Utopia Talk / Politics / Rand Paul and BP

CrownRoyal Member	Fri May 21 08:58:28 I like this guy. "On Good Morning America today, Paul also steered the conversation toward something more recent, President Obama's criticism of BP following the oil spill. Paul said: "This sort of, you know 'I'll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,' I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business." Paul continued: The President's reaction is "part of this sort of blame game society" where "it's always someone's fault." Paul added: "Maybe sometimes accidents happen." http://tpm...d-really-un-american-video.php
Rugian Member	Fri May 21 09:08:57 We've yet to find out what caused the accident in the first place. BP is not a leader in safety and prevention by a long shot, but with that said you can't automatically assume fault when it comes to natural disasters like this.
LazyCommunist Member	Fri May 21 09:20:44 "Natural disaster" LOL
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Fri May 21 09:39:48 "natural disasters like this." natural,yeah that's the ticket!
patom Member	Fri May 21 11:27:02 There has already been reports from one of the last people off the rig who claimes the rubber gasket or plug that is supposed to stop things like this was dammaged during the instellation of it. Probably going to be plenty of blame to go around.
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 12:17:23 Rand Paul is a racist fucking idiot. He is a textbook teabagger.
Seb Member	Fri May 21 12:35:07 rugian: "BP is not a leader in safety and prevention by a long shot," Actually it is. Amoco on the other hand, was shitty. BP ought never to have bought it.
Dickhead UPer Member	Fri May 21 12:39:50 "Rand Paul is a racist fucking idiot. He is a textbook teabagger. " Thought he was your type. Trouble in paradise?
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 12:45:49 My type? WTF? I am not racist, or republican, or a teabagger. Rand Paul and I have virtually nothing in common apart from being the same gender.
river of blood Member	Fri May 21 12:48:38 I think the racism claims are a bit overblown.... just like they were with his dad. Heck, with his dad, they were just outright lies.
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 12:53:50 "I think the racism claims are a bit overblown." I listened to 4 of his interviews this morning and it's pretty much cut and dried that he is for civil rights only in regards to anything involving government. He thinks a restaurant/store/bar/etc should be able to not allow people admittance based solely on skin color.
Freddy Got Fingered Member	Fri May 21 12:56:03 Well that definately minimizes your places to take your black boyfriends. So I can understand your anger.
Forwyn Member	Fri May 21 15:08:54 Businesses should be allowed to refuse service for any reason whatsoever. If anyone is to stop it it should be states or municipalities, certainly not the Fed.
Rugian Member	Fri May 21 15:10:37 "He thinks a restaurant/store/bar/etc should be able to not allow people admittance based solely on skin color." He believes that the right to conduct one's own business as they please should not be trumped by government regulations. I find it interesting that you disagree, you filthy socialist.
river of blood Member	Fri May 21 15:25:26 Honestly, how long would a store last in most places these days (in the US) that had a big sign hanging out in front that said "no niggers allowed"?
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Fri May 21 15:43:04 The problem is that libertarians like Rand and Ron Paul are philosophers and the political world - particularly the establishment media, doesn't know how to deal with actual thinkers. That's why you had his liberal opponent a few days ago saying that Rand Paul wanted to repeal the civil rights act and all of the insertion of 'racism' into what is actually a commonly discussed subject - private property rights - in libertarian circles. It's really a shame. You can't even have a philosophical discussion about the government's role in our lives without the liberal media rubbing their 9in clits all over it.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Fri May 21 15:44:12 Anyone else think that Fred has become a boring old piece of shit? I actually used to think he was pretty cool. Maybe it was HR's death that did it to him...
Dickhead UPer Member	Fri May 21 15:46:00 Careful, you may make him quit again.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Fri May 21 15:47:54 "He thinks a restaurant/store/bar/etc should be able to not allow people admittance based solely on skin color." - Or you could say he doesn't believe the federal government should have the right to tell a private restaurant/store/bar/etc who they can and cannot serve. If I go to a night club and they don't let me in due to the male to female ratio, I suppose you would suggest I call up the ACLU, right? If I wanted to provide a service on the top of a mountain only accessible by climbing said mountain, I suppose you would advice all the handicapped in the world to sue those wheel-chair hating bastards, right Fred?
Teabag Member	Fri May 21 15:57:05 "Maybe it was HR's death that did it to him... " Thought everyone knew he faked it. He is now the guardian.
werewolf dictator Member	Fri May 21 15:57:07 every other person in kentucky remembers when blacks must drink at different water fountains and he wants that kind of freedom restored. what a philosopher.
river of blood Member	Fri May 21 15:57:39 Well said, PPS.
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 16:41:02 "Well said, PPS. " Yeah, too bad he wasn't on topic. I was clearly discussing racism, PPS. But please, feel free to change the subject and then "dress me down" on it. Fucking idiot. You guys want to open a deli and hang a "no filthy jews" sign out front, I'll patronize your business. Other than that you're a bunch of racist fucks.
habebe Member	Fri May 21 16:42:51 How is racism really any different from sexism?
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 16:48:30 Sexism is about the sexes, male and female. Whereas racism is about races, negro, hispanic, caucasian, etc. There's quite a huge difference. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 16:50:56 "The problem is that libertarians like Rand and Ron Paul " The Paul duo are republicans not libertarians. They may possess some libertarian values but they are not party members. They are posers at best.
Adolf Hitler Member	Fri May 21 16:50:57 lol, its not like white men weren't allowed to vote or ride buses or drink from fountains until a couple of decades ago.
Adolf Hitler Member	Fri May 21 16:51:46 Oh won't someone pity the white male!
Dickhead UPer Member	Fri May 21 16:52:44 Good ol' Fred isn't racist, but insists using an outdated term that many blacks consider "racist".
Dickhead UPer Member	Fri May 21 16:53:21 Oh wait, my bad fred, that's how you and your gay black lovers talking in bed. Sorry.
Forwyn Member	Fri May 21 16:55:37 "Yeah, too bad he wasn't on topic. I was clearly discussing racism, PPS." And the point is there is no racism to discuss, you fucking moron.
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 16:58:22 "And the point is there is no racism to discuss, you fucking moron. " I interjected it and a discussion developed you fucking idiot mouth breather.
Forwyn Member	Fri May 21 17:02:13 A discussion developed on how defending private property rights is not racism. Which means PPS was right on topic. Go back to your hole.
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 17:06:32 You don't have the right to be racist in the business world, boy.
Pierre Member	Fri May 21 17:07:59 does that mean you will now stop your dumb jew hatred fred...
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 17:11:48 Jew is a religion not a race, faggot.
Forwyn Member	Fri May 21 17:12:14 Why is the business world special? You can't decide who you want to sell to at the expense of more customers?
Adolf Hitler Member	Fri May 21 17:12:25 ^ could see that one coming a mile away lol
Adolf Hitler Member	Fri May 21 17:12:37 @ fred
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 17:15:28 "You can't decide who you want to sell to at the expense of more customers?" You can't refuse a customer based on race. Don't you even know this simple fucking law? Christ man, you know nothing about civil rights laws but you run your fucking yapper like a Valley Girl on an 8-ball of meth.
Pierre Member	Fri May 21 17:18:08 refusing a customer because of their religion is illegal too fred...
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 17:19:16 Good thing I don't own a business then.
Adolf Hitler Member	Fri May 21 17:23:17 Whats this about? WASHINGTON â?? And the hits just keep coming from Kentucky Republican candidate Rand Paul. Having spent the past two days blowing up his political reputation by criticizing 1960s civil rights legislation that allowed African-Americans to eat at the same private lunch counters as whites, the GOPâ??s newest Senate candidate has ventured off into other treacherous waters. Read more: http://ful...other-minefield/#ixzz0obasBecv
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 17:24:09 Anyway, back to the OP: "Paul continued: The President's reaction is "part of this sort of blame game society" where "it's always someone's fault." Paul added: "Maybe sometimes accidents happen." Paul is claiming this is a simple accident when BP did NOT have the proper drilling permit to start with. The FED govt knew this and turned a blind eye. BP also did NOT have a plan in place in case such an "accident" occured. BP and the FED govt are to blame for this, and Paul is a fucking idiot.
Dickhead UPer Member	Fri May 21 17:24:12 Dont sell yourself short fred. You were a waiter, so that means you know everything about the restaurant business.
werewolf dictator Member	Fri May 21 17:25:02 so paul is not racist but he coincidentally holds same view as others in kentucky or texas who didnt or dont like letting blacks at same lunch counter.. a philosophy that permits racist discrimination in businesses and a philosophy racists naturally always embrace.. so supposing hes not racist it still makes one think on southern and border state social genealogy of morals for this philosophy.. also wtf his confederate sympathizer daddy who him self must remember segregation dont tell him stories of how businesses kept blacks out.. not hypothetically but omnipresently.. iow it is a philosophy developed by racists in a racist south even if paul decided he dont like racism.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Fri May 21 17:37:44 the philosophy of private property was developed by racists in a racist south?
river of blood Member	Fri May 21 17:47:09 lol
river of blood Member	Fri May 21 17:47:31 Some folks just.....don't....get it.
Rugian Member	Fri May 21 17:53:55 Freddy Member Fri May 21 16:50:56 "The problem is that libertarians like Rand and Ron Paul " The Paul duo are republicans not libertarians. They may possess some libertarian values but they are not party members. They are posers at best. Um... How the fuck are they NOT libertarians?
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 17:55:46 >>>>They may possess some libertarian values but they are not party members.<<<<<<< Miss that part, son?
Rugian Member	Fri May 21 17:57:01 *L*ibertarian* vs. *l*ibertarian. The LP did not invent libertarianism, no more than the Democratic Party invented democracy.
werewolf dictator Member	Fri May 21 17:58:52 philosophy that private property means right of refusing business by race etc was developed by and for racists in south and border states.. which is where people like pauls come from.. and what paul defends (where was you raised pps? i guess its coincidence you sympathize with confederates too..)
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 18:00:44 Hello everyone! It's time to play on of our favorite UP games! Semantics!!! Today's show guest stars Rugian as the anal thread fuckwad, and he will be trying to troll our resident senior Truck Driver, Freddy! ***Spoiler alert*** Rugian will fail.
habebe Member	Fri May 21 18:23:05 Fred, Well duh, but it is still judging someone on a a genetic issue that they can not control.
MrPresident07 Member	Fri May 21 19:50:41 You really think Rand Paul is racist because he believes in property rights? Burn in hell Fred. Paul is correct in saying these things. This goes back to the shit about banning smoking in restaurants and bars. Fucking ridiculous that people can't see principle being smashed all to pieces.
Rugian Member	Fri May 21 19:51:01 The only person who is trolling is the one saying that a libertarian must be a Libertarian. Fool.
Byron Member	Fri May 21 20:01:57 Rand Paul isn't racist. Just that he doesn't believe in civil rights and wants to revert back to segregation.
Freddy Member	Fri May 21 20:09:09 Rand Paul isn't racist. He just hates niggers.
Seeking Member	Fri May 21 20:11:06 Fred isn't racist. He just hates niggers.
Rugian Member	Fri May 21 20:19:19 ^the cop lover is correct
Aeros Member	Fri May 21 20:20:59 Ultra Libertarianism sounds good on paper I suppose, until you try and run for national office. I am honestly very surprised he tried to argue that a business must always be above the law.
river of blood Member	Fri May 21 20:51:25 "I am honestly very surprised he tried to argue that a business must always be above the law." Link?
Forwyn Member	Sat May 22 11:00:43 "You can't refuse a customer based on race. Don't you even know this simple fucking law?" Law does not define morality, ethics, or principle. There really is not arguing with Fred.
Forwyn Member	Sat May 22 11:00:51 no*
garyd Member	Sat May 22 11:21:47 If BP didn't have the proper permit and the government didn't shut them down is that BP's fault or the governemnts failure to take the necessary preventive action?
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Sat May 22 12:28:10 "philosophy that private property means right of refusing business by race etc was developed by and for racists in south and border states.. " So a privately owned business being considered private property was developed by racists in the racist south?
Aeros Member	Sat May 22 14:32:51 No, but a Privately owned business is not a kingdom divorced from Society. It exists with the same national borders as everything else, and must therefore be subject to this countries laws, or the laws of the State in which it resides. If the laws say's you cannot deny service on race alone, that is the law and the business must obey.
Aeros Member	Sat May 22 14:34:17 I am shocked you would find this hard PPS. You've argued for corporate personhood in the past. Part of being a responsible "person" in a society is adhering to societies laws. Even actions taken in the privacy of your own home can be illegal in some cases.
Rugian Member	Sat May 22 14:46:33 Dumbass Aeros is confusing "repealing a law" with "companies being ABOVE [ie, ignoring] the law." Could you be any stupider Aeros?
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Sat May 22 15:01:43 "No, but a Privately owned business is not a kingdom divorced from Society. It exists with the same national borders as everything else, and must therefore be subject to this countries laws, or the laws of the State in which it resides." - And so one is automatically racist and wrong to question or ponder the existence of those laws? Answer this hypothetical honestly Aeros: I am having a social BBQ at my home from now on every Friday night. It is open to all of the public within a 3 mile radius from my home. Everyone is invited... with the exception of latinos. Do you believe I have to right to do such a thing? Afterall, on Friday nights, my home is not a private kingdom divorced from society. It also exists with the same national borders as everything else. So what do you think Aeros?
habebe Member	Sat May 22 15:06:36 " the cop lover is correct" No he isn't, I'm sure Fred hates Jews way* more than niggers. Aeros, " I am honestly very surprised he tried to argue that a business must always be above the law." Cite? Do always wear those rose colored glasses? " I am shocked you would find this hard PPS. You've argued for corporate personhood in the past. Part of being a responsible "person" in a society is adhering to societies laws. Even actions taken in the privacy of your own home can be illegal in some cases." This is no different than the government prohibiting alcohol and forcing businesses to close on sundays or even abortion, it is the government trying to force morals on the citizens in their private lives.
Aeros Member	Sat May 22 15:50:13 "private lives." You have just nailed it on the head my friend. A business is not "Private" in the classical sense of personal privacy. It may be owned by an individual, but its shingle is put up in the public sphere in the hopes of gaining money from said public. In addition, it must also receive its licence to do business from the Government, which means it must adhere to certain rules. You are right, it is no different then the government mandating all stores be closed on Sunday or cannot serve certain types of booze. However, those are all things State and Local Governments can do, and actually still do in some regions. In the case of the Federal Government, they are upholding certain constitutional protocols against discrimination in society by enforcing the civil rights act on businesses.
Rugian Member	Sat May 22 15:53:58 " However, those are all things State and Local Governments can do" But they SHOULDN'T do. I know, I know, whenever the government has the ability to do something you automatically think they should do it, no matter how horrifying it is, but do try to see the distinction. "In the case of the Federal Government, they are upholding certain constitutional protocols against discrimination in society" Title legislation is not part of the Constitution and in fact the Constitution provides no such mandate to uphold bullshit like "civil rights." Try again.
habebe Member	Sat May 22 16:06:54 " However, those are all things State and Local Governments can do" Now you have hit the nail on the head.Why should some guy in Alaska have the right to tell someone in New Mexico when they can or can not serve alcohol?That is absurd. " In the case of the Federal Government, they are upholding certain constitutional protocols against discrimination in society by enforcing the civil rights act on businesses." Could you cite what part of the US Constitution you are referencing?
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Sat May 22 17:06:30 since it was ignored: "Answer this hypothetical honestly Aeros: I am having a social BBQ at my home from now on every Friday night. It is open to all of the public within a 3 mile radius from my home. Everyone is invited... with the exception of latinos. Do you believe I have to right to do such a thing? Afterall, on Friday nights, my home is not a private kingdom divorced from society. It also exists with the same national borders as everything else. So what do you think Aeros? "
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