Utopia Talk / Politics / Cop Taser 10y girl for resisting bedtime

Truther Member	Fri Nov 20 17:36:40 http://www...girl-for-refusing-to-go-to-bed The local police chief in Ozark, Arkansas is standing behind one of his officers who tasered a 10-year-old girl who was refusing to go to bed. The bizarre story is laid out in a police incident report obtained by website The Smoking Gun. Officer Dustin Bradshaw was called to the home by a woman complaining that her daughter was being unruly and refusing to go to sleep. Bradshaw wrote that when he arrived at the home, he found Kiara Medlock "balled up in (sic) the floor crying and screaming." After watching her mother attempt to get Kiara into the bathtub with little success, Bradshaw took the girl into the living room and threatened her with jail. That didn't settle things down. At some point, Bradshaw claims Kiara's mother told him to "taser her if I needed to." Bradshaw then tried to handcuff Kiara. But he couldn't manage that either. To hear Bradshaw tell it, he was now in the midst of a full-on brawl on the living-room floor with Kiara, a Grade 5 student. The 65-pounder was "verbally combative ... struck me with her legs and feet in the groin," Bradshaw wrote. That's when he reached for his holster and delivered a "very very (sic) brief drive stun to her back with my taser." Unsurprisingly, Kiara's struggling stopped immediately. Bradshaw then cuffed her and carried her to his squad car, since she could no longer walk. The incident hit the news when Kiara's father, Anthony Medlock, took exception. Medlock does not live with Kiara's mother. "I want to know how the heck in God's green earth can they get away with this ... If you can't pick the kid up and take her to your car, handcuff her, then I don't think you need to be an officer," Medlock told local Ozark 40/29 news. He said his daughter has shown signs of emotional issues, but she "doesn't deserve to be treated like a dog." The local police chief stood behind Bradshaw and his decision. "He had no other choice. He had to get the child under control," said Ozark police Chief Jim Noggle. No disciplinary action is pending against Bradshaw. Medlock said he will attempt to gain sole custody of his daughter.
pillz Member	Fri Nov 20 17:48:22 1- Cops shouldn't have went to the house over a kid not going to bed. 2- Cop had no reason to cuff her, so shouldnt have tried to. 3- A grown man, trained to subdue other grown men, couldn't overpower a 10 year old girl? 4- Mother can NOT give permission to tazer her daughter afaik 5- No reason to tazer her. The dude is not going to keep his job.
yankeessuck123 Member	Fri Nov 20 21:41:25 3- A grown man, trained to subdue other grown men, couldn't overpower a 10 year old girl? Yeah, funny about that. I just saw on the news today, some cop blasted a 12 year old girl with a beanbag gun from point blank range because she was resisting arrest and couldn't be controlled. Less donuts, more time in the gym.
kargen Member	Fri Nov 20 22:51:55 The problem isn't in controlling them, that is real easy to do . The problem is controlling them without doing any injury. With another man you can put your weight into getting them down. With a child that tends to break things and cause internal damage. The police shouldn't have been involved, but once they were...
pillz Member	Fri Nov 20 22:58:40 yes. lets taze children now, guys. what a fucking nazi scum bag little girly bitch you are.
kargen Member	Fri Nov 20 23:04:29 Not saying little girls should be tazed, but it beats multiple fractures in the arm or a ruptured spleen.
yankeessuck123 Member	Fri Nov 20 23:32:28 If the cop was incompetent enough that the only way he could restrain her was by either using a tazer (which we all know isn't particularly safe), or by applying a level of force that will cause serious injury, then that hack should be in a different field.
kargen Member	Fri Nov 20 23:54:27 Seems you don't understand what a difference size can make and how just grabbing an arm and holding it while the child struggles can cause serious injury. Especially if the kid is aiming kicks towards your nads. The better way to go perhaps (at this point since he shouldn't have been there anyway) is to tell the mother that she needs to restrain or calm her child down or they both go to jail. If the mother wouldn't or couldn't without risking injury herself, then call family services to get a rep on scene and see if they can deal with it. If that option isn't available then hey sometimes bad shit happens to bad people even if they are only ten.
roland Member	Fri Nov 20 23:58:15 Yea, like laser cannot cause serious injury. Bwahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha!!!
kargen Member	Sat Nov 21 01:42:55 Extreemly rare.
Forwyn Member	Sat Nov 21 01:49:46 More likely on a kid with a body mass of 65lbs.
charper Member	Sat Nov 21 02:02:16 Dont be fucking ridiculous. I can restrain a 12 year old girl without breaking bones in her body very easily, so can he.
Isaksson Member	Sat Nov 21 02:06:27 Be source critic!!!
charper Member	Sat Nov 21 02:32:42 a 10 year old even.
eds Member	Sat Nov 21 09:02:44 Sorry for the spam in this thread earlier. I dozed off with teh laptop on my lap and somehow must have ended up holding down enter a bunch of times or something.
Formerly Fred Member	Sat Nov 21 10:06:32 "yes. lets taze children now, guys. " Sounds good.
Mr Kennedy Member	Sat Nov 21 15:27:25 "hey sometimes bad shit happens to bad people even if they are only ten" At what age can a child become a "bad person", kargen?
Dickhead UPer Member	Sat Nov 21 16:07:24 next time the kid will go to bed.
kargen Member	Sat Nov 21 22:42:50 Depends upon the person, but age would also help determine what bad thing was/is about to happen. To bad the kid was tazered, and really to bad the mother can't control the kid and felt the need to call the police, but once there he can't just say fuck it the kid wins this one and call it a day.
Forwyn Member	Sun Nov 22 00:00:22 I hope the father gets custody and gets a restraining order on the mother, along with a settlement from the police department.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 22 00:51:40 What age? Any age apparently. I'm sure though, if some kid has a gun and was shooting people and police decided to use less-lethal force (taser) instead of deadly force on the kid, there would still be an uproar.
Forwyn Member	Sun Nov 22 00:58:23 Why would there be? There is a vast difference between a kid killing people, and being scared to go to bed.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 22 00:59:44 Why would there be? Because people are stupid. Because some people are so fixiated on the "taser" because of its capabilities.
Forwyn Member	Sun Nov 22 01:04:57 The stories that break news don't break simply because a taser is used - tasers are used every day. They break news when its use is questionable. Using a taser on an unarmed 10 year old girl is questionable at best.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 22 01:05:53 ....of course you know that if he was trying ot get the little girl to comply and control her and she wasn't, especially kicking him in the groin. Still doesn't suprise me. Honestly, don't see the big deal.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 22 01:07:18 well, for all we know for now was the the girl was unruly, combative, and kicked the officer in the groin. And instead of getting real physical with her, he tased her brief. No harm. Unless of course you would rather have him manhandle her, possibly breaking her arms, legs, etc,etc?
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 22 01:08:32 "The stories that break news don't break simply because a taser is used - tasers are used every day. They break news when its use is questionable. " And usually when those stories break because of "questionable" actions, most of the times details are left out from the report of why a taser was deployed.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Nov 22 01:17:13 The mom is stupid though for calling the police and the police should have said, this is not a police matter.
Nekran Member	Sun Nov 22 04:13:02 Why do you people keep on claiming that you can't restrain a 10yo child without breaking their bones? That's pure nonsense! I mean... has any of you ever tried to restrain a mad child? It's not all that hard. And cops are supposed to be trained for doing these things. I mena... are you guys claiming that it's irresponsible to have people who lead scouts and the likes go out without tasers? How many times have you heard about them breaking the kids' bones when they got mad? This continuous claim is totally baseless.
Sarcasm Member	Sun Nov 22 04:48:40 A cop knows 10 grips for fucks sake which make it impossible to move around. You apply lots of pressure with a big adult and very little at all with a child. What is it about the cons that not only do they demand bullies as their national leaders but they're such bullies themselves? The right wing authoritarian streak runs deep...
kargen Member	Sun Nov 22 18:11:30 "Why do you people keep on claiming that you can't restrain a 10yo child without breaking their bones?" That isn't what we are saying. We are saying there is a possability of breaking bones when trying to restrain a child. We do not know to what degree this girl was fighting back, so we do not know if using the taser was justified or not. That will of course be decided later by people who have the facts. Sarcasm a big part of subduing a person is applying a grat deal of force upon them and putting a lot of weight on them. The techniquest are designed to bring down adults often larger than the officer. You can't use those same techniques on children without risking serious harm. Hell you stand a good chance of serious harm against adults if you are not real carefull in how you apply restraint.
Sarcasm Member	Sun Nov 22 18:20:16 BS. I train muay thai and through that I have a basic understanding of all martial arts. Those police restraint grips are basic stuff. Often they need force behind them when practiced on a struggling adult, with a child you can very easily incapacitate without any damage at all.
Sarcasm Member	Sun Nov 22 18:34:19 The problems are said to start in nursery school. "Some children are becoming disaffected at a much earlier age," said John Williamson, who teaches in a school for 11 to 16-year-old boys with emotional and behavioural difficulties in Wirral - which is over-subscribed. "There are more instances of violence being recorded by children of infants school age. It was unusual but now it is not unusual - that small children will react violently," he said. Staff at Ashworth special hospital on Merseyside, which is home to some of the country's most violent criminals, had been providing Home Office-accredited three-day training courses for teachers in handling disruptive children, he said. Violence in school "There are techniques that you can use to restrain children without hurting yourself or the children," Mr Williamson said. http://new.../education/unions99/309788.stm
kargen Member	Sun Nov 22 18:37:25 Sarcasm a child can yank their own shoulder out of joint just by yanking against somebody holding their arm with that person simply holding on. A struggling child can hurt themselves simply by the force of their struggle. "with a child you can very easily incapacitate without any damage at all." Sometimes. Other times no. Again it depends upon how much of a struggle the child is putting forth and the type of struggle. Since we do not have that info we do not know if the tazer was needed or not. If the officer used it as a shortcut then that is wrong. If he determined it was the best way to subdue the child safely then it might well have been justified.
Forwyn Member	Sun Nov 22 18:42:40 So you hold them at the shoulder? I still think the risk of a broken bone is better than the risk of cardiac arrest, due to her young age and small body mass.
Sarcasm Member	Sun Nov 22 18:46:03 Judo is full of holds that dont hurt anyone. In many judo holds, you may have to use lots of force to maintain the hold against a strong victim so you can easily control that force with a small girl. Shes a 30kg little girl for christ sake, if you cant handle that you're not a man, much less suitable as a cop.
kargen Member	Sun Nov 22 22:24:47 Again you do not know to what degree the girl was resisting. So you can't determine what the best course of action was. It isn't a matter of handling, but handling with the least amount of damage or potential damage/harm. I would think it extreemly rare that you would need to use a tazer but you can't just rule it out as never being used.
Saggy Member	Sun Nov 22 23:39:21 I restrain psychotic pre pubescents all the time at work. I wish we had tasers. BZZ! That being said, as someone who is trained and works regularly with child specific restraints, i don't see how a taser could ever be necessary. fun, easy and satisfying, maybe.
Saggy Member	Sun Nov 22 23:40:49 I restrain psychotic pre pubescents all the time at work. I wish we had tasers. BZZ! That being said, as someone who is trained and works regularly with child specific restraints, i don't see how a taser could ever be necessary. fun, easy and satisfying, maybe.
kargen Member	Sun Nov 22 23:56:28 "and works regularly with child specific restraints" child specific being key. Even with that if you were trained there might be times when the tazer would be safer for all involved. If it was just used as a shortcut then that would be wrong. As a safety precaution to anybody in the immediate area, then maybe okay. We don't know the circumstnaces.
kergan New Member	Mon Nov 23 00:41:34 As I said before a child can rip out their own arm sockets and rupture their own spleen just by resisting someone so to stop them ripping their own arms and legs off a taser is required.
Kargin New Member	Mon Nov 23 02:03:11 Also, I should add that some ten year old girls can tear a man to pieces so remember, we just dont know the situation. You guys should actually be thankful that we've got tasers, all through history small children have been tearing their limbs off when adults restrain them, finally that madness can be put to an end.
kargen Member	Mon Nov 23 02:43:35 cool my own dimwitted forum stalker! I think I will have a beer to celebrate. Now don't get me all pumped just to let me down. Your job now is to follow me from thread to thread showing your ignorance.
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