Utopia Talk / Politics / No Dent In Obama's Popularity

Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 11:52:51 Rofl June 17, 2009 Republican criticism of Barack Obama's handling of the economy and other issues does not appear to be having much effect on the president's popularity, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. Mr. Obama's overall approval rating now stands at 63 percent, unchanged from last month. Just one in four Americans says they disapprove of the president. On the issue deemed most important by Americans - the economy - the president holds a 57 percent approval rating. Thirty-five percent disapprove. Mr. Obama also enjoys majority approval on his handling of foreign policy (59 percent) and the threat of terrorism (57 percent). The poll does reveal areas in which Americans offer more negative reviews of the president, however. Just forty-one percent approve of his handling of the struggling U.S. auto industry, while a slightly higher percentage - 46 percent - disapprove. And most Americans do not believe the president has a plan for dealing with the massive fiscal deficit. On health care, meanwhile - the reform of which is the president's top legislative priority - Mr. Obama's approval rating is 44 percent. Thirty-four percent disapprove of the president's handling of health care. The State Of The Economy: Though they are generally positive about Mr. Obama's handling of the U.S. economy, Americans remain pessimistic about the current economic landscape. Read The Complete Poll (PDF) Forty-eight percent describe the economy as "fairly bad," while another 36 percent call it "very bad." Just 14 percent say the economy is "fairly good," and a mere one percent describe it as "very good." And Americans are less positive than they were a month ago about the direction of the economy. Twenty-seven percent say it is getting better - down from 32 percent in May - while 25 percent say it is getting worse, a slight increase. Forty-six percent believe the economy is staying the same. Americans are also more worried about household job loss in the coming year, with 36 percent saying they are "very concerned," up from 25 percent in May. Another 28 percent are "somewhat concerned," while just 35 percent are not concerned about someone in their household losing a job in the next year. (CBS) Roughly one in three say the president's policies are making the economy better, about half as many feel Mr. Obama's policies are making the situation worse. About half say the president's policies, which include a massive federal stimulus package, have had no impact thus far. Just 30 percent of those surveyed say Mr. Obama has a plan for dealing with the deficit. Twice that percentage says the president has no plan. By a small margin, Americans now favor deficit reduction over spending to stimulate the economy. Fifty-two percent say the federal government should focus on deficit reduction, while 41 percent support federal government spending. Forty-four percent of Americans say the country is headed in the right direction, roughly the same as last month. Fifty percent say the United States is on the wrong track. In October of last year, just seven percent said the country was going in the right direction. Iraq, Afghanistan, And Guantanamo Bay: Support for closing the military prison facilities at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba has increased in the past two months. Forty-eight percent now back closure of the Guantanamo Bay prison, up from 44 percent in April. Forty percent believe the facility should be kept open, a decline of seven percentage points since April. A substantial percentage of Americans remain scared that closing Guantanamo will make America less safe, however. Read more about the poll's findings on Guantanamo Bay here. CBS News Polls No Dent In Obama's Popularity Support For Gay Marriage Dips Support For Closing Guantanamo Grows Sotomayor Still An Unknown Americans are positive about the situation in Iraq, with 62 percent saying things are going well. Just 31 percent say things are going badly. Positive assessments are down nine points from April, though they are still up 16 points since September. Perceptions of the situation in Afghanistan are far less positive. Just 30 percent say things are going well there - down eight points from April - while 55 percent say they are going badly. Views Of The Parties: The Democratic Party is currently far enjoys far more popularity than its Republican opposition. Fifty-seven percent of Americans have a favorable view of the Democratic Party, while just 28 percent have a favorable view of the Republican Party. And while Democrats are united - 90 percent approve of their party - just 64 percent of Republicans approve of the Republican Party. Independents have a far more favorable view of the Democratic Party (51 percent approve) than the Republican Party (28 percent approve.) http://www.../17/politics/main5094528.shtml
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 12:48:03 t
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 13:08:38 Why not show something more current? Sunday, July 19, 2009 Email a Friend Email to a Friend ShareThis Advertisement The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 30% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of â??7 (see trends). MORE: http://www...ily_presidential_tracking_poll Here is a graph for you. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/july_2009/obama_index_july_19_2009/234246-1-eng-US/obama_index_july_19_2009.jpg
Nujabes Member	Sun Jul 19 13:23:58 http://www...a_job_approval-1044.html#chart Never ever use one poll as a reliable source of getting the public opinion. Rasmussen Reports is criticized for being Republican biased. I would never use FOX as a source when trying to prove how horrible the Democrats are doing. If you only had to use a single poll, I'd suggest Gallup.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 13:39:30 In the last presidential The Rasmussen Poll led all others in accuracy IIRC.
HOer Member	Sun Jul 19 14:26:30 "In the last presidential The Rasmussen Poll led all others in accuracy IIRC." Have a little look at the source for your claims shall we?
CrownRoyal Member	Sun Jul 19 14:26:31 Fuck Obama! Fuck him in his asshole!
Leah Horchler Member	Sun Jul 19 14:30:47 CR, not even Hot Rod favors that. Obama is not a preteen asian boy, after all.
HOer Member	Sun Jul 19 14:47:48 "In the last presidential The Rasmussen Poll led all others in accuracy IIRC." Wow, seems they came last in fact. lol Zogby: Predicted 48-46 Gore, off by 2. Gallup: Predicted 46-48 Bush, off by 2. USA Today: Predicted 46-48 Bush, off by 2. IBD/CSM/Tipp: Predicted 46-48 Bush, off by 2. Pew: Predicted 47-49 Bush, off by 2. Harris: Predicted 47-47 tie, off by 2 (same results for Harris Interactive), ABC/WP: Predicted 45-48 Bush, off by 3. NBC/WSJ: Predicted 44-47 Bush, off by 5. Battleground: Predicted 45-50 Bush, off by 5. ICR: Predicted 44-46 Bush, off by 6. CBS: Predicted 45-44 Gore, off by 7. Rasmussen: Predicted 49-40 Gore, off by 9. http://sto...09/poll-accuracy-national.html
HOer Member	Sun Jul 19 14:50:41 * Wow, seems they came last in the previous one though in fact. lol
Leah Horchler Member	Sun Jul 19 14:59:18 2004 was the previous one. 2000 was not. HTH
HOer Member	Sun Jul 19 15:02:12 Correct.
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 16:10:56 Rasmussen you say, eh? Obama Approval Index Month-by-Month When you track the Presidentâ??s Job Approval on a daily basis, people sometimes get so caught up in the day-to-day fluctuations that they miss the bigger picture. To look at the longer-term trends, Rasmussen Reports has compiled the numbers on a full-month basis and the results can be seen in the table in the body of this article below. The Presidentâ??s numbers have fallen since the euphoria of inauguration day, but are still generally positive. Since January, the number who Strongly Approve has fallen from 43% to 34% in June. During that same time frame, the number who Strongly Disapprove has grown from 20% to 32%. Thatâ??s about what youâ??d expect from a President transitioning from a honeymoon period to a time when he will start to be judged by his policies. Those numbers translate to a Presidential Approval Index that has declined from +23 in January to +2 in June. These numbers do not support the partisan spin coming from either side of the aisle. In fact, a good description of the situation is the same as Scott Rasmussen noted in an analysis on the Presidentâ??s 100th day in office: â??Republicans and conservatives try to paint a portrait of declining support and weakness. Democrats and liberals see a president with unrivaled popularity and power. Both assessments are wrong.â?? Realistically, no one can tell what will happen next. If the economy recovers and policy moves like the GM takeover appear to be working out, the Presidentâ??s ratings could be bouncing higher a year from now. On the other hand, if the economy remains weak and GM is back asking for more bailout money, the Presidentâ??s ratings will suffer. Two-thirds of American voters (64%) support a law requiring the federal government to sell its interest in GM within one year. http://www..._approval_index_month_by_month PWND by Rasmussen
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 16:54:43 HOer - Wow, seems they came last in fact. lol ERR... That was *TWO* elections ago. LOL Here you go, as compiled by Fordam University. The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection polls (as reported on pollster.com). 1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)** 1. Pew (10/29-11/1)** 2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1) 3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27) 4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)* 5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)* 5. ARG (10/25-27)* 6. CNN (10/30-11/1) 6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1) 7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3) 8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27) 9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2) 10. FOX (11/1-2) 11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27) 12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3) 13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2) 14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2) 15. Marist College (11/3) 16. CBS (10/31-11/2) 17. Gallup (10/31-11/2) 18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3) 19. CBS/Times (10/25-29) 20. Newsweek (10/22-23) http://www...%20presidential%20election.pdf
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 16:57:04 OOPS, Poll Accuracy in the 2008 Presidential Election â??Initial Report, November 5, 2008â?? Costas Panagopoulos, Ph.D. Department of Political Science Fordham University For inquiries: cpanagopoulo@fordham.edu or (917) 405-9069
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 17:03:41 Funny how HR avoided pasting the next paragraph from his source lol... Democratic Party activists have pointed out that Scott Rasmussen is a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign. [9]. John Marshal of Talking Points Memo has said, "The toplines tend to be a bit toward the Republican side of the spectrum, compared to the average of other polls. But if you factor that in they're pretty reliable. And the frequency that Rasmussen is able to turn them around -- because they're based on robocalls -- gives them added value in terms of teasing out trends." [10]. And liberal networks such as MSNBC simply do not use Rasmussen polls. [11] Conversely, conservative media frequently refers to Rasmussen, praising them for being the first to ask about a relevant issue or to ask questions that other polsters do not.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 17:12:52 And just exactly which of George's pockets was Fordham University in? They are the ones who took the raw data, compiled it an determined that Rasmussen and Pew shared the #1 spot for accuracy.
Cahoon OReilly New Member	Sun Jul 19 17:16:09 Repeat: Rasmussen you say, eh? Obama Approval Index Month-by-Month When you track the Presidentâ??s Job Approval on a daily basis, people sometimes get so caught up in the day-to-day fluctuations that they miss the bigger picture. To look at the longer-term trends, Rasmussen Reports has compiled the numbers on a full-month basis and the results can be seen in the table in the body of this article below. The Presidentâ??s numbers have fallen since the euphoria of inauguration day, but are still generally positive. Since January, the number who Strongly Approve has fallen from 43% to 34% in June. During that same time frame, the number who Strongly Disapprove has grown from 20% to 32%. Thatâ??s about what youâ??d expect from a President transitioning from a honeymoon period to a time when he will start to be judged by his policies. Those numbers translate to a Presidential Approval Index that has declined from +23 in January to +2 in June. These numbers do not support the partisan spin coming from either side of the aisle. In fact, a good description of the situation is the same as Scott Rasmussen noted in an analysis on the Presidentâ??s 100th day in office: â??Republicans and conservatives try to paint a portrait of declining support and weakness. Democrats and liberals see a president with unrivaled popularity and power. Both assessments are wrong.â?? Realistically, no one can tell what will happen next. If the economy recovers and policy moves like the GM takeover appear to be working out, the Presidentâ??s ratings could be bouncing higher a year from now. On the other hand, if the economy remains weak and GM is back asking for more bailout money, the Presidentâ??s ratings will suffer. Two-thirds of American voters (64%) support a law requiring the federal government to sell its interest in GM within one year. http://www..._approval_index_month_by_month PWND by Rasmussen
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 17:20:26 BTW HR, would you mind deleting that post that has fucked up the whole thread and posting it in a more user friendly manner for others? Thanks.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 17:28:28 My original has a graph in it. http://www...S/obama_index_july_19_2009.jpg BTW, this is tracking 'strong' approval/disapproval. Of course it is not accurate to the nth degree, it is just intended as a bellwether. Look, you can take it or leave it, I don't care. All I'm saying is don't give us last months data and call it fresh.
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 17:32:15 BTW HR, would you mind deleting that post that has fucked up the whole thread and posting it in a more user friendly manner for others? Thanks.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 17:34:00 LOL, in other words only month old liberal polls allowed that support your agenda. Cool.
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 17:35:37 The thread, Rod. You fucked it up for everyone with your long title. Please fix it so that it isnt ruined for everyone else here. I reccommend tinyurl in the future :) Thanks.
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 17:41:28 I see. So you dont care if you ruin the board for others. Now I know where I have you. Cool. :)
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 17:42:52 Oh I see, my apologies. I have a new computer and wide screen monitor now so I didn't notice the problem. Sorry, nothing I can do about it, I am not a MOD. :)
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 17:44:18 Of course you can. You do what everyone else has to do who has a little common courtesy: *you report it in the mod thread * You use tinyurl or do you think you are above others here? I guess you do...
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 18:15:52 They used to do that to me and no one cared, where were you then. Actually, they told me to go fuck myself.
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 18:17:54 And that somehow makes it ok to do that to posters that never did it to you? I've gotcha sized up pretty much now! :)
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 18:28:22 When it was done to me I complained, explained about tinyurl, ignored it and eventually forgot it. TC has been asked to fix the problem but he hasn't yet. Now, if you want to do something about it post in the 'what features people want' thread and the Mod thread if it moves you. You might even send TC a PM. But, I am not going to do any of that for you. You have a nice evening now.
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 18:58:09 Common courtesy and decency not really a big thing in your upbringing, was it? Now you have a nice evening too :)
Hot Rod Member	Sun Jul 19 19:00:06 No. Common courtesy and decency not really a big thing in this forum as you well know.
Cahoots OReilly Member	Sun Jul 19 19:07:06 I see. One set of rules for what you demand of others, and a very different set of rules for you, eh? Yeah, Ive got you nicely sized up lol ;) Now really, have a nice evening :)
Hot Rod Member	Mon Jul 20 14:13:24 Here you go, this is what his friends think of him today. Obama Approval Ratings Dip in New Poll AOL News posted: 1 HOUR 21 MINUTES AGO comments: 3028 filed under: Political News, The Obama Presidency (July 20) -- Is the honeymoon over? Six months into his presidency, a new Washington Post/ABC News poll shows approval ratings for President Barack Obama's handling of health care, the economy and the budget deficit sliding. As he starts a major push for health-care reform legislation, approval for Obama's handling of the issue dropped to 49 percent, down four points from a month ago. Approval for his handling of the economy fell four points as well, to 52 percent, and his handling of the federal budget deficit was down five points to 43 percent. Obama's overall job approval rating is higher than it is for specific issues, but it also took a hit. It slipped to below the 60 percent mark for the first time in Post/ABC polling, to 59 percent -- a drop of six points in a month. How do you think Obama's doing? Rate him below. http://new...bama-approval-ratings%2F578736
Canadian Member	Mon Jul 20 14:22:09 "1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)** 1. Pew (10/29-11/1)** 2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1) 3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27) 4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)* 5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)* 5. ARG (10/25-27)* 6. CNN (10/30-11/1) 6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1) 7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3) 8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27) 9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2) 10. FOX (11/1-2) 11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27) 12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3) 13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2) 14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2) 15. Marist College (11/3) 16. CBS (10/31-11/2) 17. Gallup (10/31-11/2) 18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3) 19. CBS/Times (10/25-29) 20. Newsweek (10/22-23)" - The guy's study is flawed. No sample numbers or margin of errors, nor how each poll was conducted. To top it all off, of course a poll (Rasmussen or Pew) done a day or two before the election will be more accurate than a poll done a week (CBS) or a week and a half ahead of time (Newsweek). Panagopoulos's study is flawed. I already debunked it a while back, and you really should stop retreading it.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Jul 20 14:24:13 Canadian, take it up with Fordham University.
Canadian Member	Mon Jul 20 14:50:47 nah, it's a lot easier to sign him up for some spam.
HOer Member	Mon Jul 20 14:52:49 Good point HR, cos according to your source: "The President�¢??s numbers have fallen since the euphoria of inauguration day, but are still generally positive. Since January, the number who Strongly Approve has fallen from 43% to 34% in June. During that same time frame, the number who Strongly Disapprove has grown from 20% to 32%. That�¢??s about what you�¢??d expect from a President transitioning from a honeymoon period to a time when he will start to be judged by his policies. "
Dukhat Member	Mon Jul 20 15:16:51 You fucking liberals are fucktards. Ramussen was the most ACCURATE of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 election cycle. Not only that CBS/NYtimes were among the WORSE of 2004 and 2008. http://blo...ist_which_presidential_po.html 1T. Rasmussen (11/1-3)** 1T. Pew (10/29-11/1)** 3. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1) 4. Harris Interactive (10/20-27) 5. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)* .... 21. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3) 22. CBS/Times (10/25-29) 23. Newsweek (10/22-23) Fucktard liberals.
Dukhat Member	Mon Jul 20 15:17:08 Well they were among the worse of 2008. Their bias has really grown over time.
HOer Member	Mon Jul 20 15:21:55 "Ramussen was the most ACCURATE of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 election cycle." Well, good for you. Cos theyre the ones saying that Obamas figures are generally positive.
kargen Member	Mon Jul 20 15:45:33 The overall approval rating for President Obama doesn't really matter that much. Support for his "key" issues is dropping like a rock. Ask yourself why is President obama trying to rush through all these programs. The answer. Because public support for them is dropping daily and dropping fast. President Obama could have a 90%+ approval rating and if his programs are not getting support by the people the congress will not pass them. Congressional approval is still in the toilet so they are going to go with what the people are saying not what the president wants. They know who puts them in office.
Dukhat Member	Mon Jul 20 15:52:32 The blue-dogs can see the writing on the wall. This healtcare bill will kill at least half of the blue-dogs in their current form, especially the surcharge on incomes of 1 million dollars or more. That may seem like a lot but there are many, many farms that generate that kind of income in a year. Rural areas will oppose the tax being proposed as well as the massive increase in entitlement spending by super-majorities.
Dukhat Member	Mon Jul 20 15:53:21 ... blue-dogs if the bill is passed in its current form. The tax surcharge on incomes of 1 million dollars or more is especially deadly.*
Canadian Member	Mon Jul 20 16:51:56 "http://blo...ist_which_presidential_po.html" - You cite a blog that uses the flawed study as its evidence. I really should give up trying to reason with you, it just doesn't work.
Dukhat Member	Mon Jul 20 17:05:58 LoL, whatever dumbshit. Go ahead for the ad hominem bullshit. As a statistician I could shoot down any dumbass argument you made anyways. CBS/NYtimes was wildly inaccurate the whole election cycle giving the greatest support to obama by far given him almost 60% up till the day of the election and showing a 40/20 Dem/R split in some polls. They are also the poll commonly cited by liberal bloggers claiming that republican registration is down to barely 20%.
Hot Rod Member	Mon Jul 20 17:42:36 Canadian - - You cite a blog that uses the flawed study as its evidence. He posted the same data I did on his was from a Blog. Did you even read it. Bloggers can be accurate too you know. "The Fordham analysis ranks 23 survey research organizations on their final, national pre-election polls, as reported on pollster.com." Here is my source again: http://www...%20presidential%20election.pdf Poll Accuracy in the 2008 Presidential Election â??Initial Report, November 5, 2008â?? Costas Panagopoulos, Ph.D. Department of Political Science Fordham University For inquiries: cpanagopoulo@fordham.edu or (917) 405-9069 If you think it is flawed you should, as I suggested, take it up with Fordham University.
purvis Member	Mon Jul 20 18:00:38 Hot rod, why are you so thoroughly endorsing a source that totally contradicts your argument and says that generally pretty good? Is is because you are mentally handicapped?
purvis Member	Mon Jul 20 18:01:24 Hot rod, why are you so thoroughly endorsing a source that totally contradicts your argument and says that Obama is generally doing pretty good? Is is because you are mentally handicapped?
Dukhat Member	Tue Jul 21 12:11:38 It was innaccurate the whole election. CBS/NYtimes always had Obama at near 60% of the electorate for the month before the election and their crosstabs were always way off with democrats outnumber republicans 2 to 1 something which is unbelievable not only by any traditional turnout but also on election day when actual numbers were around 38 dem/32 republican which is more or less what it has been traditionally. Despite what the study says the fucking CBS/NYtimes poll is a joke by any objective measure.
Canadian Member	Tue Jul 21 12:17:49 "LoL, whatever dumbshit. Go ahead for the ad hominem bullshit. As a statistician I could shoot down any dumbass argument you made anyways." - Dukhat, please define irony for me, and apply it to your above statement. "Here is my source again: http://www...%20presidential%20election.pdf If you think it is flawed you should, as I suggested, take it up with Fordham University." - Or you could stop using it.
Dukhat Member	Tue Jul 21 12:26:37 Who gives a fuck. Look at the specific numbers dumbfuck. Ramussen was not only consistently right the entire month before about the eventual D/R crosstabs and turnout around 38/33 unlike the ridiculous 40/20 predicted by CBS/NYtimes for the ENTIRE MONTH before the election, he also got the results almost exactly right. DUMBSHIT. Learn to think for yourself.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Jul 21 13:40:56 Canadian, that is a page full of links. Which one are you talking about? Or are we supposed to read them all and come up with the same crap you did?
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