize the oil industry â?? thus shutting out the immensely profitable Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), which was a pillar of Britain's economy and provided it political clout in the region." The nationalization led to Operation Ajax.
Forwyn Member	Sun Sep 12 14:28:06 You think because the ends would have been the same, the means - a democratically elected minister, or a totalitarian, politically stifling, tinpot dictator - are the same, and the people will see them as such?
Forwyn Member	Sun Sep 12 14:29:06 "The nationalization led to Operation Ajax." The nationalization was their right as a sovereign country. Operation Ajax was the worst kind of immoral political intervention.
MrPresident07 Member	Sun Sep 12 14:29:32 If it was on Iraqi soil this is kidnapping. If they were in Iran then it's legal. Gets real simple. Regardless, this is a bad move on Iran's part.
Garyd Member	Sun Sep 12 14:32:49 Nope I think people who are against change will be agianst change no matter by what vector that change comes.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 14:41:37 Nationalization of a countries assets is nothing more than Grand Theft.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 14:43:47 >>Nope I think people who are against change will be agianst change no matter by what vector that change comes.<< Yes but then again you are an idiot and do not appreciate the peoples sensitivity to the package in which "change" comes in. There is a reason for why marketing, branding and trademarks are a lucrative business. Because people, right or wrong care about the package in which things come in.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 14:45:29 >>Nationalization of a countries assets is nothing more than Grand Theft.<< As opposed to pillaging a foreign country for it's resources, which is a noble quest indeed. This fucking dumbass thinks a country should not benefit from the resources in it's ground.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 14:50:38 >-As opposed to pillaging a foreign country for it's resources, which is a noble quest indeed. The Anglo-Persian Oil Company oil company had a contract with the government that was signed by the legitimate government at the time. "In 1901 William Knox D'Arcy, a millionaire London socialite, negotiated an oil concession with the Shah Mozzafar al-Din Shah Qajar of Persia. He assumed exclusive rights to prospect for oil for 60 years in a vast tract of territory including most of Iran. In exchange the Shah received £20,000, an equal amount in shares of D'Arcy's company, and a promise of 16% of future profits." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Iranian_Oil_Company
Garyd Member	Sun Sep 12 14:51:00 Nonsense nimatzo The Mullahs wouldn't have liked those reforms - and initially they were the primary resisters to the Shah and only because of those reforms- whoever tried to institute them because those reforms were in every way an assault upon the power they held within the country. The people might have been okay with it but for how long? And in that society as it existed at that time how much power did the people actually have? Damn little in fact.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 14:51:14 Anyway to get back to original topic Rugian raised. The point Hot dumbass, was that no matter what Iran was prior to USA/UK intervention as early as with the forced abdication of Reza Shah, what it became after was the direct cause of that intervention. Uncivilized, just like the USA. Without US intervention, thing might have gone differently, Reza Shah was actually a very strong and no nonsense leader who was greatly influenced by his Turkish neighbor Atatürk.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 14:52:41 >>Nonsense nimatzo The Mullahs wouldn't have liked those reforms<< Yea well they didn't like it during Reza Shah either, he had the wiped and sent into the army. in contrast his son the one you call "the shah" bribed the mullahs and we all know how that went.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 14:58:49 Hot Rod, And what do you call it when another country pretty much forced itself upon your oil supplies and dominates the industry? 1900 Iran was in an economic tailspin, and it was furthermore worried about being reduced to a Russian protectorate, so the shah signed over Iran's oil rights in most of the country on very unfavorable terms to the British, who received most of the profits and controlled the industry in a heavy-handed manner, keeping out the Iranians as much as possible. The oil concession in short was the product of imperialism. By 1950 Iran was completely different - the Qajar monarchs who had controlled the country at the turn of the century had been replaced by the Pahlavis, who themselves had their power reduced by the democratic government. The government wanted the British to sign a more equitable agreement, which they completely refused to do or negotiate on. The concession was so blatantly unfair and caused so much of Iran's assets to be removed from the country that the government couldn't simply ignore it, so after the British continued to refuse any sort of compromise, Iran took the only option left and nationalized the AIOC. I guess in summary, my question is why do you view the original concession as being a-okay, while the taking back of assets that never would have been signed over in such a manner if the UK and Iran had been acting as equal partners as grand theft? It seems to me the original concession was the act of grand theft.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 14:59:57 >=Without US intervention, thing might have gone differently... Not saying it wouldn't have, the point is they are not a civilized country now.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 15:00:58 I bet Hot Rod thinks that the Native Americans giving away the rights to all of New York for a bottle of whiskey because they didn't understand European concepts of land and contracts was a "legitimate" transaction as well.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 15:02:17 "As his reign became more secure, Reza Shah clashed with Iran's clergy, as he did with all other political constituencies in the country. In March 1928 he violated the sanctuary of Qom's Fatima al-Masumeh Shrine and beat a cleric who had dared admonish Reza Shah's wife for attending a mosque in Qom in appropriate attire." This is great stuff, the KING himself would bitch slap clergy for being disrespectful to his wife.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 15:04:06 Rugian, you lack of knowledge about American History continues to astound me.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 15:04:17 >>Not saying it wouldn't have, the point is they are not a civilized country now.<< Didn't I say that the first thing I said in this thread, dimwit?
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 15:07:32 No, your exact words were "And neither of the countries involved here are civilized." The US is a civilized country.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Sep 12 15:08:25 That's his opinion. Why are you denying him his opinion?
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun Sep 12 15:09:10 ^third world foreigner, you dont even know anything about the USA, Hot the founding fathers wrote the 14th amendment dumbass Rod
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 15:09:52 So you are denying that the area that is now NYC was signed over to Europeans by a Native American tribe for a trivial compensation? Looks like you are the one who has no knowledge of American history.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 15:10:05 ^at Hot Rod
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun Sep 12 15:11:46 @genocide rod
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 15:15:37 Dickhead, he did not post it as opinion, he posted it as fact.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 15:17:34 Rugian, no. I'm saying your privous statement was totally wrong.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 15:18:03 Aaaannd Hot Rod skips right over the posts meticulously prepared in paragraph form with plenty of substance relevant to the topic at hand, and focuses solely on the one-line posts. Why does anyone bother arguing with this idiot.
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 15:20:13 Hot Rod Member Sun Sep 12 15:17:34 "Rugian, no. I'm saying your privous statement was totally wrong." My previous statement had 0 (ZERO) mentions of America, the US, or any of its citizens or leaders. So I need you to walk me through how it demonstrates that I "lack...knowledge about American History." Seriously. I have NO idea how you decided that a post about Iran and the British is proof that I lack knowledge about American history.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 15:36:27 Rugian, you need some serious help. Your previous post was at best erroneous, at worst an outright lie The Indians did not sell New York for a bottle of whiskey, they traded Manhattan Island for some beads and trinkets. Some knives and axes were included, IIRC. As for a legitimate trade, of course it was. Both sides got what they wanted out of the deal. Remember a few weeks ago where this guy had a red paperclip, IIRC, and through a series of trades he parlayed it into a Porsche. Were all of those trades legitimate. You bet they were because at every trade the guy made, both sides got what they wanted. Stop acting like a dunce, you know better than that. I think you do anyway.
Garyd Member	Sun Sep 12 15:38:04 Yeah Nims bribing religious assholes never works.
Nimatzo Member	Sun Sep 12 16:06:30 >>The US is a civilized country.<< LOL! Now that is some funny shit!
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 12 16:10:22 Yeah HR, I'll start responding to your posts when you start responding to mine. What a worthless little creature you are.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 16:47:04 Sorry for not taking up the Palin issue witgh you, but I really did have cleaning to do today, just now got my laundry in the machine. Renzo took up my entire afternoon because of his trolling, now I have to clean this evening.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Sun Sep 12 22:15:30 IT MIGHT HELP IF SOMEONE DEFINES 'CIVILIZED' IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS THREAD. Just sayin'. For instance, I consider any non-tribal society to be a member of 'civilization' and therefore 'civilized'. Speaking geographically, Iran is also in very close proximity to what is widely known as the cradle of civilization and was likely amongst some of the first regions to become 'civilized' (if we are using my definition). So yea - defining what we are arguing about is pretty fucking crucial - especially when it's with someone who notoriously loves to 'debate' with vague definitions like Hot Rod.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sun Sep 12 22:21:23 "Sorry for not taking up the Palin issue witgh you, but I really did have cleaning to do today, just now got my laundry in the machine. " Man gotta love wheel's excuses for not answering peoples shizz
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 22:28:32 Within the confines of this thread my definition of civilized is a country that follows the diplomatic norms. Such as not taking over the Embassy of another country while they are your guests. Or in this particular instance not holding the citizen of another country for ransom like the Somalians do. Also, includes ignoring a treaty signed by a legitimate government of the country and lying about it and snubbing their nose at the community of nations that did sign it and are living up to their end of the bargain.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Sep 12 22:32:10 JMB, you are not worth the shizz that you have a passion for talking about.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Mon Sep 13 00:43:59 "Such as not taking over the Embassy of another country while they are your guests. Or in this particular instance not holding the citizen of another country for ransom like the Somalians do. Also, includes ignoring a treaty signed by a legitimate government of the country and lying about it and snubbing their nose at the community of nations that did sign it and are living up to their end of the bargain." - How about overthrowing established popular leaders and installing unpopular puppet dictators?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 03:37:31 Hes too busy PPS, renzo forced him to spend his entire afternoon flaming.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 13 05:06:49 Such as Saddam Hussein?
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 13 05:08:37 Or were you referring to The Taliban?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 05:38:48 Or maybe, just maybe, he meant, oh I dont know... Allende? Or perhaps uuhhhmmm....Mosaddegh? What do you think Hot Fake? before you post again, remember we all know you know about those cases and we all know you know pps wasnt speaking about the taliban. So, before you post again, maybe you want to think about what we all know that you know, even when you pretend otherwise, Hot Fake?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 05:42:48 * Sorry, I meant: 'So, before you post again, maybe you want to think about what we all know that you know, even when you pretend otherwise, Hot "lying, snivelling, gutless, pure filth, whore-spawn, genocidal, racist cunt, lying, lying, lying for ever lying fucking bastard, copy/paste retard" Rod
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 13 05:51:18 Or maybe he is talking about the first American Indian Commissioners or someone else from one or two centuries ago. Did upu have a sucking good time at the bathhouses last night. You did make the rounds to all of them didn't you? Was Renzo with you or are youtw having another tiff?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 05:55:23 Lol werent you just apologizing for flaming in the mod thread? lol, your apologies are worthless arent they? Yes thay are. As worthless as you offering to help that little boy over in the pool with his 'breast stroke'
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 05:56:19 "upu " "youtw" Look at him stuttering in anger lol
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 13 06:10:40 LOL, yes I did. Only a worthless piece of shit that can't stay out of the bathhouses would never, ever apologize for his flames. Oh my, you do fit that description don't you. >-offering to help that little boy over in the pool with his 'breast stroke' Is that what you tell Renzo when he throws a fit of jealous rage when he catches you sucking your mother's teat, that you are helping her with her breast stroke? If you can steal my lines every week, I can steal one of yours occasionally so bugger off. Oops, not I got you all hot and sweaty by using the word bugger.
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:13:53 Still stammering in anger lol. So tell me genocidal lying fucking cunt, is it true that your mom used to be called the bathhouse because you could walk into her cunt, swim a couple of laps and swim out without ever touching the walls of her filthy rotting cunt?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:15:32 * You lying, snivelling, gutless, pure filth, whore-spawn, genocidal, racist cunt, lying, lying, lying for ever lying fucking bastard, copy/paste retarded fuck?
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 13 06:21:30 LOL, Doesn't look like I am the one who is sputtering in anger. You can dish it out, but when someone points out that you are still sucking your mothers teat at 30 years old. Tell me, do you ever let Renzo suck the other teat or do you stick one up your ass while you are sucking the one?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:24:27 So when youre at the bathhouse looking for small children to kidnap and kill after fucking them, do you ever encounter any of your bigoted, hypocritical, religious far right extremist anti-gay republican fag icons looking for a quick asshole penetration in the mens rooms? Or did your mom teach you to never take a strangers cock in the ass without the nickels up front?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:25:07 Sorry. * You lying, snivelling, gutless, pure filth, whore-spawn, genocidal, racist cunt, lying, lying, lying for ever lying fucking bastard, copy/paste retarded fuck?
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 13 06:29:43 Sputter, sputter, sputter... Can't you talk past your rage or is it the dick in your mouth that makes you sputter? Can't come up with anything original so you keep using the bathhouse thingy I dreamed up for you? Why don't you tell us how you beat off to the picture of your Nazi grandparents being executed for their war crimes?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:36:56 So your parents were nazis who met when your mom was selling her rancid cunt at a bathhouse? And her party trick was to stuff her filthy cunt full of lice and slugs and let them crawl out down her legs while your nazi father fucked your ass? This is why you have an obsession about small boys trapped in bathhouses? No wonder you're so worthless and everyone hates you.
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:38:03 * You lying, snivelling, gutless, pure filth, whore-spawn, genocidal, racist cunt, lying, lying, lying for ever lying fucking bastard, copy/paste retarded fuck?
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:46:51 Lol soooo easy...you suck so bad at trying to get even hot whore lol
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 13 06:47:47 LOL, Don't you have any shame. You steal everything from me, but I guess it figures. Your mother used to use your head as an ass wipe and her shit in your ears is blocking your creativity, not that you ever had any. Well we both know that I pointed out years ago that your grandparents were Nazi war criminals. That is where your uncontrollable hatred of me got started. You really should apologize for their war crimes. Sputter, sputter, sputter...
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:50:04 "Adolf Hitler Member Mon Sep 13 05:56:19 "upu " "youtw" Look at him stuttering in anger lol Hot Rod Member Mon Sep 13 06:10:40 LOL, yes I did. " lol... So when your nazi parents were selling their openings at a nazi 'bathhouse' (whorehouse) they taught you some of their favorite human experiments on kids and nowadays your favorite hobby is sewing infants together at the anus and mouth and throwing them into the pool to watch them die? Fuck, having such psychopathic nazi prostitute parents sure explains how you came to be the most disrespected liar ever at UP. Its a shame your mom only pierced her vagina walls with that coathanger and missed you, I think you would have appreciated being put out of your misery.
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:51:30 * You lying, snivelling, gutless, pure filth, whore-spawn, genocidal, racist cunt, lying, lying, lying for ever lying fucking bastard, copy/paste retarded fuck
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:55:45 Poor cunt...cant dish it out, cant take it... Theres your moms cunt Heres a line of 3rd world foreigners lining up to take a shit in it
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 13 06:55:51 Using two of my creations in one sentence, that is a low point even for you. Tell me, did all of your ancestors crawl out from under whale shit at the bottom of the ocean, or did that start with your Nazi grandparents? BTW, we used to know you as faithless, but Renzo tells me they call you faithful at all of the bathhouses.
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 06:57:59 Theres your moms wide open cunt Heres a line of 3rd world foreigners lining up to get out of it
Hot Rod Member	Mon Sep 13 07:03:24 LOL, so you are going to go through my entire library of original slurs. Here is a new one you can steal. Is it your mother or your father that is a nigger. Renzo says it is your dad, I say it is your mother. While you reword that so you can pretend you are smart, I will let you have the last word. Which I am sure will include your victory dance around your favorite dildo. I have a few things to do this morning.
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Sep 13 07:07:28 Runrunrun away as always little slug...lol Theres 50 cents heres your mom lying in an alley stretching her cunt as wide as she can so that 3rd world foreigners can jerk off on the fetus rotting inside
Milton Bradley Member	Tue Sep 14 08:06:07 "heres your mom lying in an alley stretching her cunt as wide as she can so that 3rd world foreigners can jerk off on the fetus rotting inside" lol
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