Utopia Talk / Politics / So I went to the doctor today

Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 05:32:35 So I went to the doctor today after whacking my head on cement on the weekend to make sure that nothing was wrong (was originally wanting to get booked in for an x-ray to ensure there was no chipped bone, or damage beyond a black eye) He felt my skull, prodded my skull to see if various things hurt, checked my vision and told me he was fine. At no point did he discuss expensive treatments, drugs, surgeries or anything else. Photo of the day after is here: http://www...8397&l=16438a8e00&id=705741323 Can RoB explain this uncharacteristic lack of extortion or cheating? For me at least, this sort of behaviour is turning into a trend. I don't understand. (Maybe that's because I whacked my head, though...)
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Feb 22 05:38:28 Good thing that you don't have syphilis.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 05:43:23 They didn't do a blood test (yet another test that could have been done and could have been charged for) so the possibilities are still open.
BigDickNegro Member	Mon Feb 22 05:49:28 Dude you look like the elephant man.
NeverWoods Member	Mon Feb 22 05:50:13 Drink water eat carrots, that should cure the syphilis, by further proving the point if you fallow that diet and get a blood test you won't have syphilis because of the diet.
insurance industry New Member	Mon Feb 22 05:57:55 Was it an American doctor, or an American hospital?
patom Member	Mon Feb 22 06:04:13 Well it's far from your ass so you don't have to sit on it. Did you have to fly to the US to see a Doctor? All the right wingers here think if you have national health care you have to wait months to see a doctor.
saiko Member	Mon Feb 22 06:12:44 Dude. You're Tom's brother?
asdasdfasdfasdfasdfa Member	Mon Feb 22 06:15:41 "He felt my skull, prodded my skull to see if various things hurt, checked my vision and told me he was fine. " I'm glad that the doctor is fine. How about you though? Anything wrong with the head?
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 08:35:22 >>Did you have to fly to the US to see a Doctor? All the right wingers here think if you have national health care you have to wait months to see a doctor. << Walked in. For a GP, anyway. >>I'm glad that the doctor is fine. How about you though? Anything wrong with the head? << Bah. I was fine :P
patom Member	Mon Feb 22 08:43:49 "Walked in. For a GP, anyway." Well you must have paid a small fotune to get right in to see a Doctor.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 08:45:09 Didn't pay anything.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 08:46:18 The not paying anything was a touch unusual, usually it costs about $30 US after rebate to see the doctor. But that's the joy of being a student.
Dakyron Member	Mon Feb 22 09:43:43 Are you sure he was a doctor?
xyz1 Member	Mon Feb 22 09:44:46 Camaban Moderator Mon Feb 22 08:46:18 The not paying anything was a touch unusual, usually it costs about $30 US after rebate to see the doctor. Ha! My co-pay is only $15! American health care > socialist commie Australian health care. It's now undisputed FACT.
Still Well Member	Mon Feb 22 09:45:14 <- pays nothing
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 09:46:37 >>Are you sure he was a doctor? << Well, he wore a white coat. So probably. >>The not paying anything was a touch unusual, usually it costs about $30 US after rebate to see the doctor. Ha! My co-pay is only $15! American health care > socialist commie Australian health care. It's now undisputed FACT. << I'm a student with actually pretty decent health insurance. I know that whatever happens to me financially, I will continue to have health insurance. And by-and-large (with exceptions) a pretty decent service is delivered.
rlver of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 09:48:56 He was probably an incompetent ass like most doctors. This doesn't mean anything. You could have a brain tumor poking out of your ears and he'd send you home with a bottle of aspirin. But if you had a simple headache he'd probably send you hope after cutting into your skull and giving you a hemispherectomy and a wheelbarrow full of expensive meds.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 09:52:04 Wait. So if I had something that he could really get the meds out on and charge shitloads for, he'd send me home with a cheap bottle of aspirin? Anyhow, lets take a bet. I bet that in a weeks time, I will not have died of an aneurysm or any brain-related causes. If I lose, I will leave these forums forever. You game to take the bet on the same stakes?
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 09:54:42 On a more serious note, you do realise that a simple headache persisting days after taking a rather large whack to the head is probably serious, right?
rlver of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 09:58:03 No I'm saying one instance of a doctor neglecting to bend you over the table for a couple grand does not mean anything, and it's just as likely that he has completely overlooked something wrong with you and you have to go back later he really will rape you for a few Gs.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 09:59:46 Well, it's just that for me, this is a string of instances of where I haven't been bent over and raped for useless meds, even after specifically requesting them. Indeed, I'd go so far as to call it a pattern. Although I suppose in your world, something is only a pattern when a bunch of parents to random, different things to their kids then claim improvement.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Feb 22 10:14:13 Last time I was at the doctor, I payed 100 SEK to see him. Which is about 12 US dollars. Swedish health care is divided into two main portion, you have the primary health care that is made up of clinics and health care centers and then the secondary which is made up of the hospitals and specialists. For non emergency problems you go to the primary health care who will then escalate if needed.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 10:17:58 to random = do random
Madc0w Member	Mon Feb 22 11:02:54 He did not recommend for you to eat lots of carrots while drinking water, so he failed to do his job right.
Madc0w Member	Mon Feb 22 11:03:42 You will suffer serious brain damage btw and risk sinking into a coma if you do not start eating carrots ASAP.
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 12:57:33 I love how you morons hound me about being unscientific in the area of health but then a single anectdote is supposed to prove your claim that MDs aren't ignorant theiving rapists. Commit group suicide already.
saiko Member	Mon Feb 22 14:06:56 A single data point can falsify a universal statement.
Madc0w Member	Mon Feb 22 16:13:38 Physicians are more interested in providing the best care than they are in making money off you.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 16:19:05 >>I love how you morons hound me about being unscientific in the area of health but then a single anectdote is supposed to prove your claim that MDs aren't ignorant theiving rapists. Commit group suicide already. << In this case, it's more a lifelong experience in not and never having anything that backs up yet another thing you say. This is simply throwing yet another example on the pile. However, if you're quite willing to go on record as not believing that anecdotal evidence is acceptable, I'm quite willing to accept that statement and then save the thread in which you said it. So, in black and white: Is anecdotal evidence acceptable? Yes or no?
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 16:44:01 "Physicians are more interested in providing the best care than they are in making money off you." 1) That's arguable. 2) You can be "interested" in anything you want, that doesn't mean you are competent or knowledgable. "In this case, it's more a lifelong experience in not and never having anything that backs up yet another thing you say." I can't help it if your perception is warped and therefore you can't see what the hell is going on right in front of you.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Feb 22 16:44:40 "I love how you morons hound me about being unscientific in the area of health but then a single anectdote is supposed to prove your claim that MDs aren't ignorant theiving rapists. Commit group suicide already. " You don't have to be jealous of the doctors just because they have a career and a house. If you try hard enough, even a complete retard like yourself can find gainful employment and move out of your parents' garage.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 16:49:36 >>I can't help it if your perception is warped and therefore you can't see what the hell is going on right in front of you. << Or yours is. It's also interesting to note that you refused to say whether or not anecdotal evidence is acceptable. Is this another case where you can't understand a simple question? Or is there another reason you didn't answer?
Madc0w Member	Mon Feb 22 16:52:41 "2) You can be "interested" in anything you want, that doesn't mean you are competent or knowledgable. " Seeing as how they went through med school and rigorous training to become doctors, I would say they are quite knowledgeable and competent.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 16:54:34 >>Seeing as how they went through med school and rigorous training to become doctors, I would say they are quite knowledgeable and competent. << Yeah, but RoB read a book from someone who might or might not have a degree and/or be a parent. Anyhow: So, in black and white: Is anecdotal evidence acceptable? Yes or no?
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 17:05:43 "Seeing as how they went through med school and rigorous training to become doctors, I would say they are quite knowledgeable and competent." They didn't take health classes, Madcow, they took symptom repression classes.
bonjour Member	Mon Feb 22 17:12:10 "hey didn't take health classes, Madcow, they took symptom repression classes." If you can cut that down a bit, it would make a mighty fine bumper sticker.
pillz Member	Mon Feb 22 17:39:33 How many hookers did you fuck, Cam?
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Feb 22 17:40:49 "They didn't take health classes, Madcow, they took symptom repression classes. " What does that even mean? Health classes? By definition, physiology, anatomy, and immunology are all "health classes." Public health courses are also offered to med students (though no one is surprised that you are not aware of that). Really, this vile jealousy towards the educated and intelligent is quite pathetic. Get off your ass, find a job, move out of your parents' basement, and get laid already.
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 18:13:06 "If you can cut that down a bit, it would make a mighty fine bumper sticker." "Symptom Repression != Health" ?
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 18:25:06 "What does that even mean? Health classes?" Health is the absence of disease. 99% of what medical students study (and MDs practice) revolves around the repression of the symptoms of disease, not making disease go away.
Mr. Lucid Member	Mon Feb 22 18:55:42 rob is parroting something he heard somebody else say. he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. have you ever been to med school, rob?
Madc0w Member	Mon Feb 22 19:21:50 "9% of what medical students study (and MDs practice) revolves around the repression of the symptoms of disease, not making disease go away. " Link for this?
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 19:48:14 "rob is parroting something he heard somebody else say. he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. have you ever been to med school, rob?" You don't go to med school to learn how to create health, Mr. Lucid. People experienced health in great abundance long before modern medicine arrived on the scene and started acting like they own the world. If MDs were health experts they wouldn't be among some of the unhealthiest people in the world. Isn't their avergae lifespan like 53 or something? LOL. Yeah, "health" experts.
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 20:40:06 >>Isn't their avergae lifespan like 53 or something? LOL. Yeah, "health" experts.<< Link? And: So, in black and white: Is anecdotal evidence acceptable? Yes or no? Why are you so reluctant to answer that question?
Camaban Moderator	Mon Feb 22 20:54:05 that would be link to data source, not dr. wallach
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 21:58:15 "So, in black and white: Is anecdotal evidence acceptable? Yes or no?" Yes, to a degree. Depends on a number of variables.
Madc0w Member	Mon Feb 22 22:00:44 Still waiting for a link to this: "99% of what medical students study (and MDs practice) revolves around the repression of the symptoms of disease, not making disease go away. " My grandfather is a MD, and he is 87 and still kicking it.
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 22:31:25 "Link?" Here's one for india: http://www...style-are-taking-a-toll/973185 http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_doctors-have-shorter-lifespan-than-patients_1342769 "A survey by the Indian Medical Association (IMA) reveals that while on an average, an Indian lives up to 69-72 years, the average lifespan of doctors is only up to 55-59 years" I don't see why it would be radically different anywhere else. And I can't find ANY sources showing that they live LONGER than most people which they should be since they are alleged "health" experts. Looks like you may need to to blow me.
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 22:40:44 "My grandfather is a MD, and he is 87 and still kicking it." Wow. One whole doctor.
mexicantornado Member	Mon Feb 22 22:44:51 haha cam looks like chunk from the Goonies.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Feb 22 22:50:54 >>I don't see why it would be radically different anywhere else.<< That is because you are retarded. The same way general life expectancy on this planet can be radically different from place to place, culture to culture, sub-culture to sub-culture the same could be true (probably is) with doctors in India and else where. Your own fucking article states that much of is due to stress, poor diet and lack of exercise. The two latter are without a doubt a product of stress.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Feb 22 22:57:26 The American Medical Association's Center For Health Care Policy published data on the life expectancies of U.S. medical graduate physicians by specialty in 1988. [2] It showed that the life expectancy of physicians is somewhere between 75 and 88, depending upon the age and gender that one chooses. http://www.ncahf.org/nl/1996/3-4.html Wow that took some 2 mins of googling to find. Now go check what the average life expetancy of the general US population was in 1988, I can tell you right now that it was substantially lower, since it TODAY lies around 77.
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 22:59:44 "That is because you are retarded. The same way general life expectancy on this planet can be radically different from place to place" Dumbass, the whole point was to show that doctors die substantially younger than the general population.... REGARDLESS of whose general population you're talking about, and those links show that for India. The fact that Indians don't live quite as long as americans is completely irrelevant.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Feb 22 23:03:27 What I meant was that the same way people in Africa and Europe differ radically in life expectancy the same could be, apparently is true for doctors in said country and another country. It is pointless to argue since I just posted that link.
river of blood Member	Mon Feb 22 23:05:48 LOL. 88? That is fucking bullshit. Oh, right, from the AMA. Total fucking propaganda. The AMA was worried about the issues getting raised by the reports coming out (and the simple observations people were making) about doctors dying younger than everyone else because it "looks bad". They are just straight up lying.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Feb 22 23:13:07 http://gat...gAbstracts/ma?f=102184921.html
Nimatzo Member	Mon Feb 22 23:15:18 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11020591
Nimatzo Member	Mon Feb 22 23:17:58 What ever you fucking moron. You post states from an under developed country where the doctors no doubt suffer from poor practice are over worked and under paid and state that you see NO reason to think that the situation would be any different anywhere else. Then when presented with evidence you retort to your last line of defense. PROPAGANDA!!!! Fucking retard.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Feb 22 23:18:32 states=stats
Madc0w Member	Mon Feb 22 23:43:20 "Wow. One whole doctor. " Yes, considering that I can easily find an example of a doctor that is living into his late 80s, I don't think it's likely that the average age of death for doctors is in the 50s. In fact, I know it's total bullshit. "99% of what medical students study (and MDs practice) revolves around the repression of the symptoms of disease, not making disease go away. " I'm still waiting for a link to this statement, btw. Or did you just pull it out your ass?
mexicantornado Member	Mon Feb 22 23:49:24 i am not reading through all this but am I right to assume RoB has said doctors die in their 50s?
Camaban Moderator	Tue Feb 23 01:07:58 Well, yeah, basically what Nimatzo said. In addition to this, the rich-poor divide is quite a bit higher. Meaning that if you have a half-decent paying job, you barely have to move a muscle. Personally, the only reason I walked while there was by choice. Otherwise there was generally a rickshaw within a few meters ready to take me wherever for less than a dollar or two (The "I'm going to bend you over and arsefuck you" rate at 1am was 100 rupees, or about 2 USD). That combined with long hours seems a better explanation than they somehow lack the theoretical knowledge required for a healthy life. (Also remember that there's a difference between knowing the theory and implementing the theory) Nimatzo's one showing somewhere with a lower rich-poor divide and a lower amount of demand vs supply sounds a bit more relevant.
saiko Member	Tue Feb 23 01:15:55 It's probably a good health tip to avoid sick people, or being a doctor in general. Seems tough for MDs to be MDs and follow this though. So, RoB, I think I've asked you this question before: is there some piece of evidence, even hypothetical, that would serve to change your mind? If so, can you give a concrete example?
Camaban Moderator	Tue Feb 23 01:27:54 >>Yes, to a degree. Depends on a number of variables. << Such as?
miltonfriedman Member	Tue Feb 23 09:36:30 Once again, river of stupidity regales us with retarded comments and incoherent babbling. "I don't see why it would be radically different anywhere else. And I can't find ANY sources showing that they live LONGER than most people which they should be since they are alleged "health" experts. Looks like you may need to to blow me." People asked you link to your claim that 99% of what is learned in medical school is "symptom repression" (lulz-- I guess virus are being repressed by chemical compounds in a brutal struggle for dominance over our physical body, amirite, you fucking idiot?). In response, you provided a link showing that doctors live shorter than average people in India. Are you stupid or are you coping with Down Syndrome? Does this piece of irrelevant statistics in any way address your (false) claim that 99% of what is learned in medical school is "disease repression?" Goddamn you are a serious retard. When will you move out of your parents' garage and finally find a job?
Mr. Lucid Member	Tue Feb 23 09:42:47 "Are you stupid or are you coping with Down Syndrome?" It's the same thing.
Madc0w Member	Tue Feb 23 10:04:47 Milton- he was also asked for a link that showed that doctors died younger than the general population. I guess knowing that he could manage to actually pull out one irrelevant link that doesn't actually back up his argument, he only went through with that link. Obviously he cannot support either claim though, because neither is true.
miltonfriedman Member	Tue Feb 23 10:11:00 Lucid, people with Down Syndrome cannot be blamed for their actions and thoughts. People with stupidity, like RoB, are fully responsible for their predicaments and lifelong pursuit of living in a van down by the river. Madc0w, Are we surprised that RoB would lie to smear people? Of course not. The sad thing is RoB will disappear from this thread, spouting new rounds of idiocy elsewhere, and then come back making the same exact argument a few weeks later claiming that he had already "shown" us and "won" the debate over the fact that 99% of what is learned is "disease repression." Disease repression. Seriously. Think about that. You have to be suffering from a serious case of stupidity to be able to come up with that term.
Madc0w Member	Tue Feb 23 14:50:24 Indeed. He has created a new thread but dares not come back to this thread.
miltonfriedman Member	Tue Feb 23 16:05:09 That fits River of Coward's MO.
rlver of blood Member	Tue Feb 23 16:06:44 I never used the term, dumbass. You did. I have not used the term "disease repression."
miltonfriedman Member	Tue Feb 23 16:15:03 Let me get this straight, river of coward: Do you think that honing in on the fact that you never said "disease repression" would in someway lessen the idiocy for which you have been flamed for in this thread? Would this make up for your fact that you falsely claimed that doctors lived to 60 around the world and that 99% of what is learned is "disease repression?" No, it would not. Oh, and you said "symptom repression." Let's not lose our sight here-- it's a phrase that is stupid, idiotic, ignorant, and fits the quality of your argument very well. A man would own up to his mistakes and retract his false claims. A faggot, such as yourself, would remind people that you said "symptom repression" and not "disease repression" as if that would somehow make your arguments sound. Well, it doesn't. Get a clue, retard.
Camaban Moderator	Tue Feb 23 19:22:57 >>Yes, to a degree. Depends on a number of variables. << Such as? The reason I'm asking is because I know that in reality, the criteria in your head is "If the anecdotal evidence supports me, it's solid. If it doesn't, it's laughable and to be ignored"
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