Utopia Talk / Politics / Obama's Thug Stomp Down Protestors

mexicantornado Member	Fri Aug 07 14:47:11 So the town hall meetings were load and argumentative but they were never violent until Obama brought his union goons into the game. And they did exactly what they were supposed to do, make sure conservatives no longer feel safe going to town hall meetings to keep their reps honest. Quote of the video, some SEIU goon states, about beating the shit out of the black conservative, "He attacked America" Fucking chicago style politics, welcome to the new thuggocracy. http://www...FbYjVY&feature=player_embedded
mexicantornado Member	Fri Aug 07 14:53:04 SEIU is a union org, they vote democrat, the democrats are getting torn apart at this town halls, who the fuck do you think told them to start going to town halls?
Hot Rod Member	Fri Aug 07 16:06:50 I'm surprised it took them that long to start breaking heads. Union thugs are just that, thugs. Notice in the video, the protesters had women with them carrying their purses. The SEIU thug attacked the guy for *insulting Am,erica.* That is the weakest excuse ever for breaking up a peaceful assembly.
State Department Member	Fri Aug 07 17:13:20 "I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face." -Obama, 2008
Chen Member	Fri Aug 07 17:28:08 This seems like a stretch violence was orchestrated by the administration. The government is too incompetent to pull off almost every conspiracy theory out there. Assuming this is true, some peon would have leaked something by now.
mexicantornado Member	Fri Aug 07 17:45:41 @chen - Obviously we will never get Obama on tape saying, "send out my union thugs, beat up people who are tearing apart our dem congressmen at town halls". What this is though is a group that gives massive amount of money to democrat congressmen going out and sending their thugs to protect the congressmen they have bought. Obama could stop this today if he would only say, "SEIU cannot gaurd the doors or play bouncer at town halls". Remember this was all peaceful until the union thugs started showing up. Fucking mafia criminals.
Hot Rod Member	Fri Aug 07 17:48:41 You would think so unless the peons are True Believers. They are sending out the union thugs now. Next it will be ACORN and/or the Black Panthers. Are you starting to get a picture of the face of Obama's "private army?" If he buys them all Brown Shirts, you can kiss your asses good bye.
mexicantornado Member	Fri Aug 07 17:52:05 Oh and by the way this sort of shit has happened at every town hall SEIU members have shown up. If you think that is a coincidence then you are being stupid, they were told to go there and do exactly what they have done. Fucking thugs.
Chen Member	Fri Aug 07 17:57:15 "Remember this was all peaceful until the union thugs started showing up. Fucking mafia criminals." Eh I haven't really been following the news as much as usual over the summer. I wouldn't put it past Obama to pull this kind of crap, but I also just can't picture our government pulling off intimidation flawlessly. Some idiot would have to tell a friend/relative.
Milton Bradley Member	Fri Aug 07 17:58:19 The first time someone is beaten to death or shot, it will make the news. Until then, no one cares.
kargen Member	Fri Aug 07 18:24:44 It wasn't suggested by President Obama himself, but someone in his administration that organizations that support the health care program fill the town hall meetings so those who oppose it can't get in and offer opposing views. From there it has escilated into violence. In some town halls they were only letting in union members and keeping everyone else out. There is some video of that floating around where you see union members in their union shirts entering as the people opening the doors push others aside and refuse to let them in. President Obama didn't call directly for violence, but he is from Chicago and is not a stupid man. He knew what was going to happen.
Canadian Member	Fri Aug 07 18:32:03 "That is the weakest excuse ever for breaking up a peaceful assembly." - Yup, because screaming at representatives and burning them in effigy is the most peaceful thing one can do.
mexicantornado Member	Fri Aug 07 18:38:38 Yelling at a public servant because they refuse to answer a question is peaceful, if they would have tried this shit at our founding they would have been beaten to a pulp. They still should be.
kargen Member	Fri Aug 07 18:40:53 Well according to the old ladies running around wearing pink it is perfectly fine to shout down speakers and rush the stage. Not saying two wrongs make a right but there are huge differences. The ladies in pink went to disrupt a meeting no matter the message. These townhalls people are attending to get answers and get upset and start shouting down the speaker when the speaker refuses to or cant answer their questions. And that effigy thing is crap. It happened once and was immediatly condemned as inappropriate by the right. It does make nice fodder for the left though. Now instead of answering questions they can act all idignant about one single isolated incedent. Never mind half of em were probably in parades and protests that had a hanging effigy or president Bush and then it was okay. Still the two wrongs thing applies. yes at one meeting one person in the crowd did a bad thing. that doesn't explain why thugs a thousand miles away should be able to beat people just for wanting to attend the meeting.
Hot Rod Member	Fri Aug 07 18:42:12 Canadian - - Yup, because screaming at representatives and burning them in effigy is the most peaceful thing one can do. That is called passion. When a union thug beats up someone for "insulting America" it is called violence. There was no physical violence before the union thugs started coming to the meetings.
Hot Rod Member	Fri Aug 07 18:44:12 And kargen is correct. The effigy was over the top.
hoER Member	Sat Aug 08 00:58:48 "Canadian - - Yup, because screaming at representatives and burning them in effigy is the most peaceful thing one can do. That is called passion." My God, you must leave actual footprints of bull shit wherever you go, you're so utterly full of it...
hoER Member	Sat Aug 08 01:04:41 "And that effigy thing is crap. It happened once and was immediatly condemned as inappropriate by the right. It does make nice fodder for the left though. Now instead of answering questions they can act all idignant about one single isolated incedent. " Liar. Obama effigy found on U. of Kentucky campus Obama effigy found hanging from campus tree Oregon Racist Obama Effigy Hung In Ohio (VIDEO)
hoER Member	Sat Aug 08 01:09:00 As of 1:00 p.m. today, Castaneda had taken down the effigy portraying Obama with a knife in his neck, covered with blood and hanging from his own necktie Ahhh, innocent "passion"...
mexicantornado Member	Sat Aug 08 03:10:49 Right because the liberals never burned Bushs effigy or even Palins which was quite odd considering she was never even elected to national office. Oh well, in the liberal world hypocrisy is just another trait to have to be a useful idiot.
kargen Member	Sat Aug 08 04:29:05 "Obama effigy found on U. of Kentucky campus Obama effigy found hanging from campus tree Oregon Racist Obama Effigy Hung In Ohio (VIDEO)" and none of them are town hall meetings ya stupid bastard. We are talking about town hall meetings here, please do follow along as best your little brain can.
roland Member	Sat Aug 08 04:40:27 Along the way, Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) had to leave a meeting with a police escort for his own safety and has suspended town hall meetings, Rep. Frank Kratavil (D-MD) was hanged in effigy, and Rep. Brad Miller (D-NC) suspended town hall meetings after receiving a death threat over health care reform. Other targeted members of Congress include Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Arlen Specter (D-PA) and Claire McCaskill (D-MO), and Reps. Gary Peters (D-MI), Lloyd Doggett (D-TX), Dan Maffei (D-NY), Patrick Murphy (D-PA), Allen Boyd (D-FL), Thomas Perriello (D-VA), Bruce Braley (D-IA) and Russ Carnahan (D-MO). http://www...ings-shows-a-fascist-mentality
roland Member	Sat Aug 08 04:55:48 "Right because the liberals never burned Bushs effigy or even Palins which was quite odd considering she was never even elected to national office. Oh well, in the liberal world hypocrisy is just another trait to have to be a useful idiot. " You mean how they have condemned that idiot who hanged the Palin effigy?
purvis Member	Sat Aug 08 06:29:46 Protesters in Ybor City drown out health care summit on Obama's proposal TAMPA â?? Bitter divisions over reforming America's health care system exploded Thursday night in Tampa amid cat calls, jeering and shoving at a town hall meeting. "Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!" dozens of people shouted as U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, D-Tampa, struggled to talk about health insurance reforms under consideration in Washington, D.C. "There is more consensus than there is disagreement when you get right down to it,'' Castor offered, immediately drowned out by groans and boos. She pressed on, mostly unheard among screams from the audience estimated by Tampa police to be about 1,500. "Tell the truth! Tell the truth!" "Read the bill!" "Forty-million illegals! Forty million illegals!" The spectacle at the Children's Board in Ybor City sounded more like a wrestling cage match than a panel discussion on national policy, and it was just the latest example of a health care meeting disrupted by livid protesters. Similar scenes are likely to be repeated across the country as lawmakers head to their home districts for the summer recess. Thursday's forum/near riot was sponsored by state Rep. Betty Reed, D-Tampa, and the Service Employees International Union, who apparently had hoped to hold something of a pep rally for President Barack Obama's health care reform proposal. Instead, hundreds of vocal critics turned out, many of them saying they had been spurred on through the Tampa 912 activist group promoted by conservative radio and television personality Glenn Beck. Others had received e-mails from the Hillsborough Republican Party that urged people to speak out against the plan and offered talking points. An overflow crowd of critics was left waiting outside the building â?? and in some cases pounding on the meeting room doors â?? while health care reform activists complained that Democrats and union members were guided into the room for prime seats. Tampa police officers maintained control the entire night. "They can't even run a meeting, and they want to run health care?'' scoffed Kevin Grant, a Tampa printing business owner, standing near someone wielding a "Shame on you America. You sold your soul to the Devil" sign. The nationally televised images of protesters lashing out at politicians sympathetic to Obama's health care proposal certainly drive home the health care plans' keen opposition. Some Democrats, though, argue that engaged, disruptive protesters only serve to depict the GOP as unwilling to work on solutions. "These groups are not concerned about Americans' access to quality heath care, but are extreme ideologues, only interested in 'breaking' the president and thwarting the change Americans voted for last November," said state Democratic chairwoman Karen Thurman. Polls show mounting public concern about the nation's debt and deficit, and a CNN poll released this week found 50 percent of those surveyed support the president's plan and 45 percent oppose. Castor said a strong debate is healthy but suggested that many of the protesters who have shown up at town hall meetings in recent weeks would have staunchly opposed the creation of Medicare and Social Security a few decades ago. "The insurance industry and â?¦ Republican activists are manufacturing a lot of these phony protests,'' said Castor, who has been closely involved in the health care debate and said she won't support any bill lacking a government-run insurance option. She left before the forum ended, which drew more boos. State Rep. Reed said she encouraged Castor to leave because nobody could hear her anyway. Protesters said there was nothing phony about their strong showing, just a bubbling of grass roots anger. "It's the backlash to the arrogance of our government that you're seeing here,'' said Brad Grabill of Temple Terrace. http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/article1025529.ece Moronic GoP hypocrites making themselves look like retards again...lol
mexicantornado Member	Sat Aug 08 12:18:19 I am pretty much going to ignore the people who are trying to say that both sides are violent, why? Because you guys are just being stupid, and if you are not being purposely stupid then you are a fucking moron. The only people arrested for assault are the union members who were told by this administration to stop town halls from being taken over by Americans who are pissed off that the federal government is attempting to nationalize 15% of the country's economy. Here is a fun video of a dem rep who condemned the "republican assaults" and then has to back track when he is forced to admit that the only people arrested are union thugs who have gone to these town halls. http://www...fb8iQQ&feature=player_embedded
roland Member	Sat Aug 08 13:03:42 "I am pretty much going to ignore the people who are trying to say that both sides are violent, why?" You dont think sending someone death threat is a threat of violent?
mexicantwister Member	Sat Aug 08 13:04:47 no holmes! how do ya figure?
mexicantornado Member	Sat Aug 08 13:04:54 I don't think these town halls got violent until union thugs arrived beating the cheap out of old people and acting as bouncers. And no, being loud and obnoxious is not violent, that is democracy when your constituents are pissed off.
roland Member	Sat Aug 08 13:22:01 "And no, being loud and obnoxious is not violent, that is democracy when your constituents are pissed off. " No, but I am sure sending someone a dead threat is violent.
Pervy Sage Member	Sat Aug 08 13:29:07 "And no, being loud and obnoxious is not violent, that is democracy when your constituents are pissed off. " It's part of being violent, and those feelings can lead to physical confrontations. Getting in a shouting match are signs of aggression.
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S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Member	Sun Oct 04 13:45:24 WASHINGTON - Death threats are part of the job for any American president, but Barack Obama has reportedly had more levelled against him than any commander-in-chief in history. Concerns about his safety are mounting in the midst of a tense summer that has seen mobs of angry demonstrators showing up to protest Obama's health-care reform plans - including a man openly carrying a pistol on Tuesday in New Hampshire, where the president held a town hall meeting on health care. It's legal to carry holstered weapons in the state, so long as they're not concealed. The man was also waving a sign that read "It Is Time To Water The Tree of Liberty," a reference to the Thomas Jefferson quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Footage of the protester with his gun in a leg holster rapidly made its way to various news websites in the hours before Obama appeared, alarming video in a country that has seen four presidents gunned down in public and attempts made on the lives of 11 others. "There is, and rightly so, a growing concern about the tone in American politics right now," Cal Jillson, a political scientist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, said Tuesday. "It started with Sarah Palin and the way the crowds responded to her last year, and continued with the tea party gatherings and now the town hall meetings on health care - there is an arc of rhetorical excess that I think is rightly worrying to people." A new book, "In The President's Secret Service," says Obama receives as many as 30 death threats a day, 400 per cent more than those made against his predecessor, George W. Bush. Its author, Ronald Kessler, has sent shockwaves through Washington with his allegations that the cash-strapped Secret Service is cutting corners, leaving the first African-American president in U.S. history particularly vulnerable. "There's no question his life is in danger," Kessler, a veteran investigative journalist, said in a recent television interview. "Tomorrow, Obama could be assassinated ... simply because the Secret Service was not doing what it used to do." The Secret Service has vehemently denied those allegations, but images of the armed New Hampshire protester amid suggestions Obama isn't being adequately protected are unsettling to many Americans. "It's a matter of time until someone is shot. And if it's Obama, the country is going to explode in violence," wrote a commenter on the Washington Post's website on Tuesday. Even Congress representatives have faced death threats this summer over health-care reform. A Democratic lawmaker from Washington state received a faxed death threat a day after he described enraged town hall demonstrators as "a lynch mob." Representative Brian Baird says he's also received threatening phone calls, and was forced to cancel the rest of the town halls he'd scheduled. The likeness of a Maryland congressman was hanged in effigy at a recent town hall, and protesters carried the fake tombstone of another Texas politician at a similar event. Jillson says top Republicans are stoking some of the anger by making statements about Obama's health-care reform plans that are "demonstrably untrue."He pointed to Sarah Palin's recent Facebook message that alleged White House "death squads" would endanger the life of her disabled infant son. "Any time you whip up people's emotions in a political setting, the result of that is uncertain and uncontrollable," he said. "The Republican party is on a knife's edge here - they have certainly bloodied the Democrats politically on health-care reform, but they risk going too far." But one former Republican aide says death threats are always part of the political landscape in the U.S., adding Americans shouldn't be overly concerned right now. Stephen Hess of the Washington-based Brookings Institution once monitored the mail of Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1961, shortly after the president left office. "Here is a man who is a retired two-term president, revered, a five-star general in the last just war, and he's getting dozens of dozens of death threats," Hess recalled with a laugh. "We're a large country in which there's a certain percentage of nuts, often sick people. I don't think these threats have to do with the times in any special way. Most of these people frankly are just crazy, and they've always been around." If anything, Hess said, the advent of information technology - e-mail, in particular - means threats are much easier to make now, and the mentally unhinged can level more of them despite having little chance of ever carrying them out. "It's anonymous and it's instant," Hess said. http://ca....1/world/us_obama_death_threats
NeverWoods Member	Sun Oct 04 15:44:31 "so those who oppose it can't get in and offer opposing views." kinda like what Bush did for 7 years.
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