Utopia Talk / Politics / Islam Hates West Because of Liberals

Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 19:46:08 The US is at war with radical Islam because of FAGS, queers, and lesbians bestiality (think San Francisco) drug addicts and alcoholics hippies with LIBERAL ideology This is how they recruit new terrorists; they are shown Western propaganda pieces, describing how the SCUM of our society (LIBERALS) somehow represent who we are. Interestingly enough, Muslims have no quarell with actual Christians, as they are considered "Children of the Book". It is the atheist that must be killed.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 19:47:30 and the Liberals who want to fuck everything that moves in the ass. Liberal idea: If it moves, fuck it in the ass. Fuck it good. Cows, horses, little boys. These are a few of the Liberals' favorite activities, and this is the bullshit that comes with moral relativism.
roland Member	Thu Aug 27 19:55:16 Interesting indeed, the cons and the sand niggers has the same ideologies.
yankeessuck123 Member	Thu Aug 27 19:56:51 "Interesting indeed, the cons and the sand niggers has the same ideologies." ^the winner!
Rugian Member	Thu Aug 27 19:59:36 The scary thing is, this country is filled with millions of people that think exactly like JW. Between them and the assholes that like people like Obama, we're doomed.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 20:05:37 Just to be clear, I have no problem with fags, as long as they don't push their agenda on me, and respect my rights, I will do the same for them. Thank you Liberals for bringing terrorism on us.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 20:06:51 Rugian, what do you stand for? What do you believe? You like having that fence post up your ass while you straddle it? At one point, I had some respect for you, but by playing the middle, you stand for nothing. You are a critic without an actual cause. It is easy to criticize when you never express your own beliefs on anything.
Canadian Member	Thu Aug 27 20:25:15 Muslims hate us simply because we aren't believing in their God or their religion. Given that Mohammed was a schizophrenic and the Bible was produced by a bunch of people that wanted to solidify their power, religion = failure.
roland Member	Thu Aug 27 20:32:01 "Just to be clear, I have no problem with fags, as long as they don't push their agenda on me, and respect my rights, I will do the same for them. " You forgot you said "It is the atheist that must be killed. ". So you are going kill all of them despite you have no problems with them?? "Thank you Liberals for bringing terrorism on us." Except that is of course no true, they hated us because we were in their lands, and meddling with their internal politics.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 20:32:55 Canadian, I'll respectfully disagree with you. Muslim extremists have a (limited quantity of) respect for Christians who actually pray, and believe in God. Granted, they will turn radically violent on you in a second if you try to convert them to Christianity. But an atheist will be unlikely to receive any mercy at all. LOL! How funny is it that the reason we have a War on Terror ... or EXCUSE ME... an "overseas contingency" is because of Liberal ideology. LOL it is also a fact that the majority of Soldiers are Conservatives, while those protesting the campaign TEND TO BE... TADA! ... LIBERALS! Even in the War on Terror, the only thing stopping the wholesale slaughter of California and New York Liberals is the Conservatives who fight in our military, for the sake of the greater good of the country! Fuckin' IRONY!
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 20:34:57 Eliminate the military of the USA, and how quickly might we be invaded by hordes of radical muslims, seeking to purge the world of "infidels and ...wait for it.... wait for it...... UNBELIEVERS. HAHAHAHA!! Roland: I was referring to RADICAL Islamic doctrine, not my doctrine, not Christianity.
Randal Graves Member	Thu Aug 27 20:36:33 I feel as though anytime I come out from lurking and read something buy JW, I lose IQ points.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 20:39:06 That's your problem, raisin balls. You don't recognize the cold, bitter truth when you see it. May I ask your Alma Mater?
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 20:41:20 Graves, I won't post much information for you, because you obviously are lacking greatly in knowledge of how this world works. But a *GREAT* starting point is to educate yourself on what extremist Muslims use to recruit Noob bombers.
roland Member	Thu Aug 27 20:41:39 "Roland: I was referring to RADICAL Islamic doctrine, not my doctrine, not Christianity. " Well, according to the OBL, which you would agree is a radical, said that they hated us because we were in their lands, and meddling with their internal politics.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 20:45:25 As I said, why do they want us out of their lands? Because we are FILTHY in their eyes. Among the most detestable things about the West? Bestiality, homosexuality, promiscuity and whoredom by our loose women. Drunkeness, drug abuse, violence in our streets by various minority groups/gangsters. Basically all the raw sewage that our media pumps out at us every night, that is what gets edited into little bits for the Radical Muslims to feed their hatred with. Remember, in the days of Islamic rule, Jews and Christians were merchants and traders in their lands, not hunted or persecuted. Even today, in the Middle East and N. Africa, there are churches and Jewish temples. Look it up.
Randal Graves Member	Thu Aug 27 20:46:20 I believe you are no expert on how the world works with your prophetic accounts and other conspiracy theories. I tend to relieve such stresses from my life as most of it is complete bullshit. And those who continously partake in such activities have way too much time on their hands or are brainwashed from rightwing propaganda and have abandon all logic and reason. And yes, I get it, you're going to continue to claim that I am 'uneducated' or that I am 'lacking'. But I will help you out so you will not waste your time, especially mine, I do not give a fuck what you think. You're just a fuckhead behind a computer that would probably benefit from being addicted to internet porn instead of worrying your little self over from a hostile takeover that has been in the planning since the death of jesus.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 20:49:25 Pfeh... that is quite assholish of you, but thanks anyway. I never suggested you are "ignorant". It is very typical of Liberals to exhibit hypocrisy. In another thread here, on this board, I am asked about my background about 6 times (IIRC). But the moment JW, the Conservative asks a Liberal his background/education, all of a sudden I am subjected to a seething two-paragraph-long flame. GG
roland Member	Thu Aug 27 20:53:15 "As I said, why do they want us out of their lands? " Because they thought we are the imperalists who support the western back puppies to oppress muslims, in exchange for their raw materials, like oil.
Randal Graves Member	Thu Aug 27 20:55:20 "Pfeh... that is quite assholish of you, but thanks anyway." Kudos for grasping my intent. It wasn't a secret. "It is very typical of Liberals to exhibit hypocrisy." It is typical of people to exhibit hypocrisy. You, me, and everyone else. It happens. "In another thread here, on this board, I am asked about my background about 6 times (IIRC). " Well you have a choice, don't or do. Either way I care not. "But the moment JW, the Conservative asks a Liberal his background/education, all of a sudden I am subjected to a seething two-paragraph-long flame. " Um, you did imply that I was ignorant in a previous post. You did flame me in a previous post. And now you are complaining that you got a two-paragraph-long 'flame'. And you thought 'liberals' were pussies. LOL! Go ahead, make your other little quip. Not like it matters. lol. Too funny.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Thu Aug 27 20:59:27 Is that why Christian and Jewish merchants, bankers and businessmen have walked across Muslim lands for centuries? Is that why on several occasions, there have been US Soldiers that have been RELEASED by their extremist captors, after those young men refused to renounce their religion (of Christianity)? Granted, people like Osama Bin Laden were privilidged enough to get an education and they understand things like politics; they can point to things like exploitation but what is OBL's REAL beef? Do you know? I will tell you: He is a Wahabbi; in his view, the WEALTH of the West has corrupted the Royal Bloodline of Saudi Arabia. That same wealth has resulted in all sorts of debauchery among the Saudi Royal family, so much so that to this very day, this very moment, there is an intense standoff between the Saudi Royal family and the religious leaders. The Religious leaders think of the House of Saud as wicked traitors, and bound to the "unbelievers" because they are entrapped by wealth. Among their trespasses? Homosexuality, idolatry, promiscuity, and other abominable behaviour in their eyes. This behaviour, it is claimed, was taught to them by WESTERNERS, and in particular Americans. So, yes, we meddle, but amongst themselves, what we represent is POLLUTION of their culture. This is why if you go to a Muslim land, and you demonstrate respect, what they are seeing is that you have no desire to pollute their culture.
roland Member	Thu Aug 27 21:44:19 "Is that why Christian and Jewish merchants, bankers and businessmen have walked across Muslim lands for centuries?" Got nothing to do with the discussion, we are talking about why these islamists hate us, we are not talking about the muslims in the past centuries, or now. Unless you want to make an argument that muslim = islamicist. "Is that why on several occasions, there have been US Soldiers that have been RELEASED by their extremist captors, after those young men refused to renounce their religion (of Christianity)?" Again, this has nothing to do with discussion, and many of the captives were released simply because a ransom was paid, and had nothing to do with their religion. A lot of those captives were killed even though they said everything they could to save themselves. So, you can't really draw a pattern from this at all, JB. "So, yes, we meddle, but amongst themselves, what we represent is POLLUTION of their culture." But if you accept that, then you agreed that the Islamists attack us not because of what we do in our own back yard, but because we meddled with their country. I mean the Islamists in Iran for example, doesn't want our culture to import to their society, but they don't have problem making money off their resources. "He is a Wahabbi; in his view, the WEALTH of the West has corrupted the Royal Bloodline of Saudi Arabia. That same wealth has resulted in all sorts of debauchery among the Saudi Royal family, so much so that to this very day, this very moment, there is an intense standoff between the Saudi Royal family and the religious leaders. " The Saud endorsed Wahhabism as a mean to control the population. There are religious leaders who argeed with for the government, and there are those who dissented. I dont think your picture of the kingdom standing off against the entire religious insituation is correct. In fact, if that happen, the kingdom probably won't last that long, and you can see this during the Iranian revolution. The problem OBL has with the Saudi kingom is not WEALTH, in fact, the kingdom give him money which he has no problem using to finance the Afghan mujahadeen. And after that, OBL requested to help the Saudis after Iraq invaded Kuwait and threaten Saudi Arabia. So, OBL is still pretty much pro-government up to that point. But the Saudi blew him off and instead asked the Americans to support them. This is the cause between the split of OBL and the Saudi kingdom, the WEALTH argument is more like his own justification that because the kingdom has turn to the west, they must be now corrupted.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 04:29:33 Of course the real truth is that The Islamic conservatives are the only ones causing trouble and that this war in Iraq was started by american conservatives against Arab conservatives and that this is a conservative war. There are no arab liberals chopping off heads.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 04:30:34 The title of this thread is in fact the complete opposite of the truth. Well done JB! More complete and utter horseshit!
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 07:38:15 hoER, you and Roland are both highly inaccurate. This is a topic I've studied intensively for years. The summary I posted above was almost like posting the Table Of Contents or an Index for an encyclopedia on the subject. You both are arguing for the sake of argument.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 07:42:46 The fact is that Islam is ONE. Islam accepts Christians and Muslims- whether they be extremists or moderates. They always have, and they always will, as long as they follow the Qur'an. (They would NEVER accept preaching or attempts at conversion, however, by Jews or Christians) The hatred they feel for the west is (obviously) complex, but at the root, religiously motivated violence gets its steam from the belief that the Western nations will turn Muslims away from their religion, and corrupt their society. If you want to argue that, or make it about some other silly bullshit, go right ahead. The fact is that 75% of the Muslim world is uneducated by first world standards, and therefore cannot appreciate the intricacies of politics, or the global economy. With regards to radicals, only the leadership tends to have a modern education. With regards to the Taliban, and other types of groups, their quest in Afghanistan was to purge it of "godlessness" and "polytheism". Don't waste your breath debating this, because you will be proven wrong.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 07:44:28 And yes, my 75% number was just a rough estimate off the top of my head, not based on a statistic. If it were studied out, the number might be MUCH higher- say 80-90%+.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 09:13:10 Of course the real truth is that The Islamic conservatives are the only ones causing trouble and that this war in Iraq was started by american conservatives against Arab conservatives and that this is a conservative war. There are no arab liberals chopping off heads. Good going warmongering conservatives!
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 09:28:37 hoER: Just because you posted it again doesn't make it true this time. You can post it 30 more times, and it will still be wrong. Islamic Conservative- first of all- is a nonsensical term. Second, you are wrong in that Islamic conservatives are not behind terrorism. An Islamic conservative will keep the women in his family hidden from view and will abide by the Qur'an to a great extent. An Islamic conservative will not watch porn, or drink, or justify other detestable behaviour. A TERRORIST/EXTREMIST on the other hand, will go to strip clubs, drink alcohol, etc., as they feel their extreme act of self-sacrifice will guarantee their entrance to paradise, and therefore they can (like all other forms of insanity) justify one behavior off the back of another. I suggest you just bail out of this conversation now while you still have the tiniest shred of reputation left. You cannot match your knowledge of Islam and the M.E. with me unless you open another window and read from an encyclopedia; even then I will expose you for your lack of insight. And to answer your comment about Conservatives here in the USA, you are correct. As always, the Conservatives are the patriots willing to take up arms and sacrifice for the sake of the good of the country, as determined by their elected officials. Liberals, on the other hand, run away to Canada or Mexico to avoid service. Liberals are the ones that spit on soldiers that are returning home from war. Liberals are the ones who despise the history and culture of America, and want to see it destroyed or reformed into something else.
Nimatzo Member	Fri Aug 28 09:36:56 This thread confirms the worst things decent human beings have long suspected, that right wing wackos and muslims fanatics are the same side of two different coins.
Asgard Member	Fri Aug 28 09:39:56 ""Interesting indeed, the cons and the sand niggers has the same ideologies." ^the winner!" +1
Asgard Member	Fri Aug 28 09:41:51 "that right wing wackos and muslims fanatics are the same side of two different coins." But the reason why the fundies in the US want to war the fundies in the east is because the ones in the East have something the ones in the west want.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 09:42:16 How naive and simplistic some people can be
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 09:42:25 We've always known that. Liberals dont want wars, they try to avoid wars. Muslim conservatives and christian conservatives are the only ones who want this war. And they're so alike in so many ways, so much more like than their opposites, the liberals, as JB so clumsily and inadvertantly explains in his PP. JB==selfpwned again...
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 09:42:46 PP=OP
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 09:46:24 I see now your stupidity knows no bounds, troll.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:17:42 Its sad, because Im telling the truth and youre just a liar...luckily, everyone except your trusty old easily led by the nose mule HR, is just laughing at you. You have noticed that, right?
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:19:45 You provide one link to a liberal suicide bomber, and Ill answet with 20 times as many. You start. Proof is in the pudding, bitch.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:20:09 * You provide one link to a liberal suicide bomber, and Ill answer with 20 times as many conservative suicide bombers. You start. Proof is in the pudding, bitch.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:24:05 "Conservative Islamism Growing in Middle East Thursday July 29, 2004 As Islamism and Islamic extremism grow in the Middle East, they threaten to pose a greater threat to security and peace around the world. Even worse, they pose a very serious threat to liberty and progress within their own nations. So why are they so popular? The Tallahassee Democrat profiles the growth of Islamic extremism in Kuwait: It is a movement powerful enough to offer young Arabs an unbeatable package: a vision of the world and the network to succeed in it. ... "Young people want to add a meaning to their lives, politically. And somebody is going to organize them," said John Zogby, a Lebanese-American pollster who has surveyed Muslims around the world. "What is clear is that the Islamists are getting to them first. The Islamists have the energy, a voice, a message." The Islamic movements offer pride, a vision, and hope for the future. Their governments canâ??t and their governments have repressed liberal democratic reform movements â?? movements that could offer hope themselves. It shouldnâ??t be surprising that Islamic extremism has become so popular."
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 10:27:12 Good god. Did I say that LIBERAL muslims commit terrorism? No I did not. I said extremist muslims. There are LIBERALS and there are CONSERVATIVES and then there is an entirely different category: EXTREMISTS. What grade are you in?
Nekran Member	Fri Aug 28 10:34:51 You're in the extremist one. That's for sure. Your OP proves it :)
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:36:09 The extremists are extreme conservatives. My god, are you this unaware of the world? Wait - now JB's gonna convince me that them militant muslims, denounced as extreme conservative fanatics all round the world are actually lefties. You can tell this by their patriarchal, macho, fag killing, god worshipping, tradition loving, nationalistic flag waving, abortion supporting, womens rights, AA whining, ACLU moaning, militant liberal tendencies. Dumdumdum...fulloshit
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:37:28 Why dont we put it to the test JB? You post your values and I post mine and Muslim gets to tell us whos the greatest enemy?
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 10:39:32 I think the BILLION peaceful (many of which are conservative) Muslims in the world would be offended your hate-filled rant. Why must you judge ALL Muslims over the actions of a few extremists? This is the irony of the Liberal. They preach tolerance only when it suits them.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:41:49 Errr...wtf kind of lunacy did your brain just invent now? lol
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:42:25 "You are *LABELING ME* Thats is what Liberals DO."
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:43:33 Oh I see, while lecturing about irony, you completely missed the irony that every other single poster here gets? lol...look at yourself man...
Nekran Member	Fri Aug 28 10:45:48 Heh... that is a rather epic selfpwnage :) Even more ironically he didn't even do what you claim he did... surely you know the poster Muslim, who is most definitely of the extremist variety? :)
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 10:53:04 You said: "The extremists are extreme conservatives. " I think that 1 billion+ Muslims worldwide would be offended by that. Just because someone is conservative- or even extremely conservative in their views- does not make them a terrorist.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 10:53:28 Why do Liberals always want to imprison people for their ideas and religious views?
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 10:54:16 "Conservative Islamism Growing in Middle East As Islamism and Islamic extremism grow in the Middle East, they threaten to pose a greater threat to security and peace around the world. Even worse, they pose a very serious threat to liberty and progress within their own nations. The Islamic movements offer pride, a vision, and hope for the future. Their governments can't and their governments have repressed liberal democratic reform movements"
Nekran Member	Fri Aug 28 10:56:08 "Just because someone is conservative- or even extremely conservative in their views- does not make them a terrorist." That's not what he said... he said the extremist terrorists are extremely conservative. This is true. He did not say that the statement works the other way around as well. It's like a fish is an animal, but that doesn't mean every animal is a fish.
Paramount Member	Fri Aug 28 10:57:53 "Islam Hates West Because of Liberals" So you agree that Islamists and the Conservatives are allies and wants to destroy our free Western society and our values?
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 11:00:02 No I do not agree.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 11:05:33 See, Dumdum, these are not the people anyone wants to fight in the ME. Well, apart from some extreme american conservatives, of course. We are fighting the conservative extremists over there. "The liberal Muslim's focus on individual interpretation and ethics, rather than on the literal word of scripture, may have an antecedent in the Sufi tradition of Islamic mysticism. However, this reformist approach has led liberal Muslims to adjust or qualify their criticism of various acts by extremist Muslims, including terrorism. Ijtihad (re-interpretation of scriptures) This means that liberal Muslims often drop traditional interpretations of the Qur'an which they find too conservative, preferring instead readings which are more adaptable to modern society (see ijtihad). Most liberal Muslims reject derivation of Islamic laws from literal readings of single Qur'anic verses. They generally claim that a holistic view which takes into account the 7th century Arabian cultural context negates such literal interpretations. The reliability and applicability of Hadith literature is questioned by liberals, as much of traditional Islamic law derives from it rather than Quranic text because there are immense gaps in legal and family issues. [edit]Human rights Most liberal Muslims believe that Islam promotes the notion of absolute equality of all humanity, and that it is one of its central concepts. Human rights is thus a major concern for most liberals. Many Muslim majority countries have signed international human rights treaties, but the impact of these largely remains to be seen in local legal systems. Tolerance and non-violence Tolerance is another key tenet of Liberal Muslims, who are generally open to interfaith dialogue and conflict resolution with such communities as Jews, Christians, Hindus, and the numerous factions within Islam. Liberal Muslims[who?] tend to be skeptical about the validity of Islamization of knowledge[citation needed] (including Islamic economics, Islamic science, Islamic history and Islamic philosophy) as separate from mainstream fields of inquiry. This is usually due to the often secular outlook of Muslim liberals, which makes them more disposed to trust mainstream secular scholarship. They may also regard the propagation of these fields as merely a propaganda move by Muslim conservatives.[7] These are the kinds of people killing people over there: "Ansar-e-Hezbollah [1] (Arabic: Ø£Ù?صار حزب اÙ?Ù?Ù?â??, Persian: اÙ?صار حزبâ??اÙ?Ù?Ù?) (lit. 'the supporters of the party of God') is a militant conservative Islamic group in Iran. Its ideology revolves around devotion to upholding the principles of the revolution, especially the belief in Valiyat al-faqih." See the difference between libs and cons and how that relates to your BS OP?
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 11:29:43 While the principle-ists (conservatives) were generally suspicious of modern ideas and resistant to modern lifestyles at the time of the Iranian revolution, the Islamic radicals (neo-principle-ists) were receptive to many aspects of modernity and willing to collaborate with secular intellectuals and political activists.[28] Another neoconservative theorist, Mohammad Ali Ramin believes that contemporary western history (e.g. Holocaust) are all fabrications by Jews. He also claimed that Adolf Hitler was a Jew himself.[56] M.A. Ramin, Hassan Abbasi, Abbas Salimi Namin, Hasan Bolkhari and others have been giving speeches about Jewish conspiracy theory, Iranian and western history intensively all over the country since the establishment of Ahmadinejad government in 2005.[52] Currently, Abadgaran described itself as a group of Islamic neo-principle-ist (conservative),[57] have the control over current Iranian government Combatant Clergy Association The association is composed of right wing conservative elements of Iranâ??s political culture, including the nationâ??s foremost politicized clerics, the Friday prayer leaders in most of Iranâ??s metropolitan areas, the bazaar merchants, and the Supreme Leader. Not surprisingly, members of this faction support a continuation of the status quo, including strict limits on personal freedoms and the continued primacy of the clergy in the nationâ??s day-to-day governance. The tradition of banning names dates to the beginning of the Islamic Revolution in the early 1980s, when Iran's conservative leaders sought to purge the country of both Western culture and its own Persian, pre-Islamic past. A cleric and member of the conservative Islamic Coalition Party, Hojjatoleslam Khorsand was cited by "Etemad daily" as saying that "in cultural issues, a policy of tolerance and laxity is not acceptable." Under Ahmadinejad, neo-conservative forces are determined to make the Islamic Republic more Islamic than republican. Whether they will succeed is another matter. Power in Iran is a complicated matter, and various factions exist even among conservatives, who run the gamut from hard-liners to pragmatists. During 1990s, Akbar Ganji had discovered crucial links that connected the chain murders of Iran to the reigning neoconservative clergymen (Ali Fallahian, Gholam Hossein Mohseni-Ejehei, Mohammad Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi) who had issued the fatwas legitimizing assassinations of secular humanists and religious modernists. http://en....f_fundamentalist_Islam_in_Iran
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 11:35:24 So, at the heart of the matter, what do we have here JB? *There is conflict between muslim and western civilisations. *Conservatives on both sides are the ones supporting war. *Liberals on both sides want the killing to end.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 11:46:00 Muslims hate Western pollution of their countries. Extremists act upon that hate. The pollution they cite includes: homosexuality bestiality promiscuity drug use alcohol abuse ...and other values/behaviours championed by Liberals in the West. No 1,000 page dissertation is going to change that fact, and no amount of posting is going to change the fact that Jews and Christians can walk freely in most of Islamic society, provided they do not try to proselytize.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 11:57:04 You make the perfect example. The violent, warmongering cons blaming their wars on the libs...
Nekran Member	Fri Aug 28 13:32:17 Nobody champions bestiality... nor alcohol abuse. Nor promiscuity. Also now you've just offended all the muslims who don't hate the western influence in their countries or drugs (ever heard of hashish? pretty big in the muslim world) or promiscuity (don't forget, the boys can). Can you explain why Muslims have moved in droves to more left leaning western european countries? Your whole idea is flawed to the bone. Surely the extremists will consider some of these things abominations and whatnot, but you have no case whatsoever for calling it the main reason they hate the west. Nor that most of these things even have anything at all to do with liberalism. On top of that you're doing what you unjustly accused Hoer of before, which is lumping all the muslims together as if it's one homogenous group. One thing is true though, the pro-war sides of both camps are conservatives. And you are an extremist.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 16:46:39 I am surrounded by morons.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 16:50:22 You are totally pwnd is what you are.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Fri Aug 28 16:50:46 LOL Answer my question in the other thread.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 16:54:37 What q? About my fucking sex? You stupid fucking moron, answer the challenge.
roland Member	Fri Aug 28 17:32:26 "This is a topic I've studied intensively for years. The summary I posted above was almost like posting the Table Of Contents or an Index for an encyclopedia on the subject. " That's interesting coming from you, didn't you say to another poster just because he is a firearm instructor, his opinion doesn't weight more than you. And here you are, using his argument, that you studied muslim for years, and so you know everything about them. If you want to use the "I am right and you are wrong" argument, you got to tell us your credential.
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 17:44:06 He also claims that personal knowledge cannot be used in any intellectual discipline...lol
hoER Member	Fri Aug 28 17:47:35 Or rather, he actually claimed that personal knowledge of a culture cannot be used in any way to form correct opinions...which is pretty funny in this context...of course, it was pretty funny when he claimed that the first time too and that I hence could not refer to having any valid knowledge of european cultures - and then proceeded to "prove" how he understood european culture better than europeans through his brief personal knowledge of Europe...he's just so dumb lol...
Isaksson Member	Sat Aug 29 07:42:10 Well, i've noticed the sperm gets more agressive with animals. They penetrate everything there is, and not only the egg. Why is that?
Isaksson Member	Sat Aug 29 07:56:51 I thought it was all about the oil!
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Sun Aug 30 09:45:31 Or rather, he actually claimed that personal knowledge of a culture cannot be used in any way to form correct opinions...which is pretty funny in this context...of course, it was pretty funny when he claimed that the first time too and that I hence could not refer to having any valid knowledge of european cultures - and then proceeded to "prove" how he understood european culture better than europeans through his brief personal knowledge of Europe...he's just so dumb lol..." Actually, what I said very clearly was that one cannot use a set of personal experiences as being representative of an entire nation. What I said in my statement above was totally different. Unfortunately because I am dealing with half wits, I have to waste time and energy explaining it in more basic language. So here it is: The REST of my comment, which (as usual) you edited out to suit your purposes was: "I suggest you just bail out of this conversation now while you still have the tiniest shred of reputation left. You cannot match your knowledge of Islam and the M.E. with me unless you open another window and read from an encyclopedia; even then I will expose you for your lack of insight." Thus, my statements about studying this subject was NOT itself an argument. It was a warning that if the conversation proceeded any further I would expose your lack of knowledge. How is that different from what YOU were saying when you tried to use your personal experience? Simple. Your comment was "I know my country! I live here and I know you are wrong!@@!@#$%!" or some nonsense like that. I replied to this by stating you must use statistics, not your own personal opinions, as personal experience is an invalid argument. Everyone knows that to be true, except you. I then pointed out that personal experiences are too narrow to be used in any form of serious intellectual discipline, and that instead, one must use STATISTICS, such as those gathered nationally, or globally. These kinds of statistics serve the purpose more effectively. Using only your personal circle of friends (maybe 200 people?) is a far too insignificant sample to represent your country. On the same platform, would you accept a poll that included a sample size of 150 or 200 persons? Neither would I. To be truly accurate, one must use the statistics that include the greatest sample possible.
roland Member	Sun Aug 30 16:59:44 Still waiting for that credential of yours.
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