Utopia Talk / Politics / America Will Fall Inside of 50 Years

Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:05:59 And here is why: When Obama's crew took power, the elite in the USA knew what was coming. Billions of dollars were transferred out of the country and converted to other currency. That Obama is a naked Marxist, and a Communist is beyond question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn6kbHPO4QU So, here is his plan for those of you who have still not been able to see the light. I include a dire prediction, but I also include the exact footprints that Obama will use to seize "Benevolent Dictator" status in the United States, which will eventually lead to a few other complications I will outline below. First, to understand what is going on, one must pay attention to history, and in particular the Marxist and Communist ideologies, and how they spread. Suffice to say that Obama has been surrounded by Communists all of his life. His parents met during the height of the Cold War in a Russian Language class. His endeavors have been funded by communists and socialists, and he himself admits his agenda is to implement "Social Justice"- which is code for Socialism. His agenda thus far has imitated other socialist regimes, including taking over the private sector, banking, large industry giants, such as automobiles and the mortgage industry, etc. Currently, Obama is working to complete the takeover and socialization of the Health Care industry. Why is this happening right now? Simple: Whe Obama creates "FREE" GOLD PLATED HEALTH CARE FOR EVERYONE, he will immediately push for Immigration "reform". We can already see glimpses of this: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/obama-immigration-reform-to-start-moving-by-the-end-of-the-year-.html (Summary: Immigration Reform on the Near Horizon). Health care reform must be immediately followed by Immigration reform to achieve the agenda. This newly created block of voters, grinning from ear to ear because they were welcomed by Obama and given the gift of citizenship and health care, will undoubtedly assure a Democrat President for the next 8, 12 or 16 years. From here, we can expect to see -more than likely- that this vigorous and loyal base of voters will support Obama's ultimate plans: A Constitutional Amendment to abolish term limits.
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Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:09:31 The push for term limits will also be accompanied by a "breaking" of the US Dollar. Fortunately for the Administration, they have recruited the man who almost broke the British Pound Sterling, George Soros- the "master" that schooled Lawrence Summers and his protege Tim Geithner. These three are cut from the same cloth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/229012.stm " The Washington Post - - - By Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers Monday, June 15, 2009 Over the past two years, we have faced the most severe financial crisis since the Great Depression. The financial system failed to perform its function as a reducer and distributor of risk. Instead, it magnified risks, precipitating an economic contraction that has hurt families and businesses around the world. ... <SNIP> Fifth, and finally, we live in a globalized world, and the actions we take here at home -- no matter how smart and sound -- will have little effect if we fail to raise international standards along with our own. We will lead the effort to improve regulation and supervision around the world. The discussion here presents only a brief preview of the administration's forthcoming proposals. Some people will say that this is not the time to debate the future of financial regulation, that this debate should wait until the crisis is fully behind us. Such critics misunderstand the nature of the challenges we face. Like all financial crises, the current crisis is a crisis of confidence and trust. Reassuring the American people that our financial system will be better controlled is critical to our economic recovery. By restoring the public's trust in our financial system, the administration's reforms will allow the financial system to play its most important function: transforming the earnings and savings of workers into the loans that help families buy homes and cars, help parents send kids to college, and help entrepreneurs build their businesses. Now is the time to act." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061402443.html
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:12:07 The "breaking" of the US Dollar will then be followed by the UNIFICATION of the USA with Canada, and Central and parts of South America. The Unification effort is well underway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag_GjVZmIIE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgGEv-cdoms
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:15:56 The merger between the USA, Canada, and Central and South America will be the hingepin upon which a new Global Socialism movement will be thrust forward; wealth limits will be implemented, and the excess gathered through forcible siezure will be transferred to state coffers, and doled out in the form of "aid" to a regional, provisional authority probably headed by the United States. All of this will be to generate precedent for further, tighter cooperation between nations, and ultimately a loss of national sovereignty. It is likely that these actions will result in civil war, and ultimately a United States that is so weakened by political infighting and domestic disturbances that it will permanently fall from its position as a globally dominant player.
ehcks Member	Tue Aug 11 14:17:41 So much baseless speculation.
yankeessuck123 Member	Tue Aug 11 14:24:33 "That Obama is a naked Marxist, and a Communist is beyond question" If you're a fucking retard it is.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:24:36 And all of the above fits neatly within the framework of Biblical prophecy. The current decline and full-speed acceleration towards an "Amero" currency- exactly as described in the above posts- fully accounts for the lack of mention of the United States in the book of Revelation. The nation of Israel is invaded by Russia and Iran, but no mention of the United States is made, countering the attack on Israel. Why? Could it be because the global agenda, spearheaded by One-World-Government Zionists and designed to PROTECT Israel will ultimately prove to be its near-undoing? For by pushing towards this one-world government, the Zionists hope to capture the wealth of the globe, and by extension the security that indebted nations bring. By controlling purse strings, viz-a-vis banking, they can control all manner of funding as well as the purse strings of every political leader on the planet. But when their efforts fail due to civil war, it will open the way for Bible Prophecy when Russia lunges for Israel along with Iran. China will then be drawn into the war in the Middle East. The Bible predicts the dead will be so great that the smoke will blot out the sun, and that the birds will gather for the feast of corpses.
Madc0w Member	Tue Aug 11 14:27:48 Smart move, setting the timetable to 50 years so that when you're wrong, UPers won't be able to laugh at you because this place will be dead.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:31:01 Fact: Obama is a Socialist. Fact: Obama is surrounded by Zionist Jews (Geithner, Summers, Soros) Fact: Their agenda is openly to bring the currencies of the world into harmony in increments Fact: Zionists seek not merely security of Israel, but domination of power centers through financial manipulation Fact: The purpose for such manipulation is to usher in a kind of "Pax Israeli", where the kingdoms of the world pay a literal tax-subsidized "tribute" to Israeli-Jew owned banks. The failure in this plan is that China and Russia will ultimately be led to confront the gradually coalescing infant "world-conglomeration" they see forming, and will eventually challenge it militarily. This belief in "Jewish-Zionist" bank-based power grabbing is the reason for the Russian attack (together with Iran and other Arab, Middle Eastern and Asian nations) exactly as the Bible predicted. Thus the machinations of the Zionists will prove, in the end, to nearly be the DOWNFALL of Israel.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:32:28 The Apocalypse in the Bible is a confrontation between the Israeli-backed bankers' agenda, and the gravely threatened nations of Russia and China.
Nimatzo Member	Tue Aug 11 14:33:22 So your stupidity is not confined to science, but also saturates your political and economical opinions as well?
licker Sports Mod	Tue Aug 11 14:37:57 i think the aliens probed a little too hard and smushed his brain
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:38:33 Just as the Pharisees sought to purchase their own righteousness through their own "strength" of obedience to the law, the Zionists of today are attempting to manifest their own "Messiah" and be their own "Salvation (Emmanuel)"; And, just as the Pharisees failed in bringing about the true righteousness of God, the Zionist's attempts at salvation for the Nation of Israel will result in its near destruction. And just as the Messiah appeared in the days of the Pharisees, and suddenly exposed the plan of God for righteousness and unification with Him, so too will the Messiah once again return in the darkest hour of Israel's need, and reveal again that He alone is their salvation. "And they shall look upon Him, whom they pierced, and they shall mourn, as one who mourns an only Son." -Isaiah
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:49:13 This also explains the time that is coming for Christians, when they will be persecuted throughout the world, and how for a season, God Himself will hide his face from them. They will be labeled "extremists" and first thrown in prisons. Later, and in many nations, they will be killed. When He descends from Heaven- at the height of this global confrontation in Israel, it will be in response to a nuclear detonation of some sort... "and then shall the heavens unfurl, as though a scroll were unfurled,... " "And the fire shall be unquenchable, so that it melts the elements..." "And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth." -Zecheriah 15:12 The nuclear detonation will trigger the return of Messiah (Jesus). And the Muslims will believe it to be Issah, and the Jews will believe it to be Messiah, and "all the world will marvel".
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:56:34 " So your stupidity is not confined to science, but also saturates your political and economical opinions as well? " Find fault. " Smart move, setting the timetable to 50 years so that when you're wrong, UPers won't be able to laugh at you because this place will be dead. " My timetable begins now. Google Obama Immigration Reform. Its coming at the end of this year. You can see by Christmas (and probably over the Christmas holiday in America) he will push for legislation to incorporate a huge number of immigrants into the USA. That will greatly depend on the success of the health care reform he was so agressively and quickly pushing. If he succeeds with health care, immigration will follow right away.
hoER Member	Tue Aug 11 14:57:20 JB, the whole world laughs at the incredible lies you creationist, neofascist lunatics keep telling...if you guys had any intelligence, you would at least try to make up lies that are somewhat believable to an educated, intelligent human...but thanks for keeping the laughs coming, and for continuing to destroy the GOP :)
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:58:22 And of course immigration reform is Obama's "Ace Up The Sleeve" in this game of cards. It is the reason he will virtually guarantee his own re-election. And the power brokers cannot lose, because even if Obama is not re-elected, the massive influx of fresh Democrat immigrants with shiny new citizenship cards will vote Democrat; the power brokers' agenda cannot be derailed.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 14:59:19 find fault.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 15:06:39 Even now, there is cooperation between Iran and Russia, and the widespread belief in "Zionist Conspiracies". As the world unites first through the Euro, and the Amero, and then later through some as-yet unknown alliance, the sovereignty, viability, and national security of Russia and China will be threatened to the point where they will militarily confront the "global alliance" of whatever nations have joined it. This is the inevitable conclusion for today's headlines, the gobbling up of banks around the world by a small handful of super-banks etc., and the fact that they are owned by Zionists. I am not criticizing Israel, or fomenting hate against Jews. I am pointing out the fact that Zionism does exist, and within its tiny clique are men who are following this agenda.
licker Sports Mod	Tue Aug 11 15:07:46 Even if they are following that agenda it does not mean the rapture is a-coming...
Nimatzo Member	Tue Aug 11 16:10:09 >>Jeddediah Wilkins Member Tue Aug 11 14:59:19 find fault.<< I will give you the biggest fault and it is really not meant as an insult, but this is the big fault here. I freely admit that I do not have the time nor will to go through the junk you have written here and try to point out what is wrong with it. You are basically the stereotype Hollywood homeless New Yorker standing with a sign telling us that the world is going under. Why is that? Where does things go wrong, where is the fault? It's your brain or lack there of, you inability to critically think things over without spilling over into paranoid fiction. My advice to you is to stop watching downloaded movies for a while, start watching really boring documentaries, maybe, just maybe it is not too late and you might find your way out of the haze of Tom Clancy novells.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 16:12:39 Summary of Nimatzo's post: "I don't have the time, patience, or ability to actually do any research to debunk your claims. You are a nutter, and that is good enough an insult for me to rebut your claims without actually looking into any of them. Of course the biggest reason not to do any research is because the ramifications of your claims being right are too big for my little mosquito head to deal with."
Paramount Member	Tue Aug 11 16:12:41 "Fact: The purpose for such manipulation is to usher in a kind of "Pax Israeli", where the kingdoms of the world pay a literal tax-subsidized "tribute" to Israeli-Jew owned banks." So if the Zionists gets their will through they want the world to pay taxes, a tribute, to them? Fuck them! Why can't we just invade Israel and arrest their criminal terrorist leaders and send the settlers back to the Soviet states where they belong?
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 16:17:13 The Zionists are not acting on behalf of Israeli leaders, or the Israeli government; at least not in any recognizable way. They are political ideologists acting on their own, using spectacular wealth as their means of advancing their agenda. And I believe, as with most human endeavors, their ideology conveniently mingles with- and is reinforced in part by- personal greed and infatuation with wealth and power. The "tribute" is not a traditional tribute, but rather the repayment of loans to various States, in the form of income taxes and other taxes on the citizens of each nation that falls into debt. As a readily identifiable example of this, the profit of world banks is the INTEREST paid on the national debt. In the case of the United States, it is estimated to be several trillion dollars.
Nimatzo Member	Tue Aug 11 16:18:42 >>Of course the biggest reason not to do any research is because the ramifications of your claims being right are too big for my little mosquito head to deal with.<< The big reason is that your stance is utterly retarded and for me to even begin to make sense to you I would need to explain some basic things you have picked up totally ass backwards. It is as if someone would learn the alphabet, but from Z to A. No I don't have time for that, it is not my place to do that and I do not think you would appreciate to be belittled like that, ops! I am content with just pointing and laughing.
Paramount Member	Tue Aug 11 16:20:04 Nonetheless, Zionists are evil and just like Nazism Zionism must be destroyed.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 16:41:21 In labeling, one becomes like the one he labels. Besides this, I personally believe these events cannot be completely stopped. Rather, they can only be delayed- perhaps even indefinitely, and only through education of leadership so they stall legislation initiatives that lead us to "one world" style governments, and united currencies.
Milton Bradley Member	Tue Aug 11 16:44:04 Since you have ignored me in the other thread, I will repost my reply here: "i. that this same conspiracy theory is also spearheaded by the "Zionist bankers" mentioned above, no matter how ludicrous it appears on its face " This would be the easiest one to dispute. You say that there actually is a conspiracy to create one world government ruled by wealthy zionist bankers, yet you then claim these same wealthy zionist bankers are spearheading the creation and distribution of the theory of said conspiracy. This makes no sense.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 16:56:03 I didn't ignore you; I was trying to understand what you wrote. I think I see what you are getting at. I basically mistyped. It should have read:"i. that this same conspiracy {deleted} is also spearheaded by the "Zionist bankers" mentioned above, no matter how ludicrous it appears on its face "
Milton Bradley Member	Tue Aug 11 16:56:59 Typo or not you are obviously wrong, and thus refuted. Game over.
hoER Member	Tue Aug 11 17:05:11 "Jeddediah Wilkins Member 16:12:39 Summary of Nimatzo's post: Of course the biggest reason not to do any research is because the ramifications of your claims being right are too big for my little mosquito head to deal with. Jeddediah Wilkins Member 16:41:21 In labeling, one becomes like the one he labels." These guys have the memory span of a gold fish - a classic component in measuring intelligence in animals...
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 17:11:17 No one can prove me wrong thus far. MB, you are no longer being intellectually honest if you can't plainly understand what I wrote above in my reply to you.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 17:21:46 If my conspiracy theories are wacky fruitcake material, then simply point out where my predictions are wrong. Either way, they will begin this year with immigration reform in the United States. Also, I predict Canada will make alliances with south American countries in historic ways. This will support the agenda of a unified "American Supercontinent"- the financial merger of Canada, the USA, Mexico and Central America.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 17:22:33 Candian initiatives will begin this autumn and into the winter.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 18:28:12 http://www...8/11/free-trade-panama011.html Well, well well... Looky what we have here: "Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Panamanian president Ricardo Martinelli signed a free trade agreement in Panama City on Tuesday, the eighth such deal Canada has signed in the last year. Once enacted â?? the pact still needs to be ratified by Parliament â?? the deal would immediately eliminate more than 90 per cent of tariffs on Canadian exports like potatoes and other agricultural exports, and such high-tech machinery as flight simulators. Other tariffs would be eliminated within 10 years."
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 18:28:45 How fucking pointless, unless it supports my theory, and the one world agenda. ^^^^
hoER Member	Tue Aug 11 18:48:39 "Well, well well... Looky what we have here: "Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Panamanian president Ricardo Martinelli signed a free trade agreement in Panama City on Tuesday, the eighth such deal Canada has signed in the last year. Once enacted â?? the pact still needs to be ratified by Parliament â?? the deal would immediately eliminate more than 90 per cent of tariffs on Canadian exports like potatoes and other agricultural exports, and such high-tech machinery as flight simulators. Other tariffs would be eliminated within 10 years." Omg, JB found proof that Obama is planning to abolish the term limit and become a communist dictator!!!!!!1111111two
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 18:51:50 "Omg, JB found proof that Obama is planning to abolish the term limit and become a communist dictator!" Almost correct. Good for you. You're finally getting it.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Tue Aug 11 18:55:20 My challenge still stands.
hoER Member	Tue Aug 11 19:17:14 As does mine. When will you answer it?
MrPresident07 Member	Tue Aug 11 19:35:18 While I don't agree with the theory, it is very valid and very possible. Eschatology is a very tricky thing.
corkie Member	Tue Aug 11 20:45:17 JW is writing a term paper: 'The 21st Century Politics and The Horseshit that Courses Through My Mind: A thesis of Speculation and Shenanigans'
pillz Member	Tue Aug 11 20:54:48 why would we want to merge with the likes of you? and why would ANYONE want to merge with the mexicans.
Aeros Member	Tue Aug 11 21:43:52 After you got enough Tequila in you, you will "merge" with anyone : )
mexicantornado Member	Tue Aug 11 22:28:09 I can agree that America has a chance of falling within 50 years. It will be a completely different world and crazy countries like North Korea and Iran will have the capability of launch nuclear ICBMs all over the world by then which will probably cause the destruction of most of the world. But I do not think America will fall apart from internal problems. America has a history of swinging from far right and then far left and usually ends up somewhere in the center. Most of Obama's policies won't pass and those that have passed will get repealed either in 2010 or when a repub becomes pres in 2012.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Wed Aug 12 01:23:58 I just want to be clear that I recognize the distinct difference between Zionism and Judaism. I am pro Israel, and in favor of a safe, powerful, and Democratic Israeli State. I also hate the religion of Islam, and personally do not believe there is such a thing as "peaceful Islam". Ultimately it is a religion that is tainted with violence, so that even if education were to eradicate this generation of extremists and murderers, another would rise to take its place, so long as its writings remain. But I believe the tiny group of "Zionists" have taken a radical ideology to themselves, and are executing a spectacular plan. I believe the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a spectacular forgery, completely fake, and they serve to distract from the real threat: An actual group of affluent and intelligent individuals who are working towards this one -world government for the purpose of guaranteeing the security of their homeland, and its "Golden Age" of prosperity through the control of global power centers and international finance. Another comment on the Protocols: I think they are insulting to the reader. No fool would ever write such a thing and distribute it in a meeting. It reads more like a grade school plot than an actual mature adult conversation or business strategy.
Jeddediah Wilkins Member	Wed Aug 12 01:26:35 ^^^ and I mentioned the above concerning Islam because that is where I stand on it. The reflex response of labeling my views as Nazi or anti-Semitic simply are either misunderstanding or willful distortion. And once again, I assert that unless and until my views are successfully challenged on their merits, they are accurate to the degree that they are verifiable.
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