Utopia Talk / Politics / R-Va lies about "attempt on his life"

Hellfire Member	Fri Mar 26 19:31:18 http://www.../individual/2010_03/023068.php March 26, 2010 ONE INCIDENT IS REAL, ONE IS NOT.... Arguably this week's most dangerous instance of Tea Party extremism involves Rep. Tom Perriello (D-Va.). Right-wing activists posted what they thought was the congressman's home address, but it turned out to be the address of his brother's house. That detail didn't stop someone from going to the home and, according to the FBI, deliberately severing a gas line. Today, however, the Washington Post editorial page drew a parallel between the Perriello incident and "the bullet fired through a window of Mr. Cantor's campaign office." And this is why the Washington Post editorial board makes me sad. To be sure, I can understand why the Post might be confused. Eric Cantor (R-Va.), the House Minority Whip, told reporters in a nationally televised news conference yesterday: "I've received threats since I assumed elected office -- not only because of my position, but also because I'm Jewish. I've never blamed anyone in this body for that. "Just recently I have been directly threatened: A bullet was shot through the window of my campaign office in Richmond this week." The remarks generated some strikingly irresponsible "journalism." Fox News told viewers about the incident in which a "gunman shoots up" the office of the Republican House leader. At this point, here's what we know about Cantor's tall tale (details that were available yesterday, and which the WaPo editorial board should have considered before publishing): 1. Cantor was never threatened. In fact, local police believe the bullet had been fired in the air, and ended up hitting a window at random. 2. It wasn't Cantor's campaign office. 3. The office was not "shot up." According to a statement from the Richmond Police Department, "The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room." Taken together, what Cantor told reporters -- and the entire country -- was clearly false. When he said he was "directly threatened," Cantor was either shamelessly, blatantly lying, or he was popping off about a harmless incident without getting his facts straight. It's a credibility-killing moment for the Minority Whip, or at least it would be if major media outlets were willing to consider the veracity of his claim. At this point, Cantor has a responsibility to apologize and/or retract his bogus claim.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Mar 26 21:43:06 How are they not equal? dumb hippy?
Ninja Member	Fri Mar 26 22:26:34 "How are they not equal?" Did you bother reading? 1. Cantor was never threatened. In fact, local police believe the bullet had been fired in the air, and ended up hitting a window at random. 2. It wasn't Cantor's campaign office. 3. The office was not "shot up." According to a statement from the Richmond Police Department, "The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room."
Renzo Marquez Member	Fri Mar 26 22:43:40 Wow, liberals are retarded.
habebe Member	Fri Mar 26 23:28:29 " local police believe the bullet had been fired in the air, and ended up hitting a window at random. " I'm curious as to what led them to this idea.Did they catch the shooter?Does his window frequently get shot at?
kargen Member	Fri Mar 26 23:31:40 "Arguably this week's most dangerous instance of Tea Party extremism" We find this in an article about the press not taking time to get their facts straight. How the fuck does this guy or anybody else know whether or not the person that cut that line is a part of the Tea Party. Just as good a chance it is simply a neighbor tired of smelling hickory smoke coming from the grill. Yeah it was the most serious incedent, but claiming to know what group did it is even more irresponible than the rest of the press reporting on the bullet through the window. "Cantor was never threatened." Actually he has been threatened through the form of letters as have many members of congress. It would be correct to say the bullet incedent was not a threat, but wrong to say he was never threatened.
kargen Member	Fri Mar 26 23:33:13 and he didn't fucking lie. He was told a bullet was shot through his window and that is what he reported. It was later that the police announced that the trajectory of the bullet showed it was a random shot. After that came out all the tv news outlets ran with that saying it was just bad timing and a coincedence.
mexicantornado Member	Fri Mar 26 23:50:49 Haha, HF thinks this is a good op ed.
Ninja Member	Sat Mar 27 00:01:49 "I'm curious as to what led them to this idea." Following links from the site: http://the...il-shooting-of-cantors-office/ A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. "He was told a bullet was shot through his window and that is what he reported. " http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/26/851031/-Cantors-campaign-office-isnt-in-his-congressional-district "... the building isn't even in Eric Cantor's congressional district, and it's not his campaign headquarters. Instead, the building (located here) is actually in Virginia's 3rd congressional district (map here). Cantor represents the 7th. Probably because the building isn't in Cantor's CD, it doesn't have any actual campaign posters or other markings to indicate that Cantor has an office inside it. Moreover, the building's address is not listed on his campaign website, so even if the bullet hadn't been fired randomly, it's virtually impossible to imagine how somebody could possibly have decided to target this location. The final question is this: even if the bullet hadn't been fired randomly, even if somehow somebody figured out that Cantor had a campaign office inside this building which is not in Cantor's congressional district and is not listed on Cantor's website, then why in the world would someone who had gone through all those hoops end up firing the bullet into the wrong office? Remember, even though he has an office in the building, his office itself was not struck."
mexicantornado Member	Sat Mar 27 00:10:51 So Cantor tells the press what the police tell him, that information doesn't pan out and you call Cantor a liar. Lol.
Ninja Member	Sat Mar 27 00:12:39 "So Cantor tells the press what the police tell him" Where did the cops tell him that someone "shot up" his office? It wasn't even his office!
mexicantornado Member	Sat Mar 27 00:14:28 So you think Cantor, without being told by anyone but knowing his office wasn't the one that had a bullet shot through it, jumped up on the press box and lied knowing his lie would be revealed within 24 hours?
kargen Member	Sat Mar 27 00:20:56 "Where did the cops tell him that someone "shot up" his office? It wasn't even his office!" Where did Canter say someone "shot up" his office? ""... the building isn't even in Eric Cantor's congressional district, and it's not his campaign headquarters." he does however have a campaign office in that building. Where it is doesn't really matter.
Ninja Member	Sat Mar 27 00:23:44 wouldn't be the first time. Still waiting for you to source that.
Ninja Member	Sat Mar 27 00:30:46 "A bullet was shot through the window of my campaign office in Richmond this week" were his exact words. Except it wasn't his campaign offices and why was he talking about threats against him if he wasn't trying to imply that it was an attempt on his life? "he does however have a campaign office in that building. " but the shot wasn't at HIS office.
garyd Member	Sat Mar 27 00:31:20 Still waiting for you to prove it isn't his office... Just becuase it isn't in his district doean't mean it can't be his office. Right now no one knows who severed the gasline to his freaking grill. For all we know Pirello did it trying to get some sympathy.
charper Member	Sat Mar 27 01:57:58 "How the fuck does this guy or anybody else know whether or not the person that cut that line is a part of the Tea Party. Just as good a chance it is simply a neighbor tired of smelling hickory smoke coming from the grill. " After just passing a revolutionary bill which has enraged half of the USA, yeah, thats just as good a chance. In dumdumdum Naiveasia.
garyd Member	Sat Mar 27 01:59:47 You are not only an idiot you are an unbelievably boorish idiot charper.
habebe Member	Sat Mar 27 02:00:42 " After just passing a revolutionary bill which has enraged half of the USA" Even by your own words you claim that half of the US is "enraged" and yet it's somehow a tea party member? which constitutes like what 0.3% of the US pop? if that
charper Member	Sat Mar 27 02:11:38 I havent said its a tea party member have I. I youre a cop and youre looking at a vandalized gas pipe, meanwhile there are a 150 million people really, really pissed at you, youre a fucking dumbass, retarded, naive hick of a moron cop if you go: "Well Bill, looks like we got us a case of hickory smoke intolerant neighbor here." Fucking pea-brains lol
charper Member	Sat Mar 27 02:11:54 *If youre a cop
garyd Member	Sat Mar 27 02:14:42 If you are a cop instead of a flaming leftist ass wipe you don't discount any possibility until the investigation is done...
habebe Member	Sat Mar 27 02:15:09 I didn't say you said that, but the article in question sure does.
charper Member	Sat Mar 27 02:17:49 I thought you give that leftist childishness up after you made a thread saying how stupid the left and right dichotomy is which I then filled up with your dumbass quotes showing you use the terms more than anyone on the board, you uneducated redneck snake charmer?
charper Member	Sat Mar 27 02:21:54 "If you are a cop instead of a flaming leftist ass wipe you don't discount any possibility until the investigation is done... " Who said I did, you stupid fucking moron. You do make a judgement as to which is more likely however and in this case, youre a blabbering, drooling, fucking inbred hick of a cop if you think the two are equally likely.
habebe Member	Sat Mar 27 02:22:19 FLAME WAR FLAME WAR FLAME WAR FLAME WAR FLAME WAR
garyd Member	Sat Mar 27 02:26:30 It's me and old dumbass in the same thread and we obviously bring out the worst in each other so what did you expect? As far as the left and right dichotomy it serves a useful pupose to limited extent that it actually helps people know where you are coming from for the purpose of determining precisely how totalitarian a regime one would impose it is essentially useless. Just like you.
habebe Member	Sat Mar 27 02:29:32 I don't mind, I have popcorn:)
Paramount Member	Sat Mar 27 02:40:35 It was probably Cantor himself who shot the gun and then he went to the press to tell them he is being attacked.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Mar 27 06:06:44 Let me see if I get this. Cantor went from being "directly threatened" to always-entertaining, "Sorry, I did not know the facts before I opened my stupid mouth, but I opened it nevertheless" defence? Would that be a good summary?
mexicantornado Member	Mon Mar 29 13:00:19 Actually a dude just got arrested for plotting to kill Cantor. Egg on all your lefty faces.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Mar 29 13:01:12 Up to 15 years in prison. Haha, RIP Charper, Hellfire, CR and Paramount. http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=12221113
Paramount Member	Mon Mar 29 13:04:28 "Actually a dude just got arrested for plotting to kill Cantor." The dude is probably an actor, paid for by Cantor himself, to take the blame for the shooting. Cantor probably told the actor to pretend to be a liberal or something. These things happens all the time. Have you ever seen a movie? Happens all the time.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Mar 29 13:06:02 Lol well at least you have a good sense of humor.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Mar 29 13:16:07 "Haha, RIP Charper, Hellfire, CR " How would that new info invalidate anything I said, pocho? Was Cantor talking about this guy when he described the attack on his (or not his) office?
mexicantornado Member	Mon Mar 29 13:41:27 "Let me see if I get this. Cantor went from being "directly threatened" to always-entertaining, "Sorry, I did not know the facts before I opened my stupid mouth, but I opened it nevertheless" defence? Would that be a good summary? " This is what you wrote CR. And no that is clearly not a good summary as he was in fact directly threatened which is why a guy in Pennsylvania is now looking at a 15 year stretch. But nice try dipshit.
redblooded Member	Mon Mar 29 13:57:29 Damn that Cantor is a real piece of work, playing the victim again by stressing his jewishness. Wouldn't at all be surprised if Cantor thought up this act. Als no surprise, that people like mexicantornado is gloating over the fact that Cantor has convinced the authorities to arrest a man for making a youtube clip to make use of his freedom of expression.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Mar 29 14:35:27 "This is what you wrote CR. And no that is clearly not a good summary as he was in fact directly threatened which is why a guy in Pennsylvania is now looking at a 15 year stretch. But nice try dipshit." is this the guy who fired the bullet into the air that later landed in the window of Cantors non-office? Isn't it a different case? Why wasn't it a good summary, beanie?
kargen Member	Mon Mar 29 21:48:14 but the shot wasn't at HIS office. and he might not have known that at the time? "I havent said its a tea party member have I." No but the original article starting this thread did and that is what I was referring to. Very idiotic to be complaining about spotty journalism while practicing it. My point was/is there is no way to know (short of a confession) whether the person cutting the line was in the teaparty movement or not. "Let me see if I get this. Cantor went from being "directly threatened" to always-entertaining, "Sorry, I did not know the facts before I opened my stupid mouth, but I opened it nevertheless" defence? Would that be a good summary? " You gotta remember there were threatening phonecalls unrelated to the bullet. With the bullet he obviously jumped in before knowing any details, but that doesn't negate the other threats
river of blood Member	Tue Mar 30 02:54:26 Jesus what lying crock of shit.
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Mar 30 03:15:04 "With the bullet he obviously jumped in before knowing any details, but that doesn't negate the other threats " Well, I was referring to his bullet statement, as was pretty much everyone else. Cantor - "Just recently, I have been directly threatened. A bullet was shot through the window of my campaign office in Richmond this week,". I guess people were supposed to understand that Cantor was talking about separate, non-related incidents, eh? He was threatened AND a bullet was shot through his window.
kargen Member	Tue Mar 30 17:50:40 "I guess people were supposed to understand that Cantor was talking about separate, non-related incidents, eh? He was threatened AND a bullet was shot through his window." If you were not dependent on two second soundbites yes. He specifically mentioned three threatening phone calls made to his office.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Mar 31 01:37:24 "If you were not dependent on two second soundbites yes. He specifically mentioned three threatening phone calls made to his office." Yes, I know that. I am talking about the phrase - "Just recently, I have been directly threatened. A bullet was shot through the window of my campaign office in Richmond this week". Could you post the alternative to two-second soundbite, where it is clear that Cantor talks about separate incidents? Because on paper, it sure looks like the "direct threat" comes from that shot through the window of his office.
charper Member	Wed Mar 31 05:41:53 Kargen...full o shit since 1968
kargen Member	Wed Mar 31 16:43:10 Charper I have been speaking since sometime in 1963. CrownRoyal I can't find the full video of the press conference. I watched it and he mentioned three phone calls. he said one was because he is Jewish and I don't remember what the other two were about. He also said he was getting threatening E-mails but would not release details because he felt that just incited more. There are some articles that mention the E-mails, but so far not the phone calls. Him being the only jew in the Senate though I have no doubt that he receives threatening and harassing phonecalls. I've been around a few Senators and Representatives and it seems to me they all get some threatening mail or calls from time to time. What is different this time though is the sheer number of threats and how much the threats seem to have rachetted up. Anyway watching the conference it was easy to understand that the bullet was not the only threat though at that time he thought it the most serious. According to one article I read Cantor mentioned the bullet because of the number of inquiries the police department was getting. Not sure if that is true or not. Seems to me that might just generate more inquiries.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Apr 01 01:26:07 "CrownRoyal I can't find the full video of the press conference. I watched it and he mentioned three phone calls. he said one was because he is Jewish and I don't remember what the other two were about. He also said he was getting threatening E-mails but would not release details because he felt that just incited more. " Here is the full video, took me five seconds to find it. The relevant quote is on at about 00:59. "Just recently, I have been directly threatened. A bullet was shot through the window of my campaign office in Richmond this week, and I received threatening emails." Again, I know that he said other stuff, about other threats, like emails, jewsihness and calls. Its the "directly threatened" and the "shot" that got the things going. http://www...8SD7BQ&feature=player_embedded Anyway, I can't argue about his motives. He said what he said, its on video. He claims he didn't know that it was the random gunfire at the time of his press conference, ok. But he did know that it wasn't really his office, it wasn't in his district, it has no signs that Cantor is associated with this office, the address was never mentioned on his website, etc. He knew all that and yet he chose to mention it before police reached their conclusions. So, I believe my initial analysis stands.
kargen Member	Thu Apr 01 01:54:20 "But he did know that it wasn't really his office, it wasn't in his district," Whether it was in his district or not doesn't matter. ANd how are you so certain he knew it wasn't his office? Actually that wasn't the video I was looking for. There is another where he specifically mentions three phonecalls. This one he is very clear though that the bullet was not the only threat. He states he has also received threatening E-mails. "So, I believe my initial analysis stands." and I agreed with that a long time ago. He jumped the gun on the bullet thing. I was just pointing out that he had also received other threats and they were legit.
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