Utopia Talk / Politics / Seb: How Gibbering Numbskulls Ruled US

Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 11:27:46 Seb, we've discussed how ignorants managed to place ignorance as a higher virtue than intelligence in the Garyd's, Dukhats and Hot Toads of the US, you blamed it on subgroups on the internet perpetuating lies in the vacuums of extremist websites, I blamed the unequal education system in the US where one half are afforded some of the highest education systems, and the other half are almost at Afganistan levels. Thought this might interest you: How these gibbering numbskulls came to dominate Washington The degradation of intelligence and learning in American politics results from a series of interlocking tragedies How was it allowed to happen? How did politics in the US come to be dominated by people who make a virtue out of ignorance? Was it charity that has permitted mankind's closest living relative to spend two terms as president? How did Sarah Palin, Dan Quayle and other such gibbering numbskulls get to where they are? How could Republican rallies in 2008 be drowned out by screaming ignoramuses insisting that Barack Obama was a Muslim and a terrorist? Like most people on my side of the Atlantic, I have for many years been mystified by American politics. The US has the world's best universities and attracts the world's finest minds. It dominates discoveries in science and medicine. Its wealth and power depend on the application of knowledge. Yet, uniquely among the developed nations (with the possible exception of Australia), learning is a grave political disadvantage. There have been exceptions over the past century - Franklin Roosevelt, JF Kennedy and Bill Clinton tempered their intellectualism with the common touch and survived - but Adlai Stevenson, Al Gore and John Kerry were successfully tarred by their opponents as members of a cerebral elite (as if this were not a qualification for the presidency). Perhaps the defining moment in the collapse of intelligent politics was Ronald Reagan's response to Jimmy Carter during the 1980 presidential debate. Carter - stumbling a little, using long words - carefully enumerated the benefits of national health insurance. Reagan smiled and said: "There you go again." His own health programme would have appalled most Americans, had he explained it as carefully as Carter had done, but he had found a formula for avoiding tough political issues and making his opponents look like wonks. It wasn't always like this. The founding fathers of the republic - Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton and others - were among the greatest thinkers of their age. They felt no need to make a secret of it. How did the project they launched degenerate into George W Bush and Sarah Palin? On one level, this is easy to answer. Ignorant politicians are elected by ignorant people. US education, like the US health system, is notorious for its failures. In the most powerful nation on earth, one adult in five believes the sun revolves round the earth; only 26% accept that evolution takes place by means of natural selection; two-thirds of young adults are unable to find Iraq on a map; two-thirds of US voters cannot name the three branches of government; the maths skills of 15-year-olds in the US are ranked 24th out of the 29 countries of the OECD. But this merely extends the mystery: how did so many US citizens become so stupid, and so suspicious of intelligence? Susan Jacoby's book The Age of American Unreason provides the fullest explanation I have read so far. She shows that the degradation of US politics results from a series of interlocking tragedies. One theme is both familiar and clear: religion - in particular fundamentalist religion - makes you stupid. The US is the only rich country in which Christian fundamentalism is vast and growing. Jacoby shows that there was once a certain logic to its anti-rationalism. During the first few decades after the publication of The Origin of Species, for instance, Americans had good reason to reject the theory of natural selection and to treat public intellectuals with suspicion. From the beginning, Darwin's theory was mixed up in the US with the brutal philosophy - now known as social Darwinism - of the British writer Herbert Spencer. Spencer's doctrine, promoted in the popular press with the help of funding from Andrew Carnegie, John D Rockefeller and Thomas Edison, suggested that millionaires stood at the top of a scala natura established by evolution. By preventing unfit people being weeded out, government intervention weakened the nation. Gross economic inequalities were both justifiable and necessary. Darwinism, in other words, became indistinguishable from the most bestial form of laissez-faire economics. Many Christians responded with revulsion. It is profoundly ironic that the doctrine rejected a century ago by such prominent fundamentalists as William Jennings Bryan is now central to the economic thinking of the Christian right. Modern fundamentalists reject the science of Darwinian evolution and accept the pseudoscience of social Darwinism. But there were other, more powerful, reasons for the intellectual isolation of the fundamentalists. The US is peculiar in devolving the control of education to local authorities. Teaching in the southern states was dominated by the views of an ignorant aristocracy of planters, and a great educational gulf opened up. "In the south", Jacoby writes, "what can only be described as an intellectual blockade was imposed in order to keep out any ideas that might threaten the social order." The Southern Baptist Convention, now the biggest Protestant denomination in the US, was to slavery and segregation what the Dutch Reformed Church was to apartheid in South Africa. It has done more than any other force to keep the south stupid. In the 1960s it tried to stave off desegregation by establishing a system of private Christian schools and universities. A student can now progress from kindergarten to a higher degree without any exposure to secular teaching. Southern Baptist beliefs pass intact through the public school system as well. A survey by researchers at the University of Texas in 1998 found that one in four of the state's state school biology teachers believed humans and dinosaurs lived on earth at the same time. This tragedy has been assisted by the American fetishisation of self-education. Though he greatly regretted his lack of formal teaching, Abraham Lincoln's career is repeatedly cited as evidence that good education, provided by the state, is unnecessary: all that is required to succeed is determination and rugged individualism. This might have served people well when genuine self-education movements, like the one built around the Little Blue Books in the first half of the 20th century, were in vogue. In the age of infotainment, it is a recipe for confusion. Besides fundamentalist religion, perhaps the most potent reason intellectuals struggle in elections is that intellectualism has been equated with subversion. The brief flirtation of some thinkers with communism a long time ago has been used to create an impression in the public mind that all intellectuals are communists. Almost every day men such as Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly rage against the "liberal elites" destroying America. The spectre of pointy-headed alien subversives was crucial to the election of Reagan and Bush. A genuine intellectual elite - like the neocons (some of them former communists) surrounding Bush - has managed to pitch the political conflict as a battle between ordinary Americans and an over-educated pinko establishment. Any attempt to challenge the ideas of the rightwing elite has been successfully branded as elitism. Obama has a lot to offer the US, but none of this will stop if he wins. Until the great failures of the US education system are reversed or religious fundamentalism withers, there will be political opportunities for people, like Bush and Palin, who flaunt their ignorance. http://www...ion-election-obama-bush-mccain
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 12:27:02 Great article, make sure to top it after the new year shenanigans is over.
river of blood Member	Wed Dec 31 13:22:03 Yes, superb analysis and a badly neglected topic.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 13:37:59 Self determined intellectualism admitting defeat to what they consider ignorance. What kind of meritorious shit is that? The article is a fucking joke of contradiction. The smart guy can't defeat the dumb guy and claiming to be superior. Idiot whiners! LMAO
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 13:43:48 The smart guy just did defeat the dumb guy. But apparently you haven't heard of the far right branding their opponents themselves as the intellectual elite. So the self determined contradiction you tried for is actually absolutely noty contradictory, its the label used by the O Reillys and the Palins and the trolls hiding behind "Doogle". GG The school bullies when I was a kid, who to be fair also ruled their little world through similiar cajoling and smearing, mocked them as "scholars", the smart bookworms who they pushed into puddles.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 13:50:53 For a brief, catastrophic moment in time, they seized short-lived power outside the schoolyard, pushing the public thinkers into puddles and laughing at their books and learning and causing disasters they'll never be forgotten for. Its all the more peculiar, because anywhere else in the modern world, "scholar" and "intellectual elite" are compliments. But the world goes bizzaro when the unintelligentsia take over.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 13:58:13 Hardly, The so called smart guy is polished to appeal with the downtrodden and lazy. I'm waiting for the successful messiah dabbleship of Obama. Funny shit. They've won nothing but a puppet ship. There is nothing but intellectual elite at the top and if you believe differently there isn't much anyone can say.
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 14:00:22 I don't get it, are you saying a good education is a bad thing?
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 14:05:06 doogle/dukhat steps in, sneers at the intellectual elite and marvellously demonstrates every aspect of the article. Beautiful.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 14:05:24 Talk about contradiction, lol
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 14:05:39 I am absolutely not saying that or even came near saying such a thing. An excellent education should easily be able to handle ignorance wouldn't you think. Oh whackers, it does, now what?
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 14:10:35 Intelligence won't impress the unintelligent who think they're educated after going through creationist "schools", and bullying has always been effective. You need to read the artiole again, because instead of arguing it, you keep confirming it lol
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 14:10:47 Not if the audience are idiot themselves. Which is kind of the point of the thread and the article.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 14:11:29 Dont start that again, nimatzo...
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 14:12:17 hehe it was a long time ago our brilliant minds converged =)
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 14:17:29 No, I don't need to read it again. I see an article that is full of crap with a specific agenda of ridiculing an entire nation rather than simply disagreeing/agreeing with its direction. I think you underestimate the overall government in place because you don't agree with the system and not so much its leadership.
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 14:19:26 Exactly what parts of the article are untrue?
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 14:19:36 Of course you do: Its about you and hence you're insulted. Underestimate the government? Look around you at the state it leaves the US in...its not possible to underestimate them.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 14:24:53 I'm not insulted. lol I may even disagree with much of the system myself. You are not near the point I am making. I see both parties of separation working toward the same goal in unison behind the scenes projecting a good/bad cop theater.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 14:28:30 But then you're the one contradicting yourself again: "I think you underestimate the overall government in place because you don't agree with the system and not so much its leadership. " That would be you that disagrees with the system in that case. Me, I'm far more concerned with the leadership.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 14:39:23 No, I'm not contradicting myself. You are reading into what I'm saying to come to such a conclusion. The leadership is not one man if that is what you are thinking. He is only the headstone of leadership. The leadership is doing a balancing act within the divisions trying to satisfy at minimal levels while living high on the hog themselves. All of the leadership and their advisor's included. We are in the midst of world transition not just a Presidential one.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 14:41:10 Sorry dukhat. Eikey, why are you switching between different names? We know that in this system, which is far from perfect, people can generally leave reasonably comfortable. Just look back to the previous presidential period before The Numbskulls took over.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 15:11:24 I have no other names in this place of make believe that many of you seem to have made a home away from reality flaunting your fantasies and rudeness evidently through the application of anonymous aliases when you don't wish to be exposed or ridiculed for sour wit. The next four years will be an interesting experience watching as they unfold with Obama at the helm. You are correct, there is no perfect system. The nearest to perfection is when one learns how to best live in any of them. It appears most have learned how to manipulate their maze decently or at least acceptable for them as individuals. My time is limited because I am still working on my maze. Have a great day.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 15:16:05 You've exposed nothing or nooone so far lol...that would be in your imaginary world.
Dukhat Member	Wed Dec 31 16:08:29 You arr an idiot Master Bates. Go shoot yourself. Other than Seb, I probably have more degrees and years of schooling than anyone here. Intellectualism as it exists is not actually about finding truth. It is about a far-left agenda that wants people to not think for themselves and trust their intellectual "superiors." Of course the ones who call themselves intellectuals are anything but and got to where they are through affirmative action of one sort (your daddy was rich or your skin color was black) and self-selection (smart people go do something productive, intellectuals couldn't stand the heat so went into ivory towers). You can keep sucking Noam Chomsky and Paul Krugman's cock MB. We'll see the shitstorm their kind bring upon free people soon enough.
Dukhat Member	Wed Dec 31 16:11:44 The whole article is effing hilarious. The stupidest voters vote democratic (i.e. all the black people who couldn't name one thing Obama stood for). The dumbass teachers the article mentions? Card-carrying democratic, teacher's union members who care more about keeping their jobs than educating children. The guardian proves itself again as nothing more than a leftist rag that reinforces the elitist, reactionary sentiments of the left. So much for being the party of the more educated.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 31 16:14:02 "We'll see the shitstorm their kind bring upon free people soon enough. " Exactly, they might even upset the perfection that was the last 8 years, brought by your kind.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 16:17:19 rofl@dukhat, the perfect example. How do you explain to someone who thinks he's musical that his voice in fact sounds like a screaming banshee? You can't. I think it was WC fields who said the one thing you can't tell someone who has no sense of humor is that he has no sense of humor.
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 16:20:33 The dumbing down of anything complex, to reach a broader audience is an inevitable symptom of capitalism and it saturates every layer of American culture. I would even call it an American phenomena, a plague. When all aspects of culture suffers from it and when the border between entertainment and news has so easily and rapidly been erased, what is protecting politics from all of this? Nothing.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 16:22:21 Indeed. Fast food politics.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 16:24:45 Its black or white. There are no grey shades. Its all easy to understand. If its complex, its a liberal, intellectually elite hoax. In the real world, its all simple. This is how the stupid speak.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Wed Dec 31 16:32:05 "This tragedy has been assisted by the American fetishisation of self-education. Though he greatly regretted his lack of formal teaching, Abraham Lincoln's career is repeatedly cited as evidence that good education, provided by the state, is unnecessary: all that is required to succeed is determination and rugged individualism." - So in other words, what we need is to throw self-education, individualism, and determination out the window and allow our State overlords to dictate what our minds will retain. There's your fucking agenda in this article, and it's complete horse shit.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 16:36:25 I had no intention of exposing anyone and I've certainly not placed any effort into doing. There you go again twisting and turning what has been expressed. I said that I suppose those who didn't want to be exposed evidently use aliases reasonably assumed from your suggestion that I was doing. The you was referencing whoever would use an alias and not a personal accusation toward anyone specific other than those who would do such a thing. You are exposing yourself as being deficient in comprehension. I am sure you needn't be concerned with my occasional disruption of your haven.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 16:39:09 You chopped off the qualifier, PPs. "This might have served people well when genuine self-education movements, like the one built around the Little " These daus, self education produces people like, what was his name...fockalot and HR with his 7th grade education and hi FOX News. Its strange how the US prefers electing hollywood stars who speak heroic lines written by someone eles and directed by someone else rather than professors.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 16:41:00 Post umder your real name doogle or shut up Thanks..
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Wed Dec 31 16:43:24 So to avoid producing people like fockalot and HR, the remaining option is to allow for our education to be designed and determined by the exact same political dumb fucks that article mentions just paragraphs earlier. Thus, article = epic fail.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 16:45:58 "the remaining option is to allow for our education to be designed and determined by the exact same political dumb fucks that article mentions just paragraphs earlier." No, the education system designed by the exact same political dumbfucks is something the author protests against. The educational system that teaches that dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as man.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 16:46:32 Thus, PPS' reading comprehension=epic fail
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Wed Dec 31 17:12:43 No, you fucking tard. The education system that teaches that was the product of "..devolving the control of education to local authorities." That in addition to what i've already made clear shows that the author suggests we hand over education to the State. And who, but the same dumbasses the article discusses, controls the State? This isn't complicated, dumbass.
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 17:19:25 The author is saying, you are fucked either way. Because the system in place is a self retarding circle of retardation. I am just being blunt.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 17:19:48 No, the education system that he is a proponent for, you pathetic loser, is one of science and knowledge and empirical intelligence, not the religious, creationist disaster that has created conspiracy lunatics like you and Palin. The state isn't always an evil Da Vinci Code massive conspiracy, y'know - not even your current creationist state. Its just dumb and greedy and uneducated.
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 17:26:00 I heard a discussion between Dawkins and this American scientist, in which the american mentions that 90% of american teachers do not have an education in science. 90. The current school system in the USA is the fail. On the one hand you get some of the best scientist in the world, on the other hand you get shit, pure unadulterated shit.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 17:27:15 It is easily understood why you would want me to shut up Masta Bater. Your clout is zilch, insignificant to zero, and powerless to achieve a triumphant victory over imagination due to an absence of genius talent and composure. Doogle is what you see and what you will continue to receive until I tire of your peacock feather spreading gas spewing mouth that wastes valuable oxygen.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Wed Dec 31 17:29:02 Rofl. MB resorts to calling me a CTer. And the hilarity ensues. "No, the education system that he is a proponent for, you pathetic loser, is one of science and knowledge and empirical intelligence" - And this is to be acheived how? 1- "Until the great failures of the US education system are reversed" - in other words - no more "devolving the control of education to local authorities" and in with "good education provided by the state" and out with "determination and rugged individualism and "self-education"". or 2 - religious fundamentalism withers (not going to happen)
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Wed Dec 31 17:31:43 "I heard a discussion between Dawkins and this American scientist, in which the american mentions that 90% of american teachers do not have an education in science." - Indeed (though perhaps it's not that high). For over two years I worked as an educator for an institute created in order to give K-12 teachers the education in earth and environmental science that they never received. Some of these people seriously didn't know anything about the water cycle or basic photosynthesis.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Wed Dec 31 17:33:35 "I heard a discussion between Dawkins and this American scientist, in which the american mentions that 90% of american teachers do not have an education in science." - Indeed (though perhaps it's not that high). For over two years I worked as an educator for an institute created in order to give K-12 teachers the education in earth and environmental science that they never received. Some of these people seriously didn't know anything about the water cycle or basic photosynthesis.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 17:39:17 Shut up doogle, theres a good little cowering troll. Until you dare to post under your real name, your mental midgetery and intellectual infantility is laughed at, then ignored. PPS, I doesn't resort to calling you what you are, one calls you what you are. ""No, the education system that he is a proponent for, you pathetic loser, is one of science and knowledge and empirical intelligence" - And this is to be acheived how?" Huh? By voting for people who believe in systems of science and knowledge and empirical intelligence? You can't envisage a reality where school systems are guided by science and knowledge and empirical intelligence? You need to step outside the US and see whats going on in the rest of the developed world. The US has fallen sadly behind in important areas, but you don't see this - and there is the "conspiracy" that you are blind to, busy chasing for Hollywood style conspircaies as you are.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 17:39:57 I doesn't = I don't
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 17:47:39 I was about to say that it has already been achieved else where. And it is done through the supervision of a central organization that controls, audits and regulates schools across the country. So all students are taught the same thing.
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 17:58:56 In Sweden we have "Skolverket" which gives out a kind of national curriculum of sorts. Schools MUST teach kids certain things, certain amount of time has to be put on for example math, civics, biology etc. etc. Anyway, I have a certain level of understanding for Americans who wants the government to stay out of everything in their life, why? Because compared to most European governments yours is downright evil and stupid. We don't love our politicians, but then we look at the circus you call an election and then look at our politicians and say "thank the heavens". Just the amount of pure hatred involved in your elections is alien to most of us on this side of the pond...
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 31 18:08:04 Skolverket. Another good name for my possible offspring.
PhunkyPhishStyle Member	Wed Dec 31 18:09:40 "PPS, I doesn't resort to calling you what you are, one calls you what you are." - When have I ever been amongst the likes of Kreel and the CT nutters? Believing the State sucks fucking asshole at being in charge of education (and many, many other things) isn't being a conspiracy theorist. It's opening one's fucking eyes. "You can't envisage a reality where school systems are guided by science and knowledge and empirical intelligence?" - Of course I can! I've been educated in Private schools and universities, studying in curriculums designed and implemented by Doctors and field specialists. You don't 'elect' this kind of stuff into existence.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 18:15:40 Lol@CR. PPS, I already understand that private education in the US offers far greater education, and so does the author of this article. Its one of the things, as he says, that mystifies the rest of the developed world. Its one of the reasons your education system is in such a mess. The education in the US offers the best to those who can afford it, and the worst, almost afgani levels to those who cant. Those who cant, are the anti-intellectual voters, voting for dangerously ignorant people who believe dinosaurs walked with man, and all you have to do to make the world as you want it is to kill people. The US must provide equal, modern, scientific education or its going to continue to be divided into an educated populace and a backwards redneck populace who both hate each other.
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 18:26:29 Of course skolverket is not run by politicians, but by teachers, professors etc. etc. Skolverket falls under the Department of education but it is completely autonomous as are all government institutes, they can just be given general directives from their departments, they are not micromanaged. This is the reason why for me and MB your hatred for government seems alien. Our governments are not that powerful, we don't even talk about checks and balances here PPS, there is no need for that when all departments all records all state institutes are working completely independent from each other AND the government. You have a very strong government and a very powerful head of state, we have a very weak government when looking at it piece by piece but it is a rather large government, large in the sense that it covers a lot of ground. It is impossible to fear it, because it is built in a way to make big changes impossible without consensus. We have 7 parties in our parliament, and even though they tend to group in 2 blocks each have managed to create their own niche specially on the right wing side. These 7 parties manage to put enough sticks in the wheels of any big ambitious idiocy that it can never happen.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 19:16:16 Bater, you are a nut buster of generic alternate and your mouth continuously shits when it isn't full of your own dick. A real tough bird not stretch necker. I bet someone kicked your ass between your ears when you stepped out of line and you noticed your penis for the first time lounging near and you decided to maintain the head position. Poor frightened little feathered fowl. Too funny!
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 19:21:43 Gutless troll hiding behind a fake name. Laughed at and ignored, even more so for his clumsy, faggish attempts at prose rofl
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 20:08:18 You are the gutless one boy who has a penetrating foul oder. I am not hiding behind anything that you aren't yourself you dip. I have no other name here do you? Your bate is between your legs and your dick believes it has a brain. Additionally, you are an ass who pouts outwardly from his inward confusion. You posing uppity piece of dung. You lack creativity in your fantasy bubble and you'd make a good mouse toy for a cat. Laugh all you want you insignificant little maggot. It really cracks my life into pieces that you respond by ignoring you pecker puffer of weak overture. Oooooh... LOL
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 20:35:23 yeah right, mr 20 posts, looks like we've hooked a real big catch this time rofl. Now fuck off bukkake-boy until you've wiped your mouth. The dried cum in the corners is making people around here sick, fag.
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 20:38:55 This thread really turned ugly fast, who would have thought?
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 31 20:40:23 "This thread really turned ugly fast, who would have thought? " I did. owned
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 20:41:04 Its true.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 31 20:42:28 Funny that Seb never showed up, eh?
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 20:44:11 And doodle the semen slurper did, you mean? Hmmm.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 31 20:45:09 I blame Seb for the ugliness of this thread. And Carter, of course.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 20:50:11 Well, you have to realize that walk with dinosaur cum curdlers are gonna get pissy and stamp their little fag feet when publically humiliated. Who would have thought that seb was such a caressor of cock though?
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 21:17:38 You master bater try to be cool, but you really are a loose lipped degenerate that can't stand the heat. I don't have an insatiable need to impress like you do and will be gone soon. You continue to claim you ignore me but you respond to every one of my posts. It is a fine example of your absence of a synchronous mind and mouth. Keep suggesting that you are ignoring me as you attempt to defend your unstable inferiority complex you piss ant.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 31 21:18:51 Why not just post under the original nick?
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 21:22:14 He's swallowed that hook like it was a half price xmas special cock bonanza rofl. I bet I could yank his faglet tonsils out from here.
Nimatzo Member	Wed Dec 31 21:25:59 I think doogle might blow up soon. He sounds really angry. *takes cover*
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 21:42:57 Where did the little fag go? I've got a fist full of dollars and its titty squeezing time
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 21:45:03 Why the insistence that I am a posing regular? I've lurked little and posted considerably less. I'm beginning to get the idea that this place doesn't allow new entries. Angry is hilarious and the bater is still ignoring me with his weak overture that he so badly wishes to be of a genius caliber. Damn funny shit.
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 21:49:25 What have we said about speaking with your mouth full, bukkake boy? Its the teeth you see.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 22:03:27 You have no teeth you infantile ball of parasitic mass. You don't even have a clue to what ignore means. LOL
Master Bates Member	Wed Dec 31 22:06:37 Poison: Gurgle. Swallow. Rinse. Repeat.
Doogle Member	Wed Dec 31 22:42:23 You are a repetitive dunce. The nick is Doogle and I am out of here for now so you can claim a fantasy of victory without having to deal with opposition. You really should stop peeing in your pool boy. Have a Happy Blundering New Year and be especially alert to something that could poke you in the face. I think the opening to that home you live could easily be a receipt serving the retarded.
Master Bates Member	Thu Jan 01 09:02:36 back on topic
Master Bates Member	Thu Jan 01 09:10:21 ...sometimes called intellectuals? They're not intellectual, they don't use rational intelligence, they're not wise and learned men of letters - theyre ideologists. Its clear from their results that they're not intelligent. They may do whatever they do sheltered behind an office desk, making sure they never come within thousands of miles of the battlefield, but sitting behind an office desk certainly doesn't equate to wisdom and deep insight. At the most they could be called intellectualizers who rationalize their private ideology.
Master Bates Member	Thu Jan 01 09:11:04 Whoops. * Why are neo-con Trotskyists ...sometimes called neo-con intellectuals?
Master Bates Member	Thu Jan 01 09:25:39 "the real or “true” intellectual is therefore always an outsider, living in self-imposed exile and on the margins of society" - Edward Said.
licker Sports Mod	Thu Jan 01 11:07:10 Interesting if somewhat over the top article. It fails when it seems to fail to realize that Obama actually won, and that neither Kerry nor Gore are actual intellectuals (other than that they stupidly allowed the right to paint them that way). It is entirely true that people from the south are complete fucking morons though, and the religious base have more political power than is healthy. Fixing education in this country is a much different task than simply applying some euro pogrom though, and clearly, if weve learned nothing else its that the federal government should keep its fucking hands off until it can actually fix itself. Also if dongle is a troll hes doing a good job at using some different language than we usually see.
Cloud Strife Member	Thu Jan 01 13:42:31 Fukhat the fake actuary law student - Other than Seb, I probably have more degrees and years of schooling than anyone here. There's more educated people here than you claim. I can think of at least a half dozen people that are highly educated in relevant scientific fields. The article is pretty much right. There are a lot of dumbasses, but we kind of need them to keep the world awesome for us awesome people. I mean, you can't have a bartender without having a dude working his way through college, you can't have construction without construction workers, and you can't have food without Mexicans. So there you go, we need poor stupid people to do our menial tasks.
Cloud Strife Member	Thu Jan 01 13:46:10 What are you gonna do keep them from voting? I mean the Democrats already have the better `If you are not filthy rich then you will improve under us' platform, but these people don't care. They'd rather be scammed by Peter Popoff and claim vast economic knowledge that levying a tax on a rich man causes economies to collapse. If this is what they want, then let em have it. We will still be awesome!
Master Bates Member	Thu Jan 01 14:02:00 But you dont need the bartender and the construction worker to be stupid enough to believe in 6000 year old dinosaur fossils and that God tells us we can kill whoever we want to keep us in wide screen tv's and cheap gas.
Master Bates Member	Thu Jan 01 14:02:58 Because when you let them get that stupid, you let them vote into power people who bring US power, influence and economy crashing to its knees.
Master Bates Member	Thu Jan 01 14:06:14 To quote Mr F. Zappa: Stupidity has a certain charm -- ignorance does not.
Steel Member	Fri Jan 02 05:34:26 MB We live in a democracy, not an aristocracy of the intelligent. So we would expect our elected to represent the common spectrum of the populance, which includes a lot of stupid people with stupid oppinions. If we don't like stupid people to have their fair share of power, I think we must applaud the american political system, for it's ability to stay extreamly elitish and completely resistent to the troubles of the (many) stupids. Compare with my country's political system, here we have a cleaning lady, leading a political party who's representatives in parliament has an educational level below the national average. Further more that party yields decissive political influence since they provide the minority goverment with it's parliamentary majority. People like me and my friends who are young, have kids and have nice educations are likely to hate that party since they exactly represent the opposite of what we want. But not all people are young and have good educations, some people has a reason to worry about what f.ex. globalisation means to their factory job. Like Denmark's first cleaning lady, Reagan didn't have much education, but both of them had/have superior intelligence in the area of communication and sensing the mood of the greater public.
Dukhat Member	Fri Jan 02 05:46:04 CS the vegan virgin and the liberaltards on this board hate me. How hilarious. Obama's so-called intellectualism is as shallow as his speeches. He has no actual fluency in the mathematical arts and as such will always err on the side of the left on issues throughout his presidency; with disastrous results. Fuck intellectuals. Give America a solid midwesterner like Eisenhower or Reagan and you will get peace, prosperity, and strength. Give America an intellectual and you get an absolute disaster like Woodrow Wilson.
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