Utopia Talk / Politics / Genocide - The Debate

J. McCarthy Member	Wed Dec 09 09:57:13 Since HR will try to divert by scrambling for dictionary spamming, I'll start off with a couple of definitions: The promotion and execution of policies by a state or its agents which result in the deaths of a substantial portion of a group ...[when] the victimized groups are defined primarily in terms of their communal characteristics, i.e., ethnicity, religion or nationality. (Toward empirical theory of genocides and politicides, International Studies Quarterly, 37:3, 1988)[20] Genocide is the deliberate, organized destruction, in whole or in large part, of racial or ethnic groups by a government or its agents. (Genocide and the Modern Age: Etiology and Case Studies of Mass Death. Syracuse, NY: Syracuse University Press, 2000. Reissue of an early work.) Right, now down to the topic: "Hot Rod Member Fri Oct 30 08:13:03 I think the ones that should be killed are those that believe that Islam is the one true religion and that all infidels should be exterminated. Along with the fanatics that believe an insult to the prophet should be punishable by death, or those that murder their family members for leaving Islam. They are the ones that are a danger to us. There you are approaching the one billion mark I believe." Dicuss.
J. McCarthy Member	Wed Dec 09 09:58:09 s
McKobb Member	Wed Dec 09 09:58:40 Right.
J. McCarthy Member	Wed Dec 09 09:58:43 Footnote: * "Hot Rod Member Tue Dec 08 07:10:25 You have me confused with Sam Adams. He is the one promoting genocide."
J. McCarthy Member	Wed Dec 09 10:01:53 "I think the ones that should be killed are those that believe that Islam is the one true religion and that all infidels should be exterminated. " Infidel: "a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own" So all muslims that believe correctly that a non muslim adheres to another religion...or none at all...should be exterminated. So, that would be every single muslim...
J. McCarthy Member	Wed Dec 09 10:02:26 Ok, I misread that last one.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Dec 09 10:50:39 I'd fuck Jenny McCarthy, even if she is a retard about autism.
kargen Member	Wed Dec 09 12:35:37 hey new guy Mcdickweed you (and Hot Rod probably) need to check into the Muslim religion a bit. Those terrorists we are fighting, they are not Muslim. True Muslims are not calling for infidels to be exterminated. A true Muslim would not kill a noncombatant. A true Muslim would not start a war, as war for them should be only defensive. All Muslims would forgive their enemies at the end of that war. No Muslim would perposely destroy a building, orchard, crops or trees while waging war and no Muslim would target women children of other innocents. The Muslim religion allows for them to wage war if they are invaded and their religion oppressed. Once the oppression or invasion ends so ends the war. In fact true Muslims are taught to treat people who are of other faiths with kindness despite the differences.
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 12:39:15 So you're saying that in HR's vision that *approaches* exterminating 1billion people who claim to adhere to the Islamic faith, 1billion would be the figure for those muslims you say are fake muslims? *Given that Islam is generally estimated at having between 0.7 and 1.3billion it could either be most of the entire planets population of those who pray to mecca or more than every single one.
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 12:41:05 Would you say that exterminating "approaching" 1billion people is genocide?
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 12:42:26 "No Muslim would perposely destroy a building, orchard, crops or trees while waging war" where the fuck did you make this up??? Muslims cant destroy a tree in war??? You moron...
kargen Member	Wed Dec 09 13:41:28 "where the fuck did you make this up??? Muslims cant destroy a tree in war??? You moron..." Not on purpose no. The rules were put in place though when fighting took place with swords and all that fun stuff. In real basic form those rules mean they can't wage war in a slash and burn way. They are to leave crops livestock and all that type stuff alone. As they are suppose to fight defensive wars only that only makes sense. You don't want to destroy the trees that would be providing you with fruit once the war ends. "So you're saying that in HR's vision that *approaches* exterminating 1billion people who claim to adhere to the Islamic faith, 1billion would be the figure for those muslims you say are fake muslims?" I am saying the people we are waging war with are not Muslims. The Taliban is not Muslim, they only claim to be to try and justify their own twisted desires. "Would you say that exterminating "approaching" 1billion people is genocide?" That would depend upon the reason for exterminating a billion people. "*Given that Islam is generally estimated at having between 0.7 and 1.3billion it could either be most of the entire planets population of those who pray to mecca or more than every single one." and why do you insist on lumping Muslims in with the terrorists? You and Hot Rod both are extreemly exagerating the numbers that would be killed to rid the world of these terrorists. and don't call me a moron because your sorry ass is uneducated and to lazy to look into the facts.
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 13:47:45 "So you're saying that in HR's vision that *approaches* exterminating 1billion people who claim to adhere to the Islamic faith, 1billion would be the figure for those muslims you say are fake muslims?" I am saying the people we are waging war with are not Muslims. The Taliban is not Muslim, they only claim to be to try and justify their own twisted desires." So? We're talking about HR's 1billion here. Cant you answer the question you fucking moron?
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 13:50:01 I'll try to simplify like you were a child, moron. The 1billion HR talks about exterminating, is that a reasonable estimate of the fake muslims you talk about?
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 13:51:03 "You and Hot Rod both are extreemly exagerating the numbers that would be killed to rid the world of these terrorists. " Really? MIND QUOTING MY NUMBERS YOU FUCKING MORON?
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 13:57:37 Oh, thats right, I havent mentioned a single number for you to quote and you, just like HR, JB and in general the american republicans of the last decade are liars. And Im sick and tired of your lying, genocidal, quick buck fix at someone elses expense along with the rest of the planet.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 09 15:15:29 As I said earlier, show me where I seriously said that. God you people must be dickless to be that stupid. I say something like that in jest, an obvious exaggeration, and you people make a Federal Case od it. Sam Adams says he wants to nuke the entire Middle East every time a Muslim is mentioned and you say nothing. Sounds like penis envy to me.
kargen Member	Wed Dec 09 15:24:26 "The 1billion HR talks about exterminating, is that a reasonable estimate of the fake muslims you talk about?" Read my message again. You will see two words, one following the other. First word is extreemly. 2nd word is exagerating. See if that doesn't answer your question before you ask it. "Really? MIND QUOTING MY NUMBERS YOU FUCKING MORON?" You are using the same numbers Hot Rod is using. You have not contested those numbers and based your question to me on those numbers he provided. So you and Hot Rod are using the same numbers. In this case because of the way you asked your question his numbers are your numbers. "And Im sick and tired of your lying, genocidal, quick buck fix ..." Don't get pissed at me because you are ignorant of the facts. You should thank me for educating you.
purvis Member	Wed Dec 09 15:26:23 Already adressed "Then the bellyslithering weasle pretends he was never SERIOUS lol. About what? He denied ever saying it previously! Now he wasn't serious? How he can have not been serious about something that he didnt even say, just goes beyond pathetic in a long list of beyond pathetic flipping and flopping and twisting and turning weasles lol..."
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 15:27:44 Kargen - "You are using the same numbers Hot Rod is using. You have not contested those numbers" YOU STUPID FUCKING MORON BWAAAHHAAHAHAAAAA
purvis Member	Wed Dec 09 15:35:27 Hot Rods progression of lies from denial and insults to a completely polite and acceptable political question all the way to "I was just joking!!!" Rofl "purvis Member Mon Dec 07 07:56:53 Do you think that killing 1 billion people of a religion is in line with the religious tolerance a social liberal would generally hold?" "Hot Rod Member Mon Dec 07 07:52:08 You Sir, are demented. While I despise all religions, I think everyone has the freedom of choice. And you know it." "Hot Rod Member Mon Dec 07 08:09:00 Not *this* Social Liberal, and you are a bald faced liar if you claim I ever seriously said such a thing." Purvis: "Hot Rod Member Fri Oct 30 08:13:03 I think the ones that should be killed are those that believe that Islam is the one true religion and that all infidels should be exterminated. Along with the fanatics that believe an insult to the prophet should be punishable by death, or those that murder their family members for leaving Islam. They are the ones that are a danger to us. There you are approaching the one billion mark I believe." Hot Rod Member Mon Dec 07 08:26:18 Purvis, read that again. Maybe you will get it right next time. Hot Rod Member Mon Dec 07 08:56:40 If that is the case, so be it. Link? Hot Rod - "Where does it say, "killing 1 billion people?" Hot Rod - "LINK" "Hot Rod Member Tue Dec 08 07:20:30 Can't you read? :) "There you are >>>>>>>>>>approaching<<<<<<<<<< the one billion mark I believe." "Hot Rod Member Wed Dec 09 15:15:29 As I said earlier, show me where I seriously said that. God you people must be dickless to be that stupid. I say something like that in jest, an obvious exaggeration, and you people make a Federal Case od it. (...)" rofl...you lying, weaseling punk...
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 09 15:36:28 purvis - About what? He denied ever saying it previously! Now he wasn't serious? You have already proven to the rest of us that you are not only dickless, but brain dead as well. One more time, you accused me of wanting to kill *ONE BILLION* people, when the correct quote was "approaching one billion" which anyone with two brain cells to rub together would have taken it for exactly what it was. An exaggeration, nothing more. Now please, for your sake, stop making a fool of yourself.
kargen Member	Wed Dec 09 15:36:29 A quote from ignorant ole Jedd: "So you're saying that in HR's vision that *approaches* exterminating 1billion people who claim to adhere to the Islamic faith, 1billion would be the figure for those muslims you say are fake muslims?" That is you using his numbers. Maybe a peak in the mirror will give you a glimpse of the real moron in this little discussion.
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 15:39:06 You fucking miserable stupid lunatic. You cant gather that Im arguing against his quote, you stupid fucking illiterate mongrel??? ROFL!!!
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 15:40:15 You just used my words in the same way. Good to see you arent contesting me in the same way you think Im not contesting HR, YOU STUPID FUCKING LAMPPOST
purvis Member	Wed Dec 09 15:42:16 "One more time, you accused me of wanting to kill *ONE BILLION* people, when the correct quote was "approaching one billion" which anyone with two brain cells to rub together would have taken it for exactly what it was." Rofl!!! he just continues with his stupid lies that he's already been called out on lmfao!!!
purvis Member	Wed Dec 09 15:43:15 But...but...but...you were only joking...???
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 09 15:48:29 As I pointed out in an earlier thread, "BTW, when this crap started I asked for a serious quote by me where I said a billion Muslims should die. If you think I was serious then I submit that in the back of your minds you think that it is possible that nearly one billion Muslims believe that all infidels should be killed. Otherwise, if you were engaged in an honest debate, you would be attacking me for making such an *obvious* exaggeration."" So what are you basing your argument on? That *you believe* the same number, one billion, that I "SUPPOSEDLY"said. Or are you basing your argument on the *exaggerated* number I used. It cannot be both, so which is it?
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 15:49:50 Im telling you, and this pains me because I hate to cast a slur on a whole group, but these fucking retarded american far right wingers l.ike JB, HR, Kargen, MrP, are simply less intelligent than the average human being. They cant debate, they cant lie without being laughed at, they cant make logical arguments, they believe in unbelievable conspiracies and fairy tales about a santa in the sky, they're violent, they're wrong all the time, they start wars, they ruin economies - its terrifying that they have a vote in the largest country of the 1st world countries...Im not sure Earth will survive these dangerous, stupid savages...
purvis Member	Wed Dec 09 15:54:19 "If you think I was serious then I submit that in the back of your minds you think that it is possible that nearly one billion Muslims believe that all infidels should be killed." Your retarded conclusion leaping is a famous comedy skit at UP...and your final refuge of the scoundrel after not mentioning anything about joking previously, rather you tried to deny it, then argue it in every other conceivable way first...is a fucking disgrace. Shame on you for lying like this at your age... Shame on you sir.
kargen Member	Wed Dec 09 16:24:47 "You fucking miserable stupid lunatic. You cant gather that Im arguing against his quote, you stupid fucking illiterate mongrel??? ROFL!!! " If that were what you were doing I would have easily realized that. You were not. You asked, and I quote, "So you're saying that in HR's vision that *approaches* exterminating 1billion people who claim to adhere to the Islamic faith, 1billion would be the figure for those muslims you say are fake muslims?" That is you using his numbers, and that is why I included him when I posted "You and Hot Rod both are extreemly exagerating the numbers that would be killed to rid the world of these terrorists." It doesn't matter that you might have argued against those numbers when engaged with Hot Rod. When you addressed me you used his numbers to ask your question. I'll forgive you that you are in complete ignorance when it comes to the Muslim faith, but the sheer stupidity of your last post is unforgivable. All you have done is taken a list of people that have recently disagreed with you and tried to lump an old tired lable on the lot. You missed and it just farther exposes your extreem igonrance. Read a book or something, learn a bit about the world around you.
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 09 16:27:48 jw - they believe in unbelievable conspiracies and fairy tales about a santa in the sky... Now wait just a minute Mister. You can say what you want about me, but leave Santa out of this. Have you no shame at all? purvis, are you going to let him talked to you that way? The names he just called you, not to mention maligning Santa.
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 18:11:57 Purvis doesnt have to worry Genocidal Liar, nearly all humans that can read English realize that you and kargen can't. I realize both kargen and you belong to the group of illiterate fucking retarded american far right wingers along with JB and MrP, and that group is simply less intelligent than the average human being. You mental spastics cant debate, you cant lie without being laughed at, you cant make logical arguments, you believe in unbelievable conspiracies and fairy tales about a santa in the sky, you're violent, (in your particular case genocidal) you're wrong all the time, you start wars, you ruin economies - its terrifying that your ilk have a vote in the largest country of the 1st world countries...Im not sure Earth will survive you dangerous, stupid savages...but if it starts to get where people close to me get hurt because of your genocidal filth, I'll kill and put a couple of you lying bastards into an early grave before its too late :)
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 09 18:26:11 Oh? So now you are saying that purvis is an "illiterate fucking retarded american far right winger..." I think you are wrong. Please prove that statement or leave the forum in shame for mouthing such unfathomable lies. Come, where is your proof that purvis is a right winger? WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 09 18:27:14 WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mexicantornado Member	Wed Dec 09 18:30:28 good job kargen.
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 19:28:09 "Purvis doesnt have to worry Genocidal Liar, nearly all humans that can read English realize that you and kargen can't. I realize both kargen and you belong to the group of illiterate fucking retarded american far right wingers along with JB and MrP, and that group is simply less intelligent than the average human being. You mental spastics cant debate, you cant lie without being laughed at, you cant make logical arguments, you believe in unbelievable conspiracies and fairy tales about a santa in the sky, you're violent, (in your particular case genocidal) you're wrong all the time, you start wars, you ruin economies - its terrifying that your ilk have a vote in the largest country of the 1st world countries...Im not sure Earth will survive you dangerous, stupid savages...but if it starts to get where people close to me get hurt because of your genocidal filth, I'll kill and put a couple of you lying bastards into an early grave before its too late :) "
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 19:29:50 Kargen - "You asked, and I quote, "So you're saying that in HR's vision that *approaches* exterminating 1billion people who claim to adhere to the Islamic faith, 1billion would be the figure for those muslims you say are fake muslims?" So you used HR's numbers AGAIN! What are you, genocidal as well you fucking retarded creationist?
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 09 19:43:00 jw, please quit muddying the waters with your lies. Provide a link to purvis being a right winger or just STFU. We are so sick and tired of your lies and we demand the truth.
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 19:44:22 "Purvis doesnt have to worry Genocidal Liar, nearly all humans that can read English realize that you and kargen can't. I realize both kargen and you belong to the group of illiterate fucking retarded american far right wingers along with JB and MrP, and that group is simply less intelligent than the average human being. You mental spastics cant debate, you cant lie without being laughed at, you cant make logical arguments, you believe in unbelievable conspiracies and fairy tales about a santa in the sky, you're violent, (in your particular case genocidal) you're wrong all the time, you start wars, you ruin economies - its terrifying that your ilk have a vote in the largest country of the 1st world countries...Im not sure Earth will survive you dangerous, stupid savages...but if it starts to get where people close to me get hurt because of your genocidal filth, I'll kill and put a couple of you lying bastards into an early grave before its too late :) "
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 09 19:51:30 Lies, Lies, and more lies. If you won't answer why purvis is a degenerate right winger. Why do you want to murder one billion Muslims, please answer that one. You genocidist.
Jeddediah Wilklns Member	Wed Dec 09 19:52:47 "Purvis doesnt have to worry Genocidal Liar, nearly all humans that can read English realize that you and kargen can't. I realize both kargen and you belong to the group of illiterate fucking retarded american far right wingers along with JB and MrP, and that group is simply less intelligent than the average human being. You mental spastics cant debate, you cant lie without being laughed at, you cant make logical arguments, you believe in unbelievable conspiracies and fairy tales about a santa in the sky, you're violent, (in your particular case genocidal) you're wrong all the time, you start wars, you ruin economies - its terrifying that your ilk have a vote in the largest country of the 1st world countries...Im not sure Earth will survive you dangerous, stupid savages...but if it starts to get where people close to me get hurt because of your genocidal filth, I'll kill and put a couple of you lying bastards into an early grave before its too late :) "
yhnjkjub New Member	Wed Dec 09 19:53:39 HEY HR YOU SICKENING BASTARD EXCREMENT OF A PUS FILLED CUNT OF A FILTHY NAZI PROSTITUTE, YOU NEVER DID ANSWER THE QUESTION - IS IT TRUE THAT YOUR MOM LIKED TO SLIDE HER VOMIT-SMELLING, SLUG-LIKE CUNTLIPS OVER YOUR MOUTH AND DANGLE HER DIRTY, GELATINOUS CLITORIS DOWN YOUR THROAT WHILE YOUR MISERABLE GESTAPO DRUNKARD CUSTOMER OF A FATHER FISTFUCKED YOU IN YOUR ANUS, YOU FUCKING NAZI WHORE BASTARD? ROFL STAB STAB STAB IN YOUR FACE ROFL
yhnjkjub New Member	Wed Dec 09 19:54:17 WAITING YOU FILTHY FUCKING LYING CUNT
Hot Rod Member	Wed Dec 09 19:55:44 LOL, I win, you lose. :)
yhnjkjub New Member	Wed Dec 09 20:02:49 LOL, I WIN YOU LOSE WHEN I STAB YOU IN THE FACE YOU EVIL FUCKING NAZI CUM DROOL FROM THE SLOPPY INFECTED CUNTHOLE ON YOUR *DEAD AND ROTTING* FILTHY FUCKING CUNT WHORE OF A PUTRID PROSTITUTE MOM. :)
yhnjkjub New Member	Wed Dec 09 20:07:28 ROFL
McKobb Member	Wed Dec 09 20:09:54 Can someone clean the trollup, here.
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