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murder
Member Wed May 07 06:07:10
They lost ANOTHER F/A-18 Super Hornet. Apparently the arresting cable snapped and the jet wasn't able to get airborne again and crashed into the sea.

murder
Member Wed May 07 06:17:03
For those not keeping track at home, in the past few months this carrier has ...

> lost one F/A-18F to friendly fire

> crashed into a merchant ship ... the Captain was fired

> lost one F/A-18E overboard while taking evasive actions to dodge a Houthi missile or drone

> lost this F/A-18E due to a landing accident

That's 3 lost F/A-18E/Fs and one drunk driving incident on one deployment. That's got to be a record.

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Average Ameriacn
Member Wed May 07 06:32:21
HOUTHIS CAPITULATED!

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Wed May 07 06:57:37
This what you get for lowering admission standards.

TheChildren
Member Wed May 07 10:02:05
rofl u realize these r combat losses.

which r made 2 seem like accidents so as 2 not lose face

one doesnt lose this much equipment from "accidents" u fuckin idiots

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed May 07 19:04:08
not enough DEI

Paramount
Member Thu May 08 00:18:50
Trump fired all trannies from the navy and now all this happened. A coincidence? Or is the US navy dependent on trannies?

patom
Member Thu May 08 04:16:31
Don't see any reason for it to change, but Aircraft Carrier duty is inherently dangerous. It was that way when I was in the navy 60 years ago. Cables have been snapping, planes have fallen off flight decks, planes have lost power on takeoff or caught 'dead catapults.
Every time a ship went on a Med cruise they expected to lose at least 2 or 3 men.

jergul
large member Thu May 08 05:45:50
Doge will definitely makes this better. Think of all the savings each aircraft lost represents. They are expensive to operate.

jergul
large member Thu May 08 05:56:55
On a more serious note, the Navy lack an appropriate recruitment pool. The US has almost no commercial fishing vessels and merchant ships taking on seasonal youngsters, so very few (if any) 10-18 year olds learning seamanship organically. Turns out, sometimes a degree in business administration just does not teach young aspiring white men the appropriate skills.

TheChildren
Member Thu May 08 06:42:24
so wut da final score?

houthis 2
murica 0

?

Average Ameriacn
Member Thu May 08 08:03:23
HOUTHIS CAPITULATED!

murder
Member Thu May 08 08:57:43

"On a more serious note, the Navy lack an appropriate recruitment pool. The US has almost no commercial fishing vessels and merchant ships taking on seasonal youngsters, so very few (if any) 10-18 year olds learning seamanship organically. Turns out, sometimes a degree in business administration just does not teach young aspiring white men the appropriate skills."

Did you learn a lot about launching and recovering jets at sea?

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murder
Member Thu May 08 09:01:52

btw this last jet was an F/A-18F not an F/A-18E.

patom
Member Thu May 08 09:49:57
jurgul, there are very few jobs related to air operations on a modern Aircraft Carrier, that relate to seamanship. I followed in my brothers footsteps (not very bright of me) and quit school as soon as I turned 17 and joined the Navy. We both worked in the Airwing. We had work experience as we both had part time jobs while attending school. Neither one of us had ever been on a fishing boat. To my knowledge I don't believe it hindered us working on aircraft. He made a career of the Navy serving for 23 years and made many Medcruises, Nato cruises and Nato cruises.
Aircraft Carriers are small cities with around 5,000 people on board between Crew and Squadron personnel. Many different jobs and specialized skills involved.
As in all things mechanical, the more moving parts the higher the likelihood that things will break or just plain malfunction.

jergul
large member Thu May 08 16:33:22
Murder
Do I know a lot about securely moving a 13 metric ton deck load while a ship is underway? Why yes, I do! Winches should have been involved. Not to haul, but to make sure the tractor and aircraft could not drift at all, let alone off the ship.

Patom
The incidents I refer to involve common seamanship tasks. I am acutely aware of people that need no seamanship at all (*cough* machinists, *cough*) and accept that there would be many more roles like that on a cruise liner such as a Carrier.

Paramount
Member Fri May 09 06:39:37
Trump fired all the trannies from the navy not long ago. That may explain why all of this is happening now.

patom
Member Fri May 09 07:49:55
jergul, how many Aircraft carriers have you seen with cranes? The idea on these carriers is quick movement of the planes from flight deck to launch or to hangar deck for maintenance. They have elevators. and vehicles to tow them when necessary. These tasks are all being done at the same time, with multiple aircraft and missions. Not to mention the different munitions that are reloaded on the planes. All done 24/7 at 30+knots. With noise levels that would totally distract just about anyone.
My brother in his time at sea on carriers witnessed a sailor back into the propellers of a plane warming up. He also was crew on a plane that caught a Dead catapult, even got a medal for getting the pilot out of the plane.
Your comparisons to fishing operations is kind of strange. Even though I know of the dangers in what you used to do. Just in the last couple of months here in Maine we've had a scallop dragger go down with father and son. Also another crewman on a dragger killed by a snapped cable. The father and son should have stayed in the harbor in Eastport. Instead they decided to try and make it through some wicked bad weather.

jergul
large member Fri May 09 08:10:13
Patom
Winches are not the same as cranes. Though, I get your point. Things are not worse now, they are just more transparent. Snapped cables are wicked, I have a nice scar running from temple to jawline below ear from one of those :).

murder
Member Fri May 09 09:31:44

"Do I know a lot about securely moving a 13 metric ton deck load while a ship is underway? Why yes, I do!"

You hauled whales around a ship while underway?

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jergul
large member Fri May 09 11:17:48
Murder
Amusingly, an F-18 and a full haul including doors and gear weigh about the same.

murder
Member Fri May 09 12:06:00

"... and a full haul including doors and gear weigh about the same."

I'm sure I'm missing something obvious but ... wtf are you talking about?

patom
Member Fri May 09 13:00:04
If you haul a whale across a deck it's not on wheels and the center of gravity is one hell of a lot lower than an aircraft on wheels.

jergul, when I was a kid stationed at NAS Norfolk we used to watch a lot of films of accidents on flight decks. One I'll never forget was a landing cable snapping and killing over 20 sailors in one swipe. Flight deck duty is the most dangerous and they all get hazardous duty pay. People have been sucked into intakes or chopped up like confetti by propellers.

jergul
large member Fri May 09 14:02:47
Murder
Trawling. Bottome trawling has all kinds of heavy attachments to keep the trawl, well at the bottom. I did not include the towing wire in the weight as that is all nicely tucked away when the doors and gear are on deck.

jergul
large member Fri May 09 14:04:51
Patom
I am sure it is the most dangerous of jobs on a carrier.

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murder Member	Wed May 07 06:07:10 They lost ANOTHER F/A-18 Super Hornet. Apparently the arresting cable snapped and the jet wasn't able to get airborne again and crashed into the sea.
murder Member	Wed May 07 06:17:03 For those not keeping track at home, in the past few months this carrier has ... > lost one F/A-18F to friendly fire > crashed into a merchant ship ... the Captain was fired > lost one F/A-18E overboard while taking evasive actions to dodge a Houthi missile or drone > lost this F/A-18E due to a landing accident That's 3 lost F/A-18E/Fs and one drunk driving incident on one deployment. That's got to be a record. -
Average Ameriacn Member	Wed May 07 06:32:21 HOUTHIS CAPITULATED!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed May 07 06:57:37 This what you get for lowering admission standards.
TheChildren Member	Wed May 07 10:02:05 rofl u realize these r combat losses. which r made 2 seem like accidents so as 2 not lose face one doesnt lose this much equipment from "accidents" u fuckin idiots
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 07 19:04:08 not enough DEI
Paramount Member	Thu May 08 00:18:50 Trump fired all trannies from the navy and now all this happened. A coincidence? Or is the US navy dependent on trannies?
patom Member	Thu May 08 04:16:31 Don't see any reason for it to change, but Aircraft Carrier duty is inherently dangerous. It was that way when I was in the navy 60 years ago. Cables have been snapping, planes have fallen off flight decks, planes have lost power on takeoff or caught 'dead catapults. Every time a ship went on a Med cruise they expected to lose at least 2 or 3 men.
jergul large member	Thu May 08 05:45:50 Doge will definitely makes this better. Think of all the savings each aircraft lost represents. They are expensive to operate.
jergul large member	Thu May 08 05:56:55 On a more serious note, the Navy lack an appropriate recruitment pool. The US has almost no commercial fishing vessels and merchant ships taking on seasonal youngsters, so very few (if any) 10-18 year olds learning seamanship organically. Turns out, sometimes a degree in business administration just does not teach young aspiring white men the appropriate skills.
TheChildren Member	Thu May 08 06:42:24 so wut da final score? houthis 2 murica 0 ?
Average Ameriacn Member	Thu May 08 08:03:23 HOUTHIS CAPITULATED!
murder Member	Thu May 08 08:57:43 "On a more serious note, the Navy lack an appropriate recruitment pool. The US has almost no commercial fishing vessels and merchant ships taking on seasonal youngsters, so very few (if any) 10-18 year olds learning seamanship organically. Turns out, sometimes a degree in business administration just does not teach young aspiring white men the appropriate skills." Did you learn a lot about launching and recovering jets at sea? -
murder Member	Thu May 08 09:01:52 btw this last jet was an F/A-18F not an F/A-18E.
patom Member	Thu May 08 09:49:57 jurgul, there are very few jobs related to air operations on a modern Aircraft Carrier, that relate to seamanship. I followed in my brothers footsteps (not very bright of me) and quit school as soon as I turned 17 and joined the Navy. We both worked in the Airwing. We had work experience as we both had part time jobs while attending school. Neither one of us had ever been on a fishing boat. To my knowledge I don't believe it hindered us working on aircraft. He made a career of the Navy serving for 23 years and made many Medcruises, Nato cruises and Nato cruises. Aircraft Carriers are small cities with around 5,000 people on board between Crew and Squadron personnel. Many different jobs and specialized skills involved. As in all things mechanical, the more moving parts the higher the likelihood that things will break or just plain malfunction.
jergul large member	Thu May 08 16:33:22 Murder Do I know a lot about securely moving a 13 metric ton deck load while a ship is underway? Why yes, I do! Winches should have been involved. Not to haul, but to make sure the tractor and aircraft could not drift at all, let alone off the ship. Patom The incidents I refer to involve common seamanship tasks. I am acutely aware of people that need no seamanship at all (cough machinists, cough) and accept that there would be many more roles like that on a cruise liner such as a Carrier.
Paramount Member	Fri May 09 06:39:37 Trump fired all the trannies from the navy not long ago. That may explain why all of this is happening now.
patom Member	Fri May 09 07:49:55 jergul, how many Aircraft carriers have you seen with cranes? The idea on these carriers is quick movement of the planes from flight deck to launch or to hangar deck for maintenance. They have elevators. and vehicles to tow them when necessary. These tasks are all being done at the same time, with multiple aircraft and missions. Not to mention the different munitions that are reloaded on the planes. All done 24/7 at 30+knots. With noise levels that would totally distract just about anyone. My brother in his time at sea on carriers witnessed a sailor back into the propellers of a plane warming up. He also was crew on a plane that caught a Dead catapult, even got a medal for getting the pilot out of the plane. Your comparisons to fishing operations is kind of strange. Even though I know of the dangers in what you used to do. Just in the last couple of months here in Maine we've had a scallop dragger go down with father and son. Also another crewman on a dragger killed by a snapped cable. The father and son should have stayed in the harbor in Eastport. Instead they decided to try and make it through some wicked bad weather.
jergul large member	Fri May 09 08:10:13 Patom Winches are not the same as cranes. Though, I get your point. Things are not worse now, they are just more transparent. Snapped cables are wicked, I have a nice scar running from temple to jawline below ear from one of those :).
murder Member	Fri May 09 09:31:44 "Do I know a lot about securely moving a 13 metric ton deck load while a ship is underway? Why yes, I do!" You hauled whales around a ship while underway? -
jergul large member	Fri May 09 11:17:48 Murder Amusingly, an F-18 and a full haul including doors and gear weigh about the same.
murder Member	Fri May 09 12:06:00 "... and a full haul including doors and gear weigh about the same." I'm sure I'm missing something obvious but ... wtf are you talking about?
patom Member	Fri May 09 13:00:04 If you haul a whale across a deck it's not on wheels and the center of gravity is one hell of a lot lower than an aircraft on wheels. jergul, when I was a kid stationed at NAS Norfolk we used to watch a lot of films of accidents on flight decks. One I'll never forget was a landing cable snapping and killing over 20 sailors in one swipe. Flight deck duty is the most dangerous and they all get hazardous duty pay. People have been sucked into intakes or chopped up like confetti by propellers.
jergul large member	Fri May 09 14:02:47 Murder Trawling. Bottome trawling has all kinds of heavy attachments to keep the trawl, well at the bottom. I did not include the towing wire in the weight as that is all nicely tucked away when the doors and gear are on deck.
jergul large member	Fri May 09 14:04:51 Patom I am sure it is the most dangerous of jobs on a carrier.
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