Utopia Talk / Politics / When does socialism fail?

The Guardian Member	Thu Jul 01 04:02:41 When government runs out of other peoples money.
Adolf Hitler Member	Thu Jul 01 04:04:23 When does the crawlspace fail? When the kids manage to hang themselves from the door knob.
The Guardian Member	Thu Jul 01 04:06:27 So when you dont have an intelligent response you just go to the crawlspace crap. Yet the ultimate measure of your "intelligence."
Adolf Hitler Member	Thu Jul 01 04:07:56 ^ Main Entry: pathological liar Part of Speech: n Definition: a) a person who lies to the point of it being considered a disease or condition, an abnormally habitual liar b) Hot Rod
Adolf Hitler Member	Thu Jul 01 04:09:08 When does the military fail? When government runs out of other peoples money. When does social security fail? When government runs out of other peoples money. When does Hot Rod fail? When government runs out of other peoples money.
Adolf Hitler Member	Thu Jul 01 04:10:09 Actually, the last one is wrong. When does Hot Rod fail? When he takes his first breath in the morning.
Adolf Hitler Member	Thu Jul 01 04:12:02 When did HR's mom fail? When she stuck a coat hanger up her rancid cunt in a dark alley and only punctured the fetus' brain without killing it.
The Guardian Member	Thu Jul 01 04:23:20 Did you learn that language from your mother when you were sucking her teat or from Bobby Seale when you were sucking his big hot nigger cock? Or both? Bobby Seale http://www...uggle%20pics/Bobby%20Seale.jpg
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Thu Jul 01 04:26:36 why do you talk about black penis like it's your favorite dessert? it's creepy and you should stop.
saiko Member	Thu Jul 01 04:42:34 Socialism fails when it stops being socialism.
The Guardian Member	Thu Jul 01 05:25:50 Clitoral Hood, dont be stupid.
Renzo Marquez Member	Thu Jul 01 05:51:04 It's pretty clear that Bobby Seale raped Hot Rod in his youth. Hot Rod liked it but couldn't deal with it mentally so he went from abused to abuser.
Adolf Hitler Member	Thu Jul 01 09:37:37 I thought it was Rods random drunk street corner customer of a father that fucked him (up) as a kid? Did this Bobby Seale use cheap whores?
Adolf Hitler Member	Thu Jul 01 09:38:38 Also, if that link is to a pic of a black cock or something *learn to use NSFW* Thank you.
Aeros Member	Thu Jul 01 11:27:02 Indeed. Deutsche Bahn AG (DB AG, DBAG or DB) is the German national railway company, a private joint stock company (AG). Headquartered in Berlin,[2] it came into existence in 1994 as the successor to the former state railways of Germany, the Deutsche Bundesbahn of West Germany and the Deutsche Reichsbahn of East Germany. It also gained ownership of former railway assets in West Berlin held by the VdeR. Owner(s) Federal Republic of Germany (100%) Revenue 31.3 billion Euro (2007) Operating income 1.7 billion Euro (2007) Net income 1.6 billion Euro (2007)
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Thu Jul 01 11:56:51 "When does socialism fail?" The moment it becomes compulsary.
Pierre Member	Thu Jul 01 11:58:26 the moment capitalism is allowed to be used instead of it.. why do americans think looking after each other is a bad thing really... go live in the jungle...
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jul 01 12:00:19 When George W Bush bailed out the Wall Street.
Goreth Member	Thu Jul 01 12:05:44 What AH said. Socialism is just a function of government*, so it fails when the government drains its budget. So the OP may be correct, but it doesn't have a point. *Not a basic one, but I couldn't name a country with no socialist policies from the top of my head. And I doubt you will find one among non-shitholes. Socialism works, it's just question of maximizing effect while minimizing cost. (Something most government fail horribly at of course.)
Paramount Member	Thu Jul 01 12:23:24 George W Bush is in fact USA's biggest socialist EVER! He bailed out Wall Street - nationalized the banks, and the automakers. Lol!
ehcks Member	Thu Jul 01 13:03:30 Capitalism fails when people get greedy. Communism fails when people get lazy. Socialism fails when people get both greedy and lazy simultaneously.
Hrothgar Member	Thu Jul 01 13:05:32 The current problems with western economies can be easily traced easily back, through each president's time in charge, to Reagan. And then in smaller ways all the way back to the Wall Street excess and collapse of the 1920s. 1920s - Massive western lifestyle excess is invented. Wall Street collapses due to the foolish excess. 1930s - Financial shock waves hit the entire western world, massive poverty and joblessness. Governments start experiementing with active social deficite spending efforts to try to trigger growth back. 1940s - WWII actually lifts the world reboots many economies that are basically destroyed during the war. Lots of debt forgivness defaults - start over. US who doesn't take lots of infastructure damage comes out cranking due to massive government spending on war - which was possibly because of very low debt levels before the war. 1950s, 1960s - Afterglow of WWII economy in the USA spreads to much of Europe and much prosperity happens while stuff is rebuilt. The idea of active social spending by government takes solid root, but still enough tax money vs. spending to not be viewed as a problem. 1970s - Oil embargo proves to Western world how dependent they are. Oil prices crush economies and social spending deficites become common among most western nations. Not horribly large, but constant. 1980s - Regean ramps up military spending to war levels and bankrupts USSR as they try to keep up. Deficites are growing larger every year. The first inklings that Social spending is not sustainable are hinted at by forward looking experts. The governments of the entire western world have continual, increasing debt loads. Citizens begin to adapt to the "super consumer" lifestyle and carry continually increasing personal debt loads as well. 1990s - Internet becomes commonly usable to citizens. The personal computer/internet revolution creates a gasoline + match type economy. Consumers swing fully into super consumer mode running up ever increaseing debt loads year to year. Companies run up huge debt loads to try to expand and keep up with the economy. This temporarily gives governments a reprieve from tax issues. Some even post some surpluses and pay down fractions of their national debt. But the gasoline fire of an ecnomy isn't based on a solid footing - just consumers increasing their debt load by massive ammounts. 2000s - Gasoline fire burns out. Economy collapses. Governments basking in the afterglow of the 1990s have lots of room to increase debt so they social debt spend thier countries into a stable economy. Housing bubble starts building off of access to every increasing amounts of debt available to consumers. Housing bubble then gives out, consumers are maxed on credit and can't spend anymore, huge jobloss shows up as no one can buy companies products any more and layoffs ensue. This exasperates the housing price crash as no one can buy houses anymore. Record loan defaults devistate banks. Banks can't loan any more due to losses. Governments once again step in and debt spend even more to stabalize a full scale risk to the existance of the western economic system. On top of this the wars of Iraq and Afgahnistan have wieghed heavily on the USA's debt levels. Now - we are possibly on the cusp of the finnal collapse governemnts were spending to avoid. Citizens have no more room for spending due to maxed debt. Most companies are stagnant due to low consumer spending. Governement taxes are stagnant due to low corporate profits and lower citizen income. Most governments have reached their max debt range, where any more will ruin trust in their ability to pay back. Social spending debt can't continue as is. So there can be no more significant bailouts. There can be no more business growth based off of debt spending by consumers. It's game over for levels of function the current system is used to. It will either have to adapt to much poorer levels of consumerism, or disapear entirely. Both Socialism AND Capitalism have failed - but niether due to inherent flaws within the two systems. Instead due to poor monitary self control and forsight by governments, companies, consumers, and citizens.
NeverWoods Member	Thu Jul 01 14:02:04 When does capatalism fail? When it's beging capatalistic.
General Public Member	Thu Jul 01 15:06:06 "When does socialism fail?" Shortly after implementation.
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