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CrownRoyal
Member Fri Apr 08 22:36:17
Breaking News: Dennis Hastert, the former House speaker, molested 4 boys as a wrestling coach, prosecutors said

Along with thrice divorced cheater speaker Newt Gingrich, and his successor Bob Livingston who had to resign over extra marital affairs, these are the leaders of the Republican House who thought it necessary to impeach president Clinton for lying under oath about his affair with lewinsky

Hot Rod
Revved Up Fri Apr 08 22:59:51

Clinton lied to a Grand Jury for which he lost his license to practice law for awhile.

And none of those guys were ever second in line to the Presidency.

Why don't you go soak your head in a barrel of water until you know what you are talking about.

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Apr 08 23:03:51
VP is first in line, Speaker is 2nd

"Clinton lied to a Grand Jury for which he lost his license to practice law for awhile. "

Indeed, a fitting punishment, unlike the impeachment for the high crime, doled out by two family-values cheaters and a serial pedophile

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Apr 08 23:04:56
I want to warn people abot pedo jokes here. Zero reasons to attack Rod, just because he is defending a serial kidfucker

Hot Rod
Revved Up Fri Apr 08 23:22:30

"As the presiding officer over the United States House of Representatives, the speaker is second in line for the presidency, after the Vice President."

WIKI

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Apr 08 23:27:29
In your head, did it sound like hastert, the house speaker, was never 2nd in line to the presidency, bud?

Camaban
The Overseer Fri Apr 08 23:42:36
This is a bad week for HR getting schooled by foreigners about US politicians...

Hot Rod
Revved Up Fri Apr 08 23:53:10

I just posted proof that the Speaker of The House is third in line.

You are welcome to prove me wrong or you can allow your ignorance to stand.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sat Apr 09 00:05:45

cr - In your head, did it sound like hastert, the house speaker, was never 2nd in line to the presidency, bud?

Sure he was second in line after the Vice-President who was second in line after The President.

smart dude
Member Sat Apr 09 00:35:47
Rod, your own quote says that the speaker is second in line.

"In line" means waiting. If you have ever stood in line at the grocery store or Disney World, you would know this. The president himself is not "in line" to be president. He IS the president. The vice president, meanwhile, is first in line. The Speaker is second. This is basic English, and basic US politics.

Wrath of Orion
Member Sat Apr 09 00:41:19
Retard Rod's claim:

"And none of those guys were ever second in line to the Presidency."

Retard Rod's quote less than 30 minutes later:

"the speaker is second in line for the presidency"

Retard Rod's claim 30 minutes later:

"I just posted proof that the Speaker of The House is third in line."

Goddamnit, how stupid can a conscious human being be? This is a new low for Retard Rod.

pillz
Member Sat Apr 09 01:02:31
Obligatory comment about being the party of strong family values

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 01:30:30
You don't know what "in line" means.

The sitting president is not in the line of succession. The VP is first in line, the speaker is second in line.

How could the president succeed to a position he already has?

Plus what the others have said.

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist Sat Apr 09 01:43:40

'Sure he was second in line after the Vice-President who was second in line after The President. '

If the President is first in line to be President, then who is the President? Someone apparently has to die or be impeached for the President to be President? Do you know what a line is?

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 01:49:35
Lines are different in America.

You're thinking of European lines.

</anticipation>

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sat Apr 09 07:39:48

It was a long day yesterday and I was *WRONG*.

Sorry I caused you so much angst.

Aeros
Member Sat Apr 09 09:10:14
Ladies and gentlemen, the "Moral Majority".

tumbleweed
the wanderer Sat Apr 09 09:17:27
makes for an awkward Hastert Thanksgiving

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 09:37:39
Need to stop redefining words.... Angst is:

"an acute but nonspecific sense of anxiety or remorse"

I doubt anyone here felt either of those.

Kind of like how you stretched the definition of lying the other day in order to accuse me of doing it.

smart dude
Member Sat Apr 09 09:46:35
Yeah, Rod is definitely wrong yet again. He doesn't know what the word 'angst' means.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sat Apr 09 12:59:48

cam - I doubt anyone here felt either of those.

Seemed like it to me.

doodle dud, cam just told you what it means. 'anxiety.'

Rugian
Member Sat Apr 09 13:29:19
Aeros
Member Sat Apr 09 09:10:14
Ladies and gentlemen, the "Moral Majority".

MLK regularly cheated on his wife. Just because the speaker is garbage, it doesn't make the message invalid. Granted, MLK's message was dogshit on factual grounds (blacks being equal to white people, lol), but it wasn't invalid because he himself was a horrific and detestable person.

Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member Sat Apr 09 13:32:20
Ok dude, the message which was clinton getting his dick sucked = impeachment from the guys raping kiddies and cheating on their wives is not invalid

Rugian
Member Sat Apr 09 13:35:18
^if I at all cared about a negro's opinion, I'd be flattered that you agree with me.

Aeros
Member Sat Apr 09 14:27:59
Sure, the Message itself is not invalid if the messenger does not follow it.

However, an otherwise valid message being delivered by hypocrites tends to not be adhered too.

Aeros
Member Sat Apr 09 14:29:03
Even worse, now when people think about the "Moral Majority" they will think about raping kids and serial infidelity rather then anything else they might have tried to accomplish.

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist Sat Apr 09 14:37:30
'Ok dude, the message which was clinton getting his dick sucked = impeachment from the guys raping kiddies and cheating on their wives is not invalid '

Lying about it was the main issue

CrownRoyal
Member Sat Apr 09 15:19:59
"Just because the speaker is garbage, it doesn't make the message invalid. "

What message is that? Abstinence and hate for fags? The message is invalid, even the speaker is a saint.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 17:51:04
>>doodle dud, cam just told you what it means. 'anxiety.' <<

Not quite. Anxiety or remorse.

Other definitions have dread, anxiety or anguish.

>>Seemed like it to me. <<

Who do you think felt anything like this and why do you think it?

Keeping in mind for anxiety it's the negative aspects of it that are covered. Positive sorts of anxiety (excitement) wouldn't make sense.

Wrath of Orion
Member Sat Apr 09 18:32:00
I love how Retard Rod is trying to deflect the issue away from a couple key points.

First, having a "long day" results in Retard Rod failing at basic English. Second, another result of a "long day" for Retard Rod is a complete inability to realize that the supporting "evidence" he posts for his bullshit claims actually contradicts those claims.

Neither would be the result of a "long day" for most people. Only idiots starting at such a low intelligence level as Retard Rod could be pushed into those mistakes by a "long day."

I guess it's only natural for him to attempt deflection considering how bad this shows his intelligence to be.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 18:36:59
You should see my week.

Approaching 60 hours and still I'm working.

Started at 8:30 this morning after finishing at 1:00 this morning (Large bank network having problems. Unfortunately can't fuck around... Can have coffee, though)

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist Sat Apr 09 19:49:16
That's what you get for not building an android that can fix the problem for you. Could have sworn you were the one who always said a good IT guy doesn't really do anything, since he just has a bunch of automated tools.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 19:52:47
Automation is great for shit you need to do twice.

Pretty crappy for one-off stuff.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 19:54:00
Also, on this network, GL getting these tools on there.

Banks don't make implementing this shit easy.

In this case, the android would need to be there ready to kneecap people who disagree with me.....

I think the Trump campaign is looking for something that'll do that...

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist Sat Apr 09 20:41:51
'Automation is great for shit you need to do twice.

Pretty crappy for one-off stuff'

Hence my recommendation of an android with a fully functional AI enslaved to you. It could do everything you can do, and when something new comes out, it just downloads the manual and instantly learns the new stuff.

It could just talk directly in binary to the computer, find out what's wrong, and fix it in mere minutes. Just make it look like you so you can take credit!

'In this case, the android would need to be there ready to kneecap people who disagree with me....'

The android thinks in binary. What security could you possibly come up with to stop the android from making the changes before you even know they are happening? Might as well be trying to out hack a Cylon.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 20:43:23
>>Hence my recommendation of an android with a fully functional AI enslaved to you. It could do everything you can do, and when something new comes out, it just downloads the manual and instantly learns the new stuff.

It could just talk directly in binary to the computer, find out what's wrong, and fix it in mere minutes. Just make it look like you so you can take credit! <<

Yeah, but then I'd need to learn the binary language of moisture vaporators to make it work.

And who has time for that?

>>The android thinks in binary. What security could you possibly come up with to stop the android from making the changes before you even know they are happening? Might as well be trying to out hack a Cylon.<<

You haven't seen IBM's bureaucracy.

There's no system that could defeat that.

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist Sat Apr 09 21:00:44
'Yeah, but then I'd need to learn the binary language of moisture vaporators to make it work.

And who has time for that? '

I guess I just assumed binary was binary. Didn't realize that it could change from system to system.

'You haven't seen IBM's bureaucracy.

There's no system that could defeat that. '

Sure there is. Instruct the android to subtly introduce minor inefficiencies into the bureaucracy continuously until it collapses under it's own weight!

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sat Apr 09 21:05:20

I used to be able to read binary numbers just by looking at them.

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist Sat Apr 09 21:08:52
You should get your eyes checked if you can't. It's easy to read off a bunch of 1's and 0's. No idea what the fuck any of it means though.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 21:09:18
>>I guess I just assumed binary was binary. Didn't realize that it could change from system to system.<<

Big endian and little endian for a start.

>>Sure there is. Instruct the android to subtly introduce minor inefficiencies into the bureaucracy continuously until it collapses under it's own weight!<<

From the looks of things, this has been going on for decades, but it still hasn't happened.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 21:10:27
Granted, that's binary digit order in byte, but still.

Also, if I'm to believe Bender's dreams, sometimes there's a two.

chuck
Member Sat Apr 09 21:30:48
Reading binary is easy but slow.

Instead of each digit in the number representing 10^n, each digit represents a number 2^n.

So 1041 in base 10 represents 1*10^3 + 0*10^2 + 4*10^1 + 1*10^0 in base 10.

And 1101 represents 1*2^3 + 1*2^2 + 0*2^1 + 1*2^0 in base 2. 8 + 4 + 0 + 1 = 13 in base 10.

chuck
Member Sat Apr 09 22:00:49
The lower a base is, the more digits you need to express a number. In binary the base 10 number 1041 would be 10000010001 for instance - so a 4 digit number vs an 11 digit number.

Computers generally operate on chunks of 8 binary digits (or in shortened form, "bits") at a time. These chunks of bits are called bytes. A byte needn't be 8 bits but generally is in all modern computers (though other byte sizes have been used before). It actually becomes a 16 digit number then:

00000100 00010001

Most working programmers today don't have to think about binary ever; they write their programs in nice, friendly languages and then they use some other programs that convert the text they wrote to 1s and 0s.

In the olden days if you had to work with binary directly, you typically used a tool that displayed it in hexadecimal (base16). Since it is a higher base, it encodes information much more compactly (and makes it easier for human beans to read). One convenience of the 8-bit byte is that every byte can be represented by 2 base 16 digits.

(Aside: to represent numbers greater than 9 in hex, the letters A-F are used. A in base 16 = 10 in base 10, and so on to F = 15)

base10: 1041
base02: 00000100 00010001
base16: 04 11

So because 16 is a power of 2, you can convert to and from binary much more simply than you can go base 10. First 4 digits are 0000? That's a zero? Next four are 0100? That's binary for 7 in base 10 (which is also 7 in base 16). Next four are 0001? That's binary for 1. Next four also 0001? Still one.

So there you have it - the mental accounting of keeping track of all those ones and zeroes is simple but tedious and error prone so ingenious people have found ways to avoid doing it - even when they ARE doing it.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 22:19:56
>>Most working programmers today don't have to think about binary ever; they write their programs in nice, friendly languages and then they use some other programs that convert the text they wrote to 1s and 0s. <<

Not quite.

Binary/Boolean logic is used extensively.

Also, Linux Sysadmins need to think in binary regularly, to say nothing of Network admins. This includes what's probably almost literally the only time Octal is ever used.

chuck
Member Sat Apr 09 22:59:10
"Not quite..[snip]"

Simmer down, no need to have an e-peen contest comparing who knows what. I was 'splaining the general case, and in the general case what I said holds.

You're better than oneupsmanship, Bob.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 23:04:07
Just being pedantic :P

Overall though, yes, you're entirely correct. There are cases where binary is still the most efficient way of portraying things, but those things are only there because it's the most efficient way of portraying it.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 23:06:05
Anyway, my apologies for that. I see how it came across.

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist Sat Apr 09 23:25:42
Im just gonna consider myself lucky that I haven't had to deal with binary. Boolean logic isn't so bad. Not that I an write anything that's really of value anyways.

chuck
Member Sat Apr 09 23:32:10
No worries, just a mode smart people slip into from time to time accidentally.

Camaban
The Overseer Sat Apr 09 23:50:17
I'm currently senior in some undefined way to an Indian team while I wait for another, more interesting project to start.

Letting small things slide is lethal. Results get interesting.

Plus, I'm naturally pedantic.

Also, but not really related: You really, really get what you pay for. Dear Christ.

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist Sun Apr 10 01:21:21
Are you senior enough to force them to eat beef?

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 02:23:25
I'm not senior enough to make them answer a question directly.

This being said... No-one is.

State Department
Member Sun Apr 10 02:54:17
Dennis the menace.

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 03:15:36
Which version?

The awesome British version? Or the American who would probably be the British version's bitch.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sun Apr 10 04:48:19

cam - Plus, I'm naturally pedantic.

I'm truly surprised that you even noticed.

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 05:22:12
Some people are capable of being honest when themselves, then there's you.

*shrugs*

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sun Apr 10 05:27:04

I'm a helluva lot more honest with myself than you will ever be little man.

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 05:41:34
It's interesting that you believe this.

But not inconsistent with your normal behaviour.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sun Apr 10 09:39:33

You are the one struggling with building your ego, I don't have to.

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 16:59:41
If the only way you're able to defend your hero is to attack what you'd like to believe see my reasons for criticising him, I'm afraid that's your problem.

All I can say is that if he's the overblown figure you believe he is, you wouldn't have first tried to find excuses (he'd have been unable to compete) or bother attacking my reasons.

The facts stand, whether you like them or not.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sun Apr 10 17:27:22

I've got you figured out and I feel sorry for you.

Sometime you should get in a quiet place and give some serious thought as to why you have those long arguments with TC.

It is really quite pathetic.

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 18:03:43
No you don't. To either.

You're just upset your hero isn't what you'd like him to be.

He is, as you were willing to acknowledge for a short time before realising what that meant, only human. A product of his time and class.

He is what he is, warts and all. If I were him I'd find it a little insulting that you couldn't accept him for what he was, but felt compelled to create a myth about him.

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 18:06:18
This being said, if I were him, I'd take consolation from that you're unable to cope with a nuanced view of anybody. It's all angels or devils.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Sun Apr 10 18:27:49

You sound like a five year old, I can't make heads or tails out of those posts.

I've said all I want to say to you except a word of advice. Grow up and stop acting like a school yard bully.

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 18:34:07
I'm sorry facts are bullying in your world.

You much in common with WtB.

Right down to the selective incomprehension.

Wrath of Orion
Member Sun Apr 10 20:00:58
Ah, Retard Rod, you really should take a look at your own posts...

Retard Rod claims A (A is factually incorrect, while B is correct). Retard Rod belittles anyone who doesn't agree with A. Retard Rod posts evidence meant to support A, but it actually supports B. Retard Rod still doesn't get it and continues to belittle people even though he's wrong. Retard Rod finally realizes what an idiot he is and claims it was due to a "long day."

Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member Sun Apr 10 20:06:01
A long day of what? Rod doesn't even work. He just sits there watching Fox News all day long. Rod was tired out by a long day of doing nothing but leeching welfare and watching TV.

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 20:10:09
"As it turns out his slaves were whipped, I assume, when the broke the rules, but you did not *know* that when you made up your statement. "

This bit is a bit similar.

Amusing for a few reasons.

Firstly, it's his realisation that his slaves were whipped.

Secondly, the immediate attempt at justifying it. Look up a whipped slave to see what that was actually like.

Thirdly, there's the belief that I didn't know that when I made my statement. HR didn't know it. I did. How did I know it? Because I knew what slave owners, of which Washington was one, during that period were like. How did HR not know it? *shrugs* Intentional blindness? Inability to cope with historical realities? Inability to cope with great men being human. (To take the extreme, Hitler was a Great Man. Stalin was a Great Man. Augustus was a Great Man. Sulla was a Great Man. Greatness doesn't require niceness.)

Wrath of Orion
Member Sun Apr 10 20:28:11
Well, Retard Rod and reality have never been on speaking terms...

Camaban
The Overseer Sun Apr 10 20:32:44
Has been noted.

Also worth noting again, that not 100% *knowing* something when making a statement is enough to make that statement a lie.

Even if it's correct.

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CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 08 22:36:17 Breaking News: Dennis Hastert, the former House speaker, molested 4 boys as a wrestling coach, prosecutors said Along with thrice divorced cheater speaker Newt Gingrich, and his successor Bob Livingston who had to resign over extra marital affairs, these are the leaders of the Republican House who thought it necessary to impeach president Clinton for lying under oath about his affair with lewinsky
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Apr 08 22:59:51 Clinton lied to a Grand Jury for which he lost his license to practice law for awhile. And none of those guys were ever second in line to the Presidency. Why don't you go soak your head in a barrel of water until you know what you are talking about.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 08 23:03:51 VP is first in line, Speaker is 2nd "Clinton lied to a Grand Jury for which he lost his license to practice law for awhile. " Indeed, a fitting punishment, unlike the impeachment for the high crime, doled out by two family-values cheaters and a serial pedophile
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 08 23:04:56 I want to warn people abot pedo jokes here. Zero reasons to attack Rod, just because he is defending a serial kidfucker
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Apr 08 23:22:30 "As the presiding officer over the United States House of Representatives, the speaker is second in line for the presidency, after the Vice President." WIKI
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Apr 08 23:27:29 In your head, did it sound like hastert, the house speaker, was never 2nd in line to the presidency, bud?
Camaban The Overseer	Fri Apr 08 23:42:36 This is a bad week for HR getting schooled by foreigners about US politicians...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Apr 08 23:53:10 I just posted proof that the Speaker of The House is third in line. You are welcome to prove me wrong or you can allow your ignorance to stand.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Apr 09 00:05:45 cr - In your head, did it sound like hastert, the house speaker, was never 2nd in line to the presidency, bud? Sure he was second in line after the Vice-President who was second in line after The President.
smart dude Member	Sat Apr 09 00:35:47 Rod, your own quote says that the speaker is second in line. "In line" means waiting. If you have ever stood in line at the grocery store or Disney World, you would know this. The president himself is not "in line" to be president. He IS the president. The vice president, meanwhile, is first in line. The Speaker is second. This is basic English, and basic US politics.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sat Apr 09 00:41:19 Retard Rod's claim: "And none of those guys were ever second in line to the Presidency." Retard Rod's quote less than 30 minutes later: "the speaker is second in line for the presidency" Retard Rod's claim 30 minutes later: "I just posted proof that the Speaker of The House is third in line." Goddamnit, how stupid can a conscious human being be? This is a new low for Retard Rod.
pillz Member	Sat Apr 09 01:02:31 Obligatory comment about being the party of strong family values
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 01:30:30 You don't know what "in line" means. The sitting president is not in the line of succession. The VP is first in line, the speaker is second in line. How could the president succeed to a position he already has? Plus what the others have said.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sat Apr 09 01:43:40 'Sure he was second in line after the Vice-President who was second in line after The President. ' If the President is first in line to be President, then who is the President? Someone apparently has to die or be impeached for the President to be President? Do you know what a line is?
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 01:49:35 Lines are different in America. You're thinking of European lines. </anticipation>
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Apr 09 07:39:48 It was a long day yesterday and I was WRONG. Sorry I caused you so much angst.
Aeros Member	Sat Apr 09 09:10:14 Ladies and gentlemen, the "Moral Majority".
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Apr 09 09:17:27 makes for an awkward Hastert Thanksgiving
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 09:37:39 Need to stop redefining words.... Angst is: "an acute but nonspecific sense of anxiety or remorse" I doubt anyone here felt either of those. Kind of like how you stretched the definition of lying the other day in order to accuse me of doing it.
smart dude Member	Sat Apr 09 09:46:35 Yeah, Rod is definitely wrong yet again. He doesn't know what the word 'angst' means.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Apr 09 12:59:48 cam - I doubt anyone here felt either of those. Seemed like it to me. doodle dud, cam just told you what it means. 'anxiety.'
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 09 13:29:19 Aeros Member Sat Apr 09 09:10:14 Ladies and gentlemen, the "Moral Majority". MLK regularly cheated on his wife. Just because the speaker is garbage, it doesn't make the message invalid. Granted, MLK's message was dogshit on factual grounds (blacks being equal to white people, lol), but it wasn't invalid because he himself was a horrific and detestable person.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sat Apr 09 13:32:20 Ok dude, the message which was clinton getting his dick sucked = impeachment from the guys raping kiddies and cheating on their wives is not invalid
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 09 13:35:18 ^if I at all cared about a negro's opinion, I'd be flattered that you agree with me.
Aeros Member	Sat Apr 09 14:27:59 Sure, the Message itself is not invalid if the messenger does not follow it. However, an otherwise valid message being delivered by hypocrites tends to not be adhered too.
Aeros Member	Sat Apr 09 14:29:03 Even worse, now when people think about the "Moral Majority" they will think about raping kids and serial infidelity rather then anything else they might have tried to accomplish.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sat Apr 09 14:37:30 'Ok dude, the message which was clinton getting his dick sucked = impeachment from the guys raping kiddies and cheating on their wives is not invalid ' Lying about it was the main issue
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Apr 09 15:19:59 "Just because the speaker is garbage, it doesn't make the message invalid. " What message is that? Abstinence and hate for fags? The message is invalid, even the speaker is a saint.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 17:51:04 >>doodle dud, cam just told you what it means. 'anxiety.' << Not quite. Anxiety or remorse. Other definitions have dread, anxiety or anguish. >>Seemed like it to me. << Who do you think felt anything like this and why do you think it? Keeping in mind for anxiety it's the negative aspects of it that are covered. Positive sorts of anxiety (excitement) wouldn't make sense.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sat Apr 09 18:32:00 I love how Retard Rod is trying to deflect the issue away from a couple key points. First, having a "long day" results in Retard Rod failing at basic English. Second, another result of a "long day" for Retard Rod is a complete inability to realize that the supporting "evidence" he posts for his bullshit claims actually contradicts those claims. Neither would be the result of a "long day" for most people. Only idiots starting at such a low intelligence level as Retard Rod could be pushed into those mistakes by a "long day." I guess it's only natural for him to attempt deflection considering how bad this shows his intelligence to be.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 18:36:59 You should see my week. Approaching 60 hours and still I'm working. Started at 8:30 this morning after finishing at 1:00 this morning (Large bank network having problems. Unfortunately can't fuck around... Can have coffee, though)
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sat Apr 09 19:49:16 That's what you get for not building an android that can fix the problem for you. Could have sworn you were the one who always said a good IT guy doesn't really do anything, since he just has a bunch of automated tools.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 19:52:47 Automation is great for shit you need to do twice. Pretty crappy for one-off stuff.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 19:54:00 Also, on this network, GL getting these tools on there. Banks don't make implementing this shit easy. In this case, the android would need to be there ready to kneecap people who disagree with me..... I think the Trump campaign is looking for something that'll do that...
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sat Apr 09 20:41:51 'Automation is great for shit you need to do twice. Pretty crappy for one-off stuff' Hence my recommendation of an android with a fully functional AI enslaved to you. It could do everything you can do, and when something new comes out, it just downloads the manual and instantly learns the new stuff. It could just talk directly in binary to the computer, find out what's wrong, and fix it in mere minutes. Just make it look like you so you can take credit! 'In this case, the android would need to be there ready to kneecap people who disagree with me....' The android thinks in binary. What security could you possibly come up with to stop the android from making the changes before you even know they are happening? Might as well be trying to out hack a Cylon.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 20:43:23 >>Hence my recommendation of an android with a fully functional AI enslaved to you. It could do everything you can do, and when something new comes out, it just downloads the manual and instantly learns the new stuff. It could just talk directly in binary to the computer, find out what's wrong, and fix it in mere minutes. Just make it look like you so you can take credit! << Yeah, but then I'd need to learn the binary language of moisture vaporators to make it work. And who has time for that? >>The android thinks in binary. What security could you possibly come up with to stop the android from making the changes before you even know they are happening? Might as well be trying to out hack a Cylon.<< You haven't seen IBM's bureaucracy. There's no system that could defeat that.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sat Apr 09 21:00:44 'Yeah, but then I'd need to learn the binary language of moisture vaporators to make it work. And who has time for that? ' I guess I just assumed binary was binary. Didn't realize that it could change from system to system. 'You haven't seen IBM's bureaucracy. There's no system that could defeat that. ' Sure there is. Instruct the android to subtly introduce minor inefficiencies into the bureaucracy continuously until it collapses under it's own weight!
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Apr 09 21:05:20 I used to be able to read binary numbers just by looking at them.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sat Apr 09 21:08:52 You should get your eyes checked if you can't. It's easy to read off a bunch of 1's and 0's. No idea what the fuck any of it means though.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 21:09:18 >>I guess I just assumed binary was binary. Didn't realize that it could change from system to system.<< Big endian and little endian for a start. >>Sure there is. Instruct the android to subtly introduce minor inefficiencies into the bureaucracy continuously until it collapses under it's own weight!<< From the looks of things, this has been going on for decades, but it still hasn't happened.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 21:10:27 Granted, that's binary digit order in byte, but still. Also, if I'm to believe Bender's dreams, sometimes there's a two.
chuck Member	Sat Apr 09 21:30:48 Reading binary is easy but slow. Instead of each digit in the number representing 10^n, each digit represents a number 2^n. So 1041 in base 10 represents 110^3 + 010^2 + 410^1 + 110^0 in base 10. And 1101 represents 12^3 + 12^2 + 02^1 + 12^0 in base 2. 8 + 4 + 0 + 1 = 13 in base 10.
chuck Member	Sat Apr 09 22:00:49 The lower a base is, the more digits you need to express a number. In binary the base 10 number 1041 would be 10000010001 for instance - so a 4 digit number vs an 11 digit number. Computers generally operate on chunks of 8 binary digits (or in shortened form, "bits") at a time. These chunks of bits are called bytes. A byte needn't be 8 bits but generally is in all modern computers (though other byte sizes have been used before). It actually becomes a 16 digit number then: 00000100 00010001 Most working programmers today don't have to think about binary ever; they write their programs in nice, friendly languages and then they use some other programs that convert the text they wrote to 1s and 0s. In the olden days if you had to work with binary directly, you typically used a tool that displayed it in hexadecimal (base16). Since it is a higher base, it encodes information much more compactly (and makes it easier for human beans to read). One convenience of the 8-bit byte is that every byte can be represented by 2 base 16 digits. (Aside: to represent numbers greater than 9 in hex, the letters A-F are used. A in base 16 = 10 in base 10, and so on to F = 15) base10: 1041 base02: 00000100 00010001 base16: 04 11 So because 16 is a power of 2, you can convert to and from binary much more simply than you can go base 10. First 4 digits are 0000? That's a zero? Next four are 0100? That's binary for 7 in base 10 (which is also 7 in base 16). Next four are 0001? That's binary for 1. Next four also 0001? Still one. So there you have it - the mental accounting of keeping track of all those ones and zeroes is simple but tedious and error prone so ingenious people have found ways to avoid doing it - even when they ARE doing it.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 22:19:56 >>Most working programmers today don't have to think about binary ever; they write their programs in nice, friendly languages and then they use some other programs that convert the text they wrote to 1s and 0s. << Not quite. Binary/Boolean logic is used extensively. Also, Linux Sysadmins need to think in binary regularly, to say nothing of Network admins. This includes what's probably almost literally the only time Octal is ever used.
chuck Member	Sat Apr 09 22:59:10 "Not quite..[snip]" Simmer down, no need to have an e-peen contest comparing who knows what. I was 'splaining the general case, and in the general case what I said holds. You're better than oneupsmanship, Bob.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 23:04:07 Just being pedantic :P Overall though, yes, you're entirely correct. There are cases where binary is still the most efficient way of portraying things, but those things are only there because it's the most efficient way of portraying it.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 23:06:05 Anyway, my apologies for that. I see how it came across.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sat Apr 09 23:25:42 Im just gonna consider myself lucky that I haven't had to deal with binary. Boolean logic isn't so bad. Not that I an write anything that's really of value anyways.
chuck Member	Sat Apr 09 23:32:10 No worries, just a mode smart people slip into from time to time accidentally.
Camaban The Overseer	Sat Apr 09 23:50:17 I'm currently senior in some undefined way to an Indian team while I wait for another, more interesting project to start. Letting small things slide is lethal. Results get interesting. Plus, I'm naturally pedantic. Also, but not really related: You really, really get what you pay for. Dear Christ.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sun Apr 10 01:21:21 Are you senior enough to force them to eat beef?
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 02:23:25 I'm not senior enough to make them answer a question directly. This being said... No-one is.
State Department Member	Sun Apr 10 02:54:17 Dennis the menace.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 03:15:36 Which version? The awesome British version? Or the American who would probably be the British version's bitch.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Apr 10 04:48:19 cam - Plus, I'm naturally pedantic. I'm truly surprised that you even noticed.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 05:22:12 Some people are capable of being honest when themselves, then there's you. shrugs
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Apr 10 05:27:04 I'm a helluva lot more honest with myself than you will ever be little man.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 05:41:34 It's interesting that you believe this. But not inconsistent with your normal behaviour.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Apr 10 09:39:33 You are the one struggling with building your ego, I don't have to.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 16:59:41 If the only way you're able to defend your hero is to attack what you'd like to believe see my reasons for criticising him, I'm afraid that's your problem. All I can say is that if he's the overblown figure you believe he is, you wouldn't have first tried to find excuses (he'd have been unable to compete) or bother attacking my reasons. The facts stand, whether you like them or not.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Apr 10 17:27:22 I've got you figured out and I feel sorry for you. Sometime you should get in a quiet place and give some serious thought as to why you have those long arguments with TC. It is really quite pathetic.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 18:03:43 No you don't. To either. You're just upset your hero isn't what you'd like him to be. He is, as you were willing to acknowledge for a short time before realising what that meant, only human. A product of his time and class. He is what he is, warts and all. If I were him I'd find it a little insulting that you couldn't accept him for what he was, but felt compelled to create a myth about him.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 18:06:18 This being said, if I were him, I'd take consolation from that you're unable to cope with a nuanced view of anybody. It's all angels or devils.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Apr 10 18:27:49 You sound like a five year old, I can't make heads or tails out of those posts. I've said all I want to say to you except a word of advice. Grow up and stop acting like a school yard bully.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 18:34:07 I'm sorry facts are bullying in your world. You much in common with WtB. Right down to the selective incomprehension.
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Apr 10 20:00:58 Ah, Retard Rod, you really should take a look at your own posts... Retard Rod claims A (A is factually incorrect, while B is correct). Retard Rod belittles anyone who doesn't agree with A. Retard Rod posts evidence meant to support A, but it actually supports B. Retard Rod still doesn't get it and continues to belittle people even though he's wrong. Retard Rod finally realizes what an idiot he is and claims it was due to a "long day."
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sun Apr 10 20:06:01 A long day of what? Rod doesn't even work. He just sits there watching Fox News all day long. Rod was tired out by a long day of doing nothing but leeching welfare and watching TV.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 20:10:09 "As it turns out his slaves were whipped, I assume, when the broke the rules, but you did not know that when you made up your statement. " This bit is a bit similar. Amusing for a few reasons. Firstly, it's his realisation that his slaves were whipped. Secondly, the immediate attempt at justifying it. Look up a whipped slave to see what that was actually like. Thirdly, there's the belief that I didn't know that when I made my statement. HR didn't know it. I did. How did I know it? Because I knew what slave owners, of which Washington was one, during that period were like. How did HR not know it? shrugs Intentional blindness? Inability to cope with historical realities? Inability to cope with great men being human. (To take the extreme, Hitler was a Great Man. Stalin was a Great Man. Augustus was a Great Man. Sulla was a Great Man. Greatness doesn't require niceness.)
Wrath of Orion Member	Sun Apr 10 20:28:11 Well, Retard Rod and reality have never been on speaking terms...
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Apr 10 20:32:44 Has been noted. Also worth noting again, that not 100% knowing something when making a statement is enough to make that statement a lie. Even if it's correct.
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