Utopia Talk / Politics / Obama Making The Righties Cry

purvis Member	Fri Oct 30 15:48:37 What a godless marxist muslim. Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban October 30, 2009 -- Updated 1805 GMT (0205 HKT) "If we want to be the global leader in combating HIV/AIDS, we need to act like it," President Obama said Friday. STORY HIGHLIGHTS * He says administration to publish rule next week eliminating ban by the start of 2010 * Lifting ban will encourage testing and treatment, keep families together, save lives, he says * President also signed act extending HIV/AIDS treatment for thousands of people Washington (CNN) -- President Obama announced Friday that he will lift a 22-year-old ban on entry into the United States for people infected with HIV/AIDS. The administration intends to publish a new federal rule next week eliminating the ban by the start of 2010, he said. "We talk about reducing the stigma of this disease, yet we've treated a visitor living with it as a threat," he said at the White House. "If we want to be the global leader in combating HIV/AIDS, we need to act like it." Obama said that lifting the ban is a "step that will encourage people to get tested and get treatment. It's a step that will keep families together, and it's a step that will save lives." The United States, he said, is one of only a dozen countries that still bar the entry of people with HIV. Obama made the announcement shortly before signing legislation extending federally funded HIV/AIDS treatment for hundreds of thousands of underinsured, low-income Americans. The Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act authorizes a 5 percent annual increase in federal support over the next four years. Funding under the law is scheduled to rise from more than $2.5 billion in fiscal year 2010 to nearly $3 billion in fiscal year 2013. Among other things, the law helps ensure continued funding for the Minority AIDS Initiative, designed to address "the disproportionate impact of the disease on racial and ethnic minorities," according to a White House statement. The measure easily passed both the Senate and the House of Representatives last week. Similar legislation first passed almost 20 years ago and was reauthorized in 1996, 2000 and 2006. An estimated 1 million people in the United States have HIV, according the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Almost one-quarter of them are not aware that they are infected, the CDC says.
xyz1 Member	Fri Oct 30 15:53:04 WTF! Yes, let's invite people with a fatal and easily communicable virus into this country! An especially wise decision, now that we're going to have the taxpayers shouldering the cost for treating every disease-ridden person in America
Hot Rod Member	Fri Oct 30 15:57:53 Why not issue Visas to any terrorist that wants one and issue them an AK-47, a 1000 rounds of ammo and 5000 lbs. of explosives when they get off the plane?
purvis Member	Fri Oct 30 15:58:37 aahahahaaa
MrPresident07 Member	Fri Oct 30 16:02:55 No, he's the best thing that's happened to the right since Jimmy Carter.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Oct 30 16:20:11 Yeah, just what we fucking need: Let everyone with AIDS into the country. Fuck yeah. So that is two promises Obama has kept: 1. He got a dog 2. He let all the AIDS people into the USA from around the world. Good job Obama. FUN FACTOID: Did you know that although homosexuals only make up 1% of the population, they fully account for 50% of all AIDS cases?
ehcks Member	Fri Oct 30 16:33:49 "Yes, let's invite people with a fatal and easily communicable virus into this country!" Uh huh.. Where did you get this "fact"?
kargen Member	Fri Oct 30 16:55:57 This was something president Bush started, or wanted to do. Not sure the details of why it didn't happen when President Bush was in office, but it was something he advocated.
Nimatzo Member	Fri Oct 30 17:03:24 I am just wondering, how has the "ban" been enforced?
NeverWoods Member	Fri Oct 30 17:08:50 Most folks with HIV are under surveillance and have there name listed. I'm not counting developing worlds however..
azfalt Member	Fri Oct 30 17:09:34 Why are all the redneck retards so scared of faggots? I mean, if you're not gay you're not going to have sex with a gay person so you're not going to get AIDS so who cares. Let fags be fags, I say. And they should have the same rights nonfags have.
kargen Member	Fri Oct 30 17:13:07 yeah, because everybody knows that you have to be gay to get the HIV virus. asfalt your a fucking moron.
Nimatzo Member	Fri Oct 30 18:53:07 Yes but how much faith can you have in the surveillance of the most AIDS infested countries of the world?
Hrothgar Member	Fri Oct 30 20:56:37 I didn't even know this ban existed... odd.
leah horchler Member	Fri Oct 30 21:06:23 Obama is pozzing?
Forwyn Member	Fri Oct 30 21:07:46 Well, I won't be sharing needles, getting into knife fights, or having a dick up my ass, so I should be good here.
Multi New Member	Sat Oct 31 03:37:21 azfalt is JB pretending to be a "liberal"
Nekran Member	Sat Oct 31 04:29:07 I can't believe anybody can be against this lol... it's not the fucking plague, you know?
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 05:01:51 A man with HIV having sex with a woman can *ALMOST* as easily pass it to the woman as anal sex with a man. A woman with HIV is able to transmit the disease to a man though it is much more rare. As much as 500 times harder IIRC. I heard that some years ago and no, I am not going to try to verify it. You can take it or leave it. Another reason why this is a stupid idea is because of the expense our overburdened health system will have to pay for. Castro used to take those infected and isolate them in communities much like the old leper colonies. I can just see him emptying those colonies of anyone and everyone with a relative in the States like he did the prisons once before.
charper Member	Sat Oct 31 05:03:58 "Castro used to take those infected and isolate them in communities much like the old leper colonies." SIGH... Yeah lets see a *** LINK ***
charper Member	Sat Oct 31 05:09:24 *Might as well add "non-retarded right wing extremist blog link" since we're dealing with you here.
Nekran Member	Sat Oct 31 05:18:20 Heh, I just realised that "the fucking plague" is exactly what it is :)
Forwyn Member	Sat Oct 31 05:22:28 Interesting, though, that individuals whose lack of a certain set of receptors, which made them virtually immune to the plague, also made their descendants virtually immune to HIV.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 05:27:22 It seems the colonies have been phased out, but they *DID* exist back in the late '80's. Quarantine and personal freedom The quarantine period that was enforced as a standard procedure for HIV/AIDS treatment in Cuba between 1986 and 1989 is probably the most controversial practice associated with Cuban health care. As it relates to human rights, the issue here is the personal freedom of movement, a cost borne by every person subject to any quarantine regime; such a denial of freedom may also have discriminatory implications.17 However, two misunderstandings persist about the Cuban quarantine period. First, it is sometimes suggested that the practice persisted into the 1990s, when the virus and its treatment were better understood.18 Second, it has been suggested that quarantine predominantly targeted men who have sex with men (MSM).19 In response to these criticisms on quarantine, Cuban authors argue that it was an emergency response that took place when little was known about the disease and that the practice has since changed.20 Cuban respondents also argue that the initial (quarantine) period gave health care workers a useful â??spaceâ?? to prepare a more considered response.21 Nancy Scheper-Hughes was told that the early use of sanatoria was not about quarantine but rather â??aggressive medical treatment, research, testing of new drugs and epidemiological vigilanceâ??; Scheper-Hughes concluded that she was left with â??contradictory impressionsâ?? but mostly admiration for the achievements of the Cuban program.22 Most visitors to the sanatoria have commented favorably on their environment, food, and general conditions. A smaller group of patients remains in sanatoria voluntarily, to this day, because of the favorable conditions and support or because of problems at home. Yet some relationship between the initial quarantine and issues of stigmatization and fear of the disease has also been acknowledged. http://www...hr/article/viewArticle/138/220
Multi New Member	Sat Oct 31 05:32:57 "Most visitors to the sanatoria have commented favorably on their environment, food, and general conditions. A smaller group of patients remains in sanatoria voluntarily, to this day, because of the favorable conditions and support or because of problems at home." == Leper colonies???
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 05:34:29 "The quarantine period that was enforced..."\\\ The leper colonies were enforced too.
Forwyn Member	Sat Oct 31 05:34:51 Actually, my previous comment made me want to read a bit more into it(I had originally seen it on a..health channel? documentary). Scientists now think it was smallpox or dysentery that may have kept the AIDS-resistance gene alive.
Multi New Member	Sat Oct 31 05:36:54 Yes, but lots of things are enforced without being compared to leper colonies. If someone gets sent off to jail for 30 days for a minor offence for example, thats enforced, but comparing it to the presumed horrors of a leper colony would sound pretty strained and exaggerated, Im quite sure you are intelligent enough to see that.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 05:40:59 Being put in jail for various crimes with other criminals that have committed various crimes can hardly be compared to creating *specific* communities for lepers and/or HIV patients. Stop playing semantics, you know very well what I meant.
Multi New Member	Sat Oct 31 05:43:36 No need to be rude here, especially when it is quite clear that comparing these clinics that people chose to remain in voluntarily because they were so good and friendly to the dramatic horror of leper colonies is the actual semantics game. Come on Liberal, you KNOW comparing these to leper camps is only done to dramatize them and make them sound horrific...if you deny that, the only poster here reading that will be you.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 05:47:19 "comparing these clinics that people chose to remain in voluntarily..." "The quarantine period that was enforced..." Please show me the thesaurus that gives the words 'voluntary' and 'enforced' as synonyms. I was not being rude.
Multi New Member	Sat Oct 31 05:59:32 "Please show me the thesaurus that gives the words 'voluntary' and 'enforced' as synonyms." In Gods name, why do you think you can send me off googling claims I havent made? Lol? Sure you're being rude. You're playing semantics and accusing me of what you're doing. Comparing these to leper colonies is, and you know this, is dramatization.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 06:12:23 Article: "Quarantine and personal freedom The quarantine period that was enforced as a standard procedure for HIV/AIDS treatment in Cuba between 1986 and 1989 is probably the most controversial practice associated with Cuban health care." You - comparing these clinics that people chose to remain in voluntarily And with that "Byron" I leave you. Proclaim your victory and go think up a new tag.
Multi New Member	Sat Oct 31 06:17:43 "You - comparing these clinics that people chose to remain in voluntarily" No, YOU compared them! Lol, you are kidding right? Lol!
charper Member	Sat Oct 31 06:29:21 "Proclaim your victory and go think up a new tag. " Lol @ NotNotHot Rod, NotNotAngel, NotNotJohn Paul Jones, Liberal etc...
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 06:39:12 charper, who did you used to be?
Internet Bully Member	Sat Oct 31 10:12:32 Why are you calling him "Byron"? Are you missing him or something?
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 31 11:00:01 Hot Rod, "Why not issue Visas to any terrorist that wants one and issue them an AK-47, a 1000 rounds of ammo and 5000 lbs. of explosives when they get off the plane?" So you are saying that people who are infected with HIV are terrorists? wow...
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 11:31:01 IB, I am convinced you are one of Byron's multi tags too and I believe your lineage can be traced all of the way back to faithless. Please don't ask me to prove it, I do not have to and I cannot be bothered. Regardless, you are all a bunch of schmucks for changing your tags so often without publishing who you were originally. Paramount, they both have the capacity to kill innocent people.
Nekran Member	Sat Oct 31 11:35:28 Everybody has the capacity to kill innocent people. Time to not allow any tourism at all anymore, perhaps? After all, them nasty foreigners can't be trusted!
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 31 11:38:07 "Paramount, they both have the capacity to kill innocent people." And so do you.
ROFLMAO New Member	Sat Oct 31 11:43:37 This thread title is perfect.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 11:54:32 Paramount - And so do you. But I do not. Yet.
Internet Bully Member	Sat Oct 31 11:55:58 "IB, I am convinced you are one of Byron's multi tags too and I believe your lineage can be traced all of the way back to faithless. Please don't ask me to prove it, I do not have to and I cannot be bothered. Regardless, you are all a bunch of schmucks for changing your tags so often without publishing who you were originally. " Ok, don't ask you? Then stop making baseless fucking accusations. If it makes you feel better, how about you take your happy ass and email TC and ask him for IP's then if you are certain? Then you can get back to me with your conclusion, which will be your utter failure and further embarrassment. When you pull stunts like this it only shows how inept you are to carry any conversation or discussion because you are so focused on who the fucking identity is and totally ignore the content of the post that addresses the issues that you routinely complain about people not doing. Lastly, I've already revealed who I was and it is not my fault that you have a shitty memory, that isn't my problem. And lastly, you're the dipshit with multiple identities as well and make a big fucking deal the last time about changing your name to liberal and then playing the retarded little game of "Hot Rod Who?". In all seriousness, you're the main reason why this board is as shitty as it is. Has nothing to do with the multis. Has everything to do with posters who have been here for so long that continued that are incapable of ever seeing other viewpoints and so set in on their ways. Over the years you have demonstrated that you are incapable of ever changing your stance on anything. And when you try to present yourself as someone who is "progressive" and "openminded" it is nothing more than a facade because you resort to the same fucking, braindead, idiotic, viewpoints, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Your a fucking drop-out, a person who couldn't even finish school because you're dumb. And that's the truth anyone who drops out of highschool is a fucking loser who cannot grasp reality or is lazy. In your case you fit the bill. Everyone has seen it here over the years. You're a joke, you're a clown, you are nothing more than a "mascot" for UP. You are the whipping boy. To an extent UP should thank you for sticking around this long because you know someone has to be the bitch around here. Continue with your "I think your this poster" nonsense, it is not different than what you have been doing. It doesn't phase me and I'm sure it doesn't phase anyone else, except for those you "quit" because they couldn't handle being here. At least you have one up on that person and that isn't saying much for your sake. Bottomline, if you can't handle those who have multiple tags (like yourself), then probably you should just fucking quit or leave. Other than that get the fuck over it and at least for once in your miserable little life commit to something worthwhile like actually having a CIVIL FUCKING DEBATE. Dumbass troll.
Internet Bully Member	Sat Oct 31 12:02:02 subtract the "lastly" as I had more to say on the matter.
charper Member	Sat Oct 31 12:03:23 8/10
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 12:12:27 IB - If it makes you feel better, how about you take your happy ass and email TC and ask him for IP's then if you are certain? You change your IP more often than you change your underwear. IB - Bottomline, if you can't handle those who have multiple tags (like yourself) LOL, I have published a list of every single one of my tags. Hot Rod - Angel - John Paul Jones - Hot Rod - Liberal - Hot Rod. Don't you wish you had the courage and integrity to do the same. Go play with yourself while you think up a new tag to "fool" us with.
Internet Bully Member	Sat Oct 31 12:16:21 "You change your IP more often than you change your underwear. " I don't use proxies and my IP stays the same no matter what. Try again. "Don't you wish you had the courage and integrity to do the same." In verious threads, I have exposed three other tags that I used. As I said in my post, it is not my fault that you have a shitty memory, or you happened to miss out on them. As you request others to do, if you want to know who I am, you can go find a log or something. I don't care how you do it.
Internet Bully Member	Sat Oct 31 12:16:41 *various
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 12:20:33 You are so heroic, I bet all the liberals are swooning. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.
Internet Bully Member	Sat Oct 31 12:25:12 You're an inspirate for all drop outs HR. Now they can look forward of spending the rest of their lives on an internet board.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 12:32:11 inspirate - no dictionary results
Internet Bully Member	Sat Oct 31 12:34:48 *inspiration called a typo, especially when one is typing in haste. I don't want to go bring up your recent flubs.
Hot Rod Member	Sat Oct 31 12:40:02 I figured it was, but just wanted to make sure because had you continued it would have been misspelled. I sincerely hope I am an inspiration to high school drop outs. I later got my GED, took several college level accounting and computer courses and completed a year at The University of Hawaii in Oriental Studies.
saiko Member	Sat Oct 31 13:32:03 Good, this will disinhibit people from getting tested.
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