Utopia Talk / Politics / Should Hot Rod have access to the mod

Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 07:40:52 board? Y/N?
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 07:41:22 He does, afterall, want to be treated like every other poster.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 07:45:07 You can call me Ubes.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 07:49:12 Why don't I call you brain dead. jergul brought up this same question in this forum not two weeks ago and it blew up in his face. If you want me out you should lobby TC, he is the only one who can make the decision.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 07:49:48 Why don't I call you child rapist? burn, mother fucker. gg.
Atcha Member	Sun Nov 15 07:50:51 N
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 07:50:57 Back on topic though. Y/N?
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 07:51:08 Might as well, you are, after all, a chronic liar.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 07:51:35 Source?
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 07:52:16 Oh shit its HR.. he can't be bothered for a source. My bad. Quit derailing the thread.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 07:52:50 Don't need one, just my opinion. :)
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 07:53:31 You're a child raping commie. Just my opinion.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 07:55:28 Beings you ask so politely I will, but one more comment. Do you think it a proper use of your Mod powers to attack someone?
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 07:58:32 Yes.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 08:00:07 Good thing he used his last comment on that post. Moving on. Mod board. HR. Y/N?
purvis Member	Sun Nov 15 08:01:36 N.
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Nov 15 08:02:54 N.
Atcha Member	Sun Nov 15 08:05:11 I think you missed my post. "N".
Jack Cafferty Member	Sun Nov 15 08:18:56 N
Jewgle Member	Sun Nov 15 08:23:25 N.
Saggy Member	Sun Nov 15 08:43:22 N Vote YES for ubes- evil dictator with a personal agenda 2009
ehcks Member	Sun Nov 15 11:25:04 I say we should all have access to the mod board.
ehcks Member	Sun Nov 15 11:25:48 Otherwise, N.
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Sun Nov 15 12:13:19 N
Jeddeddddiah Wilkins Member	Sun Nov 15 12:14:16 N
talon121 member	Sun Nov 15 14:42:17 Why did everyone vote yes a few weeks ago? This place is fucked up.
purvis Member	Sun Nov 15 14:45:31 Most people voted no or dont care.
OsamaIsDaWorstPresid Member	Sun Nov 15 14:56:51 y cause it pisis of da spamin multi
1001 Utopian Multis Member	Sun Nov 15 14:58:38 I see you're still being the ever so loving hypocrite. Btw, most people voted not to have Hot Rod, DOSed.
NeverWoods Member	Sun Nov 15 15:13:41 No.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 15:37:12 talon121, this thread is loaded with Multi's, they think they can put one over on TC. They didn't vote last time.
jergul Member	Sun Nov 15 15:48:04 The consensus was that you not have access hot rod. Just to clear up your little factual error. TC was informed like you said and the matter rested. The other thing put to rest your claim you want to be treated just like any other poster. Which is what the thread is really about.
talon121 member	Sun Nov 15 16:25:28 Actually the last thread ended up with the vote "Nobody cares so why bring it up?"
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 17:08:01 Exactly.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 17:20:05 I think the other half of your question was, should I have my posts deleted on sight like Poison's. That turned out to be a resounding, NO!
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 15 17:21:37 The consensus was that Hot Rod should be treated equally compared to any other poster - no mod forum access, no DA policy.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 17:24:06 Spin it anyway you like, I know how it was phrased.
mexicantornado Member	Sun Nov 15 17:24:10 Only to piss everyone off (including HR) Y
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 17:25:24 Rugian, prove me wrong. Bring it back from the archives.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 15 17:25:57 "Spin it anyway you like, I know how it was phrased." It was a two part question in which the voters resoundingly said that you shouldn't have access to the mod forum and you also should not be DAed. IOW, you should be treated as every other poster should be. Stop trying to find the communist symbols in the Rockefeller building and just accept reality as it is.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 15 17:26:59 And I swear to God if you just quote yourself in your next post I will report you for spamming.
Barry Obaman Member	Sun Nov 15 18:21:53 "And I swear to God if you just quote yourself in your next post I will report you for spamming." http://www...hread=26873&time=1258276888550
Hot Rod Member	Sun Nov 15 18:25:38 OK, so you don't know how to retrieve it from archives either. All you had to do was say so. :)
Canadian Member	Sun Nov 15 19:04:07 I vote no, unless we all get access to the mod board.
Y2A Member	Sun Nov 15 19:06:16 N
Jeddedieh Wilkins Member	Sun Nov 15 19:06:53 Y
jergul Member	Sun Nov 15 23:56:52 Talon Considering you did not even know about the last thread (see your first post in this thread)... HR People don't want you to have moderator forum access hot rod. They want you to be treated as every other poster. You don't want to be treated as every other poster. Which is fair enough.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 16 00:02:49 I think the other half of your question was, should I have my posts deleted on sight like Poison's. That turned out to be a resounding, NO!
Sarcasm Member	Mon Nov 16 00:04:04 Pretty much like the resounding NO! in this thread, eh?
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 00:08:45 Yes, it was interesting the multi's refrained from voting on that issue. They like you more than you think. The point of that question was mostly to help you see your sense of paranoia had no basis in reality. Were you really expecting to be poisoned? Now, the answer to your access in the moderator forum is a resounding, NO too. I don't expect you to respect that, nor that TC act on informal polls of this type. But it should be reasonable for you to admit to favoured treatment here and that you prefer to have favoured treatment. Which is fair enough.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 16 00:13:46 The reason I have access to the Mod forum has nothing to do with what I want, or even deserve. That is strictly TC's decision and I am not the only ex-mod that has access. You should ask him why we are there. It has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the forum.
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 00:26:17 Hiding behind authority? How unbecoming. TC would happily remove your forum access if you PMd him with such a request. You don't want to be treated like every other poster. Which is fair enough. If you could only come clean and if not admit it, at least stop claiming the opposite. I know why the forum exists. To provide moderators with a safe haven for monitoring discussions without fear of being stalked by posters with chips on their shoulders.
talon121 member	Mon Nov 16 01:05:13 I was definitely here for the last thread. How does my first post prove otherwise? The final vote was that Yes, HR could stay because most people said they didn't care if he had access. Before you go telling me, if I was in that thread or not, you better find the fucking thread first. Does everyone just make up their own history here? In the last thread the final vote was that HR could stay on the mod boards because no one gave a flying fuck. Fucking idiots all around here. And I don't even like Hot Rod. He is a close minded, conclusion jumping hack. I'm just not a blubbering moron who tries to destroy HR at every given moment while on the boards, which is why it is oh so easy to remember facts properly...like how HR was allowed to stay on the mod boards...
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 01:14:18 Talon Your memory in this regard is seriously flawed. As everyone except you knows. Even HR accepts that the consensus did not have him DOSd, but did have him barred from moderator forum access. Right HR? The onus is on you to prove your contradictory claim talon.
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 01:47:58 Anyway, you are missing the point of the thread. It serves two purposes. 1. Illustrating that not only does hot rod have preferential treatment, he wants preferential treatment. 2. Illustrating that any feeling hot rod may have of being a lone crusader of common sense overcoming the oppressive dominance of liberal bias in his hunt for a single convert to his cause would be based on pure paranoia with the added irony that he is an anti-recruiter to conservative GOP policy aka "libertarianism". In essence he radicalises ("liberalizes") voices that once were sympathetic to perspectives he claims to represent.
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 16 06:43:38 jergul, Why are you even responding to talon? He's a HOer first off, and he's obviously just fucking with UP.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 16 07:13:01 jergul - Right HR? Actually, I never made a head count. But it appeared to me that the overwhelming number of responders did not care if I were on the Mod forum or not and they were mostly adamant that I not be treated with delete on sight like was done to Poison. jergul - TC would happily remove your forum access if you PMd him with such a request. It would not surprise me if he was feeling the same way about receiving a PM from you. jergul - Illustrating that not only does hot rod have preferential treatment, he wants preferential treatment. And you are putting your own spin to that too. What got me, as I have explained several times, is that a single Multi moved an OT post of mine to the sports forum, then told you to delete my 'OT' thread in Politics which you did. This after numerous threads are and have been posted with and without the OT designation in the Politics Forum. Why was I singled out? As a matter of fact, I had tried to *suggest* that some threads be moved to the proper forums and the membership shouted me down with a resounding NO. Then you unilaterally went against *their wishes* and did what a multi told you to. That is what pissed me off.
Archivist Member	Mon Nov 16 07:36:49 "What got me, as I have explained several times, is that a single Multi moved an OT post of mine to the sports forum, then told you to delete my 'OT' thread in Politics which you did. " LOL Homer J Simpson Member May 19th, 2008 12:08 PM How long do you think until the Red Sox or Yankees go after Edinson Volquez? licker Member May 19th, 2008 12:16 PM 100% balls to the wall!!!! There is already a thread on this. Hot Rod Patron May 19th, 2008 12:32 PM Who cares, take this to the Sports Forum. Chen Member May 19th, 2008 12:32 PM HR = Forum Nazi? Dakyron Member May 19th, 2008 1:00 PM The damn thread is labeled "SAM ADAMS", so you should immediately know it is not a serious political discussion here. Anyone who clicked this thread expecting a well thought out informative debate should be permabanned from the forum. Hot Rod Patron May 19th, 2008 1:10 PM Dak, no. The ones who should be permabanned are those who blatantly disregard forum protocols. http://ata...archivepost.jsp?thread=1062618
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 07:40:08 "single Multi moved an OT post of mine to the sports forum, then told you to delete my 'OT' thread in Politics which you did." Yepp. And after consideration I found that allowing multis to decide what OT threads got moved was a bad idea because it would piss off the HO as their forum overfilled with our refuse. Generally, things were moved to proper forums when mods felt like it. Its a hassle reposting you see. Glad to see you admit that access to the moderator forum is a privilege you have setting you above other posters here. Its pretty self-evident and a privilege I too enjoy, though I use it for moderating purposes. Its just a question of coming clean and admitting you have privilege. Look at the forum now for example. Lots of nice sport threads now that it seems some of your privileges have been universalized. Perhaps everyone should be given access in the moderator forum. In the name of fairness...why should you stalk alone after all?
Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 16 07:43:55 I had my say, and I was honest.
Archivist Member	Mon Nov 16 07:46:16 "why should you stalk alone after all? " I can just imagine the mod boards. Filled with demands from HR to check IPs, delete posts and clean the board up?
McKobb Member	Mon Nov 16 07:46:42 I don't have access so I don't care one way or the other. Have at it!
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 07:52:30 Not really. The thing you said was core to your issue I admitted was a mistake I would not do again long before you began the moderator forum thread complaining about it as if the matter had not been resolved already. You are a Don Quixote without windmills HR. With privileges you abuse to follow an agenda of self-crucifixion. Ironically, I deleted literally a 1000 spam posts shutting down your threads while you were complaining I was limiting your right to self-expression. With no prejudice.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 16 08:01:23 Archivist, why don't you ask other members who have access besides me before you make such claims. Besides the much publicized problem created by jergul there is only one other thread in the Mod forum where I criticized him. It was, I think, justified too.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 16 08:03:01 Both threads had to do with Modding philosophy and actions. Why shouldn't they be talked about in the Mod Forum?
Archivist Member	Mon Nov 16 08:05:44 "Archivist, why don't you ask other members who have access besides me before you make such claims." Thats exactly who I AM asking if the mod boards are filled with demands from HR to check IPs, delete posts and clean the board up...Wakey wakey
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 08:17:22 You created the problem Hot Rod. You set a trap (the OT-Movie) and hoped someone would walk into it. You then stalked the crap out of the theme despite my immediate recognition that letting multis move stuff was a bad idea. And yes, moderators should be able to discuss these things in the moderator forum.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 16 08:17:32 You phrased it more as an accusation with a question mark. See my post, and you will see there were two theads created by me that involved jergul, both justified. There were a couple of oother threads I posted there asking what should be done, if anything, about another issue that was not directed at jergul. I even got a bit testy with another Mod over the subject. But, I believe all of my threads were justified and should have been discussed in the Mod forum.
purvis Member	Mon Nov 16 08:22:31 "But, I believe all of my threads were justified and should have been discussed in the Mod forum. " yeah, because you're special.
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 08:27:50 You consistently fail to appreciate how many thousands of spam-posts are connected to your activity in forum hot rod. Yah, friendly fire happens and sometimes a post is deleted that should not have been. The % is a lot less than 1% though. And frankly, your posts are better protected than other legitimate posts in threads of yours that have been spammed. Its no big deal except to you. And by God do you make big deals of it. It being mildly oppressive that you also do so in the moderator forum as I have to watch my words there too.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 16 08:28:23 jergul - You set a trap (the OT-Movie) and hoped someone would walk into it. You then stalked the crap out of the theme despite my immediate recognition that letting multis move stuff was a bad idea. BS, that was not a trap. I posted it at 9:30 on a slow Thursday evening, it was clearly marked *OT* and it sat on the Political forum until the Multi moved it at 5:45 Saturday morning and you deleted it sometime after 8:30 Monday morning. Here, check that timeline for yourself. http://www...hread=25824&time=1256563897247
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 08:33:08 So not a trap, but merely a breach of forum etiquette that you know perfectly well? Just as you also know that moderators do occasionally enforce the separate forum division. Well used to enforce.
purvis Member	Mon Nov 16 08:36:32 How the hell can multis move threads? At best, all they can do is copy and paste.
1001 Utopian Multis Member	Mon Nov 16 09:02:03 Granted, I have alot of powers. But, moving threads isn't one of 'em.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 16 09:11:55 jergul - So not a trap, but merely a breach of forum etiquette that you know perfectly well? The only thing I know about forum etiquette is what the forum members told me in no uncertain terms when I tried to get people to post to the proper forums in the past. They clearly stated, in essence, *STFU Hot Rod and mind your own business, things are fine the way they are.* I guess you missed that exchange.
purvis Member	Mon Nov 16 09:15:14 Thats not true. You know of other forum etiquettes. You know of the ones you in no uncertain terms tried to demand that everyone conform to when noone was interested. How about your own personal etiquettes that you tried to shove down others throats?
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 09:19:34 1001 Well, according to HR you did some jedi-voodoo mind trick shit and had me delete what was left. Hence move instead of just copy.
1001 Utopian Multis Member	Mon Nov 16 10:00:04 I am appalled at this notion. I do not have the power to be able to control people, especially on the internet. That is crazy talk.
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 10:35:51 It is? I agree. Your command is my wish master.
1001 Utopian Multis Member	Mon Nov 16 10:37:12 That. Is. Creepy. Stop. It.
jergul Member	Mon Nov 16 10:50:15 Master, I am confused. Can I only show fealty by assuming a cloak of disloyalty? I will desist then if that is your wish.
1001 Utopian Multis Member	Mon Nov 16 12:41:44 I've got nothing.
redblooded Member	Mon Nov 16 12:46:25 HR obviously is the person best suited to moderate a forum such as this.
talon121 member	Mon Nov 16 13:18:42 I made a head count and the vote was that no one cared if he stayed. And that vote won by a lot. Not that any non mod should really see that forum but that is what the vote was. You guys either have really short memories or you are just so intolerant of HR that you will skew the truth no matter what, so that it is in your favor.
1001 Utopian Multis Member	Mon Nov 16 13:22:28 Won by "a lot"? Yeah, I don't remember that. I remember that by "a lot" people voted against him being DOSed. However, him having access, it seems that more were against him having access, very few were for it, and some didn't care.
1001 Utopian Multis Member	Mon Nov 16 13:23:13 Oh and the poll, if you do happen to remember had only two options. SOOOO, with your little "don't care" folkies, didn't really count for shit. Later HO!
talon121 member	Mon Nov 16 13:27:36 Guess we will need the thread if we want the truth then eh? So even though (ball park figure) 80% of people vote that they didn't care there votes don't matter? Well I'm sure they didn't think that when they were voting.
1001 Utopian Multis Member	Mon Nov 16 13:30:26 Well Sally, if there was an option for people who "didn't care". I'm sure that would have been taken into consideration. But since there wasn't that option, my previous comment stands. They didn't really count for shit. As for those who did vote and used the only two options did. The OP gave two options. "don't care" wasn't one of them.
talon121 member	Mon Nov 16 13:32:34 Well that's only your opinion. So I guess only like 5 people voted. Can you tell me what there votes were without seeing the thread?
Canadian Member	Mon Nov 16 17:03:48 Die in a fire Poison.
Canadian Member	Mon Nov 16 17:13:37 awww, either put his post back or delete mine too. I don't want to be seen spouting unreasoned hate.
talon121 member	Mon Nov 16 17:14:44 Random insults ftw
cloud strife Member	Tue Nov 17 11:09:41 No, of course not. This fabled mod board shouldn't even exist.
charper Member	Tue Nov 17 11:25:05 11 No (minus a couple of obvious trolls) 2 Yes (both give their motive to piss people off).
charper Member	Tue Nov 17 11:48:00 Kill yourself.. But first...
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Tue Nov 17 11:58:06 Click an ad.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 17 14:17:18 LOL, 14 votes out of 98 posts. Glad to see you Multi's are up to your usual *keen* focus.
Sarcasm Member	Tue Nov 17 14:19:57 Poisons is not counted.
purvis Member	Wed Nov 18 02:53:21 So the popular vote is for HR to not have mod access. Will Hot Rod be doing the honorable thing and notifying TC or will Jergul have to do that?
Ubes JAC Wildebeest	Sun Dec 20 13:00:49 ttt
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