Utopia Talk / Politics / whitey cries 4 his momma

The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 12:17:15 rofl punkass bitch almost died. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzYPQXORaEc
The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 12:21:00 difficulty level: whitey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtOCGabLdmw
Sam Adams Member	Wed Aug 27 12:32:58 Boxer rebellion: 50,000 whites verse all of china. Result: Easy victory for the whites. Chinese ancestral temples were torched, their army destroyed, their women raped, their country completely conquered.
Dakyron Member	Wed Aug 27 12:34:22 "Chinese ancestral temples were torched, their army destroyed, their women raped, their country completely conquered." This pretty much sums up any conflict between China and any other military force.
The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 12:37:41 vs all of china? rofl wrong. boxer rebellion was only a small rebel group, mostly in coastal cities lol. it was also fist vs rifles the usa fought all of china...in korea, now called korean war. and we all know what happened there rofl.
Dakyron Member	Wed Aug 27 12:39:14 "and we all know what happened there rofl." The Chinese were routed out of South Korea, only to be helped by massive numbers, war fatigue back home, a bitterly cold winter, and a UN brokered cease-fire?
The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 12:40:22 no, u got owned and lost korea. u invades, u were aggressors, and u got justice served.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 12:52:09 Wasn't he supposed to have someone to spot him?
Dakyron Member	Wed Aug 27 12:52:33 http://en....#Comparison_of_military_forces According to the data from the U.S. Department of Defense, the United States suffered 33,686 battle deaths, along with 2,830 non-battle deaths, during the Korean War and 8,176 missing in action.[255] South Korea reported some 373,599 civilian and 137,899 military deaths.[12] Western sources estimate the PVA suffered about 400,000 killed and 486,000 wounded, while the KPA suffered 215,000 killed and 303,000 wounded.[27]" Yeah, justice got served.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Aug 27 12:57:56 rofl, china completely sucks.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 13:03:28 One of the most memorable moments in American Military History was the retreat at The Chosin Reservoir. Or, as Gen. Oliver P. Smith said at the time, "Retreat, hell! We're not retreating, we're just advancing in a different direction."
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 13:09:01 A Marine was asked at Chosin, 'if you could have anything in the world what would it be?' His answer, "Give me tomorrow".
Dakyron Member	Wed Aug 27 13:48:50 Well, the initial US support of SK involved poorly armed divisions with little to no air and naval support, with the pentagon contradicting the general's orders on the ground. Once full air and naval support, plus armor showed up, along with a competent general given sufficient authority, the PKA and chinese were routed.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 13:52:49 Was it the Pentagon or MacArthur contradicting the general's orders on the ground? MacArthur was the theater commander.
Dakyron Member	Wed Aug 27 13:56:00 The Pentagon and Truman.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 14:11:58 I knew that Truman fired MacArthur for making statements he should not have made, but I did not know about his overriding the orders of field commanders. I need to read up on that. Incidentally. there is a book about Chosin titled "Give Me Tomorrow: The Korean War's Greatest Untold Story--The Epic Stand of the Marines of George Company' by Patrick K. O'Donnell. It is an excellent read if you are interested. 'Give Me Tomorrow' for short.
Dakyron Member	Wed Aug 27 14:15:16 The field commander wanted a contingent of marines from japan to invade Korea behind the enemy lines and flank them as they pressed south, but was not allowed to by order of the pentagon/truman.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 14:16:58 Cool, I guess that is where MacArthur got the idea for the attack at Inchon.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 14:19:30 Cool, I guess that is where MacArthur got the idea for the attack at Inchon.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 14:21:29 Oops, sorry.
Rugian Member	Wed Aug 27 14:40:19 "Of even greater significance than our tactical successes has been the clear revelation that this new enemy, Red China, of such exaggerated and vaunted military power, lacks the industrial capability to provide adequately many critical items necessary to the conduct of modern war. He lacks the manufacturing base and those raw materials needed to produce, maintain and operate even moderate air and naval power, and he cannot provide the essentials for successful ground operations, such as tanks, heavy artillery and other refinements science has introduced into the conduct of military campaigns. Formerly his great numerical potential might well have filled this gap but with the development of existing methods of mass destruction numbers alone do not offset the vulnerability inherent in such deficiencies. Control of the seas and the air, which in turn means control over supplies, communications and transportation, are no less essential and decisive now than in the past. When this control exists, as in our case, and is coupled with an inferiority of ground firepower in the enemy's case, the resulting disparity is such that it cannot be overcome by bravery, however fanatical, or the most gross indifference to human loss. These military weaknesses have been clearly and definitely revealed since Red China entered upon its undeclared war in Korea. Even under the inhibitions which now restrict the activity of the United Nations forces and the corresponding military advantages which accrue to Red China, it has been shown its complete inability to accomplish by force of arms the conquest of Korea. The enemy, therefore must by now be painfully aware that a decision of the United Nations to depart from its tolerant effort to contain the war to the area of Korea, through an expansion of our military operations to its coastal areas and interior bases, would doom Red China to the risk of imminent military collapse." pwnt
The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 15:45:43 ""Of even greater significance than our tactical successes has been the clear revelation that this new enemy, Red China, of such exaggerated and vaunted military power, lacks the industrial capability to provide adequately many critical items necessary to the conduct of modern war. He lacks the manufacturing base and those raw materials needed to produce, maintain and operate even moderate air and naval power, and he cannot provide the essentials for successful ground operations, such as tanks, heavy artillery and other refinements science has introduced into the conduct of military campaigns. " >> aye...basically u fought peasant china and we still slaughtered u. some of da stories i read, most chinese footsoldiers didnt even have shoes...some had straw binded together improved as "shoe". only 1 in so many had a rifle, most dated back 2 like ww1. we still pwned ur ass. pwned.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 15:52:25 "In the period between 27 November and 13 December 1950, 30,000[5] United Nations (UN) troops (nicknamed "The Chosin Few") under the command of Major General Edward Almond were encircled by approximately 67,000[7] Chinese troops under the command of Song Shi-Lun. Although Chinese troops managed to surround and outnumber the UN forces, they were able to break out of the encirclement while inflicting crippling losses on the Chinese, allowing them to successfully withdraw in good order." Double Pwned
The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 15:53:57 peasant china vs usa & UN troops from like 100 countries. Peasant china wins. pwned pwned quadrilion pwned.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 16:16:58 So you are telling us that the Chinese leaders used their men as expendable fodder. Interesting.
The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 16:18:34 ya, same way ur country used ur soldiers as expendable fodder. all footsoldiers r pretty much fodder. wake the fck up.
Renzo Marquez Member	Wed Aug 27 16:19:01 TC has been thoroughly Nankinged in this thread.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 16:24:55 Casualties and losses US sources: 1,029 killed 4,894 missing 4,582 wounded 7,338 non-battle casualties[8][b] 15 tank losses[9] Chinese estimation: 13,900[10] Chinese sources: 19,202 battle casualties 28,954 non-battle casualties[10] Unofficial estimations: ~60,000[11][c] UN estimation of Chinese Casualties: 29,800 battle casualties 20,000+ non-battle casualties[12] These stats while the Allied Forces were surrounded and outnumbered more than 2 to 1. The fodder is in the numbers.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 27 16:27:38 And moving cross country in the dead of Winter.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Aug 27 16:28:27 speaking of moving cross country in the dead of winter, when will that fucking slacker GRRM finish book 6?
The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 16:29:14 well chinese peasants have no shoes and still moved in snow heavy korea 2 pwn ur asses. id say u got pwned hard.
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Aug 27 16:43:59 The border ending up more or less where it was, and North Korea ending up an economic disaster that's making money by selling drugs to the Chinese is a victory? If you say so... "Alpha"
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Aug 27 16:47:15 Seriously, with the benefit of hindsight, what has China gained out of what was pissed away during the Korean war?
The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 16:52:12 and what has aussueland gained from middle australia which is complete wasteland.
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Aug 27 16:55:55 Utterly huge amounts of mineral resources. Which we didn't fight a war for... They were just there. But it's nice to see you can't answer a simple question. Again.
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Aug 27 16:56:43 What a fucking retarded comparison. Even by your standards.
The Children Member	Wed Aug 27 17:10:47 ya no wars there, u just killed aboriginals 4 it.
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Aug 27 17:23:30 And lost almost nothing doing so, with a tangible gain I've just been able to describe. I'm not asking about the morality of China getting involved in the Korean war, I'm asking what was gained.
pillz Member	Wed Aug 27 17:28:09 "ya no wars there, u just killed aboriginals 4 it. " Are you trying to help Camaban or what?
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Aug 27 17:37:42 I don't think he's thought past running away from questions without helpful answers.
Camaban The Overseer	Thu Aug 28 06:05:18 Yep, this goes onto the long, long list of shit the person who proudly stated (and was indignant when this was questioned) he runs away from every challenge has run away from.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Sep 01 06:59:46 The Children - >> aye...basically u fought peasant china and we still slaughtered u. Casualties and losses UNITED NATIONS Total: 178,426 dead and 32,925 missing Total wounded: 566,434 NORTH KOREA AND CHINA Total dead: 367,283–750,282 Total wounded: 686,500–789,000 Not much of a slaughter.
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