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Asgard
Member Thu Jun 03 06:08:50
From a discussion here:

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Asgard
Member Thu Jun 03 06:02:07
Jergul, your blabbering bullshit.

Ultimately, even Hamas laughs at the activists, and does not want any help. You're right, it's not about humanitarian aid; it's about provoking Israel.
CrownRoyal
Member Thu Jun 03 06:04:53
"it's about provoking Israel. "

Mission accomplished, with spectacular success. Not sure if there was more high fiving and celebrating in Gaza, or in Tehran.
Asgard
Member Thu Jun 03 06:06:14
true that, CR. At no stage did I state Israel's move was any bit smart.
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I now realized - this is a positive development. As long as Hamas sticks to legitimizing itself to the world and reduces its use of atrocities such as suicide bombings, their effort is welcome.

Asgard
Member Thu Jun 03 06:11:26
well, a thank-you is an exaggeration, but it's a positive development, still.

Even the PLO, a legitimate organization, was once a terrorist organization. Nelson Mandela was also a terrorist at his beginning.

This does not excuse their wicked maliciousness, but it's a start.

jergul
Member Fri Jun 04 01:35:45
thereyago

Asgard
Member Fri Jun 04 05:03:30
Bitch.

Hot Rod Jackson
Member Sun Jun 06 15:18:22
DIE FOUL JEW KIKE!

Nimatzo
Member Sun Jun 06 19:38:43
>>and reduces its use of atrocities such as suicide bombings<<

They stopped using suicide bombs what 3 years ago? What was their last target, a check point?

So now what? After knowing this Asgard, where do we go from here?

Asgard
Member Sun Jun 06 19:53:41
"They stopped using suicide bombs what 3 years ago? What was their last target, a check point?"

There is a blockade what, 3 years already? This correlates to the stopping of terrorism from Gaza.

I mention gaza and no the WB because in the WB being a hamas member these days means being hunted down by the PLO who controls there with an iron fist.

So yes, you have just proven the blockade works.

And the last major suicide bombing was indeed from gaza, 2 years ago, a guy got out from the egyptian side and emerged in Eilat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat_bakery_bombing

Nimatzo
Member Sun Jun 06 19:58:50
It wasn't Hamas, and I was wrong, the last Hamas suicide bombing was 5 years ago. They stopped using suicide attack in 2005 and then officially renounced them in 2006.

So now that that is established, now what?

Nimatzo
Member Sun Jun 06 20:02:17
Just for the record, Israeli/Egyptian blockade started in 2007.

SmarterthanBush
Member Sun Jun 06 20:03:30
just for the record, Israel has not been destroyed yet, so there is as of yet nothing to thank hamas for

Nimatzo
Member Sun Jun 06 20:04:58
Hamas will never destroy Israel, Israel will destroy itself.

Asgard
Member Sun Jun 06 20:11:19
it is Hamas; not officially of course. Their aim to is gain recognition and suicide bombings are not the way to do that. So they use other organizations to take the responsibility. Either way, they are the top men for the job and their know-how and expertise is obviously lended to other organizations.

Besides, you are wrong - last Hamas (they admitted) attack was in feb 2008.
http://en....e_attacks#2008_.281_bombing.29

Nimatzo
Member Sun Jun 06 20:39:35
So it is Hamas, but covertly, because you say so, even though all the other sources say they are the Al Aqsa martyers brigade, who are tied to Fatah, the organization Israel sees as the legitimate Government of Palestine.

lol...ok.

Asgard
Member Sun Jun 06 20:42:36
no, it's not Hamas, that last one. got confused there

Nimatzo
Member Sun Jun 06 20:44:27
http://en...._attacks#2005_.289_bombings.29

Last Hamas suicide bombing.

Gush Katif checkpoint attack
January 18, 2005

Nimatzo
Member Mon Jun 07 09:41:22
But seriously Asgard, I was being serious, not antagonistic. Hamas has not being using suicide attacks for 5 years, these attacks stopped prior to the blockade, so we know it is not a consequence of said blockade.

>>Hamas sticks to legitimizing itself to the world and reduces its use of atrocities such as suicide bombings, their effort is welcome.<<

What now?

Asgard
Member Mon Jun 07 10:55:56
I was antagonistic, yes.

Nimatzo
Member Mon Jun 07 11:38:23
I said >I< was not being antagonistic when I asked you "now what?".

Asgard
Member Mon Jun 07 11:39:00
And I said <I> was.

Asgard
Member Mon Jun 07 11:39:26
This is funny, I wonder how many shapes I can make with I.

Nimatzo
Member Mon Jun 07 11:40:44
So now to my question?

Asgard
Member Mon Jun 07 11:42:25
Hamas legitimizing themselves is fine, so long as they start negotiating rather than fuck things up with love boats

Nimatzo
Member Mon Jun 07 15:10:45
What the hell does Hamas have to do with a group of activist deciding to break the blockade?

And Hamas did negotiate, you had a truce in 2008, Israel failed to live up to it. Continued to hunt Hamas members and blaming Hamas for whenever ANYONE farted too loudly in Gaza, startling some Israeli goats in the wilderness.

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Asgard Member	Thu Jun 03 06:08:50 From a discussion here: ------ Asgard Member Thu Jun 03 06:02:07 Jergul, your blabbering bullshit. Ultimately, even Hamas laughs at the activists, and does not want any help. You're right, it's not about humanitarian aid; it's about provoking Israel. CrownRoyal Member Thu Jun 03 06:04:53 "it's about provoking Israel. " Mission accomplished, with spectacular success. Not sure if there was more high fiving and celebrating in Gaza, or in Tehran. Asgard Member Thu Jun 03 06:06:14 true that, CR. At no stage did I state Israel's move was any bit smart. ---- I now realized - this is a positive development. As long as Hamas sticks to legitimizing itself to the world and reduces its use of atrocities such as suicide bombings, their effort is welcome.
Asgard Member	Thu Jun 03 06:11:26 well, a thank-you is an exaggeration, but it's a positive development, still. Even the PLO, a legitimate organization, was once a terrorist organization. Nelson Mandela was also a terrorist at his beginning. This does not excuse their wicked maliciousness, but it's a start.
jergul Member	Fri Jun 04 01:35:45 thereyago
Asgard Member	Fri Jun 04 05:03:30 Bitch.
Hot Rod Jackson Member	Sun Jun 06 15:18:22 DIE FOUL JEW KIKE!
Nimatzo Member	Sun Jun 06 19:38:43 >>and reduces its use of atrocities such as suicide bombings<< They stopped using suicide bombs what 3 years ago? What was their last target, a check point? So now what? After knowing this Asgard, where do we go from here?
Asgard Member	Sun Jun 06 19:53:41 "They stopped using suicide bombs what 3 years ago? What was their last target, a check point?" There is a blockade what, 3 years already? This correlates to the stopping of terrorism from Gaza. I mention gaza and no the WB because in the WB being a hamas member these days means being hunted down by the PLO who controls there with an iron fist. So yes, you have just proven the blockade works. And the last major suicide bombing was indeed from gaza, 2 years ago, a guy got out from the egyptian side and emerged in Eilat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat_bakery_bombing
Nimatzo Member	Sun Jun 06 19:58:50 It wasn't Hamas, and I was wrong, the last Hamas suicide bombing was 5 years ago. They stopped using suicide attack in 2005 and then officially renounced them in 2006. So now that that is established, now what?
Nimatzo Member	Sun Jun 06 20:02:17 Just for the record, Israeli/Egyptian blockade started in 2007.
SmarterthanBush Member	Sun Jun 06 20:03:30 just for the record, Israel has not been destroyed yet, so there is as of yet nothing to thank hamas for
Nimatzo Member	Sun Jun 06 20:04:58 Hamas will never destroy Israel, Israel will destroy itself.
Asgard Member	Sun Jun 06 20:11:19 it is Hamas; not officially of course. Their aim to is gain recognition and suicide bombings are not the way to do that. So they use other organizations to take the responsibility. Either way, they are the top men for the job and their know-how and expertise is obviously lended to other organizations. Besides, you are wrong - last Hamas (they admitted) attack was in feb 2008. http://en....e_attacks#2008_.281_bombing.29
Nimatzo Member	Sun Jun 06 20:39:35 So it is Hamas, but covertly, because you say so, even though all the other sources say they are the Al Aqsa martyers brigade, who are tied to Fatah, the organization Israel sees as the legitimate Government of Palestine. lol...ok.
Asgard Member	Sun Jun 06 20:42:36 no, it's not Hamas, that last one. got confused there
Nimatzo Member	Sun Jun 06 20:44:27 http://en...._attacks#2005_.289_bombings.29 Last Hamas suicide bombing. Gush Katif checkpoint attack January 18, 2005
Nimatzo Member	Mon Jun 07 09:41:22 But seriously Asgard, I was being serious, not antagonistic. Hamas has not being using suicide attacks for 5 years, these attacks stopped prior to the blockade, so we know it is not a consequence of said blockade. >>Hamas sticks to legitimizing itself to the world and reduces its use of atrocities such as suicide bombings, their effort is welcome.<< What now?
Asgard Member	Mon Jun 07 10:55:56 I was antagonistic, yes.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Jun 07 11:38:23 I said >I< was not being antagonistic when I asked you "now what?".
Asgard Member	Mon Jun 07 11:39:00 And I said <I> was.
Asgard Member	Mon Jun 07 11:39:26 This is funny, I wonder how many shapes I can make with I.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Jun 07 11:40:44 So now to my question?
Asgard Member	Mon Jun 07 11:42:25 Hamas legitimizing themselves is fine, so long as they start negotiating rather than fuck things up with love boats
Nimatzo Member	Mon Jun 07 15:10:45 What the hell does Hamas have to do with a group of activist deciding to break the blockade? And Hamas did negotiate, you had a truce in 2008, Israel failed to live up to it. Continued to hunt Hamas members and blaming Hamas for whenever ANYONE farted too loudly in Gaza, startling some Israeli goats in the wilderness.
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