Utopia Talk / Politics / Traveling is a human right?

The Guardian Member	Tue Apr 20 16:32:40 Jeannie DeAngelis Just when New Zealand seemed like the place to move, with the centre-right government, "considering cutting income tax rates," and all, and the European Union comes out with a proposal that makes it hard to chose where expatriates should go when fleeing the US. Americans used to think that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness encompassed the basis for human rights and now the European Union confuses the issue by declaring, "traveling a human right." That's right, we can now add traveling to the list directly behind the right to universal health care. The EU is so dedicated to insuring the right to traveling that they are "launching a scheme to subsidize vacations with taxpayers' dollars for those too poor to afford their own trips." Do they fund haircuts in Europe too, because everyone needs a haircut now and again? Call it the right to good grooming. The Times of London reports Antonio Tajani, the European Union commissioner for enterprise and industry, "proposed a strategy" that if the right to vacation program becomes universal, it could cost EU taxpayers as much as half a billion dollars a year. Mere pittance when measured against subsidizing tours to Madrid. America too is descending further and further into European style socialism, while Barack and his band of belligerent reformers promote a new bill of rights right here at home. Obama's "halves and halves not" bill includes homes, free education, health care and support of 50% of the population by the other 50%. What's to stop vacations from being added to the "rights" list? The European Union commissioner claims that, "Traveling for tourism today is a right. The way we spend our holidays is a formidable indicator of our quality of life." Sort of like Obama believing being denied the right to health care affects America's quality of life. The EU commissioner for enterprise and industry has yet to decide, "Just who gets to enjoy the travel package." It is likely EU taxpayers would be forced to foot, "some of the vacation bill for seniors, youths between the ages of 18 and 25, disabled people, and families facing "difficult social, financial or personal" circumstances." One additional person will be subsidized for each single disabled or elderly traveler because human rights advocates know that free vacations include the right to travel with a friend. In the EU where income taxes combined with VAT can siphon off upwards of 70% of personal income, what's an additional tax burden to ensure travel funds for the underprivileged? Especially, if hard earned money is going to the morally righteous cost of cultural appreciation tours for overworked youth, elderly hangers on and the trek-bound disabled. What's wrong with paying people to go on vacation? Steal from one group all year long and then provide the indigent with a treat--a subsidized Hawaiian shirt, carry on luggage and a weeklong cheap holiday. That's change, even Barack Obama and globetrotting Michelle can believe in, right behind energy efficient vehicles, healthy food and the right to affordable housing. European Union commissioner Mr. Tajani has one specific goal, which is to ensure the "right to be tourists," remains integral to the proposal. According to Tajani, "right to travel" will be a pilot program until 2013, and then fully launched. Perfect! Because if the right to gratis holidays has not been passed into law in the US by the 2012 election, insolvent Americans can always move to socialist Europe, which by then will be a familiar home away from home, and in the process, maybe even get a free vacation.
Cloud Strife Member	Tue Apr 20 16:33:30 When the hell did being wealthy become a right? This species is going soft.
The Guardian Member	Tue Apr 20 16:35:18 When being wealth m,ade you happy. "Life, liberty and the pursuit of ha[ppiness."
Cloud Strife Member	Tue Apr 20 16:37:00 `pursuit of happiness' is very different from happiness. In the sense that being free to make money is very different from being free to be given money.
The Guardian Member	Tue Apr 20 16:38:38 If Europe does it, it is only a matter of time till the US starts it too.
Madc0w Member	Tue Apr 20 16:40:25 Being privileged is not a right.
Cloud Strife Member	Tue Apr 20 16:40:27 Ok NotHotRod. Whatever you say.
The Guardian Member	Tue Apr 20 16:46:05 This is another entitlement. Politicians on both sides of the pond seem intent on giving us more and more entitlements. Sounds good on paper, but what happens when the entitlements exceed income to the point where they can no longer be afforded. Look what happens in Europe when the conservatives try to cut entitlements to be more fiscally responsible. Rioting in the streets.
Freddy Member	Tue Apr 20 16:55:41 You all have the right to blow me.
saiko Member	Tue Apr 20 17:17:30 "Look what happens in Europe when the conservatives try to cut entitlements to be more fiscally responsible. Rioting in the streets." And of course if something has popular support that means ITS SOCIALISM.
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 20 23:15:44 "And of course if something has popular support that means ITS SOCIALISM. " If something as fucking stupid as this proposal has popular support then yes, it is probably socialism. Seriously, how can anyone back this retardedness?
habebe Member	Tue Apr 20 23:22:20 It is pretty fucking ridiculous. What about poor people who do not have enough video games?
Sam Adams Member	Tue Apr 20 23:33:14 dumb people suck
Forwyn Member	Wed Apr 21 05:38:26 "And of course if something has popular support that means ITS SOCIALISM." Popular support != a minority who are receiving government checks pissed at the thought of not receiving government checks
asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa Member	Wed Apr 21 06:09:46 Travelling as a human right is ok. Subventions for it are not ok.
so what Member	Wed Apr 21 15:42:21 I sense that the force is strong in the European travel lobby.
Aeros Member	Wed Apr 21 19:02:27 "I sense that the force is strong in the European travel lobby." yep
KreeL Member	Thu Apr 22 01:38:32 Traveling is just as much a human right as freedom.
habebe Member	Thu Apr 22 01:56:59 The right to get up and go where you like is, but not on someone elses dollar.
habebe Member	Thu Apr 22 01:58:15 Freedom isn't really a right though, it's too vague a concept, you could say freedom of speech, religion, travel, property etc.
charper Member	Thu Apr 22 01:58:27 ""I sense that the force is strong in the European travel lobby." yep " Also, the force of a really pissed off public that are venting their anger on the travel industry.
habebe Member	Thu Apr 22 02:02:19 How is subsidizing travel going to harm the travel industry?
charper Member	Thu Apr 22 02:16:33 who are you talking to?
habebe Member	Thu Apr 22 02:19:07 You, I don't see how subidizing travel displays anger towards the travel industry.
charper Member	Thu Apr 22 02:25:42 Thats because Ive never said anything that even resembles that, you fucking waste of time. sigh
habebe Member	Thu Apr 22 02:32:32 In a thread talking about the subsidizing of travel you post " Also, the force of a really pissed off public that are venting their anger on the travel industry." You are retarded.
charper Member	Thu Apr 22 02:36:39 because thats a fact, you fucking idiot.
charper Member	Thu Apr 22 02:38:30 The general public is really pissed all over europe and they're turning their massive displeasure on and pressuring the travel industry. This is a fact, you fucking retard. It doesnt mean I think travel should or should not be subsidized, you retarded little object.
habebe Member	Thu Apr 22 02:38:36 " You are retarded. charper Member Thu Apr 22 02:36:39 because thats a fact, you fucking idiot. " HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
charper Member	Thu Apr 22 02:42:12 See how I made a topical comment on the state of affairs concerning this and you did nothing but be a retard and spam, you unintelligent blob? lol...
patom Member	Thu Apr 22 06:01:38 So if poor people are given tickets to travel, will they have money to spend when they get to wherever they are going? Speaking of travel in Europe, since the EU was formed, do you have to carry a passport and show it at every border crossing as in the old days? Or are you able to cross borders like we do state borders in the US?
charper Member	Thu Apr 22 06:04:27 We are now able to cross borders like you do state borders in the US.
patom Member	Thu Apr 22 06:11:28 So what's the problem? Stick your thumb out and hitch a ride. Christ, I went all over hells half acre as a teenager that way.
charper Member	Thu Apr 22 07:28:31 perhaps you werent a middle aged family with 3 whining kids in the back seat?
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