Utopia Talk / Politics / shit going down in syria

swordtail rank	Tue Sep 18 02:20:38 2018 Sarah Abed‏ @sarahabed84 · 38m38 minutes ago  More Just hours after Russia & Turkey agreed on partial demilitarization of #Idlib, Israel attacked #Lattakia, a Russian plane disappeared from radar carrying 14 service members, and Russian airspace control systems registered missile launches from a French frigate in the Med sea.
Rugian rank	Tue Sep 18 02:29:10 2018 Carla Babb Replying to @IntelCrab Pentagon spokesman Navy Cmdr. Sean Robertson tells VOA on Syrian claims of engaging missile targets over #Latakia "I can unequivocally say this is not us." #BREAKING @VOANews 1:34 PM - 17 Sep 2018 http://twitter.com/CarlaBabbVOA/status/1041787459665899520
Aeros rank	Tue Sep 18 02:47:54 2018 Oy vey
Rugian rank	Tue Sep 18 02:51:17 2018 More like Allahu Akbar "Syrian regime accidentally shoots down Russian military plane" http://www...-down-russian-plane/index.html
Turtle Crawler rank	Tue Sep 18 03:21:56 2018 That makes Israel responsible for the Russian deaths.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Sep 18 04:03:01 2018 "The aircraft was shot down by an anti-aircraft system the Russians sold to the Syrians several years ago, the official said. " Lol oops. In terms of accidently shooting down planes, russia certainly deserves some karma.
Allahuakbar rank	Tue Sep 18 12:26:09 2018 Can't trust the sneaky Jews, never, when will you ever learn? http://tass.com/defense/1022031 "By using the Russian plane as cover the Israeli air pilots made it vulnerable to Syrian air defense fire. As a result, the Ilyushin-20, its reflective surface being far greater than that of the F-16, was downed by a missile launched with the S-200 system," Konashenkov said.
Paramount rank	Tue Sep 18 12:56:00 2018 Israel needs to be destroyed.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 16:28:39 2018 Outcome Israel will curtail operations and improve information sharing with Russia Russia will continue to upgrade Syrian air defences Everything that goes wrong simply underlines the Syrian regime's argument that training and equipping its air defense forces must continue.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Sep 18 16:28:41 2018 From a nation that cant tell what a 777 is, its asking a lot that they understand where the f16s were. But lol if true.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Sep 18 16:29:32 2018 "Russia will continue to upgrade Syrian air defences " Lol because that has worked out so well for you.
McKobb rank	Tue Sep 18 16:29:50 2018 Wait, so a Russian sold SAM launched by Syrians shot down Russians and its Israelis fault? Lol.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 16:34:53 2018 Not that facts matter, but the regime is still around and everyone is hysterical about it about to close idlib. So, yah. Its worked pretty well for them. Old system Mckobb. The S200 should be traded up with the s300MPU2. The downing is just another reason for why Russia should do that.
Forwyn rank	Tue Sep 18 16:50:58 2018 "From a nation that cant tell what a 777 is, its asking a lot that they understand where the f16s were." We're not in much of a place to criticize, since we can't differentiate an A300 and an F-14. "its Israelis fault?" Yes, Israel should be held accountable for unauthorized strikes within Syria, especially if they choose to use slow reconnaissance aircraft as cover and only choose to notify Russian ATCs a minute before the attack.
Aeros rank	Tue Sep 18 16:51:12 2018 Jerguls magic Russian missiles everybody. Can't even hit and f-16, but can definitely hit their own planes!
McKobb rank	Tue Sep 18 16:55:13 2018 http://youtu.be/wtokV3I5-m4 Maybe Syria can use some of these stunners!
McKobb rank	Tue Sep 18 17:10:06 2018 As an aside my father shot Nike Hercules missiles in Vietnam era West Germany. We still have some home video of a missile with our last name printed three meters wide down the rear body section.
McKobb rank	Tue Sep 18 17:15:45 2018 Hey Putin, got a minute? Lulz
State Department rank	Tue Sep 18 17:18:05 2018 Just do it!
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 17:30:48 2018 Aeros Wrong era. Soviet missile. The incident indicates the missiles can indeed hit f-16s unless great care and countermeasures are in place.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 17:37:12 2018 You may also like to examine the f-16 flight path. Does that look like the ADF enjoys air dominance over Syria? A shoot and scoot attack. The Japanese were doing those with rocket assist guided bombs in 1945.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 17:37:34 2018 IDF.
McKobb rank	Tue Sep 18 17:59:45 2018 http://www.idf.org
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 18:01:31 2018 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
McKobb rank	Tue Sep 18 18:04:42 2018 http://youtu.be/-7wyuIwrFMU
McKobb rank	Tue Sep 18 18:32:15 2018 "Vladimir V. Putin, who laid blame for the crash of the Russian Ilyushin Il-20 surveillance aircraft on “a chain of tragic accidental circumstances” and not just on Israel." Didn't take Putin long to grab socks.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 18:39:04 2018 Yah, Russia will be putting up an exclusion zone around its bases in Syria. Putin does that Teddy thing. So beware when he speaks softly. Enhanced security means rules of engagement changes for Russian air defense assets.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Sep 18 18:40:18 2018 "We're not in much of a place to criticize, since we can't differentiate an A300 and an F-14. " Very different scenarios. 30 years ago and a much much more threatening flight path from a combatant nation's plane. The Malaysian 777 was not involved in the conflict at all. The plane vincennes splashed had just lifted from an iranian military airfield during battle with iran.
Turtle Crawler rank	Tue Sep 18 21:08:06 2018 Yeah they won't retaliate, they just modify their rules for the area. One can learn a lot from the Russians. I sure am
Hot Rod rank	Tue Sep 18 21:23:27 2018 jergul - Putin does that Teddy thing. So beware when he speaks softly. Poland has offered The United States $2 Billion a year to establish a permanent base in Poland. We are studying the proposal. How softly do you think Putin will talk if we decide to establish that base?
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 23:28:53 2018 HR Shrug, if you think operation human shield is worth it, then go for it. The counterforce is trivially cheap (4 Iskander tactical balistic missile launchers will do). Putin can tweak that to suit his interests easily.
Daemon rank	Tue Sep 18 23:35:11 2018 Putin knows his limits well, that's why he caved in to the Israelis and Erdogan.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 23:37:22 2018 "You may also like to examine the f-16 flight path. Does that look like the IDF* enjoys air dominance over Syria? A shoot and scoot attack. The Japanese were doing those with rocket assist guided bombs in 1945. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_MXY-7_Ohka I thought that comment would get more traction :).
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 23:39:18 2018 Daemon Yepp, he knows any war will be won in advances through the central European plains. Hence the 36k AFV 2018 Vostok trials. More armoured vehicles by far than you had for Barbarossa.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 18 23:42:16 2018 The US is stepping up. Match Russian reactivation of army groups with new batalions in Germany at close to a 1:1 ratio. Though to be fair, the Army groups are currently no larger than old-school division corps (3 divisions strong).
Sam Adams rank	Wed Sep 19 00:21:21 2018 Did the jews internationally use that commie scout plane as a human shield? Lol if they did!
jergul rank	Wed Sep 19 00:34:25 2018 Sammy Its more that Israel should have aborted the run. Now it will have to accept more permanent limitations on its operational freedom.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Sep 19 06:27:36 2018 In 0 wars have russian air defenses ever posed a significant limitation to western airpower.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 19 07:20:22 2018 Sammy http://en....raft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War
Paramount rank	Wed Sep 19 11:56:45 2018 I thought Russia had established air superiority over Syria since last time one of their planes was shoot down? Why does Russia allow Israel to bomb their allies?
Rugian rank	Wed Sep 19 15:02:29 2018 Jergul large member Wed Sep 19 00:20:22 Sammy http://en....raft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War "The USAF sustained approximately 0.4 losses per 1,000 sorties during the conflict, which compared favorably with a 2.0 rate in Korea and a 9.7 figure during World War II." I'm confused...are you agreeing with Sam here?
Hot Rod rank	Wed Sep 19 15:48:18 2018 paramounted - Why does Russia allow Israel to bomb their allies? Because Israel is an ally of The United States. If Russia went after Israel then we would pound their Shit into the ground.
Paramount rank	Wed Sep 19 16:06:12 2018 Russia could just shoot down any Israeli planes that enters Syrian airspace since they have no business in Syria. It would be Israel's own fault if they run their head into a wall by their own. And seriously, if Israel was destroyed no one would miss it. I think the entire world would celebrate.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 19 16:26:27 2018 Ruggy I am merely demonstrating significant limitations. As if the IDF flight path for this mission did not demonstrate significant limitations on its own. If you were asking in a broader sense what losses could be sustained wwii - 30/1000 is breakpoint for sustainable losses. Vietnam - 3/1000 Today - 3/10000 Or something like that.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 19 16:27:50 2018 HR Giving someone everything they want does not an ally make. Para Israel is a Russian ally.
Daemon rank	Wed Sep 19 16:31:35 2018 Any real reaction from Russia so far? As expected.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Sep 19 16:32:12 2018 Russia can’t do anything about Israel with the conventional assets it has or can have in Syria. Israel and Russia both know this of course.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 19 16:36:55 2018 Daemon As expected, but not as you expect. Nimi Do anything? The current government needs the Russian voter block to remain in power. Russia will continue to curtail Israeli operational freedom over Syria as has been the plan all along, and as Israel is completely aware of will take place. The only condition Israel is trying to set is that Iran and Hezbolla be isolated.
Hrothgar rank	Thu Sep 20 06:47:47 2018 It's not so much they can't tell what a 777 is - it's that they give advanced anti-aircraft weapons to rabble not capable of wise/intelligent use.
McKobb rank	Thu Sep 20 17:31:21 2018 Hurry up for no change
McKobb rank	Thu Sep 20 17:58:20 2018 http://youtu.be/uhjuVZnxN9k China vs Russia
jergul rank	Thu Sep 20 21:10:10 2018 TEL AVIV, September 20. /TASS/. Israeli Air Force Chief Major General Amikam Norkin arrived in Moscow on Thursday to hand information concerning the downing of the Ilyushin Il-20 aircraft over to Russian authorities, Israel Defense Forces Spokesman Jonathan Conricus told TASS. "Yes, I can confirm," he said in response to a question as to whether the air force chief was on a visit to Moscow. On Wednesday night, the Israeli Defense Forces said that Norkin would fly to Moscow on Thursday morning to provide Russia with information about the September 17 incident, including conclusions drawn by Israel. Norkin is accompanied by head of the International Cooperation Unit Brigadier General Erez Maisel and officers from the Intelligence Directorate and the Operations Directorate. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday that Russian President Vladimir Putin in a Tuesday telephone conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had agreed to allow a group of experts led by the Israeli air force chief to bring their data on the Il-20 crash to Moscow. Peskov added that as far as the downing of the aircraft was concerned, Putin was guided by information provided by the Russian Defense Ministry but Russian experts would also study the information Israel would share. Downing of Il-20 aircraft According to the Russian Defense Ministry, on September 17, contact was lost with a Russian Il-20 aircraft flying over the Mediterranean Sea back to the Russian Hmeimim air base in Syria. The ministry said the aircraft had disappeared from radar during an airstrike four Israeli F-16 fighter jets carried out on targets in the Syrian province of Latakia. On September 18, the Russian Defense Ministry stated that the Il-20 aircraft had been accidently downed by Syrian air defense as the Israeli F-16 jets had been using it as cover. According to Defense Ministry Spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov, Israeli pilots "could not but see the Russian plane, which was approaching the runway from an altitude of five kilometers." The ministry added that it considered such actions by Israel to be hostile. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu held a telephone call with his Israeli counterpart Avigdor Lieberman, stating that Israel was solely to blame for the downing of Russia’s Il-20 aircraft over the Mediterranean Sea. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said in a statement that the country "will share all the relevant information with the Russian Government to review the incident and to confirm the facts in this inquiry.". More: http://tass.com/world/1022504
jergul rank	Thu Sep 20 21:14:17 2018 "Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu held a telephone call with his Israeli counterpart Avigdor Lieberman" I hope Shoigu could keep up. He is Tuvan. Lieberman of course has Russian as his mother tongue (though did eventually pick up hebrew).
Rugian rank	Thu Sep 20 23:27:11 2018 "I hope Shoigu could keep up. He is Tuvan. " 1. Racist. 2. Seriously how do you know that.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 20 23:34:15 2018 Ruggy Wiki?
Rugian rank	Fri Sep 21 00:01:48 2018 Jergul, My question is more like why would your brain possibly retain the information regarding the ethnic background of a Russian Cabinet member.
jergul rank	Fri Sep 21 00:07:43 2018 Shoigu is not a Russian surname. So I checked wiki. The irony of Israel's defence minister being more Russian than Russia's defence minister. Amusing.
jergul rank	Fri Sep 21 00:09:34 2018 So your point would go to me recognizing non-russian surnames.
Pillz rank	Fri Sep 21 03:45:01 2018 I think the problem here is Rugian's brain wouldn't retain that detail, but he can list Islamic scholars and their works by heart. Comrade jergul's useless information vs that of Al Rugian bin Ameriki...
Nimatzo rank	Fri Sep 21 20:11:04 2018 lol :) yea... you people are a strange bunch of nerds.
Nimatzo rank	Fri Sep 21 20:17:20 2018 See now I am reading useless information about the name sake for the Uruk-Hai surely? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriankhai
Sam Adams rank	Fri Sep 21 21:31:09 2018 http://www...israeli-military-idUSKCN1M11HL Summary: syria panic fired into the area after they were hit, after the israeli jets were gone. Furthermore the jews warned the commies well in advance of the raid. Lol
jergul rank	Sun Sep 23 15:53:09 2018 /MOSCOW, September 23. /TASS/. The Israeli Air Force and those making decisions are solely to blame for the crash of Russia’s Ilyushin Il-20 aircraft in Syria on September 17, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said at a briefing on Sunday. According to him, "objective data says that the actions of Israeli pilots, which led to the death of 15 Russian military personnel, point to either lack of professionalism or criminal negligence." "This is why we believe that the Russian Il-20 aircraft tragedy is solely the fault of the Israeli Air Force and those who made decisions concerning such actions," Konashenkov said. He stressed that on the night of September 17, the Israeli fighter jets "were active in an area that both military and civilian aircraft fly through when landing at the Hmeimim air base." According to Konashenkov, it is hard to understand the reasons behind these actions, taking into account constructing cooperation between Russia and Israel in Syria. "This is an extremely ungrateful response to all that Russia has done for Israel and the Israeli people recently," he said. "The Israeli military command either does not value the current level of relations with Russia or does not control certain military units," Konashenkov noted, adding that the Israeli Air Force’s actions towards the Russian aircraft went beyond civilized relations. Israeli pilot Konashenkov pointed that the Israeli F-16 fighter jet’s pilot knew that Russia’s Ilyushin Il-20 aircraft would be a preferred target for Syrian air defenses. "After the first attack, the Israeli jets pulled back, moving to an area 70 kilometers west of the Syrian coast, turning their radar jamming devices on and apparently making preparations for another attack," he added. According to the Russian defense ministry spokesman, at 21:59, one of the Israeli F-16 fighters headed to the coast, approaching the Il-20 aircraft, which was preparing to land. "The Syrian air defenses must have taken that maneuver for a new attack by the Israeli Air force," Konashenkov noted. The Israel Defense Forces claimed earlier in a statement that "when the Syrian Army launched the missiles that hit the Russian plane, IAF [Israeli Air Force] jets were already within Israeli airspace." "The Israeli pilot could not but understand that since the Il-20 aircraft has a far larger radar cross-section compared to an F-16 jet, it would be a preferred target for air defenses," Konashenkov said. He also noted that Israel was aware "Russian and Syrian militaries use different friend or foe identification systems so Syrian radars could have identified the Il-20 as a group of Israeli fighter jets." The Russian defense ministry spokesman pointed out that "the Israeli fighter jets used the Russian Il-20 aircraft as cover against missiles and continued their maneuvers in the area." Hitting missile A missile launched from a Syrian S-200 missile complex hit the Russian Ilyushin Il-20 aircraft at 22:03 on September 17, the aircraft commander had the time to report about the fire on board and the start of an emergency landing, Igor Konashenkov said at a briefing. According to him, Israeli fighter plans in fact used the Russian aircraft as cover, knowing that air defense missiles would hit a larger target. "At 22:03, a Syrian missile hit the closest and biggest target, which was the Il-20 aircraft. The captain reported about a fire on board and the start of an emergency landing," he said, adding that the aircraft had disappeared from radar at 22:07. The Russian general added that at 22:29, a Russian duty officer in command in Syria informed the Israeli Air Force that a Russian Il-20 aircraft was in distress and demanded that Israeli fighter jets leave the area as a rescue operation was about to begin. An Israeli lieutenant confirmed the receipt of information but the Israeli F-16 jets left the area only at 22:40. Israel’s actions in Syria The Russian defense ministry spokesmen noted that the mode conduct of Israeli pilots in Syria was totally different from that of US pilots, as Russia and the US used communication channels to notify each other of plans to carry out air operations in the region in order to prevent incidents. Konashenkov went on to say that Russia had not once violated its agreements with Israel "and never used the Russian air defenses deployed to Syria though Israeli air raids sometimes posed a potential threat to Russian military personnel." "Since the [deconflition] agreement was made, Russia has sent 310 notifications about activities in areas along the Israeli border to the Israel Defense Forces Command. At the same time, Israel sent only 25 such notifications, shortly before airstrikes," he said. He added that Israel’s F-16 fighter jets turned their radar jamming devices on and pulled back after carrying out an attack in Syria’s Latakia province on September 17. "Syrian air defenses began launching missiles to counter Israeli airstrikes at 21:51," Konashenkov said. "After the first attack, the Israeli jets pulled back, moving to an area 70 kilometers west of the Syrian coast, turning their radar jamming devices on and apparently making preparations for another attack," he added. According to the Russian defense ministry spokesman, at 21:59, one of the Israeli F-16 fighters headed to the coast, approaching the Il-20 aircraft, which was preparing to land. "The Syrian air defenses must have taken that maneuver for a new attack by the Israeli Air force," Konashenkov noted. Downing of Il-20 aircraft According to the Russian Defense Ministry, on September 17, contact was lost with a Russian Il-20 aircraft flying over the Mediterranean Sea back to Russia’s Hmeimim air base in Syria. The ministry said the aircraft had disappeared from radar during an airstrike four Israeli F-16 fighter jets carried out on targets in the Syrian province of Latakia. On September 18, the Russian Defense Ministry stated that the Il-20 aircraft had been accidently downed by Syrian air defenses as the Israeli F-16 jets had been using it as cover. According to Konashenkov, Israeli pilots "could not but see the Russian plane, which was approaching the runway from an altitude of five kilometers." The Defense Ministry added that it considered such actions by Israel to be hostile. More: http://tass.com/politics/1022770
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 12:51:50 2018 MOSCOW, September 24./TASS/. Within two weeks, the Syrian army will get from Russia S-300 air-defense missiles to strengthen its combat capabilities following the downing of a Russian Ilyushin Il-20 aircraft in Syria, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Monday. "A modern S-300 air defense missile system will be supplied to the Syrian Armed Forces within two weeks. It is capable of intercepting air assault weapons at a distance of more than 250 kilometers and hit simultaneously several air targets," the minister said. Shoigu said S-300 missiles will strongly strengthen combat capabilities of the Syrian air defense due to their jamming invulnerability and firing speed. "I will underscore - at the request of the Israeli side, in 2013 we suspended the delivery of S-300 systems that were ready for the dispatch, while the Syrian military had undergone training. Now the situation has changed, and we are not to blame," the defense minister said. Command posts of the Syrian air defense will also be equipped with Russian automated systems, which guarantee the identification of Russian aircraft, the defense chief stated. "The command posts of Syrian air defense forces and units will be equipped with automated control systems only supplied to the Russian armed forces. This will facilitate centralized control over all forces and resources of the Syrian air defense, monitor the situation in the air, and ensure operative issuance of orders. Most importantly, we will guarantee the identification of all Russian aircrafts by the Syrian air defense systems," Shoigu said. A Russian electronic surveillance Il-20 plane was downed over the Mediterranean Sea late on September 17 when it was flying back to the Russian airbase at Syria’s Hmeymim. According to the Russian defense ministry, the plane was shot down by a missile from a Syrian S-200 air defense complex when it was firing at four Israeli F-16 aircraft attacking targets in the Latakia governorate. The Israeli pilots actually used the Russian aircraft as a cover, exposing it to Syrian missiles, the ministry stressed. More: http://tass.com/defense/1022844
swordtail rank	Mon Sep 24 15:40:34 2018 hopefully they use them
Daemon rank	Mon Sep 24 15:48:40 2018 "Russian and Syrian militaries use different friend or foe identification systems so Syrian radars could have identified the Il-20 as a group of Israeli fighter jets." So they admit that it's their own fault, they should have been more carefully.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 16:12:11 2018 Daemon They are definately being more careful. They are closing the airspace in the eastern province of latakia. It is now a no fly zone. Russia has ongoing military drills shutting down the seaboard now while assets are moved into position. The IDF can still have fun down with shoot and scoots through Lebanon or into Damaskus. But Russia and Syrian air defences further North will be fully integrated. A Syrian battery may be firing a missile, but anything there is going up against the full brunt of what Russia can muster.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 16:13:14 2018 north*
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 16:16:11 2018 Daemon They are definitely being more careful. They are closing the airspace in the Western province of Latakia. It is now a no fly zone. Russia has ongoing military drills shutting down the seaboard now while assets are moved into position. The IDF can still have fun down with shoot and scoots through Lebanon or into Damascus. But Russia and Syrian air defences further north will be fully integrated. A Syrian battery may be firing a missile, but anything there is going up against the full brunt of what Russia can muster. This is Russia being careful and friendly. It could easily put up an air defence cordon that covered Israel entirely. Instead, it is letting Israel continue to lob missiles at Syria whenever it is required for domestic reasons.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 16:17:26 2018 That Putin. What a guy.
Daemon rank	Mon Sep 24 16:34:35 2018 "Instead, it is letting Israel continue to lob missiles at Syria whenever it is required for domestic reasons. " Putin has no other choice.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 16:41:21 2018 Not while focusing on building up the military capability to steam-roll Germany over the weekend at least.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 16:41:40 2018 Its all about priorities.
Nimatzo rank	Mon Sep 24 16:45:47 2018 Well let’s see. I think with what is going on in Iran internally and with the recent attack in Ahvaz, something an order of magnitude larger than lebanon 2006 between Iran and Israel is not unlikely. What do you think jergul?
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 24 17:01:24 2018 Lol. New missiles. Syrian and russian fighters are doubly fucked now.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 17:30:38 2018 Nimi Order of magnitude? Lets see. Hezb has gained deepstrike capability, which will increase Israel's use of munitions over a greater area (Little Syria and Big Syria). Yah, I can see an order of magnitude in a new Lebanon war. It is the main reason why "Putin has no other choice" than to permit IDF operations in and through Damascus province. Its a safety valve for Israel (waah Iran and Hezb. Lets blow up some warehouses in Syria. Rawr IDF). Ahvaz? Is Iran even trying to pin that on Israel? Strategically, it would make sense to pin it on Gulf Principalities. Iran can shut down oil export any time it likes (loading and pipelines, not tankers. Tankers are too emotional). Given the new sanctions and a general global shortage, it would be one way to get Iranian oil back to market. I don't really see Iran and Israel doing anything but proxy stuff. It could go nuclear too easily. Sammy Its access denial. Don't worry, you can still bomb Damascus.
Paramount rank	Mon Sep 24 17:48:41 2018 I think the best would be if every could agree that the best would be to bomb and invade Israel and then hand over the control of Jerusalem to the Christians and the Pope in particular.
Pillz rank	Mon Sep 24 17:50:58 2018 That is Roman land, not catholic land.
Paramount rank	Mon Sep 24 17:59:35 2018 Okay, but both worship Jesus?
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 24 18:15:48 2018 Jupiter is going to smite your blasphemous ass.
Pillz rank	Mon Sep 24 18:43:39 2018 Catholics are heretics, doesn't matter what they pretend to worship. Orthodox or pagan, doesn't matter long as it's in the hands of true Romans
Turtle Crawler rank	Mon Sep 24 20:54:22 2018 And now Russia has modified the rules of the game. This was all so obvious, Jews must be a retarded people. Now (they) won't be able to do anything in Syrian airspace. Their weapons systems will be capable of shutting down nearly all foreign interference in Syria and they do it with complete moral superiority.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 21:20:48 2018 My take is that it is true for Latakia. Syria can still be attacked. What you say will be true, but not yet (Putin is approaching Syrian security in the same way you might want to boil a frog).
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 21:25:13 2018 And Tartus of course. I had forgotten it was its own Governate (and lumped the whole coastal area from Turkey to Lebanon as part of Latakia). Silly me.
Pillz rank	Mon Sep 24 21:29:51 2018 I strongly suspect an overt Chinese presence in Syria in the next few months.
swordtail rank	Mon Sep 24 21:41:18 2018 when the covenant,tyranids and the reapers attack the earth will prevail!
Pillz rank	Mon Sep 24 22:24:16 2018 As the boards foremost authority in all those universes, nope.jpg
Pillz rank	Mon Sep 24 22:26:28 2018 Although the idea that the Master Chief is just a prior incarnation of the Emperor of Mankind, and the Spartan program was really just a foundational experiment for the Adeptus Custodes and subsequently Astartes.... That's some good fanfiction head Canon material
Pillz rank	Mon Sep 24 22:27:27 2018 "I'm the Emperor of Mankind and this is my favorite store on the Citadel" ....
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 22:28:03 2018 Pillz It depends on what you mean, but I think you may be overstating things somewhat.
Pillz rank	Mon Sep 24 22:30:17 2018 I believe what I mean is that the premise of 40K lends itself to infinite, awe-inspiring cross overs.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 22:37:30 2018 http://www.military-today.com/missiles/antey_2500.htm
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 24 22:59:04 2018 Ahhh practice targets for the IAF.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 23:27:02 2018 Sammy I am sure they have added the system to their training simulators. So certainly in that sense. Like I said, all this means in practical terms is that the approaches to Tartus and Latakia are no longer usable. Your access has been denied.
Hot Rod rank	Mon Sep 24 23:29:24 2018 Who in the hell is going to attack Venezuela. No country in their right mind would want it.
McKobb rank	Mon Sep 24 23:43:10 2018 They do got some excellent oil reserves if you have the tech to exploit it. Petro is quite valuable!
jergul rank	Mon Sep 24 23:50:11 2018 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgaywJGUZUg 3 minutes and forward. Pilot error. An F-16 was being chased by an s-200 missile. The F-16 dove behind the Il-20 with predictable results. The Russian MOD is pretty pissed.
Nimatzo rank	Tue Sep 25 12:30:57 2018 >>Ahvaz? Is Iran even trying to pin that on Israel?<< I think you know, this is a silly question :) Israel and the USA have already been blamed and are blamed for everything, so perhaps not fair. Israel has a hand in everything you know :P They wont pin it on them, I mentioned it as part of a series of internal inflammations going on in Iran, that can lead to a more aggressive posture. It could help facilitate this order of magnitude larger conflict. >>I don't really see Iran and Israel doing anything but proxy stuff<< We can hope, but all we need is one unlucky response against Israel, one border raid or missile ending up with too many casualties than Israel can tolerate. And the frequency and risk of response goes up as the Syrian war winds down.
Paramount rank	Tue Sep 25 13:19:54 2018 The question is how much will Iran tolerate? Iran is being slapped like a bitch. Don't you persians have any honor and backbone?
jergul rank	Tue Sep 25 13:51:10 2018 Nimi Well, being blamed because the US is propping up the regimes responsible for the attack. According to the Iranian narrative. Like I said, that narrative actually makes sense as it meets strategic interests in addition to the usual waah evil abroad lets look at that. Israel had too many mass casualty events in 2006 for it to want a ground conflict. Precision munitions are very dangerous to loitering conscripts stuck in convoy backlogs.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 25 14:04:47 2018 Loitering reservists rather*
jergul rank	Tue Sep 25 15:57:04 2018 TEL AVIV, September 25. /TASS/. Netanyahu’s security cabinet ordered the Israeli Defense Forces to continue to act against Iran’s military build-up in Syria without stopping coordination on Syria with the Russian military, the cabinet said in a statement released by the Israeli government press service. "The cabinet instructs the IDF to continue to act against Iran’s military entrenchment efforts in Syria while continuing security coordination with Russia," the security cabinet said in a statement. The ministers share the pain of the Russian people over the death of the Russian plane’s [Il -20 - TASS] crew as a result of the actions of the Syrian army, the document says. Read also Diplomat promises supply of S-300 to Syria won’t spoil Russia-Israel relations In order to safeguard the military forces of the two states from sudden clashes on Syrian territory, in the fall of 2015 Israel and Russia established a de-confliction mechanism, with a special coordination center created at Israel’s headquarters. The Il-20 electronic reconnaissance plane was shot down on the evening of September 17 over the Mediterranean Sea when it was returning to the Hmeymim Airbase. The Russian Defense Ministry reported that it was downed by a missile from Syria’s S-200 air defense missile system when it was carrying out an attack on four Israeli F-16 planes that had attacked facilities in the Latakia Governorate. Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Igor Konashenkov stated that the Israeli Air Force and those who made the decision to use the Russian plane as cover are to blame for the downing of Il-20 in Syria. More: http://tass.com/world/1023002
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